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Question 1: Does such a ring can be found?



Note: The definition of a noetherian topological space is similar to that in rings or sets. Every descending chain of closed subsets stops after a finite number of steps



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  • Question 2 arises because of Z, noetherian but non-artinian: definitions given dually deceive me every time...
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    If $m$ is a maximal ideal of a commutative ring $R$, then $R / m^r$ has only $m/m^r$ as prime ideal, since any prime has the form $p/m^r$, so that $m = sqrt{m^r} subset p implies m=p$, since $m$ is maximal. So it is sufficient to find an example where $m/m^r$ is not finitely generated as $R/m^r$-module, which implies that $R/m^r$ is not Noetherian. $tag*{}$ Moreover, the spectrum of a commutative ring is Noetherian iff the ring satisfies a.c.c. on radical ideals.
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Question 1: Does such a ring can be found?



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    If $m$ is a maximal ideal of a commutative ring $R$, then $R / m^r$ has only $m/m^r$ as prime ideal, since any prime has the form $p/m^r$, so that $m = sqrt{m^r} subset p implies m=p$, since $m$ is maximal. So it is sufficient to find an example where $m/m^r$ is not finitely generated as $R/m^r$-module, which implies that $R/m^r$ is not Noetherian. $tag*{}$ Moreover, the spectrum of a commutative ring is Noetherian iff the ring satisfies a.c.c. on radical ideals.
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Question 1: Does such a ring can be found?



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Question 1: Does such a ring can be found?



Note: The definition of a noetherian topological space is similar to that in rings or sets. Every descending chain of closed subsets stops after a finite number of steps



(Question 2: is this equivalent to saying that every descending chain of opens stops?)







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  • Question 2 arises because of Z, noetherian but non-artinian: definitions given dually deceive me every time...
    – Fosco Loregian
    Oct 21 '10 at 9:00






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    If $m$ is a maximal ideal of a commutative ring $R$, then $R / m^r$ has only $m/m^r$ as prime ideal, since any prime has the form $p/m^r$, so that $m = sqrt{m^r} subset p implies m=p$, since $m$ is maximal. So it is sufficient to find an example where $m/m^r$ is not finitely generated as $R/m^r$-module, which implies that $R/m^r$ is not Noetherian. $tag*{}$ Moreover, the spectrum of a commutative ring is Noetherian iff the ring satisfies a.c.c. on radical ideals.
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  • Question 2 arises because of Z, noetherian but non-artinian: definitions given dually deceive me every time...
    – Fosco Loregian
    Oct 21 '10 at 9:00






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    If $m$ is a maximal ideal of a commutative ring $R$, then $R / m^r$ has only $m/m^r$ as prime ideal, since any prime has the form $p/m^r$, so that $m = sqrt{m^r} subset p implies m=p$, since $m$ is maximal. So it is sufficient to find an example where $m/m^r$ is not finitely generated as $R/m^r$-module, which implies that $R/m^r$ is not Noetherian. $tag*{}$ Moreover, the spectrum of a commutative ring is Noetherian iff the ring satisfies a.c.c. on radical ideals.
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Question 2 arises because of Z, noetherian but non-artinian: definitions given dually deceive me every time...
– Fosco Loregian
Oct 21 '10 at 9:00




Question 2 arises because of Z, noetherian but non-artinian: definitions given dually deceive me every time...
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Oct 21 '10 at 9:00




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If $m$ is a maximal ideal of a commutative ring $R$, then $R / m^r$ has only $m/m^r$ as prime ideal, since any prime has the form $p/m^r$, so that $m = sqrt{m^r} subset p implies m=p$, since $m$ is maximal. So it is sufficient to find an example where $m/m^r$ is not finitely generated as $R/m^r$-module, which implies that $R/m^r$ is not Noetherian. $tag*{}$ Moreover, the spectrum of a commutative ring is Noetherian iff the ring satisfies a.c.c. on radical ideals.
– Watson
Jan 25 '17 at 20:55




If $m$ is a maximal ideal of a commutative ring $R$, then $R / m^r$ has only $m/m^r$ as prime ideal, since any prime has the form $p/m^r$, so that $m = sqrt{m^r} subset p implies m=p$, since $m$ is maximal. So it is sufficient to find an example where $m/m^r$ is not finitely generated as $R/m^r$-module, which implies that $R/m^r$ is not Noetherian. $tag*{}$ Moreover, the spectrum of a commutative ring is Noetherian iff the ring satisfies a.c.c. on radical ideals.
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It is easy to come up with examples when you keep in mind that $X$ and $X_{text{red}}$ are homeomorphic: The topology is not changed when you divide out (all) nilpotent sections.



