How to avoid this type of change of digits in computed numbers?











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Is there a way to avoid the digits being changed?



In[117]:= v=124.58061;
v1=v-0.00024;
v2=v+0.00024;
In[120]:= FullForm[v]
FullForm[v1]
FullForm[v2]
Out[120]//FullForm= 124.58061`
Out[121]//FullForm= 124.58036999999999`
Out[122]//FullForm= 124.58085`
In[123]:= FullForm[Interval[{v1,v2}]]
Out[123]//FullForm= Interval[List[124.58036999999997`,124.58085000000001`]]


I just want 124.58037 and 124.58085 in these outputs. For some other values of v, the Out[122] would also get a small bit change.



How could I avoid the changes? Eventually I want to save these numbers (which is part of a larger structured expression) into files, what's the right way to do it without causing additional changes to the numbers?










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  • 124.58036999999999 is exactly the same as 124.58037 - there is no change in the number. Evaluate SameQ[124.58036999999999, 124.58037] to see. If you are trying to write this number to a file and want it written in a certain way, then the question should clarify that.
    – Jason B.
    2 hours ago










  • Do you realize that the actual numbers are stored as binary64 reals? The change, if you want to call it that, occurs when M displays the numbers as the closest 6-digit approximation. What you see in the Front End is not the actual number.
    – Michael E2
    2 hours ago










  • If it is SameQ, why not using the more intuitive form for both display and writing?
    – qazwsx
    1 hour ago










  • @qazwsx Because Mathematica is not consistent with how it displays numbers to the right of the decimal point. There are plans to make it more consistent in version 12.
    – Robert Jacobson
    1 hour ago















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Is there a way to avoid the digits being changed?



In[117]:= v=124.58061;
v1=v-0.00024;
v2=v+0.00024;
In[120]:= FullForm[v]
FullForm[v1]
FullForm[v2]
Out[120]//FullForm= 124.58061`
Out[121]//FullForm= 124.58036999999999`
Out[122]//FullForm= 124.58085`
In[123]:= FullForm[Interval[{v1,v2}]]
Out[123]//FullForm= Interval[List[124.58036999999997`,124.58085000000001`]]


I just want 124.58037 and 124.58085 in these outputs. For some other values of v, the Out[122] would also get a small bit change.



How could I avoid the changes? Eventually I want to save these numbers (which is part of a larger structured expression) into files, what's the right way to do it without causing additional changes to the numbers?










share|improve this question






















  • 124.58036999999999 is exactly the same as 124.58037 - there is no change in the number. Evaluate SameQ[124.58036999999999, 124.58037] to see. If you are trying to write this number to a file and want it written in a certain way, then the question should clarify that.
    – Jason B.
    2 hours ago










  • Do you realize that the actual numbers are stored as binary64 reals? The change, if you want to call it that, occurs when M displays the numbers as the closest 6-digit approximation. What you see in the Front End is not the actual number.
    – Michael E2
    2 hours ago










  • If it is SameQ, why not using the more intuitive form for both display and writing?
    – qazwsx
    1 hour ago










  • @qazwsx Because Mathematica is not consistent with how it displays numbers to the right of the decimal point. There are plans to make it more consistent in version 12.
    – Robert Jacobson
    1 hour ago













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In[117]:= v=124.58061;
v1=v-0.00024;
v2=v+0.00024;
In[120]:= FullForm[v]
FullForm[v1]
FullForm[v2]
Out[120]//FullForm= 124.58061`
Out[121]//FullForm= 124.58036999999999`
Out[122]//FullForm= 124.58085`
In[123]:= FullForm[Interval[{v1,v2}]]
Out[123]//FullForm= Interval[List[124.58036999999997`,124.58085000000001`]]


I just want 124.58037 and 124.58085 in these outputs. For some other values of v, the Out[122] would also get a small bit change.



How could I avoid the changes? Eventually I want to save these numbers (which is part of a larger structured expression) into files, what's the right way to do it without causing additional changes to the numbers?










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Is there a way to avoid the digits being changed?



