Equivalent condition for a group to be cyclic [duplicate]
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Show that a group $G$ is cyclic if and only if every subgroup of $G$ has the form of $G^k$.
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Group $G$ is cyclic $iff $
Every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ for some $m in mathbb N$.
$G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ means $forall x in G^m, exists, g in G$ s.t. $x=g^m$.
$Rightarrow$ is trivial.$,$What about $Leftarrow$?
My idea:$,$If $G$ is infinite group, it's not very hard.
Suppose $a in G$ has infinite order, $langle arangle=G^m$ for some $m>0$, then $exists , b in G$ s.t. $a=b^m$. Then $langle brangle=G^n$ for some $n>0$, then $exists , c in G$ s.t. $b=c^n$. Since $c^m in G^m = langle arangle$, $exists ,i in mathbb N $ s.t. $c^m=a^i=b^{mi}=c^{nmi}$. $c$ clearly has infinite order, so $m=nmi$, $1=ni,n=1$.$langle brangle=G$ is cyclic.
So what if $G$ is finite?
Thanks for your time and help :)
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Show that a group $G$ is cyclic if and only if every subgroup of $G$ has the form of $G^k$.
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Group $G$ is cyclic $iff $
Every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ for some $m in mathbb N$.
$G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ means $forall x in G^m, exists, g in G$ s.t. $x=g^m$.
$Rightarrow$ is trivial.$,$What about $Leftarrow$?
My idea:$,$If $G$ is infinite group, it's not very hard.
Suppose $a in G$ has infinite order, $langle arangle=G^m$ for some $m>0$, then $exists , b in G$ s.t. $a=b^m$. Then $langle brangle=G^n$ for some $n>0$, then $exists , c in G$ s.t. $b=c^n$. Since $c^m in G^m = langle arangle$, $exists ,i in mathbb N $ s.t. $c^m=a^i=b^{mi}=c^{nmi}$. $c$ clearly has infinite order, so $m=nmi$, $1=ni,n=1$.$langle brangle=G$ is cyclic.
So what if $G$ is finite?
Thanks for your time and help :)
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"Any subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$, $m in mathbb N$." What does that mean though? That every subgroup is cyclic?
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– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:02
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@the_fox No. For example, $x in G^m$ means $exists g in G$ s.t. $g^m = x$.
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– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Could it be that for every subgroup$H subset G$, there is $ m in mathbb{N}$ such that $H cong G^m$.
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– nafhgood
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Then you need to specify ranges for $m$. Otherwise, for all groups $G$ and all $x in G$ it is trivially true that $x in G^1$ (just take $g=x$).
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– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:11
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@the_fox For $m=1$, that's ture. But the condition is for "every" subgroup of $G$.
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Show that a group $G$ is cyclic if and only if every subgroup of $G$ has the form of $G^k$.
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Group $G$ is cyclic $iff $
Every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ for some $m in mathbb N$.
$G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ means $forall x in G^m, exists, g in G$ s.t. $x=g^m$.
$Rightarrow$ is trivial.$,$What about $Leftarrow$?
My idea:$,$If $G$ is infinite group, it's not very hard.
Suppose $a in G$ has infinite order, $langle arangle=G^m$ for some $m>0$, then $exists , b in G$ s.t. $a=b^m$. Then $langle brangle=G^n$ for some $n>0$, then $exists , c in G$ s.t. $b=c^n$. Since $c^m in G^m = langle arangle$, $exists ,i in mathbb N $ s.t. $c^m=a^i=b^{mi}=c^{nmi}$. $c$ clearly has infinite order, so $m=nmi$, $1=ni,n=1$.$langle brangle=G$ is cyclic.
So what if $G$ is finite?
Thanks for your time and help :)
abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups cyclic-groups
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Show that a group $G$ is cyclic if and only if every subgroup of $G$ has the form of $G^k$.
2 answers
Group $G$ is cyclic $iff $
Every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ for some $m in mathbb N$.
$G^m = {g^m | gin G}$ means $forall x in G^m, exists, g in G$ s.t. $x=g^m$.
$Rightarrow$ is trivial.$,$What about $Leftarrow$?
My idea:$,$If $G$ is infinite group, it's not very hard.
