What do the positive and negative (+/-) transmit and receive pins mean on Ethernet cables?
So I'm trying to understand the pin layout of an Ethernet port, specifically for 8P8C which to my understanding is the most common. Of the eight pins, only four are apparently used for communication, as depicted below where pin 1 and 2 are TD+ and TD-, and pin 3 and 6 are RD+ and RD-. (Where TD = transmit, RD = receive)
I understand that they're lined up this way due to the cable pairs in the Ethernet cable
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do. Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
For context my goal is to create a full-duplex fiber line and convert it back into an Ethernet cable so I can plug it into my computer, and I want to better understand the difference between the + and - line so I can convert it into an 8P8C connector.
Thanks for your help!
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So I'm trying to understand the pin layout of an Ethernet port, specifically for 8P8C which to my understanding is the most common. Of the eight pins, only four are apparently used for communication, as depicted below where pin 1 and 2 are TD+ and TD-, and pin 3 and 6 are RD+ and RD-. (Where TD = transmit, RD = receive)
I understand that they're lined up this way due to the cable pairs in the Ethernet cable
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do. Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
For context my goal is to create a full-duplex fiber line and convert it back into an Ethernet cable so I can plug it into my computer, and I want to better understand the difference between the + and - line so I can convert it into an 8P8C connector.
Thanks for your help!
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Each and every (-) line is basically like a ground line for that signal (it's not exactly ground but you can think of it like that). It carries the negative voltage for the signal just like the (-) teminal in a flashlight carries the negative voltage of the battery. The reason they do it like this is noise suppression.
– slebetman
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@slebetman (-) isn't ground. It's the complimentary signal to (+). There's no ground in a differential signal.
– Zac67
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That would not be called an ethernet cable, it is UTP cable, and it can be used for ethernet, token ring, POTS, serial, etc. Ethernet runs on a variety of media, including coax, twisted-pair, optical fiber, etc. The standard to which you refer doesn't recognize things like ethernet, only the cable specifications, which when met will allow all types of communication.
– Ron Maupin♦
2 days ago
Note that your pinout is not correct for gigabit ethernet and 10 gigabit ethernet over copper. It is correct for fast ethernet.
– David Schwartz
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So I'm trying to understand the pin layout of an Ethernet port, specifically for 8P8C which to my understanding is the most common. Of the eight pins, only four are apparently used for communication, as depicted below where pin 1 and 2 are TD+ and TD-, and pin 3 and 6 are RD+ and RD-. (Where TD = transmit, RD = receive)
I understand that they're lined up this way due to the cable pairs in the Ethernet cable
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do. Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
For context my goal is to create a full-duplex fiber line and convert it back into an Ethernet cable so I can plug it into my computer, and I want to better understand the difference between the + and - line so I can convert it into an 8P8C connector.
Thanks for your help!
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So I'm trying to understand the pin layout of an Ethernet port, specifically for 8P8C which to my understanding is the most common. Of the eight pins, only four are apparently used for communication, as depicted below where pin 1 and 2 are TD+ and TD-, and pin 3 and 6 are RD+ and RD-. (Where TD = transmit, RD = receive)
I understand that they're lined up this way due to the cable pairs in the Ethernet cable
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do. Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
For context my goal is to create a full-duplex fiber line and convert it back into an Ethernet cable so I can plug it into my computer, and I want to better understand the difference between the + and - line so I can convert it into an 8P8C connector.
Thanks for your help!
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Each and every (-) line is basically like a ground line for that signal (it's not exactly ground but you can think of it like that). It carries the negative voltage for the signal just like the (-) teminal in a flashlight carries the negative voltage of the battery. The reason they do it like this is noise suppression.
– slebetman
2 days ago
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@slebetman (-) isn't ground. It's the complimentary signal to (+). There's no ground in a differential signal.
– Zac67
2 days ago
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That would not be called an ethernet cable, it is UTP cable, and it can be used for ethernet, token ring, POTS, serial, etc. Ethernet runs on a variety of media, including coax, twisted-pair, optical fiber, etc. The standard to which you refer doesn't recognize things like ethernet, only the cable specifications, which when met will allow all types of communication.
– Ron Maupin♦
2 days ago
Note that your pinout is not correct for gigabit ethernet and 10 gigabit ethernet over copper. It is correct for fast ethernet.
