In what scenario would exosuited workers be more economic than automation?











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In Warlords, my own sci-fi project, I wanted to tap into exosuits, but didn't want them to be one off rich boy toys or just make little to no practical sense. So I'm wondering what industry, if any, could make use of exosuits and have them be cheaper then robotic counterparts (right now I'm thinking maybe mining)?



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  • Warlords is set only 100–150ish years in the future so nothing too crazy.

  • Exosuits are roughly a few feet taller and much bulkier than the average human. They are also powered by small nuclear reactors if energy is a factor.

  • The average "working man suit" gives the user roughly 10x the strength of the average human.










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    This is totally dependent on the detailed cost-benefit analysis of each use case. You'd need to know the dollars and cents of every aspect of a process to answer this. How much to buy ? How much to maintain ? How much to train ? Similar costings for the alternatives and different in every case. Also depends on how valuable you consider human life.
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    I just want to point out that, given the rate of technological invention and the ever increasing computing capability available even to the everyday person, the technology that will be available in 100-150 years, assuming we haven't completely destroyed our civilization in the meantime through any of the many means available to us, will be something very crazy from our point of view.
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  • @Sava I might have to dial it back too 2070ish then (for some of the earth stuff)
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In Warlords, my own sci-fi project, I wanted to tap into exosuits, but didn't want them to be one off rich boy toys or just make little to no practical sense. So I'm wondering what industry, if any, could make use of exosuits and have them be cheaper then robotic counterparts (right now I'm thinking maybe mining)?



Note:




  • Warlords is set only 100–150ish years in the future so nothing too crazy.

  • Exosuits are roughly a few feet taller and much bulkier than the average human. They are also powered by small nuclear reactors if energy is a factor.

  • The average "working man suit" gives the user roughly 10x the strength of the average human.










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    This is totally dependent on the detailed cost-benefit analysis of each use case. You'd need to know the dollars and cents of every aspect of a process to answer this. How much to buy ? How much to maintain ? How much to train ? Similar costings for the alternatives and different in every case. Also depends on how valuable you consider human life.
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    I just want to point out that, given the rate of technological invention and the ever increasing computing capability available even to the everyday person, the technology that will be available in 100-150 years, assuming we haven't completely destroyed our civilization in the meantime through any of the many means available to us, will be something very crazy from our point of view.
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  • @Sava I might have to dial it back too 2070ish then (for some of the earth stuff)
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In Warlords, my own sci-fi project, I wanted to tap into exosuits, but didn't want them to be one off rich boy toys or just make little to no practical sense. So I'm wondering what industry, if any, could make use of exosuits and have them be cheaper then robotic counterparts (right now I'm thinking maybe mining)?



Note:




  • Warlords is set only 100–150ish years in the future so nothing too crazy.

  • Exosuits are roughly a few feet taller and much bulkier than the average human. They are also powered by small nuclear reactors if energy is a factor.

  • The average "working man suit" gives the user roughly 10x the strength of the average human.










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In Warlords, my own sci-fi project, I wanted to tap into exosuits, but didn't want them to be one off rich boy toys or just make little to no practical sense. So I'm wondering what industry, if any, could make use of exosuits and have them be cheaper then robotic counterparts (right now I'm thinking maybe mining)?



Note:




  • Warlords is set only 100–150ish years in the future so nothing too crazy.

  • Exosuits are roughly a few feet taller and much bulkier than the average human. They are also powered by small nuclear reactors if energy is a factor.

  • The average "working man suit" gives the user roughly 10x the strength of the average human.







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    This is totally dependent on the detailed cost-benefit analysis of each use case. You'd need to know the dollars and cents of every aspect of a process to answer this. How much to buy ? How much to maintain ? How much to train ? Similar costings for the alternatives and different in every case. Also depends on how valuable you consider human life.
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    I just want to point out that, given the rate of technological invention and the ever increasing computing capability available even to the everyday person, the technology that will be available in 100-150 years, assuming we haven't completely destroyed our civilization in the meantime through any of the many means available to us, will be something very crazy from our point of view.
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  • @Sava I might have to dial it back too 2070ish then (for some of the earth stuff)
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    This is totally dependent on the detailed cost-benefit analysis of each use case. You'd need to know the dollars and cents of every aspect of a process to answer this. How much to buy ? How much to maintain ? How much to train ? Similar costings for the alternatives and different in every case. Also depends on how valuable you consider human life.
    – StephenG
    Nov 24 at 3:56








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    I just want to point out that, given the rate of technological invention and the ever increasing computing capability available even to the everyday person, the technology that will be available in 100-150 years, assuming we haven't completely destroyed our civilization in the meantime through any of the many means available to us, will be something very crazy from our point of view.
    – Sava
    Nov 24 at 14:10










  • @Sava I might have to dial it back too 2070ish then (for some of the earth stuff)
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This is totally dependent on the detailed cost-benefit analysis of each use case. You'd need to know the dollars and cents of every aspect of a process to answer this. How much to buy ? How much to maintain ? How much to train ? Similar costings for the alternatives and different in every case. Also depends on how valuable you consider human life.
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Nov 24 at 3:56






This is totally dependent on the detailed cost-benefit analysis of each use case. You'd need to know the dollars and cents of every aspect of a process to answer this. How much to buy ? How much to maintain ? How much to train ? Similar costings for the alternatives and different in every case. Also depends on how valuable you consider human life.
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I just want to point out that, given the rate of technological invention and the ever increasing computing capability available even to the everyday person, the technology that will be available in 100-150 years, assuming we haven't completely destroyed our civilization in the meantime through any of the many means available to us, will be something very crazy from our point of view.
– Sava
Nov 24 at 14:10




I just want to point out that, given the rate of technological invention and the ever increasing computing capability available even to the everyday person, the technology that will be available in 100-150 years, assuming we haven't completely destroyed our civilization in the meantime through any of the many means available to us, will be something very crazy from our point of view.
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@Sava I might have to dial it back too 2070ish then (for some of the earth stuff)
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@Sava I might have to dial it back too 2070ish then (for some of the earth stuff)
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Military patrols/population pacification is one obvious example. Autonomous machines cannot be trusted to use guns against human insurgents because one wrong move can cause an embarrassing rebellion and weeks of riots. Human soldiers can use their judgment to decide when to use lethal force. The soldiers need non-lethal weapons as well as lethal weapons, so they need exosuits to carry the extra weight.



