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Let $f,g$ be bounded measurable functions on a set $E$ of finite measure.
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If $f displaystyle overset{a.e.}= g $ then $displaystyleint_E f= int_E g$



I have this proof from Cupta book, but I'm confused about why $f$ and $g$ need to be bounded and where we benefit from this information in this proof?



What if $f, g$ are nonnegative, and unbounded? What will be exchange?




$quad$ (c) It is sufficient to show that
$$int_E (f-g)=0.$$
Since $f-g=0$ a.e., it follows that if $psigeq f-g$, then $psigeq 0$ a.e. Therefore, in view of Theorem 2.2 (b), we have
$$int_E psigeq 0$$
Thus
$$int_E (f-g)geq 0.$$
Similarly, one can prove that
$$int_E (f-g)leq 0.$$
This proves the result.










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    Depending on what you've proven up to this point, you don't need boundedness; you do need absolute integrability though. Boundedness naturally implies this.
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Let $f,g$ be bounded measurable functions on a set $E$ of finite measure.
Show that:



If $f displaystyle overset{a.e.}= g $ then $displaystyleint_E f= int_E g$



I have this proof from Cupta book, but I'm confused about why $f$ and $g$ need to be bounded and where we benefit from this information in this proof?



What if $f, g$ are nonnegative, and unbounded? What will be exchange?




$quad$ (c) It is sufficient to show that
$$int_E (f-g)=0.$$
Since $f-g=0$ a.e., it follows that if $psigeq f-g$, then $psigeq 0$ a.e. Therefore, in view of Theorem 2.2 (b), we have
$$int_E psigeq 0$$
Thus
$$int_E (f-g)geq 0.$$
Similarly, one can prove that
$$int_E (f-g)leq 0.$$
This proves the result.










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    Depending on what you've proven up to this point, you don't need boundedness; you do need absolute integrability though. Boundedness naturally implies this.
    – T. Bongers
    Nov 16 at 18:48













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Let $f,g$ be bounded measurable functions on a set $E$ of finite measure.
Show that:



If $f displaystyle overset{a.e.}= g $ then $displaystyleint_E f= int_E g$



I have this proof from Cupta book, but I'm confused about why $f$ and $g$ need to be bounded and where we benefit from this information in this proof?



What if $f, g$ are nonnegative, and unbounded? What will be exchange?




$quad$ (c) It is sufficient to show that
$$int_E (f-g)=0.$$
Since $f-g=0$ a.e., it follows that if $psigeq f-g$, then $psigeq 0$ a.e. Therefore, in view of Theorem 2.2 (b), we have
$$int_E psigeq 0$$
Thus
$$int_E (f-g)geq 0.$$
Similarly, one can prove that
$$int_E (f-g)leq 0.$$
This proves the result.










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Let $f,g$ be bounded measurable functions on a set $E$ of finite measure.
Show that:



If $f displaystyle overset{a.e.}= g $ then $displaystyleint_E f= int_E g$



I have this proof from Cupta book, but I'm confused about why $f$ and $g$ need to be bounded and where we benefit from this information in this proof?



What if $f, g$ are nonnegative, and unbounded? What will be exchange?




$quad$ (c) It is sufficient to show that
$$int_E (f-g)=0.$$
Since $f-g=0$ a.e., it follows that if $psigeq f-g$, then $psigeq 0$ a.e. Therefore, in view of Theorem 2.2 (b), we have
$$int_E psigeq 0$$
Thus
$$int_E (f-g)geq 0.$$
Similarly, one can prove that
$$int_E (f-g)leq 0.$$
This proves the result.