– David Schwartz
yesterday
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Each and every (-) line is basically like a ground line for that signal (it's not exactly ground but you can think of it like that). It carries the negative voltage for the signal just like the (-) teminal in a flashlight carries the negative voltage of the battery. The reason they do it like this is noise suppression.
– slebetman
2 days ago
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@slebetman (-) isn't ground. It's the complimentary signal to (+). There's no ground in a differential signal.
– Zac67
2 days ago
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That would not be called an ethernet cable, it is UTP cable, and it can be used for ethernet, token ring, POTS, serial, etc. Ethernet runs on a variety of media, including coax, twisted-pair, optical fiber, etc. The standard to which you refer doesn't recognize things like ethernet, only the cable specifications, which when met will allow all types of communication.
– Ron Maupin♦
2 days ago
Note that your pinout is not correct for gigabit ethernet and 10 gigabit ethernet over copper. It is correct for fast ethernet.
– David Schwartz
yesterday
Each and every (-) line is basically like a ground line for that signal (it's not exactly ground but you can think of it like that). It carries the negative voltage for the signal just like the (-) teminal in a flashlight carries the negative voltage of the battery. The reason they do it like this is noise suppression.
– slebetman
2 days ago
Each and every (-) line is basically like a ground line for that signal (it's not exactly ground but you can think of it like that). It carries the negative voltage for the signal just like the (-) teminal in a flashlight carries the negative voltage of the battery. The reason they do it like this is noise suppression.
– slebetman
2 days ago
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@slebetman (-) isn't ground. It's the complimentary signal to (+). There's no ground in a differential signal.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@slebetman (-) isn't ground. It's the complimentary signal to (+). There's no ground in a differential signal.
– Zac67
2 days ago
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That would not be called an ethernet cable, it is UTP cable, and it can be used for ethernet, token ring, POTS, serial, etc. Ethernet runs on a variety of media, including coax, twisted-pair, optical fiber, etc. The standard to which you refer doesn't recognize things like ethernet, only the cable specifications, which when met will allow all types of communication.
– Ron Maupin♦
2 days ago
That would not be called an ethernet cable, it is UTP cable, and it can be used for ethernet, token ring, POTS, serial, etc. Ethernet runs on a variety of media, including coax, twisted-pair, optical fiber, etc. The standard to which you refer doesn't recognize things like ethernet, only the cable specifications, which when met will allow all types of communication.
– Ron Maupin♦
2 days ago
Note that your pinout is not correct for gigabit ethernet and 10 gigabit ethernet over copper. It is correct for fast ethernet.
– David Schwartz
yesterday
Note that your pinout is not correct for gigabit ethernet and 10 gigabit ethernet over copper. It is correct for fast ethernet.
– David Schwartz
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Twisted pair uses differential signaling - in a pair, one wire is always the negative/complimentary signal of the other. In the simplest example, Transmit+ > Transmit- means 1
and Transmit+ < Transmit- means 0
. Put in another way, each wire is a reference for the other. There is no reference to ground.
For 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX there's a dedicated pair each for transmitting data and receiving data.
With fiber there's no need to compensate EM noise or to remove direct current, so you can just put a data signal on the core. You can buy cheap media converters for connecting e.g. 100BASE-TX and 100BASE-FX, or 1000BASE-T and 1000BASE-LX. Building that yourself is a major project - in addition to the transmission medium, the line code can be quite different for fiber and copper.
[Edit] As Criggie has pointed out, using a modular transceiver (SFP) with a decent switch is preferable to an external media converter.
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
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As Zac67 says, the two wires form a differential pair; the difference in voltage between the two wires is what's significant at the receiving end.
The reason this is done is that it improves resistance to noise. The two wires are twisted together in close proximity, so any electromagnetic interference that hits one wire hits the other wire with almost exactly the same change in voltage, so the differential voltage stays almost identical.
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Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
I don't know how much you know about electronics, so I will explain the background first:
In principle, you need two wires for an electric current to flow. For many types of connections there is one separate wire for each signal and one common wire for all signals. This common wire is typically called "ground" or "earth".
An example: The Centronics printer interface has up to 17 signals while at least 8 of them are used. If you want to "send" some signals to the printer, electrons flow through the 17 wires that represent the 17 signals. The electrons flow back through the "ground" wire.
