Instantaneous rate of change of the volume of a cone with respect to the radius, if the height is fixed
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My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.
The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."
I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac{2pi a H}{3}$.
Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.
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My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.
The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."
I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac{2pi a H}{3}$.
Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.
calculus
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My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.
The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."
I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac{2pi a H}{3}$.
Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.
calculus
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My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.
The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."
I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac{2pi a H}{3}$.
Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.
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The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
begin{align}
lim_{h to 0} frac{frac{1}{3}pi (r+h)^2H-frac{1}{3}pi r^2H}{h}&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{(r+h)^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{r^2+2rh+h^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{2rh+h^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}2r+hright]\
&=frac{2pi r H}{3}\
end{align}
So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
$$frac{2pi a H}{3}$$
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The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $frac{frac{1}{3}r_1^2H- frac{1}{3}r^2H}{r_1- r_2}= frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2- r_2^2}{r_1- r^2}$.
Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac{1}{3}Hfrac{-h(1+ h)}{-h}$.
The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.
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Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
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– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
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Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
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$$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$
when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi r H$$
At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi a H $$
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Hem, without derivatives...
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– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
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For simplify of the notation, I will consider a "reduced volume" defined as follows:
$$v:=frac{3V}{pi H}$$ so that $$v=r^2.$$ (Any computation about $V$ amounts to one about $v$, to a constant factor.)
Now you give the radius a tiny variation, let $delta r$, and see how the reduced volume changes.
We have
$$delta v=(a+delta r)^2-a^2=(2a+delta r)delta r.$$
Because of the factor $delta r$, the variation of the volume is also tiny and this is not so informative. This is why we want a rate of variation, i.e. the ratio of the volume variation over the radius variation,
$$frac{delta v}{delta r}=2a+delta r.$$
Now, you understand that when $delta r$ is made smaller and smaller, the first term stays constant, but the second vanishes. The rate is considered instantaneous when this second term can be completely neglected.
Finally,
$$frac{delta V}{delta r}approxfrac23pi aH=frac{d V}{d r},$$
where the notation with $d$ indicates that we only want the term that does not vary with $delta r$.
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The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
begin{align}
lim_{h to 0} frac{frac{1}{3}pi (r+h)^2H-frac{1}{3}pi r^2H}{h}&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{(r+h)^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{r^2+2rh+h^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{2rh+h^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}2r+hright]\
&=frac{2pi r H}{3}\
end{align}
So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
$$frac{2pi a H}{3}$$
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The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
begin{align}
lim_{h to 0} frac{frac{1}{3}pi (r+h)^2H-frac{1}{3}pi r^2H}{h}&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{(r+h)^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{r^2+2rh+h^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{2rh+h^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}2r+hright]\
&=frac{2pi r H}{3}\
end{align}
So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
$$frac{2pi a H}{3}$$
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The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
begin{align}
lim_{h to 0} frac{frac{1}{3}pi (r+h)^2H-frac{1}{3}pi r^2H}{h}&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{(r+h)^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{r^2+2rh+h^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{2rh+h^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}2r+hright]\
&=frac{2pi r H}{3}\
end{align}
So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
$$frac{2pi a H}{3}$$
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The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
begin{align}
lim_{h to 0} frac{frac{1}{3}pi (r+h)^2H-frac{1}{3}pi r^2H}{h}&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{(r+h)^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{r^2+2rh+h^2-r^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}frac{2rh+h^2}{h}right]\
&=frac{pi H}{3}left[lim_{hto0}2r+hright]\
&=frac{2pi r H}{3}\
end{align}
So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
$$frac{2pi a H}{3}$$
answered Sep 17 '16 at 22:05
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The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $frac{frac{1}{3}r_1^2H- frac{1}{3}r^2H}{r_1- r_2}= frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2- r_2^2}{r_1- r^2}$.
Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac{1}{3}Hfrac{-h(1+ h)}{-h}$.
The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.
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Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
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– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
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– user247327
Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
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The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $frac{frac{1}{3}r_1^2H- frac{1}{3}r^2H}{r_1- r_2}= frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2- r_2^2}{r_1- r^2}$.
Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac{1}{3}Hfrac{-h(1+ h)}{-h}$.
The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
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– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
$endgroup$
– user247327
Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $frac{frac{1}{3}r_1^2H- frac{1}{3}r^2H}{r_1- r_2}= frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2- r_2^2}{r_1- r^2}$.
Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac{1}{3}Hfrac{-h(1+ h)}{-h}$.
The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.
$endgroup$
The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $frac{frac{1}{3}r_1^2H- frac{1}{3}r^2H}{r_1- r_2}= frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2- r_2^2}{r_1- r^2}$.
Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac{1}{3}Hfrac{-h(1+ h)}{-h}$.
The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.
answered Sep 17 '16 at 22:07
user247327user247327
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Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
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– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
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– user247327
Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
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Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
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– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
$endgroup$
– user247327
Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
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Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
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– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Shouldn't it be $$frac{1}{3}Hfrac{r_1^2-r_2^2}{r_1-r_2}$$?