Another use for exosuits would be disaster recovery. First responders need to clear out collapsed buildings without injuring unconscious people trapped within. Firefighters need to knock down structures to rescue large adults and still be able to outrun fast-moving wildfires. In a wild, chaotic situation the AI in autonomous rescue robots would not be able to judge who to rescue first, what buildings to save and what to ignore, and whether something is too dangerous to attempt.



Finally, exoskeletons would be very helpful in certain types of manufacturing. Assembling commercial and military aircraft comes to mind. The fuselage is often build first out of metal or carbon fibre in a separate facility and then shipped to a large factory for final assembly. Human factory workers use robotic arms and sensors to attach fuel, hydraulic, and electrical systems to every part of the wings and fuselage, but they must clamber up and down ladders and platforms to reach every part of the unfinished plane. An exoskeleton with extendable arms and legs could help workers complete their jobs much faster and with greater precision.






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    I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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  • Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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Mining is a good guess, and so is construction.
Moving through a complex environment, dealing with unexpected circumstances, picking up and moving or using wide variety of tools and materials. All these tasks are very hard for robots. Robots can do well defined tasks like mining out a defined ore seam, or building walls on top of a foundation, but defining the seam and laying the foundation requires humans.



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    Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
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Demolition, artists, craftsmen.



Demolition and some construction, demolition is inherently unpredictable, everytime you move something you have to reevaluate the stability and even value of the surroundings and debris. By definition demolition is often very unpredictable, you don't know what is behind the walls of a building And increasingly building materials are recycled which you want a human for.



"those are nice logs we can reuse those, but those are rotten, wait those fittings are cast iron we can get some money for those! Careful that wall looks unstable!"



Construction will see some use, especially where aesthetics are important. A robot will not understand that a seam is ugly or that the planner forgot to account for some fixture being moved. However a large part of the process will be done by robots. Consider how many modern homes are built in factories as modular units.



Similarly exoskeletons will see wide use in anything in which artistry/aesthetics is important, You want a human placing your statues or doing landscaping, but a robot is probably fine for excavation.



Small scale businesses will see exoskeletons over robots, a mom and pop sawmill will have exoskeletons because they are doing mostly custom work often with odd shaped pieces, a large factory sawmill on the other hand will be all robots. Likewise a auto factory will be all robotinc, but a custom car shop will have an exoskeleton.



Mining on the other hand will be nothing but robots, sans a few planners/managers. It already has extensive uses of robots and for the jobs in mining for which humans are needed, adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job, they aren't doing any lifting. The exception again will be small scale custom stone cutting, like sculptors or custom cutters.






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    Construction seems like the primary use case to me.



    First, automata are generally not very good at improvising or thinking on their feet. They could follow a blueprint, but blueprints are rarely 100% accurate to the actual structure that ends up being built, because they rarely account for absolutely everything. Parts arrive that aren't compatible, the ground settles in a strange way, cables need to be run in the wrong order - these things happen, and humans are flexible enough to cope with them, but automata aren't. They would need either a human guide to make corrections on-site, or constantly-updated blueprints, both of which would defeat the speed and cost benefits of automation.



    Second, automata aren't in a good position to judge how the building will be used. A human who's working on a construction site can visualize how the building is coming together and how it will be used. They can walk through to decide if a doorway is placed properly, or if there's adequate lighting, and make corrections if there are problems. Automata can't because they can't judge what humans will think of it when it's done.



    Third, automata can be a security risk. If a prankster (or a criminal, or a hostile government's agent) makes a correction on a blueprint, a human can double-check it before acting on it. Automata don't necessarily have that capacity. They could also themselves be compromised, requiring additional routines for physical and electronic security that human workers would not be subject to. It's certainly possible to achieve secure automata, but it would be expensive, possibly more expensive than simply hiring living workers.






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      Where at least the following apply, somewhat following upon Bald Bear's answer:



      Complex novel/unanticipated situations can be expected to occur, even rarely.



      Tasks occuring under highly varying conditions, where compensation strategies are not easy to automate.



      Any tasks not comprehensively & reliably addressed via script.



      Short of advanced AI, robots are best used for rote tasks or remotely guided.



      EDIT: As HMI sophistication evolves, especially including sensory input, the utility of remote bots increases significantly. This probably happens more readily than AI evolution, since the technological hurdles are far less difficult, less expensive to develop.






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        I've been a firefighter for over 30 years. A working, reliable, exosuit would be a godsend.



        Automation really can't do the job (and until you have full AI, can't) due to the variable nature of what first responders do; you might need to perform CPR on an infant and then an hour later are ripping apart a car to get at the occupant after a crash and the hour after that searching a smoke-filled building looking for survivors in the middle of a structural fire. While theoretically telepresence could do it, people don't become first responders to sit in an office.






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          Robots are better unless humans are disposable



          Remote control



          There's no need for an embedded human. See the following:




          Remote surgery



          When Mehran Anvari picks up a surgical instrument and cuts into
          somebody’s flesh, he doesn’t use his own hands. In fact, he’s not even
          in the room. He operates on patients that are 400 kilometres away.
          http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140516-i-operate-on-people-400km-away




          The robots can be left to get on with anything their neural nets can cope with. Humans work from their office acting acting as supervisors. They use VR glasses and sensors to sense the environment from the robot's point of view.



          This works especially well in mines and other hazardous places unless of course you have disposable human slaves. The 'manufacturing cost' of a human being then has to be compared with the cost to provide an electronic brain.






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            Idk what 'Warlords' is, but assuming it's some technoverse where technology has bizarrely only improved in one or two fields and those only in being able to present what is capable today more readily plus some weapons technology..actually.. not assuming that, coz it could have any number of odd precepts =)



            Mining where?
            Machines can be built to operate under constant environmental constraints that people just won't (normally) put up with(that is to say, they will want to get out of those suits) which means you need a living environment, habitat for them, vacations if nothing else.



            The only real reason to use people for anything in the long term, is because people will(want) to do it, not because it's 'cheaper.'



            Fact is that even today a significant proportion of human industry is redundant (99% of advertising spending is spent trying to attract consumers to one particular variation on a product or service of many that can do that job, for example)



            At some point, hopefully long before a century and a half has passed, the general comprehension of 'economy' will reorient to "those mechanisms of exchange whereby things that need doing get done" as opposed to "i have to justify my existence to society so i must convince it it needs something doing" at which point...