For example, $A = k[x_1,x_2,...] / (x_1^2,x_2^2,...)$ satisfies $A/mathrm{rad}(A)=k$, so that $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ consists of exactly one point, namely the maximal ideal $(x_1,x_2,...)$, which is not finitely generated.



In general, $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ is a noetherian topological space iff $A$ satisfies the ascending chain condition for radical ideals.






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If the non-noetherianness of the ring is hidden inside the nilradical, then $mathrm{Spec}$ won't see it.



Let $k$ be any ring, and let $V$ be a free $k$-module of infinite rank. Consider $R=koplus V$, and turn it into a ring by defining $$(a,v)cdot(b,w)=(ab,aw+bv).$$ (Representation-people call this a trivial extension) Then $R$ is not-noetherian, because every $k$-submodule of $V$ is an ideal in $R$. Yet $V$ is contained in the nilradical of $R$: if you look at $mathrm{Spec};R$ and at $mathrm{Spec};k$, you'll see that they are very similar.



As for your second question: no. If $k$ is an infinite field, then $mathrm{Spec};k[X]$ is noetherian, yet you'll easily find a decreasing chain of open sets init which does not stop. (What examples did you consider before asking the question? :) )






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Answer to question 1: Yes.



Take a non-noetherian valuation domain $R$ of finite Krull dimension. The spectrum of $R$ is totally ordered under inclusion hence finite.



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    Two more examples I think work...




    1. Let $k$ be a field, and $A = k[x_1,x_2,ldots]$
      a polynomial ring over $k$ in countably many indeterminates.
      Let $mathfrak{b}$ be the ideal generated by $x_1^2$ and
      $x_n - x_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$.
      Write $y_n = bar x_n$ in $B = A/mathfrak{b}$.
      Then $y_1^2 = 0$ and $y_n = y_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$,
      so $y_n^{2^n} = 0$.
      If $mathfrak{p} = (y_1,y_2,ldots)$,
      we have $B/mathfrak{p} cong k$, so $mathfrak{p}$ is maximal.
      On the other hand, the generators of $mathfrak{p}$ are nilpotent, so
      $mathfrak{p}$ is contained in the nilradical of $B$, and hence is the unique minimal prime as well.
      Since all primes then contain the maximal ideal $mathfrak{p}$
      $mathfrak{p}$ is the only prime of $B$.
      Thus $mathrm{Spec}(B) = {mathfrak{p}}$ is obviously Noetherian.
      But $(y_1) subsetneq (y_2) subsetneq (y_3) subsetneq cdots$
      is an infinite ascending chain of ideals, so $B$ is not Noetherian.


    2. Let $k$ be a field, $mathbb{Q}$ the additive group of rational numbers, and $k[mathbb{Q}]$ the group algebra. If $K$ is its field of fractions, there is a naturally associated valuation $vcolon K^times twoheadrightarrow mathbb{Q}$; let $A = {0} cup {x in K : v(x) geq 0}$ be the associated valuation ring. It has an ideal $mathfrak{a}_q = {x in K : v(x) geq q}$ for each rational $q > 0$, with $mathfrak{a}_q subsetneq mathfrak{a}_r$ if $r < q$. Thus, taking an infinite decreasing sequence $(q_j)$, we see $A$ is not Noetherian. However, the only prime ideal of $A$ is $mathfrak{p} = {x in K : v(x) > 0}$.







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      $newcommand{Z}{mathbb{Z}}$
      Just to supply another example. Let $R$ be the subring $Z/4+(2)subset(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$. (In general, the sum of a subring and an ideal is a subring.) $R$ consists of all polynomials in $(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$ with coefficients of non-constant terms nilpotent. The nilradical of $R$ is $(2)$, and $R/(2)=Z/2$ is a field, so $mathrm{Spec}(R)$ is Noetherian. However, $(2x_1)subset(2x_1,2x_2)subsetcdots$ is a strictly ascending chain.