In[117]:= v=124.58061;
v1=v-0.00024;
v2=v+0.00024;
In[120]:= FullForm[v]
FullForm[v1]
FullForm[v2]
Out[120]//FullForm= 124.58061`
Out[121]//FullForm= 124.58036999999999`
Out[122]//FullForm= 124.58085`
In[123]:= FullForm[Interval[{v1,v2}]]
Out[123]//FullForm= Interval[List[124.58036999999997`,124.58085000000001`]]


I just want 124.58037 and 124.58085 in these outputs. For some other values of v, the Out[122] would also get a small bit change.



How could I avoid the changes? Eventually I want to save these numbers (which is part of a larger structured expression) into files, what's the right way to do it without causing additional changes to the numbers?







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  • 124.58036999999999 is exactly the same as 124.58037 - there is no change in the number. Evaluate SameQ[124.58036999999999, 124.58037] to see. If you are trying to write this number to a file and want it written in a certain way, then the question should clarify that.
    – Jason B.
    2 hours ago










  • Do you realize that the actual numbers are stored as binary64 reals? The change, if you want to call it that, occurs when M displays the numbers as the closest 6-digit approximation. What you see in the Front End is not the actual number.
    – Michael E2
    2 hours ago










  • If it is SameQ, why not using the more intuitive form for both display and writing?
    – qazwsx
    1 hour ago










  • @qazwsx Because Mathematica is not consistent with how it displays numbers to the right of the decimal point. There are plans to make it more consistent in version 12.
    – Robert Jacobson
    1 hour ago


















  • 124.58036999999999 is exactly the same as 124.58037 - there is no change in the number. Evaluate SameQ[124.58036999999999, 124.58037] to see. If you are trying to write this number to a file and want it written in a certain way, then the question should clarify that.
    – Jason B.
    2 hours ago










  • Do you realize that the actual numbers are stored as binary64 reals? The change, if you want to call it that, occurs when M displays the numbers as the closest 6-digit approximation. What you see in the Front End is not the actual number.
    – Michael E2
    2 hours ago










  • If it is SameQ, why not using the more intuitive form for both display and writing?
    – qazwsx
    1 hour ago










  • @qazwsx Because Mathematica is not consistent with how it displays numbers to the right of the decimal point. There are plans to make it more consistent in version 12.
    – Robert Jacobson
    1 hour ago
















124.58036999999999 is exactly the same as 124.58037 - there is no change in the number. Evaluate SameQ[124.58036999999999, 124.58037] to see. If you are trying to write this number to a file and want it written in a certain way, then the question should clarify that.
– Jason B.
2 hours ago




124.58036999999999 is exactly the same as 124.58037 - there is no change in the number. Evaluate SameQ[124.58036999999999, 124.58037] to see. If you are trying to write this number to a file and want it written in a certain way, then the question should clarify that.
– Jason B.
2 hours ago












Do you realize that the actual numbers are stored as binary64 reals? The change, if you want to call it that, occurs when M displays the numbers as the closest 6-digit approximation. What you see in the Front End is not the actual number.
– Michael E2
2 hours ago




Do you realize that the actual numbers are stored as binary64 reals? The change, if you want to call it that, occurs when M displays the numbers as the closest 6-digit approximation. What you see in the Front End is not the actual number.
– Michael E2
2 hours ago












If it is SameQ, why not using the more intuitive form for both display and writing?
– qazwsx
1 hour ago




If it is SameQ, why not using the more intuitive form for both display and writing?
– qazwsx
1 hour ago












@qazwsx Because Mathematica is not consistent with how it displays numbers to the right of the decimal point. There are plans to make it more consistent in version 12.
– Robert Jacobson
1 hour ago




@qazwsx Because Mathematica is not consistent with how it displays numbers to the right of the decimal point. There are plans to make it more consistent in version 12.
– Robert Jacobson
1 hour ago










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Try this



v=Rationalize[124.58061,0];
v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0];
v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0];
FullForm[v+0.]
FullForm[v1+0.]
FullForm[v2+0.]


which shows me 124.58061, 124.58037 and 124.58085.



But expecting floating point binary math to provide exact decimal results may be an ongoing source of frustration and problems.