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    Depending on what you've proven up to this point, you don't need boundedness; you do need absolute integrability though. Boundedness naturally implies this.
    – T. Bongers
    Nov 16 at 18:48














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    Depending on what you've proven up to this point, you don't need boundedness; you do need absolute integrability though. Boundedness naturally implies this.
    – T. Bongers
    Nov 16 at 18:48








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Depending on what you've proven up to this point, you don't need boundedness; you do need absolute integrability though. Boundedness naturally implies this.
– T. Bongers
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Depending on what you've proven up to this point, you don't need boundedness; you do need absolute integrability though. Boundedness naturally implies this.
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In many standard textbooks like Real Analysis by Royden and apparently this one, the Lebesgue integral is first defined for bounded measurable functions on a set of finite measure. With these restrictions the function is integrable when upper and lower Lebesgue integrals are equal and the integral is



$$int_E f = sup left{int_E phi , , | , ,phi text{ simple },,, phi leqslant f right} = inf left{int_E psi , ,| , ,psi text{ simple },,, psi geqslant f right}$$



The basic properties of the integral like linearity, monotonicity and $f overset{a.e.}= g implies int_E f = int_E g$ are proved often by exploiting the assumptions such as boundedness.



Later the integral is defined more generally by building on this foundation. For example, for a nonnegative function $f$ that may be unbounded on a set $E$ that may have infinite measure, the integral is defined as



$$int_E f = sup left{int_E h , , | , ,h text{ bounded, measurable, of finite support },,, 0 leqslant h leqslant f right}$$



This definition relies on the earlier development of the integral for the bounded function $h$. The basic properties are then shown to extend.



The proof you included is clearly introduced at a point where the focus is on the Lebesgue integral for bounded, measurable functions defined on a set of finite measure. It uses two results that exploit boundedness.



(1) Since $f-g$ is bounded and $E$ has finite measure , there exists a simple function $psi$ such that $psi geqslant f-g$ on $E$. This is clear since boundedness implies there exists a number $M$ such that $f - g leqslant M$ on $E$ and $psi = M chi_E$ is a simple function.



(2) For any simple function $psi geqslant 0$ a.e., we have $int_E psi geqslant 0$. This follows almost directly from the definition of the Lebesgue integral of a simple function.



What if f,g are nonnegative and unbounded?



The theorem carries through and follows from:




Let $f$ be a nonnegative, measureable function on a measureable set
$E$. Then $f = 0$ a.e. if and only if $displaystyle int_E f = 0$.




The only if part is easily shown by taking $E_0 = {x in E ,, | ,, f(x) = 0}$. We then have



$$int_E f = int_{E_0} f + int_{E setminus E_0} f$$



The first integral on the RHS is $0$ since the only bounded, measurable function $h$ of finite support on $E_0$ with $0 leqslant h leqslant f$ has $h(x) = 0$ for all $x in E_0$ and $sup_h int_{E_0} h = 0$. The second integral on the RHS is also $0$ by again applying the definitions and using the fact that the measure of $Esetminus E_0$ is $0$.






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    In many standard textbooks like Real Analysis by Royden and apparently this one, the Lebesgue integral is first defined for bounded measurable functions on a set of finite measure. With these restrictions the function is integrable when upper and lower Lebesgue integrals are equal and the integral is



    $$int_E f = sup left{int_E phi , , | , ,phi text{ simple },,, phi leqslant f right} = inf left{int_E psi , ,| , ,psi text{ simple },,, psi geqslant f right}$$



    The basic properties of the integral like linearity, monotonicity and $f overset{a.e.}= g implies int_E f = int_E g$ are proved often by exploiting the assumptions such as boundedness.



    Later the integral is defined more generally by building on this foundation. For example, for a nonnegative function $f$ that may be unbounded on a set $E$ that may have infinite measure, the integral is defined as



    $$int_E f = sup left{int_E h , , | , ,h text{ bounded, measurable, of finite support },,, 0 leqslant h leqslant f right}$$



    This definition relies on the earlier development of the integral for the bounded function $h$. The basic properties are then shown to extend.



    The proof you included is clearly introduced at a point where the focus is on the Lebesgue integral for bounded, measurable functions defined on a set of finite measure. It uses two results that exploit boundedness.



    (1) Since $f-g$ is bounded and $E$ has finite measure , there exists a simple function $psi$ such that $psi geqslant f-g$ on $E$. This is clear since boundedness implies there exists a number $M$ such that $f - g leqslant M$ on $E$ and $psi = M chi_E$ is a simple function.



    (2) For any simple function $psi geqslant 0$ a.e., we have $int_E psi geqslant 0$. This follows almost directly from the definition of the Lebesgue integral of a simple function.