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        Yet another example from the $p$-adic world: Let $p$ be prime $F = ℚ_p^{mathrm{tr}}$ the maximal totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$. Then $F$ is a non-archimedically valued field with a value $lvert, ·,rvert colon F → [0..∞)$ that extends every value of every finite totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$.



        Hence, $mathfrak o = {x ∈ F;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1 }$ is a local ring with its maximal ideal given by $mathfrak m = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert < 1 }$. Let $mathfrak a = pmathfrak o = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1/p }$. Then $operatorname{rad} mathfrak a = mathfrak m$, and so $operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak a = operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak m$ is a point. However, $mathfrak o / mathfrak a$ is not Noetherian, since there are infinite strictly ascending chains of ideals above $mathfrak a$, for instance
        $$mathfrak a = (p) subsetneq (sqrt p) subsetneq (sqrt[4] p) subsetneq (sqrt[8] p) subsetneq ….$$






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          It is easy to come up with examples when you keep in mind that $X$ and $X_{text{red}}$ are homeomorphic: The topology is not changed when you divide out (all) nilpotent sections.



          For example, $A = k[x_1,x_2,...] / (x_1^2,x_2^2,...)$ satisfies $A/mathrm{rad}(A)=k$, so that $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ consists of exactly one point, namely the maximal ideal $(x_1,x_2,...)$, which is not finitely generated.



          In general, $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ is a noetherian topological space iff $A$ satisfies the ascending chain condition for radical ideals.






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          It is easy to come up with examples when you keep in mind that $X$ and $X_{text{red}}$ are homeomorphic: The topology is not changed when you divide out (all) nilpotent sections.



          For example, $A = k[x_1,x_2,...] / (x_1^2,x_2^2,...)$ satisfies $A/mathrm{rad}(A)=k$, so that $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ consists of exactly one point, namely the maximal ideal $(x_1,x_2,...)$, which is not finitely generated.



          In general, $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ is a noetherian topological space iff $A$ satisfies the ascending chain condition for radical ideals.






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          It is easy to come up with examples when you keep in mind that $X$ and $X_{text{red}}$ are homeomorphic: The topology is not changed when you divide out (all) nilpotent sections.



          For example, $A = k[x_1,x_2,...] / (x_1^2,x_2^2,...)$ satisfies $A/mathrm{rad}(A)=k$, so that $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ consists of exactly one point, namely the maximal ideal $(x_1,x_2,...)$, which is not finitely generated.



          In general, $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ is a noetherian topological space iff $A$ satisfies the ascending chain condition for radical ideals.






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          It is easy to come up with examples when you keep in mind that $X$ and $X_{text{red}}$ are homeomorphic: The topology is not changed when you divide out (all) nilpotent sections.



          For example, $A = k[x_1,x_2,...] / (x_1^2,x_2^2,...)$ satisfies $A/mathrm{rad}(A)=k$, so that $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ consists of exactly one point, namely the maximal ideal $(x_1,x_2,...)$, which is not finitely generated.



          In general, $mathrm{Spec}(A)$ is a noetherian topological space iff $A$ satisfies the ascending chain condition for radical ideals.







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          If the non-noetherianness of the ring is hidden inside the nilradical, then $mathrm{Spec}$ won't see it.



          Let $k$ be any ring, and let $V$ be a free $k$-module of infinite rank. Consider $R=koplus V$, and turn it into a ring by defining $$(a,v)cdot(b,w)=(ab,aw+bv).$$ (Representation-people call this a trivial extension) Then $R$ is not-noetherian, because every $k$-submodule of $V$ is an ideal in $R$. Yet $V$ is contained in the nilradical of $R$: if you look at $mathrm{Spec};R$ and at $mathrm{Spec};k$, you'll see that they are very similar.



          As for your second question: no. If $k$ is an infinite field, then $mathrm{Spec};k[X]$ is noetherian, yet you'll easily find a decreasing chain of open sets init which does not stop. (What examples did you consider before asking the question? :) )






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          If the non-noetherianness of the ring is hidden inside the nilradical, then $mathrm{Spec}$ won't see it.