            Pretty much any argument other than habitation provision, workforce replenishment, mission duration, transport costs & h&s can quite readily be answered with 'whatever a robot can do, a human with robotic support can do also.'



            But tele-operation is a thing, and realistically it's much easier to build a single partial rig and a transmitter than it is to maintain conditions suitable for people on-site.



            What you said about 'nothing too crazy.' 150 years ago radio communication did not exist, farming was manual labor, modifying the human form was all about surgery and breeding programs, in 25 mankind will be able to reliably synthesise biogenesis...



            Question is really, in 150 years will humanities loftiest ambition to be to sit in a tele-op rig? Or to alter itself so that it can do those things it's products would otherwise do better.






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            • I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
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            AI is good and getting better by the day. If there are power packs capable of automating a human exo-suit they would work even better for Autonomous Mobile robots. Any task a human could do can be done quicker, to a higher precision, and with greater precision.



            Three possibilities:




            1. AI has been outlawed, or prohibited by powerful socio/economic players. Be they government/labour unions/religions/companies/etc...

            2. AI does not want to dig in the dirt, let the humans do that. They even seem to enjoy it.

            3. The materials for constructing exo-suits are common, the materials for constructing suitable AI's are not. Some applications will have robots, but there is a greater need then availability.






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              Military patrols/population pacification is one obvious example. Autonomous machines cannot be trusted to use guns against human insurgents because one wrong move can cause an embarrassing rebellion and weeks of riots. Human soldiers can use their judgment to decide when to use lethal force. The soldiers need non-lethal weapons as well as lethal weapons, so they need exosuits to carry the extra weight.



              Another use for exosuits would be disaster recovery. First responders need to clear out collapsed buildings without injuring unconscious people trapped within. Firefighters need to knock down structures to rescue large adults and still be able to outrun fast-moving wildfires. In a wild, chaotic situation the AI in autonomous rescue robots would not be able to judge who to rescue first, what buildings to save and what to ignore, and whether something is too dangerous to attempt.



              Finally, exoskeletons would be very helpful in certain types of manufacturing. Assembling commercial and military aircraft comes to mind. The fuselage is often build first out of metal or carbon fibre in a separate facility and then shipped to a large factory for final assembly. Human factory workers use robotic arms and sensors to attach fuel, hydraulic, and electrical systems to every part of the wings and fuselage, but they must clamber up and down ladders and platforms to reach every part of the unfinished plane. An exoskeleton with extendable arms and legs could help workers complete their jobs much faster and with greater precision.






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                I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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              • Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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              • This answer begs the question: if AI cant make the decision in a fast paced environment but can execute the commands, why wouldnt you remote control the bots? The operator puts in what the bot needs to do and the bot executes
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              Military patrols/population pacification is one obvious example. Autonomous machines cannot be trusted to use guns against human insurgents because one wrong move can cause an embarrassing rebellion and weeks of riots. Human soldiers can use their judgment to decide when to use lethal force. The soldiers need non-lethal weapons as well as lethal weapons, so they need exosuits to carry the extra weight.



              Another use for exosuits would be disaster recovery. First responders need to clear out collapsed buildings without injuring unconscious people trapped within. Firefighters need to knock down structures to rescue large adults and still be able to outrun fast-moving wildfires. In a wild, chaotic situation the AI in autonomous rescue robots would not be able to judge who to rescue first, what buildings to save and what to ignore, and whether something is too dangerous to attempt.



              Finally, exoskeletons would be very helpful in certain types of manufacturing. Assembling commercial and military aircraft comes to mind. The fuselage is often build first out of metal or carbon fibre in a separate facility and then shipped to a large factory for final assembly. Human factory workers use robotic arms and sensors to attach fuel, hydraulic, and electrical systems to every part of the wings and fuselage, but they must clamber up and down ladders and platforms to reach every part of the unfinished plane. An exoskeleton with extendable arms and legs could help workers complete their jobs much faster and with greater precision.






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                I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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              • Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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              • This answer begs the question: if AI cant make the decision in a fast paced environment but can execute the commands, why wouldnt you remote control the bots? The operator puts in what the bot needs to do and the bot executes
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              Military patrols/population pacification is one obvious example. Autonomous machines cannot be trusted to use guns against human insurgents because one wrong move can cause an embarrassing rebellion and weeks of riots. Human soldiers can use their judgment to decide when to use lethal force. The soldiers need non-lethal weapons as well as lethal weapons, so they need exosuits to carry the extra weight.



              Another use for exosuits would be disaster recovery. First responders need to clear out collapsed buildings without injuring unconscious people trapped within. Firefighters need to knock down structures to rescue large adults and still be able to outrun fast-moving wildfires. In a wild, chaotic situation the AI in autonomous rescue robots would not be able to judge who to rescue first, what buildings to save and what to ignore, and whether something is too dangerous to attempt.



              Finally, exoskeletons would be very helpful in certain types of manufacturing. Assembling commercial and military aircraft comes to mind. The fuselage is often build first out of metal or carbon fibre in a separate facility and then shipped to a large factory for final assembly. Human factory workers use robotic arms and sensors to attach fuel, hydraulic, and electrical systems to every part of the wings and fuselage, but they must clamber up and down ladders and platforms to reach every part of the unfinished plane. An exoskeleton with extendable arms and legs could help workers complete their jobs much faster and with greater precision.






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              Military patrols/population pacification is one obvious example. Autonomous machines cannot be trusted to use guns against human insurgents because one wrong move can cause an embarrassing rebellion and weeks of riots. Human soldiers can use their judgment to decide when to use lethal force. The soldiers need non-lethal weapons as well as lethal weapons, so they need exosuits to carry the extra weight.



              Another use for exosuits would be disaster recovery. First responders need to clear out collapsed buildings without injuring unconscious people trapped within. Firefighters need to knock down structures to rescue large adults and still be able to outrun fast-moving wildfires. In a wild, chaotic situation the AI in autonomous rescue robots would not be able to judge who to rescue first, what buildings to save and what to ignore, and whether something is too dangerous to attempt.