    What if f,g are nonnegative and unbounded?



    The theorem carries through and follows from:




    Let $f$ be a nonnegative, measureable function on a measureable set
    $E$. Then $f = 0$ a.e. if and only if $displaystyle int_E f = 0$.




    The only if part is easily shown by taking $E_0 = {x in E ,, | ,, f(x) = 0}$. We then have



    $$int_E f = int_{E_0} f + int_{E setminus E_0} f$$



    The first integral on the RHS is $0$ since the only bounded, measurable function $h$ of finite support on $E_0$ with $0 leqslant h leqslant f$ has $h(x) = 0$ for all $x in E_0$ and $sup_h int_{E_0} h = 0$. The second integral on the RHS is also $0$ by again applying the definitions and using the fact that the measure of $Esetminus E_0$ is $0$.






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      In many standard textbooks like Real Analysis by Royden and apparently this one, the Lebesgue integral is first defined for bounded measurable functions on a set of finite measure. With these restrictions the function is integrable when upper and lower Lebesgue integrals are equal and the integral is



      $$int_E f = sup left{int_E phi , , | , ,phi text{ simple },,, phi leqslant f right} = inf left{int_E psi , ,| , ,psi text{ simple },,, psi geqslant f right}$$



      The basic properties of the integral like linearity, monotonicity and $f overset{a.e.}= g implies int_E f = int_E g$ are proved often by exploiting the assumptions such as boundedness.



      Later the integral is defined more generally by building on this foundation. For example, for a nonnegative function $f$ that may be unbounded on a set $E$ that may have infinite measure, the integral is defined as



      $$int_E f = sup left{int_E h , , | , ,h text{ bounded, measurable, of finite support },,, 0 leqslant h leqslant f right}$$



      This definition relies on the earlier development of the integral for the bounded function $h$. The basic properties are then shown to extend.



      The proof you included is clearly introduced at a point where the focus is on the Lebesgue integral for bounded, measurable functions defined on a set of finite measure. It uses two results that exploit boundedness.



      (1) Since $f-g$ is bounded and $E$ has finite measure , there exists a simple function $psi$ such that $psi geqslant f-g$ on $E$. This is clear since boundedness implies there exists a number $M$ such that $f - g leqslant M$ on $E$ and $psi = M chi_E$ is a simple function.



      (2) For any simple function $psi geqslant 0$ a.e., we have $int_E psi geqslant 0$. This follows almost directly from the definition of the Lebesgue integral of a simple function.



      What if f,g are nonnegative and unbounded?



      The theorem carries through and follows from:




      Let $f$ be a nonnegative, measureable function on a measureable set
      $E$. Then $f = 0$ a.e. if and only if $displaystyle int_E f = 0$.




      The only if part is easily shown by taking $E_0 = {x in E ,, | ,, f(x) = 0}$. We then have



      $$int_E f = int_{E_0} f + int_{E setminus E_0} f$$



      The first integral on the RHS is $0$ since the only bounded, measurable function $h$ of finite support on $E_0$ with $0 leqslant h leqslant f$ has $h(x) = 0$ for all $x in E_0$ and $sup_h int_{E_0} h = 0$. The second integral on the RHS is also $0$ by again applying the definitions and using the fact that the measure of $Esetminus E_0$ is $0$.






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        In many standard textbooks like Real Analysis by Royden and apparently this one, the Lebesgue integral is first defined for bounded measurable functions on a set of finite measure. With these restrictions the function is integrable when upper and lower Lebesgue integrals are equal and the integral is



        $$int_E f = sup left{int_E phi , , | , ,phi text{ simple },,, phi leqslant f right} = inf left{int_E psi , ,| , ,psi text{ simple },,, psi geqslant f right}$$



        The basic properties of the integral like linearity, monotonicity and $f overset{a.e.}= g implies int_E f = int_E g$ are proved often by exploiting the assumptions such as boundedness.