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    The Problem



    There are two distinct issues at work:




    1. Why is the result of the simple arithmetic operation different from what you'd expect?

    2. How can we change the display (as opposed to the value) of a decimal number?


    How "Real" numbers are represented internally



    The answer to the first question is simple: Some numbers cannot be exactly represented in binary (base 2) with a finite number of digits, just as $frac{1}{3} = 0.overline{3}$ cannot be expressed in decimal (base 10) with a finite number of digits. Mathematica represents Real numbers internally as a single binary number called a floating point number, or float for short. On most systems, a 64-bit float only holds 53 binary digits for the mantissa (think scientific notation). You can see this for your numbers using RealDigits:



    RealDigits[124.58061, 2, 54]



    {{1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 
    0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1,
    1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, Indeterminate}, 7}



    That last Indeterminate is telling us there are no more known digits, and the 7 says how many digits are to the right of the decimal point (binary point?), a number Mathematica calls Accuracy. The bottom line is, converting from a finite number of decimal digits (what you entered) to a finite number of binary digits (internal representation) and then back again (for display) is not guaranteed to preserve the original input. This is fundamentally unavoidable when using floats.



    How "Real" numbers are displayed



    But with 53 binary digits at our disposal, you have ~14 decimal digits to the right of the decimal point to work with, which is more than enough for your desired 5 sig figs. Now your problem is how Mathematica is choosing to display the numbers to you. Mathematica is not consistent here. None of your three numbers has a terminating binary representation, but that's not apparent from the output of FullForm.



    The Solution



    Change the display



    Since you have plenty of digits of precision to work with, it seems to me you want to change the display of decimal numbers. You can do this with DecimalForm. Here is the wrong way to use DecimalForm:



    In[1]:= v = DecimalForm[124.58061, 9]
    In[2]:= v1=v-0.00024



    Out[1]//DecimalForm = 124.58061
    Out[2]= -0.00024+124.58061



    The number -0.00024 is displayed to 2 sig figs, just as it was entered, while v continues to be displayed with 9 sig figs. Here's the right way:



    In[3]:= DecimalForm[v=124.58061 , 9]
    DecimalForm[v1=v-0.00024, 9]



    Out[3]//DecimalForm= 124.58061
    Out[4]//DecimalForm= 124.58037



    Notice the placement of the = (assignment) operator. Keep in mind this only changes the display of the numbers, not the internal representation.



    Change the internal representation



    Alternatively, you can avoid using Mathematica Real numbers altogether. The best way is to use rationals instead as Bill suggests in his answer.



    In[5]:= v=Rationalize[124.58061,0]
    v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0]
    v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0]



    Out[5]= 12458061/100000
    Out[6]= 12458037/100000
    Out[7]= 2491617/20000



    In each case, Mathematica has just reduced the fraction $displaystyle frac{xcdot 10^5}{10^5}$. The N function will then give you as many decimal digits of precision as you'd like:



    In[8]:= N[v2, 20]



    Out[8]= 124.58085000000000000






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      Try this



      v=Rationalize[124.58061,0];
      v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0];
      v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0];
      FullForm[v+0.]
      FullForm[v1+0.]
      FullForm[v2+0.]


      which shows me 124.58061, 124.58037 and 124.58085.



      But expecting floating point binary math to provide exact decimal results may be an ongoing source of frustration and problems.






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        Try this



        v=Rationalize[124.58061,0];
        v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0];
        v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0];
        FullForm[v+0.]
        FullForm[v1+0.]
        FullForm[v2+0.]


        which shows me 124.58061, 124.58037 and 124.58085.



        But expecting floating point binary math to provide exact decimal results may be an ongoing source of frustration and problems.






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          Try this



          v=Rationalize[124.58061,0];
          v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0];
          v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0];
          FullForm[v+0.]
          FullForm[v1+0.]
          FullForm[v2+0.]


          which shows me 124.58061, 124.58037 and 124.58085.



          But expecting floating point binary math to provide exact decimal results may be an ongoing source of frustration and problems.






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          Try this



          v=Rationalize[124.58061,0];
          v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0];
          v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0];
          FullForm[v+0.]
          FullForm[v1+0.]
          FullForm[v2+0.]


          which shows me 124.58061, 124.58037 and 124.58085.