              Finally, exoskeletons would be very helpful in certain types of manufacturing. Assembling commercial and military aircraft comes to mind. The fuselage is often build first out of metal or carbon fibre in a separate facility and then shipped to a large factory for final assembly. Human factory workers use robotic arms and sensors to attach fuel, hydraulic, and electrical systems to every part of the wings and fuselage, but they must clamber up and down ladders and platforms to reach every part of the unfinished plane. An exoskeleton with extendable arms and legs could help workers complete their jobs much faster and with greater precision.







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                I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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              • Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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              • This answer begs the question: if AI cant make the decision in a fast paced environment but can execute the commands, why wouldnt you remote control the bots? The operator puts in what the bot needs to do and the bot executes
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                I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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                Nov 24 at 4:56










              • Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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              • This answer begs the question: if AI cant make the decision in a fast paced environment but can execute the commands, why wouldnt you remote control the bots? The operator puts in what the bot needs to do and the bot executes
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              I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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              I really like this answer (the others are still really good though!) Lots of jobs that i can have exosuits be used.
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              Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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              Why would you ever trust human soldiers and their judgment if you can have robots who won't make mistakes?
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              This answer begs the question: if AI cant make the decision in a fast paced environment but can execute the commands, why wouldnt you remote control the bots? The operator puts in what the bot needs to do and the bot executes
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              This answer begs the question: if AI cant make the decision in a fast paced environment but can execute the commands, why wouldnt you remote control the bots? The operator puts in what the bot needs to do and the bot executes
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              Mining is a good guess, and so is construction.
              Moving through a complex environment, dealing with unexpected circumstances, picking up and moving or using wide variety of tools and materials. All these tasks are very hard for robots. Robots can do well defined tasks like mining out a defined ore seam, or building walls on top of a foundation, but defining the seam and laying the foundation requires humans.



              Also, repairing the robots, especially after they crash into something






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                Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
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              Mining is a good guess, and so is construction.
              Moving through a complex environment, dealing with unexpected circumstances, picking up and moving or using wide variety of tools and materials. All these tasks are very hard for robots. Robots can do well defined tasks like mining out a defined ore seam, or building walls on top of a foundation, but defining the seam and laying the foundation requires humans.



              Also, repairing the robots, especially after they crash into something






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                Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
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              Mining is a good guess, and so is construction.
              Moving through a complex environment, dealing with unexpected circumstances, picking up and moving or using wide variety of tools and materials. All these tasks are very hard for robots. Robots can do well defined tasks like mining out a defined ore seam, or building walls on top of a foundation, but defining the seam and laying the foundation requires humans.



              Also, repairing the robots, especially after they crash into something






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              Mining is a good guess, and so is construction.
              Moving through a complex environment, dealing with unexpected circumstances, picking up and moving or using wide variety of tools and materials. All these tasks are very hard for robots. Robots can do well defined tasks like mining out a defined ore seam, or building walls on top of a foundation, but defining the seam and laying the foundation requires humans.



              Also, repairing the robots, especially after they crash into something







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                Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
                – John
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                Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
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              Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
              – John
              Nov 24 at 17:20




              Mining is already extensively automated, For the jobs in mining for which humans are needed,adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job.
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              Demolition, artists, craftsmen.



              Demolition and some construction, demolition is inherently unpredictable, everytime you move something you have to reevaluate the stability and even value of the surroundings and debris. By definition demolition is often very unpredictable, you don't know what is behind the walls of a building And increasingly building materials are recycled which you want a human for.



              "those are nice logs we can reuse those, but those are rotten, wait those fittings are cast iron we can get some money for those! Careful that wall looks unstable!"



              Construction will see some use, especially where aesthetics are important. A robot will not understand that a seam is ugly or that the planner forgot to account for some fixture being moved. However a large part of the process will be done by robots. Consider how many modern homes are built in factories as modular units.



              Similarly exoskeletons will see wide use in anything in which artistry/aesthetics is important, You want a human placing your statues or doing landscaping, but a robot is probably fine for excavation.



              Small scale businesses will see exoskeletons over robots, a mom and pop sawmill will have exoskeletons because they are doing mostly custom work often with odd shaped pieces, a large factory sawmill on the other hand will be all robots. Likewise a auto factory will be all robotinc, but a custom car shop will have an exoskeleton.



              Mining on the other hand will be nothing but robots, sans a few planners/managers. It already has extensive uses of robots and for the jobs in mining for which humans are needed, adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job, they aren't doing any lifting. The exception again will be small scale custom stone cutting, like sculptors or custom cutters.






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                Demolition, artists, craftsmen.



                Demolition and some construction, demolition is inherently unpredictable, everytime you move something you have to reevaluate the stability and even value of the surroundings and debris. By definition demolition is often very unpredictable, you don't know what is behind the walls of a building And increasingly building materials are recycled which you want a human for.



                "those are nice logs we can reuse those, but those are rotten, wait those fittings are cast iron we can get some money for those! Careful that wall looks unstable!"



                Construction will see some use, especially where aesthetics are important. A robot will not understand that a seam is ugly or that the planner forgot to account for some fixture being moved. However a large part of the process will be done by robots. Consider how many modern homes are built in factories as modular units.



                Similarly exoskeletons will see wide use in anything in which artistry/aesthetics is important, You want a human placing your statues or doing landscaping, but a robot is probably fine for excavation.



                Small scale businesses will see exoskeletons over robots, a mom and pop sawmill will have exoskeletons because they are doing mostly custom work often with odd shaped pieces, a large factory sawmill on the other hand will be all robots. Likewise a auto factory will be all robotinc, but a custom car shop will have an exoskeleton.



                Mining on the other hand will be nothing but robots, sans a few planners/managers. It already has extensive uses of robots and for the jobs in mining for which humans are needed, adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job, they aren't doing any lifting. The exception again will be small scale custom stone cutting, like sculptors or custom cutters.






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                  Demolition, artists, craftsmen.



                  Demolition and some construction, demolition is inherently unpredictable, everytime you move something you have to reevaluate the stability and even value of the surroundings and debris. By definition demolition is often very unpredictable, you don't know what is behind the walls of a building And increasingly building materials are recycled which you want a human for.



                  "those are nice logs we can reuse those, but those are rotten, wait those fittings are cast iron we can get some money for those! Careful that wall looks unstable!"