Suppose $a in G$ has infinite order, $langle arangle=G^m$ for some $m>0$, then $exists , b in G$ s.t. $a=b^m$. Then $langle brangle=G^n$ for some $n>0$, then $exists , c in G$ s.t. $b=c^n$. Since $c^m in G^m = langle arangle$, $exists ,i in mathbb N $ s.t. $c^m=a^i=b^{mi}=c^{nmi}$. $c$ clearly has infinite order, so $m=nmi$, $1=ni,n=1$.$langle brangle=G$ is cyclic.
So what if $G$ is finite?
Thanks for your time and help :)
This question already has an answer here:
Show that a group $G$ is cyclic if and only if every subgroup of $G$ has the form of $G^k$.
2 answers
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abstract-algebra group-theory finite-groups cyclic-groups
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"Any subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$, $m in mathbb N$." What does that mean though? That every subgroup is cyclic?
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– the_fox
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@the_fox No. For example, $x in G^m$ means $exists g in G$ s.t. $g^m = x$.
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– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Could it be that for every subgroup$H subset G$, there is $ m in mathbb{N}$ such that $H cong G^m$.
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– nafhgood
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Then you need to specify ranges for $m$. Otherwise, for all groups $G$ and all $x in G$ it is trivially true that $x in G^1$ (just take $g=x$).
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– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:11
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@the_fox For $m=1$, that's ture. But the condition is for "every" subgroup of $G$.
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– Andrews
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"Any subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$, $m in mathbb N$." What does that mean though? That every subgroup is cyclic?
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– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:02
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@the_fox No. For example, $x in G^m$ means $exists g in G$ s.t. $g^m = x$.
$endgroup$
– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Could it be that for every subgroup$H subset G$, there is $ m in mathbb{N}$ such that $H cong G^m$.
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– nafhgood
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Then you need to specify ranges for $m$. Otherwise, for all groups $G$ and all $x in G$ it is trivially true that $x in G^1$ (just take $g=x$).
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:11
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@the_fox For $m=1$, that's ture. But the condition is for "every" subgroup of $G$.
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– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:16
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"Any subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$, $m in mathbb N$." What does that mean though? That every subgroup is cyclic?
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– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:02
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"Any subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$, $m in mathbb N$." What does that mean though? That every subgroup is cyclic?
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:02
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@the_fox No. For example, $x in G^m$ means $exists g in G$ s.t. $g^m = x$.
$endgroup$
– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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@the_fox No. For example, $x in G^m$ means $exists g in G$ s.t. $g^m = x$.
$endgroup$
– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Could it be that for every subgroup$H subset G$, there is $ m in mathbb{N}$ such that $H cong G^m$.
$endgroup$
– nafhgood
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Could it be that for every subgroup$H subset G$, there is $ m in mathbb{N}$ such that $H cong G^m$.
$endgroup$
– nafhgood
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Then you need to specify ranges for $m$. Otherwise, for all groups $G$ and all $x in G$ it is trivially true that $x in G^1$ (just take $g=x$).
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:11
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Then you need to specify ranges for $m$. Otherwise, for all groups $G$ and all $x in G$ it is trivially true that $x in G^1$ (just take $g=x$).
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:11
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@the_fox For $m=1$, that's ture. But the condition is for "every" subgroup of $G$.
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– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:16
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@the_fox For $m=1$, that's ture. But the condition is for "every" subgroup of $G$.
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– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:16
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If $G^m$ forms a group, then it is easy to find that $G^m$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$.
Suppose every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m={g^m | gin G}$ for some $min mathbb{N}$, then every subgroup of $G$ is a characteristic subgroup. It follows that $G$ is abelian.
Suppose $G$ is finite. $Gcong mathbb{Z}_{n_1}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$ for some positive integers such that $n_1|n_2|cdots|n_s$. Pick $H = mathbb{Z}_{n_1}cong G^m$ as a subgroup of $G$ for some $minmathbb{N}$ and then the quotient group $G/Hcongmathbb{Z_2}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$. Note that the exponent of $G/H$ is $n_s$, we have $n_s|m$. However, the exponent of $G$ is also $n_s$, which implies that $g^{n_s} = 1$ and so $g^m = 1$ for all $gin G$. It follows that $G^m = {1}$. This makes $s = 1$ and thus $G$ is cyclic.
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If $G^m$ forms a group, then it is easy to find that $G^m$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$.
Suppose every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m={g^m | gin G}$ for some $min mathbb{N}$, then every subgroup of $G$ is a characteristic subgroup. It follows that $G$ is abelian.