          But expecting floating point binary math to provide exact decimal results may be an ongoing source of frustration and problems.







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              The Problem



              There are two distinct issues at work:




              1. Why is the result of the simple arithmetic operation different from what you'd expect?

              2. How can we change the display (as opposed to the value) of a decimal number?


              How "Real" numbers are represented internally



              The answer to the first question is simple: Some numbers cannot be exactly represented in binary (base 2) with a finite number of digits, just as $frac{1}{3} = 0.overline{3}$ cannot be expressed in decimal (base 10) with a finite number of digits. Mathematica represents Real numbers internally as a single binary number called a floating point number, or float for short. On most systems, a 64-bit float only holds 53 binary digits for the mantissa (think scientific notation). You can see this for your numbers using RealDigits:



              RealDigits[124.58061, 2, 54]



              {{1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 
              0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1,
              1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, Indeterminate}, 7}



              That last Indeterminate is telling us there are no more known digits, and the 7 says how many digits are to the right of the decimal point (binary point?), a number Mathematica calls Accuracy. The bottom line is, converting from a finite number of decimal digits (what you entered) to a finite number of binary digits (internal representation) and then back again (for display) is not guaranteed to preserve the original input. This is fundamentally unavoidable when using floats.



              How "Real" numbers are displayed



              But with 53 binary digits at our disposal, you have ~14 decimal digits to the right of the decimal point to work with, which is more than enough for your desired 5 sig figs. Now your problem is how Mathematica is choosing to display the numbers to you. Mathematica is not consistent here. None of your three numbers has a terminating binary representation, but that's not apparent from the output of FullForm.



              The Solution



              Change the display



              Since you have plenty of digits of precision to work with, it seems to me you want to change the display of decimal numbers. You can do this with DecimalForm. Here is the wrong way to use DecimalForm:



              In[1]:= v = DecimalForm[124.58061, 9]
              In[2]:= v1=v-0.00024



              Out[1]//DecimalForm = 124.58061
              Out[2]= -0.00024+124.58061



              The number -0.00024 is displayed to 2 sig figs, just as it was entered, while v continues to be displayed with 9 sig figs. Here's the right way:



              In[3]:= DecimalForm[v=124.58061 , 9]
              DecimalForm[v1=v-0.00024, 9]



              Out[3]//DecimalForm= 124.58061
              Out[4]//DecimalForm= 124.58037



              Notice the placement of the = (assignment) operator. Keep in mind this only changes the display of the numbers, not the internal representation.



              Change the internal representation



              Alternatively, you can avoid using Mathematica Real numbers altogether. The best way is to use rationals instead as Bill suggests in his answer.



              In[5]:= v=Rationalize[124.58061,0]
              v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0]
              v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0]



              Out[5]= 12458061/100000
              Out[6]= 12458037/100000
              Out[7]= 2491617/20000



              In each case, Mathematica has just reduced the fraction $displaystyle frac{xcdot 10^5}{10^5}$. The N function will then give you as many decimal digits of precision as you'd like:



              In[8]:= N[v2, 20]



              Out[8]= 124.58085000000000000






              share|improve this answer

























                up vote
                1
                down vote













                The Problem



                There are two distinct issues at work:




                1. Why is the result of the simple arithmetic operation different from what you'd expect?

                2. How can we change the display (as opposed to the value) of a decimal number?


                How "Real" numbers are represented internally



                The answer to the first question is simple: Some numbers cannot be exactly represented in binary (base 2) with a finite number of digits, just as $frac{1}{3} = 0.overline{3}$ cannot be expressed in decimal (base 10) with a finite number of digits. Mathematica represents Real numbers internally as a single binary number called a floating point number, or float for short. On most systems, a 64-bit float only holds 53 binary digits for the mantissa (think scientific notation). You can see this for your numbers using RealDigits:



                RealDigits[124.58061, 2, 54]



                {{1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 
                0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1,
                1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, Indeterminate}, 7}



                That last Indeterminate is telling us there are no more known digits, and the 7 says how many digits are to the right of the decimal point (binary point?), a number Mathematica calls Accuracy. The bottom line is, converting from a finite number of decimal digits (what you entered) to a finite number of binary digits (internal representation) and then back again (for display) is not guaranteed to preserve the original input. This is fundamentally unavoidable when using floats.