                  Construction will see some use, especially where aesthetics are important. A robot will not understand that a seam is ugly or that the planner forgot to account for some fixture being moved. However a large part of the process will be done by robots. Consider how many modern homes are built in factories as modular units.



                  Similarly exoskeletons will see wide use in anything in which artistry/aesthetics is important, You want a human placing your statues or doing landscaping, but a robot is probably fine for excavation.



                  Small scale businesses will see exoskeletons over robots, a mom and pop sawmill will have exoskeletons because they are doing mostly custom work often with odd shaped pieces, a large factory sawmill on the other hand will be all robots. Likewise a auto factory will be all robotinc, but a custom car shop will have an exoskeleton.



                  Mining on the other hand will be nothing but robots, sans a few planners/managers. It already has extensive uses of robots and for the jobs in mining for which humans are needed, adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job, they aren't doing any lifting. The exception again will be small scale custom stone cutting, like sculptors or custom cutters.






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                  Demolition, artists, craftsmen.



                  Demolition and some construction, demolition is inherently unpredictable, everytime you move something you have to reevaluate the stability and even value of the surroundings and debris. By definition demolition is often very unpredictable, you don't know what is behind the walls of a building And increasingly building materials are recycled which you want a human for.



                  "those are nice logs we can reuse those, but those are rotten, wait those fittings are cast iron we can get some money for those! Careful that wall looks unstable!"



                  Construction will see some use, especially where aesthetics are important. A robot will not understand that a seam is ugly or that the planner forgot to account for some fixture being moved. However a large part of the process will be done by robots. Consider how many modern homes are built in factories as modular units.



                  Similarly exoskeletons will see wide use in anything in which artistry/aesthetics is important, You want a human placing your statues or doing landscaping, but a robot is probably fine for excavation.



                  Small scale businesses will see exoskeletons over robots, a mom and pop sawmill will have exoskeletons because they are doing mostly custom work often with odd shaped pieces, a large factory sawmill on the other hand will be all robots. Likewise a auto factory will be all robotinc, but a custom car shop will have an exoskeleton.



                  Mining on the other hand will be nothing but robots, sans a few planners/managers. It already has extensive uses of robots and for the jobs in mining for which humans are needed, adding an exoskeleton will not help with the job, they aren't doing any lifting. The exception again will be small scale custom stone cutting, like sculptors or custom cutters.







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                  John

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                      Construction seems like the primary use case to me.



                      First, automata are generally not very good at improvising or thinking on their feet. They could follow a blueprint, but blueprints are rarely 100% accurate to the actual structure that ends up being built, because they rarely account for absolutely everything. Parts arrive that aren't compatible, the ground settles in a strange way, cables need to be run in the wrong order - these things happen, and humans are flexible enough to cope with them, but automata aren't. They would need either a human guide to make corrections on-site, or constantly-updated blueprints, both of which would defeat the speed and cost benefits of automation.



                      Second, automata aren't in a good position to judge how the building will be used. A human who's working on a construction site can visualize how the building is coming together and how it will be used. They can walk through to decide if a doorway is placed properly, or if there's adequate lighting, and make corrections if there are problems. Automata can't because they can't judge what humans will think of it when it's done.



                      Third, automata can be a security risk. If a prankster (or a criminal, or a hostile government's agent) makes a correction on a blueprint, a human can double-check it before acting on it. Automata don't necessarily have that capacity. They could also themselves be compromised, requiring additional routines for physical and electronic security that human workers would not be subject to. It's certainly possible to achieve secure automata, but it would be expensive, possibly more expensive than simply hiring living workers.






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                        Construction seems like the primary use case to me.



                        First, automata are generally not very good at improvising or thinking on their feet. They could follow a blueprint, but blueprints are rarely 100% accurate to the actual structure that ends up being built, because they rarely account for absolutely everything. Parts arrive that aren't compatible, the ground settles in a strange way, cables need to be run in the wrong order - these things happen, and humans are flexible enough to cope with them, but automata aren't. They would need either a human guide to make corrections on-site, or constantly-updated blueprints, both of which would defeat the speed and cost benefits of automation.



                        Second, automata aren't in a good position to judge how the building will be used. A human who's working on a construction site can visualize how the building is coming together and how it will be used. They can walk through to decide if a doorway is placed properly, or if there's adequate lighting, and make corrections if there are problems. Automata can't because they can't judge what humans will think of it when it's done.



                        Third, automata can be a security risk. If a prankster (or a criminal, or a hostile government's agent) makes a correction on a blueprint, a human can double-check it before acting on it. Automata don't necessarily have that capacity. They could also themselves be compromised, requiring additional routines for physical and electronic security that human workers would not be subject to. It's certainly possible to achieve secure automata, but it would be expensive, possibly more expensive than simply hiring living workers.






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                          Construction seems like the primary use case to me.



                          First, automata are generally not very good at improvising or thinking on their feet. They could follow a blueprint, but blueprints are rarely 100% accurate to the actual structure that ends up being built, because they rarely account for absolutely everything. Parts arrive that aren't compatible, the ground settles in a strange way, cables need to be run in the wrong order - these things happen, and humans are flexible enough to cope with them, but automata aren't. They would need either a human guide to make corrections on-site, or constantly-updated blueprints, both of which would defeat the speed and cost benefits of automation.



                          Second, automata aren't in a good position to judge how the building will be used. A human who's working on a construction site can visualize how the building is coming together and how it will be used. They can walk through to decide if a doorway is placed properly, or if there's adequate lighting, and make corrections if there are problems. Automata can't because they can't judge what humans will think of it when it's done.



                          Third, automata can be a security risk. If a prankster (or a criminal, or a hostile government's agent) makes a correction on a blueprint, a human can double-check it before acting on it. Automata don't necessarily have that capacity. They could also themselves be compromised, requiring additional routines for physical and electronic security that human workers would not be subject to. It's certainly possible to achieve secure automata, but it would be expensive, possibly more expensive than simply hiring living workers.






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                          Construction seems like the primary use case to me.



                          First, automata are generally not very good at improvising or thinking on their feet. They could follow a blueprint, but blueprints are rarely 100% accurate to the actual structure that ends up being built, because they rarely account for absolutely everything. Parts arrive that aren't compatible, the ground settles in a strange way, cables need to be run in the wrong order - these things happen, and humans are flexible enough to cope with them, but automata aren't. They would need either a human guide to make corrections on-site, or constantly-updated blueprints, both of which would defeat the speed and cost benefits of automation.