          Let $k$ be any ring, and let $V$ be a free $k$-module of infinite rank. Consider $R=koplus V$, and turn it into a ring by defining $$(a,v)cdot(b,w)=(ab,aw+bv).$$ (Representation-people call this a trivial extension) Then $R$ is not-noetherian, because every $k$-submodule of $V$ is an ideal in $R$. Yet $V$ is contained in the nilradical of $R$: if you look at $mathrm{Spec};R$ and at $mathrm{Spec};k$, you'll see that they are very similar.



          As for your second question: no. If $k$ is an infinite field, then $mathrm{Spec};k[X]$ is noetherian, yet you'll easily find a decreasing chain of open sets init which does not stop. (What examples did you consider before asking the question? :) )






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          If the non-noetherianness of the ring is hidden inside the nilradical, then $mathrm{Spec}$ won't see it.



          Let $k$ be any ring, and let $V$ be a free $k$-module of infinite rank. Consider $R=koplus V$, and turn it into a ring by defining $$(a,v)cdot(b,w)=(ab,aw+bv).$$ (Representation-people call this a trivial extension) Then $R$ is not-noetherian, because every $k$-submodule of $V$ is an ideal in $R$. Yet $V$ is contained in the nilradical of $R$: if you look at $mathrm{Spec};R$ and at $mathrm{Spec};k$, you'll see that they are very similar.



          As for your second question: no. If $k$ is an infinite field, then $mathrm{Spec};k[X]$ is noetherian, yet you'll easily find a decreasing chain of open sets init which does not stop. (What examples did you consider before asking the question? :) )






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          If the non-noetherianness of the ring is hidden inside the nilradical, then $mathrm{Spec}$ won't see it.



          Let $k$ be any ring, and let $V$ be a free $k$-module of infinite rank. Consider $R=koplus V$, and turn it into a ring by defining $$(a,v)cdot(b,w)=(ab,aw+bv).$$ (Representation-people call this a trivial extension) Then $R$ is not-noetherian, because every $k$-submodule of $V$ is an ideal in $R$. Yet $V$ is contained in the nilradical of $R$: if you look at $mathrm{Spec};R$ and at $mathrm{Spec};k$, you'll see that they are very similar.



          As for your second question: no. If $k$ is an infinite field, then $mathrm{Spec};k[X]$ is noetherian, yet you'll easily find a decreasing chain of open sets init which does not stop. (What examples did you consider before asking the question? :) )







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          Answer to question 1: Yes.



          Take a non-noetherian valuation domain $R$ of finite Krull dimension. The spectrum of $R$ is totally ordered under inclusion hence finite.



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            Answer to question 1: Yes.



            Take a non-noetherian valuation domain $R$ of finite Krull dimension. The spectrum of $R$ is totally ordered under inclusion hence finite.



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              Take a non-noetherian valuation domain $R$ of finite Krull dimension. The spectrum of $R$ is totally ordered under inclusion hence finite.



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              Answer to question 1: Yes.



              Take a non-noetherian valuation domain $R$ of finite Krull dimension. The spectrum of $R$ is totally ordered under inclusion hence finite.



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                  Two more examples I think work...




                  1. Let $k$ be a field, and $A = k[x_1,x_2,ldots]$
                    a polynomial ring over $k$ in countably many indeterminates.
                    Let $mathfrak{b}$ be the ideal generated by $x_1^2$ and
                    $x_n - x_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$.
                    Write $y_n = bar x_n$ in $B = A/mathfrak{b}$.
                    Then $y_1^2 = 0$ and $y_n = y_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$,
                    so $y_n^{2^n} = 0$.
                    If $mathfrak{p} = (y_1,y_2,ldots)$,
                    we have $B/mathfrak{p} cong k$, so $mathfrak{p}$ is maximal.
                    On the other hand, the generators of $mathfrak{p}$ are nilpotent, so
                    $mathfrak{p}$ is contained in the nilradical of $B$, and hence is the unique minimal prime as well.
                    Since all primes then contain the maximal ideal $mathfrak{p}$
                    $mathfrak{p}$ is the only prime of $B$.
                    Thus $mathrm{Spec}(B) = {mathfrak{p}}$ is obviously Noetherian.
                    But $(y_1) subsetneq (y_2) subsetneq (y_3) subsetneq cdots$
                    is an infinite ascending chain of ideals, so $B$ is not Noetherian.