Many other types of low-frequency computer cables (such as VGA, analogue audio, RS-232, VGA, PS/2 or the power supply) use the same principle: One wire for each signal plus one "ground" wire which is common for all signals.
For high-frequency signals such as Ethernet, DVI, SATA and USB, signals would disturb one another massively when not considering certain effects. One of many things that will cause disturbance is using one common wire for more than one signal.
This means that each signal requires its own two wires.
What do the positive and negative (+/-) transmit and receive pins mean on Ethernet cables?
In such cases "plus" and "minus" are typically only used to distinguish the cables if it is not allowed to exchange them (you are not allowed to exchange "Tx+" and "Tx-").
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Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
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@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
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I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
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Why 2 wires? to protect from interference!
Think of two sea-saws connected together by 2 tight bits of string
to each ends of the sea-saws.
When you move sea-saw No.1, one string pulls and the other releases
as a result sea-saw No.2 mirrors the movement
if interference comes along it pushes or pulls on both strings equally
especially as they are twisted together.
As a result the sea saw doesnt move
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Great question. Zac67 did a great job of answering it, but I'd like to give my own take on it.
Your question revolves around two other, but related questions:
- Why does UTP use a pair of wires?
- Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Both questions have to do with Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The first mainly reduces outbound EMI, the second reduces inbound EMI.
Why does UTP use a pair of Wires?
Voltage applied to a wire emits outbound EMI. If there is only one cable in use, then that isn't much of a problem. But often cables are run alongside many other cables, and the idea of one cable's outbound EMI affecting the transmissions of other wires next to it is undesirable.
The solution devised is to transmit two signals inverse from each other.
For example, presume we need to send a voltage of +5v from one end of a cable to the other. Presume transferring +5v leaks +0.5v to neighboring cables. To offset this, use another wire to transfer the exact opposite: -5v, which will have the effect of also leaking -0.5v to neighboring cables. The combined effect of leaking +0.5v and -0.5v ends up being outbound emission of 0v.
(It isn't a perfect net 0 emission, but you can see the concept).
This is referred to in the electrical engineering world as a Balanced Pair, and is represented in twisted-pair wiring with the TX+ and TX- wire.
This allows you to use wiring schemes that don’t require heavy investments in shielding, and is a part of the reason for the prolific use of Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) cabling instead of Shielded Twisted Pair (STP)
So far we’ve only answered why we use a pair of wires, we will look into why they are twisted next.
Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Despite the strategy above of using a Balanced Pair, there is no avoiding the fact that any electrical wire will be exposed to some amount of inbound EMI. To offset this, another strategy was devised to reduce the absorbed EMI on a Balanced Pair.
The strategy revolves around the fact that the EMI interference will be greater the closer a wire is to the source. If two wires, who are sending the opposite voltage on a wire, "take turns" being closest to the source, they will both be exposed to the same amount of inbound EMI. Allowing the receiving end to extract the intended signal from the EMI.
Here is how that works:
The blue wire starts with +50v, and the green wire starts with the exact inverse, -50v. The source of the EMI is the red circle, and each wave that surrounds the EMI source impacts the wires progressively less and less. If you only add the EMI at each grey dot (the top and bottom of each twist), both wires end up receiving +22v of interference.
Even though the final voltage received on the right side of the wire is different, notice that the difference in voltage is consistent throughout the twisted pair of wires: it is always 100v apart. The EMI affected both wires identically. You could easily calculate the difference of the final values (100v), and display it on a number line to determine the starting voltages were +50v and -50v:
It should be said that the numbers used above were greatly simplified in order to communicate the concept. Typical EMI emission only affects signaling in the range of micro-volts (µV) — which is 1,000,000th of a Volt (V). But the concepts still remain true: because the original and inverse signals are being sent, the net outbound emission is canceled out, and because of the twists, both wires are equally exposed to the same amount of interference.
With all that said, we can speak directly to your questions:
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do.
Are they each carrying their own signal?
Yes, but they are inverse of each other.
Or is one a reference voltage?
Yes, they are a mutual reference for each other.
The images and content above come from this section of an article on Ethernet Wiring on my blog. If you want to learn more about the subject, feel free to take a look.
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Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
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Nothing meaningful. They're just markers. They could've been named whatever, but the plus-minus pair has the advantage of making most people extra careful to not swap them. Which is the whole and only point of marking them apart.