                How "Real" numbers are displayed



                But with 53 binary digits at our disposal, you have ~14 decimal digits to the right of the decimal point to work with, which is more than enough for your desired 5 sig figs. Now your problem is how Mathematica is choosing to display the numbers to you. Mathematica is not consistent here. None of your three numbers has a terminating binary representation, but that's not apparent from the output of FullForm.



                The Solution



                Change the display



                Since you have plenty of digits of precision to work with, it seems to me you want to change the display of decimal numbers. You can do this with DecimalForm. Here is the wrong way to use DecimalForm:



                In[1]:= v = DecimalForm[124.58061, 9]
                In[2]:= v1=v-0.00024



                Out[1]//DecimalForm = 124.58061
                Out[2]= -0.00024+124.58061



                The number -0.00024 is displayed to 2 sig figs, just as it was entered, while v continues to be displayed with 9 sig figs. Here's the right way:



                In[3]:= DecimalForm[v=124.58061 , 9]
                DecimalForm[v1=v-0.00024, 9]



                Out[3]//DecimalForm= 124.58061
                Out[4]//DecimalForm= 124.58037



                Notice the placement of the = (assignment) operator. Keep in mind this only changes the display of the numbers, not the internal representation.



                Change the internal representation



                Alternatively, you can avoid using Mathematica Real numbers altogether. The best way is to use rationals instead as Bill suggests in his answer.



                In[5]:= v=Rationalize[124.58061,0]
                v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0]
                v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0]



                Out[5]= 12458061/100000
                Out[6]= 12458037/100000
                Out[7]= 2491617/20000



                In each case, Mathematica has just reduced the fraction $displaystyle frac{xcdot 10^5}{10^5}$. The N function will then give you as many decimal digits of precision as you'd like:



                In[8]:= N[v2, 20]



                Out[8]= 124.58085000000000000






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                  up vote
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                  up vote
                  1
                  down vote









                  The Problem



                  There are two distinct issues at work:




                  1. Why is the result of the simple arithmetic operation different from what you'd expect?

                  2. How can we change the display (as opposed to the value) of a decimal number?


                  How "Real" numbers are represented internally



                  The answer to the first question is simple: Some numbers cannot be exactly represented in binary (base 2) with a finite number of digits, just as $frac{1}{3} = 0.overline{3}$ cannot be expressed in decimal (base 10) with a finite number of digits. Mathematica represents Real numbers internally as a single binary number called a floating point number, or float for short. On most systems, a 64-bit float only holds 53 binary digits for the mantissa (think scientific notation). You can see this for your numbers using RealDigits:



                  RealDigits[124.58061, 2, 54]



                  {{1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 
                  0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1,
                  1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, Indeterminate}, 7}



                  That last Indeterminate is telling us there are no more known digits, and the 7 says how many digits are to the right of the decimal point (binary point?), a number Mathematica calls Accuracy. The bottom line is, converting from a finite number of decimal digits (what you entered) to a finite number of binary digits (internal representation) and then back again (for display) is not guaranteed to preserve the original input. This is fundamentally unavoidable when using floats.



                  How "Real" numbers are displayed



                  But with 53 binary digits at our disposal, you have ~14 decimal digits to the right of the decimal point to work with, which is more than enough for your desired 5 sig figs. Now your problem is how Mathematica is choosing to display the numbers to you. Mathematica is not consistent here. None of your three numbers has a terminating binary representation, but that's not apparent from the output of FullForm.



                  The Solution



                  Change the display



                  Since you have plenty of digits of precision to work with, it seems to me you want to change the display of decimal numbers. You can do this with DecimalForm. Here is the wrong way to use DecimalForm:



                  In[1]:= v = DecimalForm[124.58061, 9]
                  In[2]:= v1=v-0.00024



                  Out[1]//DecimalForm = 124.58061
                  Out[2]= -0.00024+124.58061



                  The number -0.00024 is displayed to 2 sig figs, just as it was entered, while v continues to be displayed with 9 sig figs. Here's the right way:



                  In[3]:= DecimalForm[v=124.58061 , 9]
                  DecimalForm[v1=v-0.00024, 9]



                  Out[3]//DecimalForm= 124.58061
                  Out[4]//DecimalForm= 124.58037



                  Notice the placement of the = (assignment) operator. Keep in mind this only changes the display of the numbers, not the internal representation.