                  2. Let $k$ be a field, $mathbb{Q}$ the additive group of rational numbers, and $k[mathbb{Q}]$ the group algebra. If $K$ is its field of fractions, there is a naturally associated valuation $vcolon K^times twoheadrightarrow mathbb{Q}$; let $A = {0} cup {x in K : v(x) geq 0}$ be the associated valuation ring. It has an ideal $mathfrak{a}_q = {x in K : v(x) geq q}$ for each rational $q > 0$, with $mathfrak{a}_q subsetneq mathfrak{a}_r$ if $r < q$. Thus, taking an infinite decreasing sequence $(q_j)$, we see $A$ is not Noetherian. However, the only prime ideal of $A$ is $mathfrak{p} = {x in K : v(x) > 0}$.







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                    Two more examples I think work...




                    1. Let $k$ be a field, and $A = k[x_1,x_2,ldots]$
                      a polynomial ring over $k$ in countably many indeterminates.
                      Let $mathfrak{b}$ be the ideal generated by $x_1^2$ and
                      $x_n - x_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$.
                      Write $y_n = bar x_n$ in $B = A/mathfrak{b}$.
                      Then $y_1^2 = 0$ and $y_n = y_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$,
                      so $y_n^{2^n} = 0$.
                      If $mathfrak{p} = (y_1,y_2,ldots)$,
                      we have $B/mathfrak{p} cong k$, so $mathfrak{p}$ is maximal.
                      On the other hand, the generators of $mathfrak{p}$ are nilpotent, so
                      $mathfrak{p}$ is contained in the nilradical of $B$, and hence is the unique minimal prime as well.
                      Since all primes then contain the maximal ideal $mathfrak{p}$
                      $mathfrak{p}$ is the only prime of $B$.
                      Thus $mathrm{Spec}(B) = {mathfrak{p}}$ is obviously Noetherian.
                      But $(y_1) subsetneq (y_2) subsetneq (y_3) subsetneq cdots$
                      is an infinite ascending chain of ideals, so $B$ is not Noetherian.


                    2. Let $k$ be a field, $mathbb{Q}$ the additive group of rational numbers, and $k[mathbb{Q}]$ the group algebra. If $K$ is its field of fractions, there is a naturally associated valuation $vcolon K^times twoheadrightarrow mathbb{Q}$; let $A = {0} cup {x in K : v(x) geq 0}$ be the associated valuation ring. It has an ideal $mathfrak{a}_q = {x in K : v(x) geq q}$ for each rational $q > 0$, with $mathfrak{a}_q subsetneq mathfrak{a}_r$ if $r < q$. Thus, taking an infinite decreasing sequence $(q_j)$, we see $A$ is not Noetherian. However, the only prime ideal of $A$ is $mathfrak{p} = {x in K : v(x) > 0}$.







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                      Two more examples I think work...




                      1. Let $k$ be a field, and $A = k[x_1,x_2,ldots]$
                        a polynomial ring over $k$ in countably many indeterminates.
                        Let $mathfrak{b}$ be the ideal generated by $x_1^2$ and
                        $x_n - x_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$.
                        Write $y_n = bar x_n$ in $B = A/mathfrak{b}$.
                        Then $y_1^2 = 0$ and $y_n = y_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$,
                        so $y_n^{2^n} = 0$.
                        If $mathfrak{p} = (y_1,y_2,ldots)$,
                        we have $B/mathfrak{p} cong k$, so $mathfrak{p}$ is maximal.
                        On the other hand, the generators of $mathfrak{p}$ are nilpotent, so
                        $mathfrak{p}$ is contained in the nilradical of $B$, and hence is the unique minimal prime as well.
                        Since all primes then contain the maximal ideal $mathfrak{p}$
                        $mathfrak{p}$ is the only prime of $B$.
                        Thus $mathrm{Spec}(B) = {mathfrak{p}}$ is obviously Noetherian.
                        But $(y_1) subsetneq (y_2) subsetneq (y_3) subsetneq cdots$
                        is an infinite ascending chain of ideals, so $B$ is not Noetherian.