Suppose $G$ is finite. $Gcong mathbb{Z}_{n_1}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$ for some positive integers such that $n_1|n_2|cdots|n_s$. Pick $H = mathbb{Z}_{n_1}cong G^m$ as a subgroup of $G$ for some $minmathbb{N}$ and then the quotient group $G/Hcongmathbb{Z_2}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$. Note that the exponent of $G/H$ is $n_s$, we have $n_s|m$. However, the exponent of $G$ is also $n_s$, which implies that $g^{n_s} = 1$ and so $g^m = 1$ for all $gin G$. It follows that $G^m = {1}$. This makes $s = 1$ and thus $G$ is cyclic.
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If $G^m$ forms a group, then it is easy to find that $G^m$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$.
Suppose every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m={g^m | gin G}$ for some $min mathbb{N}$, then every subgroup of $G$ is a characteristic subgroup. It follows that $G$ is abelian.
Suppose $G$ is finite. $Gcong mathbb{Z}_{n_1}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$ for some positive integers such that $n_1|n_2|cdots|n_s$. Pick $H = mathbb{Z}_{n_1}cong G^m$ as a subgroup of $G$ for some $minmathbb{N}$ and then the quotient group $G/Hcongmathbb{Z_2}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$. Note that the exponent of $G/H$ is $n_s$, we have $n_s|m$. However, the exponent of $G$ is also $n_s$, which implies that $g^{n_s} = 1$ and so $g^m = 1$ for all $gin G$. It follows that $G^m = {1}$. This makes $s = 1$ and thus $G$ is cyclic.
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If $G^m$ forms a group, then it is easy to find that $G^m$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$.
Suppose every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m={g^m | gin G}$ for some $min mathbb{N}$, then every subgroup of $G$ is a characteristic subgroup. It follows that $G$ is abelian.
Suppose $G$ is finite. $Gcong mathbb{Z}_{n_1}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$ for some positive integers such that $n_1|n_2|cdots|n_s$. Pick $H = mathbb{Z}_{n_1}cong G^m$ as a subgroup of $G$ for some $minmathbb{N}$ and then the quotient group $G/Hcongmathbb{Z_2}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$. Note that the exponent of $G/H$ is $n_s$, we have $n_s|m$. However, the exponent of $G$ is also $n_s$, which implies that $g^{n_s} = 1$ and so $g^m = 1$ for all $gin G$. It follows that $G^m = {1}$. This makes $s = 1$ and thus $G$ is cyclic.
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If $G^m$ forms a group, then it is easy to find that $G^m$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$.
Suppose every subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m={g^m | gin G}$ for some $min mathbb{N}$, then every subgroup of $G$ is a characteristic subgroup. It follows that $G$ is abelian.
Suppose $G$ is finite. $Gcong mathbb{Z}_{n_1}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$ for some positive integers such that $n_1|n_2|cdots|n_s$. Pick $H = mathbb{Z}_{n_1}cong G^m$ as a subgroup of $G$ for some $minmathbb{N}$ and then the quotient group $G/Hcongmathbb{Z_2}timescdotstimesmathbb{Z}_{n_s}$. Note that the exponent of $G/H$ is $n_s$, we have $n_s|m$. However, the exponent of $G$ is also $n_s$, which implies that $g^{n_s} = 1$ and so $g^m = 1$ for all $gin G$. It follows that $G^m = {1}$. This makes $s = 1$ and thus $G$ is cyclic.
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"Any subgroup of $G$ is like $G^m = {g^m | gin G}$, $m in mathbb N$." What does that mean though? That every subgroup is cyclic?
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– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:02
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@the_fox No. For example, $x in G^m$ means $exists g in G$ s.t. $g^m = x$.
$endgroup$
– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Could it be that for every subgroup$H subset G$, there is $ m in mathbb{N}$ such that $H cong G^m$.
$endgroup$
– nafhgood
Nov 29 '18 at 22:09
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Then you need to specify ranges for $m$. Otherwise, for all groups $G$ and all $x in G$ it is trivially true that $x in G^1$ (just take $g=x$).
$endgroup$
– the_fox
Nov 29 '18 at 22:11
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@the_fox For $m=1$, that's ture. But the condition is for "every" subgroup of $G$.
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– Andrews
Nov 29 '18 at 22:16