        Later the integral is defined more generally by building on this foundation. For example, for a nonnegative function $f$ that may be unbounded on a set $E$ that may have infinite measure, the integral is defined as



        $$int_E f = sup left{int_E h , , | , ,h text{ bounded, measurable, of finite support },,, 0 leqslant h leqslant f right}$$



        This definition relies on the earlier development of the integral for the bounded function $h$. The basic properties are then shown to extend.



        The proof you included is clearly introduced at a point where the focus is on the Lebesgue integral for bounded, measurable functions defined on a set of finite measure. It uses two results that exploit boundedness.



        (1) Since $f-g$ is bounded and $E$ has finite measure , there exists a simple function $psi$ such that $psi geqslant f-g$ on $E$. This is clear since boundedness implies there exists a number $M$ such that $f - g leqslant M$ on $E$ and $psi = M chi_E$ is a simple function.



        (2) For any simple function $psi geqslant 0$ a.e., we have $int_E psi geqslant 0$. This follows almost directly from the definition of the Lebesgue integral of a simple function.



        What if f,g are nonnegative and unbounded?



        The theorem carries through and follows from:




        Let $f$ be a nonnegative, measureable function on a measureable set
        $E$. Then $f = 0$ a.e. if and only if $displaystyle int_E f = 0$.




        The only if part is easily shown by taking $E_0 = {x in E ,, | ,, f(x) = 0}$. We then have



        $$int_E f = int_{E_0} f + int_{E setminus E_0} f$$



        The first integral on the RHS is $0$ since the only bounded, measurable function $h$ of finite support on $E_0$ with $0 leqslant h leqslant f$ has $h(x) = 0$ for all $x in E_0$ and $sup_h int_{E_0} h = 0$. The second integral on the RHS is also $0$ by again applying the definitions and using the fact that the measure of $Esetminus E_0$ is $0$.






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        In many standard textbooks like Real Analysis by Royden and apparently this one, the Lebesgue integral is first defined for bounded measurable functions on a set of finite measure. With these restrictions the function is integrable when upper and lower Lebesgue integrals are equal and the integral is



        $$int_E f = sup left{int_E phi , , | , ,phi text{ simple },,, phi leqslant f right} = inf left{int_E psi , ,| , ,psi text{ simple },,, psi geqslant f right}$$



        The basic properties of the integral like linearity, monotonicity and $f overset{a.e.}= g implies int_E f = int_E g$ are proved often by exploiting the assumptions such as boundedness.



        Later the integral is defined more generally by building on this foundation. For example, for a nonnegative function $f$ that may be unbounded on a set $E$ that may have infinite measure, the integral is defined as



        $$int_E f = sup left{int_E h , , | , ,h text{ bounded, measurable, of finite support },,, 0 leqslant h leqslant f right}$$



        This definition relies on the earlier development of the integral for the bounded function $h$. The basic properties are then shown to extend.



        The proof you included is clearly introduced at a point where the focus is on the Lebesgue integral for bounded, measurable functions defined on a set of finite measure. It uses two results that exploit boundedness.



        (1) Since $f-g$ is bounded and $E$ has finite measure , there exists a simple function $psi$ such that $psi geqslant f-g$ on $E$. This is clear since boundedness implies there exists a number $M$ such that $f - g leqslant M$ on $E$ and $psi = M chi_E$ is a simple function.



        (2) For any simple function $psi geqslant 0$ a.e., we have $int_E psi geqslant 0$. This follows almost directly from the definition of the Lebesgue integral of a simple function.



        What if f,g are nonnegative and unbounded?



        The theorem carries through and follows from:




        Let $f$ be a nonnegative, measureable function on a measureable set
        $E$. Then $f = 0$ a.e. if and only if $displaystyle int_E f = 0$.




        The only if part is easily shown by taking $E_0 = {x in E ,, | ,, f(x) = 0}$. We then have



        $$int_E f = int_{E_0} f + int_{E setminus E_0} f$$



        The first integral on the RHS is $0$ since the only bounded, measurable function $h$ of finite support on $E_0$ with $0 leqslant h leqslant f$ has $h(x) = 0$ for all $x in E_0$ and $sup_h int_{E_0} h = 0$. The second integral on the RHS is also $0$ by again applying the definitions and using the fact that the measure of $Esetminus E_0$ is $0$.







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