                      2. Let $k$ be a field, $mathbb{Q}$ the additive group of rational numbers, and $k[mathbb{Q}]$ the group algebra. If $K$ is its field of fractions, there is a naturally associated valuation $vcolon K^times twoheadrightarrow mathbb{Q}$; let $A = {0} cup {x in K : v(x) geq 0}$ be the associated valuation ring. It has an ideal $mathfrak{a}_q = {x in K : v(x) geq q}$ for each rational $q > 0$, with $mathfrak{a}_q subsetneq mathfrak{a}_r$ if $r < q$. Thus, taking an infinite decreasing sequence $(q_j)$, we see $A$ is not Noetherian. However, the only prime ideal of $A$ is $mathfrak{p} = {x in K : v(x) > 0}$.







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                      Two more examples I think work...




                      1. Let $k$ be a field, and $A = k[x_1,x_2,ldots]$
                        a polynomial ring over $k$ in countably many indeterminates.
                        Let $mathfrak{b}$ be the ideal generated by $x_1^2$ and
                        $x_n - x_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$.
                        Write $y_n = bar x_n$ in $B = A/mathfrak{b}$.
                        Then $y_1^2 = 0$ and $y_n = y_{n+1}^2$ for all $n geq 1$,
                        so $y_n^{2^n} = 0$.
                        If $mathfrak{p} = (y_1,y_2,ldots)$,
                        we have $B/mathfrak{p} cong k$, so $mathfrak{p}$ is maximal.
                        On the other hand, the generators of $mathfrak{p}$ are nilpotent, so
                        $mathfrak{p}$ is contained in the nilradical of $B$, and hence is the unique minimal prime as well.
                        Since all primes then contain the maximal ideal $mathfrak{p}$
                        $mathfrak{p}$ is the only prime of $B$.
                        Thus $mathrm{Spec}(B) = {mathfrak{p}}$ is obviously Noetherian.
                        But $(y_1) subsetneq (y_2) subsetneq (y_3) subsetneq cdots$
                        is an infinite ascending chain of ideals, so $B$ is not Noetherian.


                      2. Let $k$ be a field, $mathbb{Q}$ the additive group of rational numbers, and $k[mathbb{Q}]$ the group algebra. If $K$ is its field of fractions, there is a naturally associated valuation $vcolon K^times twoheadrightarrow mathbb{Q}$; let $A = {0} cup {x in K : v(x) geq 0}$ be the associated valuation ring. It has an ideal $mathfrak{a}_q = {x in K : v(x) geq q}$ for each rational $q > 0$, with $mathfrak{a}_q subsetneq mathfrak{a}_r$ if $r < q$. Thus, taking an infinite decreasing sequence $(q_j)$, we see $A$ is not Noetherian. However, the only prime ideal of $A$ is $mathfrak{p} = {x in K : v(x) > 0}$.








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                          Just to supply another example. Let $R$ be the subring $Z/4+(2)subset(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$. (In general, the sum of a subring and an ideal is a subring.) $R$ consists of all polynomials in $(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$ with coefficients of non-constant terms nilpotent. The nilradical of $R$ is $(2)$, and $R/(2)=Z/2$ is a field, so $mathrm{Spec}(R)$ is Noetherian. However, $(2x_1)subset(2x_1,2x_2)subsetcdots$ is a strictly ascending chain.






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                            $newcommand{Z}{mathbb{Z}}$
                            Just to supply another example. Let $R$ be the subring $Z/4+(2)subset(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$. (In general, the sum of a subring and an ideal is a subring.) $R$ consists of all polynomials in $(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$ with coefficients of non-constant terms nilpotent. The nilradical of $R$ is $(2)$, and $R/(2)=Z/2$ is a field, so $mathrm{Spec}(R)$ is Noetherian. However, $(2x_1)subset(2x_1,2x_2)subsetcdots$ is a strictly ascending chain.






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                              $newcommand{Z}{mathbb{Z}}$
                              Just to supply another example. Let $R$ be the subring $Z/4+(2)subset(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$. (In general, the sum of a subring and an ideal is a subring.) $R$ consists of all polynomials in $(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$ with coefficients of non-constant terms nilpotent. The nilradical of $R$ is $(2)$, and $R/(2)=Z/2$ is a field, so $mathrm{Spec}(R)$ is Noetherian. However, $(2x_1)subset(2x_1,2x_2)subsetcdots$ is a strictly ascending chain.