$endgroup$
– Hrhm
Sep 17 '16 at 22:14
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
$endgroup$
– user247327
Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
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Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
$endgroup$
– user247327
Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
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$$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$
when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi r H$$
At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi a H $$
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Hem, without derivatives...
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– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$
when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi r H$$
At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi a H $$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Hem, without derivatives...
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$
when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi r H$$
At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi a H $$
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$$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$
when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi r H$$
At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to
$$frac{dV}{dr}=frac 23pi a H $$
answered Dec 19 '17 at 9:42
NarasimhamNarasimham
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Hem, without derivatives...
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– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
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Hem, without derivatives...
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– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
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Hem, without derivatives...
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
$begingroup$
Hem, without derivatives...
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Sep 11 '18 at 7:32
add a comment |
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For simplify of the notation, I will consider a "reduced volume" defined as follows:
$$v:=frac{3V}{pi H}$$ so that $$v=r^2.$$ (Any computation about $V$ amounts to one about $v$, to a constant factor.)
Now you give the radius a tiny variation, let $delta r$, and see how the reduced volume changes.
We have
$$delta v=(a+delta r)^2-a^2=(2a+delta r)delta r.$$
Because of the factor $delta r$, the variation of the volume is also tiny and this is not so informative. This is why we want a rate of variation, i.e. the ratio of the volume variation over the radius variation,
$$frac{delta v}{delta r}=2a+delta r.$$
Now, you understand that when $delta r$ is made smaller and smaller, the first term stays constant, but the second vanishes. The rate is considered instantaneous when this second term can be completely neglected.
Finally,
$$frac{delta V}{delta r}approxfrac23pi aH=frac{d V}{d r},$$
where the notation with $d$ indicates that we only want the term that does not vary with $delta r$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For simplify of the notation, I will consider a "reduced volume" defined as follows:
$$v:=frac{3V}{pi H}$$ so that $$v=r^2.$$ (Any computation about $V$ amounts to one about $v$, to a constant factor.)
Now you give the radius a tiny variation, let $delta r$, and see how the reduced volume changes.
We have
$$delta v=(a+delta r)^2-a^2=(2a+delta r)delta r.$$
Because of the factor $delta r$, the variation of the volume is also tiny and this is not so informative. This is why we want a rate of variation, i.e. the ratio of the volume variation over the radius variation,
$$frac{delta v}{delta r}=2a+delta r.$$
Now, you understand that when $delta r$ is made smaller and smaller, the first term stays constant, but the second vanishes. The rate is considered instantaneous when this second term can be completely neglected.
Finally,
$$frac{delta V}{delta r}approxfrac23pi aH=frac{d V}{d r},$$
where the notation with $d$ indicates that we only want the term that does not vary with $delta r$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For simplify of the notation, I will consider a "reduced volume" defined as follows:
$$v:=frac{3V}{pi H}$$ so that $$v=r^2.$$ (Any computation about $V$ amounts to one about $v$, to a constant factor.)
Now you give the radius a tiny variation, let $delta r$, and see how the reduced volume changes.
We have
$$delta v=(a+delta r)^2-a^2=(2a+delta r)delta r.$$
Because of the factor $delta r$, the variation of the volume is also tiny and this is not so informative. This is why we want a rate of variation, i.e. the ratio of the volume variation over the radius variation,
$$frac{delta v}{delta r}=2a+delta r.$$
Now, you understand that when $delta r$ is made smaller and smaller, the first term stays constant, but the second vanishes. The rate is considered instantaneous when this second term can be completely neglected.
Finally,
$$frac{delta V}{delta r}approxfrac23pi aH=frac{d V}{d r},$$
where the notation with $d$ indicates that we only want the term that does not vary with $delta r$.
$endgroup$
For simplify of the notation, I will consider a "reduced volume" defined as follows:
$$v:=frac{3V}{pi H}$$ so that $$v=r^2.$$ (Any computation about $V$ amounts to one about $v$, to a constant factor.)
Now you give the radius a tiny variation, let $delta r$, and see how the reduced volume changes.
We have
$$delta v=(a+delta r)^2-a^2=(2a+delta r)delta r.$$
Because of the factor $delta r$, the variation of the volume is also tiny and this is not so informative. This is why we want a rate of variation, i.e. the ratio of the volume variation over the radius variation,
$$frac{delta v}{delta r}=2a+delta r.$$
Now, you understand that when $delta r$ is made smaller and smaller, the first term stays constant, but the second vanishes. The rate is considered instantaneous when this second term can be completely neglected.
Finally,
$$frac{delta V}{delta r}approxfrac23pi aH=frac{d V}{d r},$$
where the notation with $d$ indicates that we only want the term that does not vary with $delta r$.
edited Sep 11 '18 at 7:44
answered Sep 11 '18 at 7:31
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