Building your own "stupid" transceiver is rather difficult. If you limit yourself to 10 or 100, you'd need 2 unidirectional fibers. 1000 is quite complex, as you'd need 4 lines that can change direction whenever they feel like. If your goal is to learn, the go for 10. If you want to have something reliable, fast or save money, buy something off the shelf. Used server stuff is cheap, if that's your goal, otherwise new stuff is still affordable.
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In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
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@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
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Zac67's answer is good for why there are two wires per signal.
What they do is complicated, besides transmit/receive of binary data by analog signal, Ethernet mixes in a media sharing protocol which is a huge part of why it has been so successful. Media sharing is how multiple endpoints (users) share the same set physical media for networking. Back in the day before internet protocol, computer networks were created by connecting everyone with the same two wires to communicate. And many protocols were invented to handle the problem of media sharing. The carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD) that made Ethernet is still the preferred protocol for local area networks. But switches have done away with essentially all of the collision problems.
Now if you're not convinced you should just use something off-the-shelf, then you still want to project up your fiber-optic link.
Two ways to go as I see, use the fiber to transmit the analog UTP signal or to transmit the digital data after decoding it from the UTP signal.
You could convert the analog signal from the UTP to transmit over fiber via whatever scheme you're interested and then just pump that signal back into UTP on the other side. This would let you learn about transmission via analog models.
You could alternatively decode the binary from the ethernet and then encode it onto the fiber line by some digital-to-analog signal generation scheme. This will let you use use models to handle both the binary encoding (and decoding) as well as the analog transmission.
You ought to spend some of your research time looking at the IEEE 802.3 standard. It's kinda expensive, but I got it free through my university library. I saw something in there about synchronicity of the two signals, so you might need to make sure you bake that into your project.
Also Wikipedia talks about how the binary is encoded for UTP transmission.
With 100BASE-TX hardware, the raw bits, presented 4 bits wide clocked at 25 MHz at the MII, go through 4B5B binary encoding to generate a series of 0 and 1 symbols clocked at a 125 MHz symbol rate. The 4B5B encoding provides DC equalization and spectrum shaping. Just as in the 100BASE-FX case, the bits are then transferred to the physical medium attachment layer using NRZI encoding. ...
It sounds like a neat project to me.
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With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
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I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
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If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
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Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
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It's doesn't take a attention , it's just the simple thing behind why TX+ and TX - separately...?
If I'm not wrong then A 10BASE-T cabel carry Unidirectional voltage only means transmitter sends two differential voltages, +2.5 V or −2.5 V. So that for there's one link for the Positive voltage (TX+) and For Negative Voltage (TX-) . Same like Transmitted single there are 2 different Voltage links for Receiver side ..
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Twisted pair uses differential signaling - in a pair, one wire is always the negative/complimentary signal of the other. In the simplest example, Transmit+ > Transmit- means 1
and Transmit+ < Transmit- means 0
. Put in another way, each wire is a reference for the other. There is no reference to ground.
For 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX there's a dedicated pair each for transmitting data and receiving data.
With fiber there's no need to compensate EM noise or to remove direct current, so you can just put a data signal on the core. You can buy cheap media converters for connecting e.g. 100BASE-TX and 100BASE-FX, or 1000BASE-T and 1000BASE-LX. Building that yourself is a major project - in addition to the transmission medium, the line code can be quite different for fiber and copper.
[Edit] As Criggie has pointed out, using a modular transceiver (SFP) with a decent switch is preferable to an external media converter.
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
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Twisted pair uses differential signaling - in a pair, one wire is always the negative/complimentary signal of the other. In the simplest example, Transmit+ > Transmit- means 1
and Transmit+ < Transmit- means 0
. Put in another way, each wire is a reference for the other. There is no reference to ground.
For 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX there's a dedicated pair each for transmitting data and receiving data.
With fiber there's no need to compensate EM noise or to remove direct current, so you can just put a data signal on the core. You can buy cheap media converters for connecting e.g. 100BASE-TX and 100BASE-FX, or 1000BASE-T and 1000BASE-LX. Building that yourself is a major project - in addition to the transmission medium, the line code can be quite different for fiber and copper.