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                              $newcommand{Z}{mathbb{Z}}$
                              Just to supply another example. Let $R$ be the subring $Z/4+(2)subset(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$. (In general, the sum of a subring and an ideal is a subring.) $R$ consists of all polynomials in $(Z/4)[x_1,x_2,cdots]$ with coefficients of non-constant terms nilpotent. The nilradical of $R$ is $(2)$, and $R/(2)=Z/2$ is a field, so $mathrm{Spec}(R)$ is Noetherian. However, $(2x_1)subset(2x_1,2x_2)subsetcdots$ is a strictly ascending chain.







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                                  Yet another example from the $p$-adic world: Let $p$ be prime $F = ℚ_p^{mathrm{tr}}$ the maximal totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$. Then $F$ is a non-archimedically valued field with a value $lvert, ·,rvert colon F → [0..∞)$ that extends every value of every finite totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$.



                                  Hence, $mathfrak o = {x ∈ F;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1 }$ is a local ring with its maximal ideal given by $mathfrak m = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert < 1 }$. Let $mathfrak a = pmathfrak o = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1/p }$. Then $operatorname{rad} mathfrak a = mathfrak m$, and so $operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak a = operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak m$ is a point. However, $mathfrak o / mathfrak a$ is not Noetherian, since there are infinite strictly ascending chains of ideals above $mathfrak a$, for instance
                                  $$mathfrak a = (p) subsetneq (sqrt p) subsetneq (sqrt[4] p) subsetneq (sqrt[8] p) subsetneq ….$$






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                                    Yet another example from the $p$-adic world: Let $p$ be prime $F = ℚ_p^{mathrm{tr}}$ the maximal totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$. Then $F$ is a non-archimedically valued field with a value $lvert, ·,rvert colon F → [0..∞)$ that extends every value of every finite totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$.



                                    Hence, $mathfrak o = {x ∈ F;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1 }$ is a local ring with its maximal ideal given by $mathfrak m = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert < 1 }$. Let $mathfrak a = pmathfrak o = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1/p }$. Then $operatorname{rad} mathfrak a = mathfrak m$, and so $operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak a = operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak m$ is a point. However, $mathfrak o / mathfrak a$ is not Noetherian, since there are infinite strictly ascending chains of ideals above $mathfrak a$, for instance
                                    $$mathfrak a = (p) subsetneq (sqrt p) subsetneq (sqrt[4] p) subsetneq (sqrt[8] p) subsetneq ….$$






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                                      Yet another example from the $p$-adic world: Let $p$ be prime $F = ℚ_p^{mathrm{tr}}$ the maximal totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$. Then $F$ is a non-archimedically valued field with a value $lvert, ·,rvert colon F → [0..∞)$ that extends every value of every finite totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$.



                                      Hence, $mathfrak o = {x ∈ F;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1 }$ is a local ring with its maximal ideal given by $mathfrak m = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert < 1 }$. Let $mathfrak a = pmathfrak o = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1/p }$. Then $operatorname{rad} mathfrak a = mathfrak m$, and so $operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak a = operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak m$ is a point. However, $mathfrak o / mathfrak a$ is not Noetherian, since there are infinite strictly ascending chains of ideals above $mathfrak a$, for instance
                                      $$mathfrak a = (p) subsetneq (sqrt p) subsetneq (sqrt[4] p) subsetneq (sqrt[8] p) subsetneq ….$$






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                                      Yet another example from the $p$-adic world: Let $p$ be prime $F = ℚ_p^{mathrm{tr}}$ the maximal totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$. Then $F$ is a non-archimedically valued field with a value $lvert, ·,rvert colon F → [0..∞)$ that extends every value of every finite totally ramified extension of $ℚ_p$.



                                      Hence, $mathfrak o = {x ∈ F;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1 }$ is a local ring with its maximal ideal given by $mathfrak m = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert < 1 }$. Let $mathfrak a = pmathfrak o = {x ∈ mathfrak o;~lvert x rvert ≤ 1/p }$. Then $operatorname{rad} mathfrak a = mathfrak m$, and so $operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak a = operatorname{Spec} mathfrak o / mathfrak m$ is a point. However, $mathfrak o / mathfrak a$ is not Noetherian, since there are infinite strictly ascending chains of ideals above $mathfrak a$, for instance
                                      $$mathfrak a = (p) subsetneq (sqrt p) subsetneq (sqrt[4] p) subsetneq (sqrt[8] p) subsetneq ….$$







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