                          Second, automata aren't in a good position to judge how the building will be used. A human who's working on a construction site can visualize how the building is coming together and how it will be used. They can walk through to decide if a doorway is placed properly, or if there's adequate lighting, and make corrections if there are problems. Automata can't because they can't judge what humans will think of it when it's done.



                          Third, automata can be a security risk. If a prankster (or a criminal, or a hostile government's agent) makes a correction on a blueprint, a human can double-check it before acting on it. Automata don't necessarily have that capacity. They could also themselves be compromised, requiring additional routines for physical and electronic security that human workers would not be subject to. It's certainly possible to achieve secure automata, but it would be expensive, possibly more expensive than simply hiring living workers.







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                          Cadence

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                              Where at least the following apply, somewhat following upon Bald Bear's answer:



                              Complex novel/unanticipated situations can be expected to occur, even rarely.



                              Tasks occuring under highly varying conditions, where compensation strategies are not easy to automate.



                              Any tasks not comprehensively & reliably addressed via script.



                              Short of advanced AI, robots are best used for rote tasks or remotely guided.



                              EDIT: As HMI sophistication evolves, especially including sensory input, the utility of remote bots increases significantly. This probably happens more readily than AI evolution, since the technological hurdles are far less difficult, less expensive to develop.






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                                Where at least the following apply, somewhat following upon Bald Bear's answer:



                                Complex novel/unanticipated situations can be expected to occur, even rarely.



                                Tasks occuring under highly varying conditions, where compensation strategies are not easy to automate.



                                Any tasks not comprehensively & reliably addressed via script.



                                Short of advanced AI, robots are best used for rote tasks or remotely guided.



                                EDIT: As HMI sophistication evolves, especially including sensory input, the utility of remote bots increases significantly. This probably happens more readily than AI evolution, since the technological hurdles are far less difficult, less expensive to develop.






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                                  Where at least the following apply, somewhat following upon Bald Bear's answer:



                                  Complex novel/unanticipated situations can be expected to occur, even rarely.



                                  Tasks occuring under highly varying conditions, where compensation strategies are not easy to automate.



                                  Any tasks not comprehensively & reliably addressed via script.



                                  Short of advanced AI, robots are best used for rote tasks or remotely guided.



                                  EDIT: As HMI sophistication evolves, especially including sensory input, the utility of remote bots increases significantly. This probably happens more readily than AI evolution, since the technological hurdles are far less difficult, less expensive to develop.






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                                  Where at least the following apply, somewhat following upon Bald Bear's answer:



                                  Complex novel/unanticipated situations can be expected to occur, even rarely.



                                  Tasks occuring under highly varying conditions, where compensation strategies are not easy to automate.



                                  Any tasks not comprehensively & reliably addressed via script.



                                  Short of advanced AI, robots are best used for rote tasks or remotely guided.



                                  EDIT: As HMI sophistication evolves, especially including sensory input, the utility of remote bots increases significantly. This probably happens more readily than AI evolution, since the technological hurdles are far less difficult, less expensive to develop.







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                                      I've been a firefighter for over 30 years. A working, reliable, exosuit would be a godsend.



                                      Automation really can't do the job (and until you have full AI, can't) due to the variable nature of what first responders do; you might need to perform CPR on an infant and then an hour later are ripping apart a car to get at the occupant after a crash and the hour after that searching a smoke-filled building looking for survivors in the middle of a structural fire. While theoretically telepresence could do it, people don't become first responders to sit in an office.






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                                        I've been a firefighter for over 30 years. A working, reliable, exosuit would be a godsend.



                                        Automation really can't do the job (and until you have full AI, can't) due to the variable nature of what first responders do; you might need to perform CPR on an infant and then an hour later are ripping apart a car to get at the occupant after a crash and the hour after that searching a smoke-filled building looking for survivors in the middle of a structural fire. While theoretically telepresence could do it, people don't become first responders to sit in an office.






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                                          I've been a firefighter for over 30 years. A working, reliable, exosuit would be a godsend.



                                          Automation really can't do the job (and until you have full AI, can't) due to the variable nature of what first responders do; you might need to perform CPR on an infant and then an hour later are ripping apart a car to get at the occupant after a crash and the hour after that searching a smoke-filled building looking for survivors in the middle of a structural fire. While theoretically telepresence could do it, people don't become first responders to sit in an office.






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                                          I've been a firefighter for over 30 years. A working, reliable, exosuit would be a godsend.



                                          Automation really can't do the job (and until you have full AI, can't) due to the variable nature of what first responders do; you might need to perform CPR on an infant and then an hour later are ripping apart a car to get at the occupant after a crash and the hour after that searching a smoke-filled building looking for survivors in the middle of a structural fire. While theoretically telepresence could do it, people don't become first responders to sit in an office.







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                                          Keith Morrison

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                                              Robots are better unless humans are disposable



                                              Remote control



                                              There's no need for an embedded human. See the following:




                                              Remote surgery



                                              When Mehran Anvari picks up a surgical instrument and cuts into
                                              somebody’s flesh, he doesn’t use his own hands. In fact, he’s not even
                                              in the room. He operates on patients that are 400 kilometres away.
                                              http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140516-i-operate-on-people-400km-away




                                              The robots can be left to get on with anything their neural nets can cope with. Humans work from their office acting acting as supervisors. They use VR glasses and sensors to sense the environment from the robot's point of view.



                                              This works especially well in mines and other hazardous places unless of course you have disposable human slaves. The 'manufacturing cost' of a human being then has to be compared with the cost to provide an electronic brain.






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                                                Robots are better unless humans are disposable



                                                Remote control



                                                There's no need for an embedded human. See the following:




                                                Remote surgery



                                                When Mehran Anvari picks up a surgical instrument and cuts into
                                                somebody’s flesh, he doesn’t use his own hands. In fact, he’s not even
                                                in the room. He operates on patients that are 400 kilometres away.
                                                http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140516-i-operate-on-people-400km-away




                                                The robots can be left to get on with anything their neural nets can cope with. Humans work from their office acting acting as supervisors. They use VR glasses and sensors to sense the environment from the robot's point of view.



                                                This works especially well in mines and other hazardous places unless of course you have disposable human slaves. The 'manufacturing cost' of a human being then has to be compared with the cost to provide an electronic brain.