[Edit] As Criggie has pointed out, using a modular transceiver (SFP) with a decent switch is preferable to an external media converter.
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
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Twisted pair uses differential signaling - in a pair, one wire is always the negative/complimentary signal of the other. In the simplest example, Transmit+ > Transmit- means 1
and Transmit+ < Transmit- means 0
. Put in another way, each wire is a reference for the other. There is no reference to ground.
For 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX there's a dedicated pair each for transmitting data and receiving data.
With fiber there's no need to compensate EM noise or to remove direct current, so you can just put a data signal on the core. You can buy cheap media converters for connecting e.g. 100BASE-TX and 100BASE-FX, or 1000BASE-T and 1000BASE-LX. Building that yourself is a major project - in addition to the transmission medium, the line code can be quite different for fiber and copper.
[Edit] As Criggie has pointed out, using a modular transceiver (SFP) with a decent switch is preferable to an external media converter.
Twisted pair uses differential signaling - in a pair, one wire is always the negative/complimentary signal of the other. In the simplest example, Transmit+ > Transmit- means 1
and Transmit+ < Transmit- means 0
. Put in another way, each wire is a reference for the other. There is no reference to ground.
For 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX there's a dedicated pair each for transmitting data and receiving data.
With fiber there's no need to compensate EM noise or to remove direct current, so you can just put a data signal on the core. You can buy cheap media converters for connecting e.g. 100BASE-TX and 100BASE-FX, or 1000BASE-T and 1000BASE-LX. Building that yourself is a major project - in addition to the transmission medium, the line code can be quite different for fiber and copper.
[Edit] As Criggie has pointed out, using a modular transceiver (SFP) with a decent switch is preferable to an external media converter.
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
– Criggie
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+1 a cheaper fibre-optic transceiver will be a better use of time and money. And reliability. They come in "little box" format or if OP's switch/NIC supports modules, a SFP or GBIC interface. Note cheaper ones do not autonegotiate speed - there are 100/1000 Mbit modules and there are fixed 1000 Mbit modules.
– Criggie
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As Zac67 says, the two wires form a differential pair; the difference in voltage between the two wires is what's significant at the receiving end.
The reason this is done is that it improves resistance to noise. The two wires are twisted together in close proximity, so any electromagnetic interference that hits one wire hits the other wire with almost exactly the same change in voltage, so the differential voltage stays almost identical.
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As Zac67 says, the two wires form a differential pair; the difference in voltage between the two wires is what's significant at the receiving end.
The reason this is done is that it improves resistance to noise. The two wires are twisted together in close proximity, so any electromagnetic interference that hits one wire hits the other wire with almost exactly the same change in voltage, so the differential voltage stays almost identical.
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As Zac67 says, the two wires form a differential pair; the difference in voltage between the two wires is what's significant at the receiving end.
The reason this is done is that it improves resistance to noise. The two wires are twisted together in close proximity, so any electromagnetic interference that hits one wire hits the other wire with almost exactly the same change in voltage, so the differential voltage stays almost identical.
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As Zac67 says, the two wires form a differential pair; the difference in voltage between the two wires is what's significant at the receiving end.
The reason this is done is that it improves resistance to noise. The two wires are twisted together in close proximity, so any electromagnetic interference that hits one wire hits the other wire with almost exactly the same change in voltage, so the differential voltage stays almost identical.
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Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
I don't know how much you know about electronics, so I will explain the background first:
In principle, you need two wires for an electric current to flow. For many types of connections there is one separate wire for each signal and one common wire for all signals. This common wire is typically called "ground" or "earth".
An example: The Centronics printer interface has up to 17 signals while at least 8 of them are used. If you want to "send" some signals to the printer, electrons flow through the 17 wires that represent the 17 signals. The electrons flow back through the "ground" wire.
Many other types of low-frequency computer cables (such as VGA, analogue audio, RS-232, VGA, PS/2 or the power supply) use the same principle: One wire for each signal plus one "ground" wire which is common for all signals.
For high-frequency signals such as Ethernet, DVI, SATA and USB, signals would disturb one another massively when not considering certain effects. One of many things that will cause disturbance is using one common wire for more than one signal.
This means that each signal requires its own two wires.
What do the positive and negative (+/-) transmit and receive pins mean on Ethernet cables?