                  Change the internal representation



                  Alternatively, you can avoid using Mathematica Real numbers altogether. The best way is to use rationals instead as Bill suggests in his answer.



                  In[5]:= v=Rationalize[124.58061,0]
                  v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0]
                  v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0]



                  Out[5]= 12458061/100000
                  Out[6]= 12458037/100000
                  Out[7]= 2491617/20000



                  In each case, Mathematica has just reduced the fraction $displaystyle frac{xcdot 10^5}{10^5}$. The N function will then give you as many decimal digits of precision as you'd like:



                  In[8]:= N[v2, 20]



                  Out[8]= 124.58085000000000000






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                  The Problem



                  There are two distinct issues at work:




                  1. Why is the result of the simple arithmetic operation different from what you'd expect?

                  2. How can we change the display (as opposed to the value) of a decimal number?


                  How "Real" numbers are represented internally



                  The answer to the first question is simple: Some numbers cannot be exactly represented in binary (base 2) with a finite number of digits, just as $frac{1}{3} = 0.overline{3}$ cannot be expressed in decimal (base 10) with a finite number of digits. Mathematica represents Real numbers internally as a single binary number called a floating point number, or float for short. On most systems, a 64-bit float only holds 53 binary digits for the mantissa (think scientific notation). You can see this for your numbers using RealDigits:



                  RealDigits[124.58061, 2, 54]



                  {{1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 
                  0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1,
                  1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, Indeterminate}, 7}



                  That last Indeterminate is telling us there are no more known digits, and the 7 says how many digits are to the right of the decimal point (binary point?), a number Mathematica calls Accuracy. The bottom line is, converting from a finite number of decimal digits (what you entered) to a finite number of binary digits (internal representation) and then back again (for display) is not guaranteed to preserve the original input. This is fundamentally unavoidable when using floats.



                  How "Real" numbers are displayed



                  But with 53 binary digits at our disposal, you have ~14 decimal digits to the right of the decimal point to work with, which is more than enough for your desired 5 sig figs. Now your problem is how Mathematica is choosing to display the numbers to you. Mathematica is not consistent here. None of your three numbers has a terminating binary representation, but that's not apparent from the output of FullForm.



                  The Solution



                  Change the display



                  Since you have plenty of digits of precision to work with, it seems to me you want to change the display of decimal numbers. You can do this with DecimalForm. Here is the wrong way to use DecimalForm:



                  In[1]:= v = DecimalForm[124.58061, 9]
                  In[2]:= v1=v-0.00024



                  Out[1]//DecimalForm = 124.58061
                  Out[2]= -0.00024+124.58061



                  The number -0.00024 is displayed to 2 sig figs, just as it was entered, while v continues to be displayed with 9 sig figs. Here's the right way:



                  In[3]:= DecimalForm[v=124.58061 , 9]
                  DecimalForm[v1=v-0.00024, 9]



                  Out[3]//DecimalForm= 124.58061
                  Out[4]//DecimalForm= 124.58037



                  Notice the placement of the = (assignment) operator. Keep in mind this only changes the display of the numbers, not the internal representation.



                  Change the internal representation



                  Alternatively, you can avoid using Mathematica Real numbers altogether. The best way is to use rationals instead as Bill suggests in his answer.



                  In[5]:= v=Rationalize[124.58061,0]
                  v1=v-Rationalize[0.00024,0]
                  v2=v+Rationalize[0.00024,0]



                  Out[5]= 12458061/100000
                  Out[6]= 12458037/100000
                  Out[7]= 2491617/20000



                  In each case, Mathematica has just reduced the fraction $displaystyle frac{xcdot 10^5}{10^5}$. The N function will then give you as many decimal digits of precision as you'd like:



                  In[8]:= N[v2, 20]



                  Out[8]= 124.58085000000000000







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