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Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines as
I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.
here the problem is to prove det is zero,
my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.
and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)
please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.
Thanks in advance.
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Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines as
I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.
here the problem is to prove det is zero,
my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.
and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)
please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.
Thanks in advance.
algebra-precalculus geometry barycentric-coordinates
Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday
Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday
I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday
O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday
Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
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Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines as
I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.
here the problem is to prove det is zero,
my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.
and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)
please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.
Thanks in advance.
algebra-precalculus geometry barycentric-coordinates
Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines as
I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.
here the problem is to prove det is zero,
my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.
and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)
please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.
Thanks in advance.
algebra-precalculus geometry barycentric-coordinates
algebra-precalculus geometry barycentric-coordinates
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Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday
Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday
I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday
O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday
Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
yesterday
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show 2 more comments
Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday
Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday
I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday
O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday
Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
yesterday
Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday
Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday
Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday
Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday
I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday
I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday
O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday
O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday
Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
yesterday
Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
yesterday
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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:
s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));
(or use factor
instead of ratexpand
), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.
You can also use eigenvalues(M);
to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);
, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]]
)
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$
(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:
factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));
gives the output $[0,0,0]$.
Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.
No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:
s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));
(or use factor
instead of ratexpand
), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.
You can also use eigenvalues(M);
to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);
, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]]
)
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$
(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:
factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));
gives the output $[0,0,0]$.
Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.
No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:
s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));
(or use factor
instead of ratexpand
), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.
You can also use eigenvalues(M);
to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);
, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]]
)
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$
(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:
factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));
gives the output $[0,0,0]$.
Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.
No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
|
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up vote
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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:
s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));
(or use factor
instead of ratexpand
), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.
You can also use eigenvalues(M);
to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);
, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]]
)
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$
(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:
factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));
gives the output $[0,0,0]$.
Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.
Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:
s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));
(or use factor
instead of ratexpand
), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.
You can also use eigenvalues(M);
to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);
, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]]
)
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$
(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:
factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));
gives the output $[0,0,0]$.
Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
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No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
|
show 2 more comments
No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday
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Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday
Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday
I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday
O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday
Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
yesterday