In such cases "plus" and "minus" are typically only used to distinguish the cables if it is not allowed to exchange them (you are not allowed to exchange "Tx+" and "Tx-").
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Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
– Martin Rosenau
yesterday
1
I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
I don't know how much you know about electronics, so I will explain the background first:
In principle, you need two wires for an electric current to flow. For many types of connections there is one separate wire for each signal and one common wire for all signals. This common wire is typically called "ground" or "earth".
An example: The Centronics printer interface has up to 17 signals while at least 8 of them are used. If you want to "send" some signals to the printer, electrons flow through the 17 wires that represent the 17 signals. The electrons flow back through the "ground" wire.
Many other types of low-frequency computer cables (such as VGA, analogue audio, RS-232, VGA, PS/2 or the power supply) use the same principle: One wire for each signal plus one "ground" wire which is common for all signals.
For high-frequency signals such as Ethernet, DVI, SATA and USB, signals would disturb one another massively when not considering certain effects. One of many things that will cause disturbance is using one common wire for more than one signal.
This means that each signal requires its own two wires.
What do the positive and negative (+/-) transmit and receive pins mean on Ethernet cables?
In such cases "plus" and "minus" are typically only used to distinguish the cables if it is not allowed to exchange them (you are not allowed to exchange "Tx+" and "Tx-").
6
Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
– Martin Rosenau
yesterday
1
I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
I don't know how much you know about electronics, so I will explain the background first:
In principle, you need two wires for an electric current to flow. For many types of connections there is one separate wire for each signal and one common wire for all signals. This common wire is typically called "ground" or "earth".
An example: The Centronics printer interface has up to 17 signals while at least 8 of them are used. If you want to "send" some signals to the printer, electrons flow through the 17 wires that represent the 17 signals. The electrons flow back through the "ground" wire.
Many other types of low-frequency computer cables (such as VGA, analogue audio, RS-232, VGA, PS/2 or the power supply) use the same principle: One wire for each signal plus one "ground" wire which is common for all signals.
For high-frequency signals such as Ethernet, DVI, SATA and USB, signals would disturb one another massively when not considering certain effects. One of many things that will cause disturbance is using one common wire for more than one signal.
This means that each signal requires its own two wires.
What do the positive and negative (+/-) transmit and receive pins mean on Ethernet cables?
In such cases "plus" and "minus" are typically only used to distinguish the cables if it is not allowed to exchange them (you are not allowed to exchange "Tx+" and "Tx-").
Are they each carrying their own signal? Or is one a reference voltage?
I don't know how much you know about electronics, so I will explain the background first:
In principle, you need two wires for an electric current to flow. For many types of connections there is one separate wire for each signal and one common wire for all signals. This common wire is typically called "ground" or "earth".
An example: The Centronics printer interface has up to 17 signals while at least 8 of them are used. If you want to "send" some signals to the printer, electrons flow through the 17 wires that represent the 17 signals. The electrons flow back through the "ground" wire.
Many other types of low-frequency computer cables (such as VGA, analogue audio, RS-232, VGA, PS/2 or the power supply) use the same principle: One wire for each signal plus one "ground" wire which is common for all signals.
For high-frequency signals such as Ethernet, DVI, SATA and USB, signals would disturb one another massively when not considering certain effects. One of many things that will cause disturbance is using one common wire for more than one signal.
This means that each signal requires its own two wires.
What do the positive and negative (+/-) transmit and receive pins mean on Ethernet cables?
In such cases "plus" and "minus" are typically only used to distinguish the cables if it is not allowed to exchange them (you are not allowed to exchange "Tx+" and "Tx-").
answered 2 days ago
Martin RosenauMartin Rosenau
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Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
– Martin Rosenau
yesterday
1
I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
6
Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
– Martin Rosenau
yesterday
1
I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
– Zac67
yesterday
6
6
Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
– Zac67
2 days ago
Martin, differential signaling doesn't use ground reference at all. What you're describing is single-ended with dedicated return. Ethernet over coax, VGA, USB1/2 are single-ended while Ethernet over TP, DVI, SATA and USB3+ are differential.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
– Martin Rosenau
yesterday
@Zac67 No, what I describe may be a dedicated ground or "real" differential signalling. In both cases the electron flow through one wire works the way I described it. (Indeed, many of my examples are not a correct because on the USB bus - for example - the plus and minus lines are also measured against ground.) However, even when you have "real" differential signal like Ethernet or CAN, you may define that one signal (e.g. "Tx+") is your auxiliary "ground" signal. If you do so, the other signal ("Tx-") is relative to (auxiliary) ground by definition.