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                                                  up vote
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                                                  Robots are better unless humans are disposable



                                                  Remote control



                                                  There's no need for an embedded human. See the following:




                                                  Remote surgery



                                                  When Mehran Anvari picks up a surgical instrument and cuts into
                                                  somebody’s flesh, he doesn’t use his own hands. In fact, he’s not even
                                                  in the room. He operates on patients that are 400 kilometres away.
                                                  http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140516-i-operate-on-people-400km-away




                                                  The robots can be left to get on with anything their neural nets can cope with. Humans work from their office acting acting as supervisors. They use VR glasses and sensors to sense the environment from the robot's point of view.



                                                  This works especially well in mines and other hazardous places unless of course you have disposable human slaves. The 'manufacturing cost' of a human being then has to be compared with the cost to provide an electronic brain.






                                                  share|improve this answer












                                                  Robots are better unless humans are disposable



                                                  Remote control



                                                  There's no need for an embedded human. See the following:




                                                  Remote surgery



                                                  When Mehran Anvari picks up a surgical instrument and cuts into
                                                  somebody’s flesh, he doesn’t use his own hands. In fact, he’s not even
                                                  in the room. He operates on patients that are 400 kilometres away.
                                                  http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140516-i-operate-on-people-400km-away




                                                  The robots can be left to get on with anything their neural nets can cope with. Humans work from their office acting acting as supervisors. They use VR glasses and sensors to sense the environment from the robot's point of view.



                                                  This works especially well in mines and other hazardous places unless of course you have disposable human slaves. The 'manufacturing cost' of a human being then has to be compared with the cost to provide an electronic brain.







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                                                  chasly from UK

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                                                      Idk what 'Warlords' is, but assuming it's some technoverse where technology has bizarrely only improved in one or two fields and those only in being able to present what is capable today more readily plus some weapons technology..actually.. not assuming that, coz it could have any number of odd precepts =)



                                                      Mining where?
                                                      Machines can be built to operate under constant environmental constraints that people just won't (normally) put up with(that is to say, they will want to get out of those suits) which means you need a living environment, habitat for them, vacations if nothing else.



                                                      The only real reason to use people for anything in the long term, is because people will(want) to do it, not because it's 'cheaper.'



                                                      Fact is that even today a significant proportion of human industry is redundant (99% of advertising spending is spent trying to attract consumers to one particular variation on a product or service of many that can do that job, for example)



                                                      At some point, hopefully long before a century and a half has passed, the general comprehension of 'economy' will reorient to "those mechanisms of exchange whereby things that need doing get done" as opposed to "i have to justify my existence to society so i must convince it it needs something doing" at which point...



                                                      Pretty much any argument other than habitation provision, workforce replenishment, mission duration, transport costs & h&s can quite readily be answered with 'whatever a robot can do, a human with robotic support can do also.'



                                                      But tele-operation is a thing, and realistically it's much easier to build a single partial rig and a transmitter than it is to maintain conditions suitable for people on-site.



                                                      What you said about 'nothing too crazy.' 150 years ago radio communication did not exist, farming was manual labor, modifying the human form was all about surgery and breeding programs, in 25 mankind will be able to reliably synthesise biogenesis...



                                                      Question is really, in 150 years will humanities loftiest ambition to be to sit in a tele-op rig? Or to alter itself so that it can do those things it's products would otherwise do better.






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                                                      • Warlords is my own sci-fi project
                                                        – Celestial Dragon Emperor
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                                                      • I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
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                                                      • I'll just have to make a new room I guess, XD
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                                                      Idk what 'Warlords' is, but assuming it's some technoverse where technology has bizarrely only improved in one or two fields and those only in being able to present what is capable today more readily plus some weapons technology..actually.. not assuming that, coz it could have any number of odd precepts =)



                                                      Mining where?
                                                      Machines can be built to operate under constant environmental constraints that people just won't (normally) put up with(that is to say, they will want to get out of those suits) which means you need a living environment, habitat for them, vacations if nothing else.



                                                      The only real reason to use people for anything in the long term, is because people will(want) to do it, not because it's 'cheaper.'



                                                      Fact is that even today a significant proportion of human industry is redundant (99% of advertising spending is spent trying to attract consumers to one particular variation on a product or service of many that can do that job, for example)



                                                      At some point, hopefully long before a century and a half has passed, the general comprehension of 'economy' will reorient to "those mechanisms of exchange whereby things that need doing get done" as opposed to "i have to justify my existence to society so i must convince it it needs something doing" at which point...



                                                      Pretty much any argument other than habitation provision, workforce replenishment, mission duration, transport costs & h&s can quite readily be answered with 'whatever a robot can do, a human with robotic support can do also.'



                                                      But tele-operation is a thing, and realistically it's much easier to build a single partial rig and a transmitter than it is to maintain conditions suitable for people on-site.



                                                      What you said about 'nothing too crazy.' 150 years ago radio communication did not exist, farming was manual labor, modifying the human form was all about surgery and breeding programs, in 25 mankind will be able to reliably synthesise biogenesis...



                                                      Question is really, in 150 years will humanities loftiest ambition to be to sit in a tele-op rig? Or to alter itself so that it can do those things it's products would otherwise do better.






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                                                      • Warlords is my own sci-fi project
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                                                      • I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
                                                        – Giu Piete
                                                        Nov 24 at 2:33












                                                      • I'll just have to make a new room I guess, XD
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                                                      Idk what 'Warlords' is, but assuming it's some technoverse where technology has bizarrely only improved in one or two fields and those only in being able to present what is capable today more readily plus some weapons technology..actually.. not assuming that, coz it could have any number of odd precepts =)



                                                      Mining where?
                                                      Machines can be built to operate under constant environmental constraints that people just won't (normally) put up with(that is to say, they will want to get out of those suits) which means you need a living environment, habitat for them, vacations if nothing else.



                                                      The only real reason to use people for anything in the long term, is because people will(want) to do it, not because it's 'cheaper.'



                                                      Fact is that even today a significant proportion of human industry is redundant (99% of advertising spending is spent trying to attract consumers to one particular variation on a product or service of many that can do that job, for example)



                                                      At some point, hopefully long before a century and a half has passed, the general comprehension of 'economy' will reorient to "those mechanisms of exchange whereby things that need doing get done" as opposed to "i have to justify my existence to society so i must convince it it needs something doing" at which point...