– Martin Rosenau
yesterday
1
1
I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
– Zac67
yesterday
I can understand that - but the difference is that a differential signal has no ground reference. If you try to build an interface assuming that it'll fail.
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
Why 2 wires? to protect from interference!
Think of two sea-saws connected together by 2 tight bits of string
to each ends of the sea-saws.
When you move sea-saw No.1, one string pulls and the other releases
as a result sea-saw No.2 mirrors the movement
if interference comes along it pushes or pulls on both strings equally
especially as they are twisted together.
As a result the sea saw doesnt move
chris
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Why 2 wires? to protect from interference!
Think of two sea-saws connected together by 2 tight bits of string
to each ends of the sea-saws.
When you move sea-saw No.1, one string pulls and the other releases
as a result sea-saw No.2 mirrors the movement
if interference comes along it pushes or pulls on both strings equally
especially as they are twisted together.
As a result the sea saw doesnt move
chris
New contributor
add a comment |
Why 2 wires? to protect from interference!
Think of two sea-saws connected together by 2 tight bits of string
to each ends of the sea-saws.
When you move sea-saw No.1, one string pulls and the other releases
as a result sea-saw No.2 mirrors the movement
if interference comes along it pushes or pulls on both strings equally
especially as they are twisted together.
As a result the sea saw doesnt move
chris
New contributor
Why 2 wires? to protect from interference!
Think of two sea-saws connected together by 2 tight bits of string
to each ends of the sea-saws.
When you move sea-saw No.1, one string pulls and the other releases
as a result sea-saw No.2 mirrors the movement
if interference comes along it pushes or pulls on both strings equally
especially as they are twisted together.
As a result the sea saw doesnt move
chris
New contributor
edited 2 days ago
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answered 2 days ago
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Great question. Zac67 did a great job of answering it, but I'd like to give my own take on it.
Your question revolves around two other, but related questions:
- Why does UTP use a pair of wires?
- Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Both questions have to do with Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The first mainly reduces outbound EMI, the second reduces inbound EMI.
Why does UTP use a pair of Wires?
Voltage applied to a wire emits outbound EMI. If there is only one cable in use, then that isn't much of a problem. But often cables are run alongside many other cables, and the idea of one cable's outbound EMI affecting the transmissions of other wires next to it is undesirable.
The solution devised is to transmit two signals inverse from each other.
For example, presume we need to send a voltage of +5v from one end of a cable to the other. Presume transferring +5v leaks +0.5v to neighboring cables. To offset this, use another wire to transfer the exact opposite: -5v, which will have the effect of also leaking -0.5v to neighboring cables. The combined effect of leaking +0.5v and -0.5v ends up being outbound emission of 0v.
(It isn't a perfect net 0 emission, but you can see the concept).
This is referred to in the electrical engineering world as a Balanced Pair, and is represented in twisted-pair wiring with the TX+ and TX- wire.
This allows you to use wiring schemes that don’t require heavy investments in shielding, and is a part of the reason for the prolific use of Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) cabling instead of Shielded Twisted Pair (STP)
So far we’ve only answered why we use a pair of wires, we will look into why they are twisted next.
Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Despite the strategy above of using a Balanced Pair, there is no avoiding the fact that any electrical wire will be exposed to some amount of inbound EMI. To offset this, another strategy was devised to reduce the absorbed EMI on a Balanced Pair.
The strategy revolves around the fact that the EMI interference will be greater the closer a wire is to the source. If two wires, who are sending the opposite voltage on a wire, "take turns" being closest to the source, they will both be exposed to the same amount of inbound EMI. Allowing the receiving end to extract the intended signal from the EMI.
Here is how that works:
The blue wire starts with +50v, and the green wire starts with the exact inverse, -50v. The source of the EMI is the red circle, and each wave that surrounds the EMI source impacts the wires progressively less and less. If you only add the EMI at each grey dot (the top and bottom of each twist), both wires end up receiving +22v of interference.