                                                      Pretty much any argument other than habitation provision, workforce replenishment, mission duration, transport costs & h&s can quite readily be answered with 'whatever a robot can do, a human with robotic support can do also.'



                                                      But tele-operation is a thing, and realistically it's much easier to build a single partial rig and a transmitter than it is to maintain conditions suitable for people on-site.



                                                      What you said about 'nothing too crazy.' 150 years ago radio communication did not exist, farming was manual labor, modifying the human form was all about surgery and breeding programs, in 25 mankind will be able to reliably synthesise biogenesis...



                                                      Question is really, in 150 years will humanities loftiest ambition to be to sit in a tele-op rig? Or to alter itself so that it can do those things it's products would otherwise do better.






                                                      share|improve this answer












                                                      Idk what 'Warlords' is, but assuming it's some technoverse where technology has bizarrely only improved in one or two fields and those only in being able to present what is capable today more readily plus some weapons technology..actually.. not assuming that, coz it could have any number of odd precepts =)



                                                      Mining where?
                                                      Machines can be built to operate under constant environmental constraints that people just won't (normally) put up with(that is to say, they will want to get out of those suits) which means you need a living environment, habitat for them, vacations if nothing else.



                                                      The only real reason to use people for anything in the long term, is because people will(want) to do it, not because it's 'cheaper.'



                                                      Fact is that even today a significant proportion of human industry is redundant (99% of advertising spending is spent trying to attract consumers to one particular variation on a product or service of many that can do that job, for example)



                                                      At some point, hopefully long before a century and a half has passed, the general comprehension of 'economy' will reorient to "those mechanisms of exchange whereby things that need doing get done" as opposed to "i have to justify my existence to society so i must convince it it needs something doing" at which point...



                                                      Pretty much any argument other than habitation provision, workforce replenishment, mission duration, transport costs & h&s can quite readily be answered with 'whatever a robot can do, a human with robotic support can do also.'



                                                      But tele-operation is a thing, and realistically it's much easier to build a single partial rig and a transmitter than it is to maintain conditions suitable for people on-site.



                                                      What you said about 'nothing too crazy.' 150 years ago radio communication did not exist, farming was manual labor, modifying the human form was all about surgery and breeding programs, in 25 mankind will be able to reliably synthesise biogenesis...



                                                      Question is really, in 150 years will humanities loftiest ambition to be to sit in a tele-op rig? Or to alter itself so that it can do those things it's products would otherwise do better.







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                                                      • Warlords is my own sci-fi project
                                                        – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                        Nov 24 at 1:05










                                                      • I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
                                                        – Giu Piete
                                                        Nov 24 at 2:33












                                                      • I'll just have to make a new room I guess, XD
                                                        – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                        Nov 24 at 4:54




















                                                      • Warlords is my own sci-fi project
                                                        – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                        Nov 24 at 1:05










                                                      • I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
                                                        – Giu Piete
                                                        Nov 24 at 2:33












                                                      • I'll just have to make a new room I guess, XD
                                                        – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                        Nov 24 at 4:54


















                                                      Warlords is my own sci-fi project
                                                      – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                      Nov 24 at 1:05




                                                      Warlords is my own sci-fi project
                                                      – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                      Nov 24 at 1:05












                                                      I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
                                                      – Giu Piete
                                                      Nov 24 at 2:33






                                                      I get a page not found for the chat room link in your profile :( Cadence's last paragraph (imo) offers the easy route to a human workforce...
                                                      – Giu Piete
                                                      Nov 24 at 2:33














                                                      I'll just have to make a new room I guess, XD
                                                      – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                      Nov 24 at 4:54






                                                      I'll just have to make a new room I guess, XD
                                                      – Celestial Dragon Emperor
                                                      Nov 24 at 4:54












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                                                      AI is good and getting better by the day. If there are power packs capable of automating a human exo-suit they would work even better for Autonomous Mobile robots. Any task a human could do can be done quicker, to a higher precision, and with greater precision.



                                                      Three possibilities:




                                                      1. AI has been outlawed, or prohibited by powerful socio/economic players. Be they government/labour unions/religions/companies/etc...

                                                      2. AI does not want to dig in the dirt, let the humans do that. They even seem to enjoy it.

                                                      3. The materials for constructing exo-suits are common, the materials for constructing suitable AI's are not. Some applications will have robots, but there is a greater need then availability.






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                                                        AI is good and getting better by the day. If there are power packs capable of automating a human exo-suit they would work even better for Autonomous Mobile robots. Any task a human could do can be done quicker, to a higher precision, and with greater precision.



                                                        Three possibilities:




                                                        1. AI has been outlawed, or prohibited by powerful socio/economic players. Be they government/labour unions/religions/companies/etc...

                                                        2. AI does not want to dig in the dirt, let the humans do that. They even seem to enjoy it.

                                                        3. The materials for constructing exo-suits are common, the materials for constructing suitable AI's are not. Some applications will have robots, but there is a greater need then availability.






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                                                          AI is good and getting better by the day. If there are power packs capable of automating a human exo-suit they would work even better for Autonomous Mobile robots. Any task a human could do can be done quicker, to a higher precision, and with greater precision.



                                                          Three possibilities:




                                                          1. AI has been outlawed, or prohibited by powerful socio/economic players. Be they government/labour unions/religions/companies/etc...

                                                          2. AI does not want to dig in the dirt, let the humans do that. They even seem to enjoy it.

                                                          3. The materials for constructing exo-suits are common, the materials for constructing suitable AI's are not. Some applications will have robots, but there is a greater need then availability.






                                                          share|improve this answer












                                                          AI is good and getting better by the day. If there are power packs capable of automating a human exo-suit they would work even better for Autonomous Mobile robots. Any task a human could do can be done quicker, to a higher precision, and with greater precision.



                                                          Three possibilities:




                                                          1. AI has been outlawed, or prohibited by powerful socio/economic players. Be they government/labour unions/religions/companies/etc...

                                                          2. AI does not want to dig in the dirt, let the humans do that. They even seem to enjoy it.

                                                          3. The materials for constructing exo-suits are common, the materials for constructing suitable AI's are not. Some applications will have robots, but there is a greater need then availability.







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