Even though the final voltage received on the right side of the wire is different, notice that the difference in voltage is consistent throughout the twisted pair of wires: it is always 100v apart. The EMI affected both wires identically. You could easily calculate the difference of the final values (100v), and display it on a number line to determine the starting voltages were +50v and -50v:
It should be said that the numbers used above were greatly simplified in order to communicate the concept. Typical EMI emission only affects signaling in the range of micro-volts (µV) — which is 1,000,000th of a Volt (V). But the concepts still remain true: because the original and inverse signals are being sent, the net outbound emission is canceled out, and because of the twists, both wires are equally exposed to the same amount of interference.
With all that said, we can speak directly to your questions:
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do.
Are they each carrying their own signal?
Yes, but they are inverse of each other.
Or is one a reference voltage?
Yes, they are a mutual reference for each other.
The images and content above come from this section of an article on Ethernet Wiring on my blog. If you want to learn more about the subject, feel free to take a look.
1
Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
Great question. Zac67 did a great job of answering it, but I'd like to give my own take on it.
Your question revolves around two other, but related questions:
- Why does UTP use a pair of wires?
- Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Both questions have to do with Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The first mainly reduces outbound EMI, the second reduces inbound EMI.
Why does UTP use a pair of Wires?
Voltage applied to a wire emits outbound EMI. If there is only one cable in use, then that isn't much of a problem. But often cables are run alongside many other cables, and the idea of one cable's outbound EMI affecting the transmissions of other wires next to it is undesirable.
The solution devised is to transmit two signals inverse from each other.
For example, presume we need to send a voltage of +5v from one end of a cable to the other. Presume transferring +5v leaks +0.5v to neighboring cables. To offset this, use another wire to transfer the exact opposite: -5v, which will have the effect of also leaking -0.5v to neighboring cables. The combined effect of leaking +0.5v and -0.5v ends up being outbound emission of 0v.
(It isn't a perfect net 0 emission, but you can see the concept).
This is referred to in the electrical engineering world as a Balanced Pair, and is represented in twisted-pair wiring with the TX+ and TX- wire.
This allows you to use wiring schemes that don’t require heavy investments in shielding, and is a part of the reason for the prolific use of Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) cabling instead of Shielded Twisted Pair (STP)
So far we’ve only answered why we use a pair of wires, we will look into why they are twisted next.
Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Despite the strategy above of using a Balanced Pair, there is no avoiding the fact that any electrical wire will be exposed to some amount of inbound EMI. To offset this, another strategy was devised to reduce the absorbed EMI on a Balanced Pair.
The strategy revolves around the fact that the EMI interference will be greater the closer a wire is to the source. If two wires, who are sending the opposite voltage on a wire, "take turns" being closest to the source, they will both be exposed to the same amount of inbound EMI. Allowing the receiving end to extract the intended signal from the EMI.
Here is how that works:
The blue wire starts with +50v, and the green wire starts with the exact inverse, -50v. The source of the EMI is the red circle, and each wave that surrounds the EMI source impacts the wires progressively less and less. If you only add the EMI at each grey dot (the top and bottom of each twist), both wires end up receiving +22v of interference.
Even though the final voltage received on the right side of the wire is different, notice that the difference in voltage is consistent throughout the twisted pair of wires: it is always 100v apart. The EMI affected both wires identically. You could easily calculate the difference of the final values (100v), and display it on a number line to determine the starting voltages were +50v and -50v:
It should be said that the numbers used above were greatly simplified in order to communicate the concept. Typical EMI emission only affects signaling in the range of micro-volts (µV) — which is 1,000,000th of a Volt (V). But the concepts still remain true: because the original and inverse signals are being sent, the net outbound emission is canceled out, and because of the twists, both wires are equally exposed to the same amount of interference.
With all that said, we can speak directly to your questions:
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do.
Are they each carrying their own signal?
Yes, but they are inverse of each other.
Or is one a reference voltage?
Yes, they are a mutual reference for each other.
The images and content above come from this section of an article on Ethernet Wiring on my blog. If you want to learn more about the subject, feel free to take a look.
1
Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
Great question. Zac67 did a great job of answering it, but I'd like to give my own take on it.
Your question revolves around two other, but related questions:
- Why does UTP use a pair of wires?
- Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Both questions have to do with Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The first mainly reduces outbound EMI, the second reduces inbound EMI.
Why does UTP use a pair of Wires?
Voltage applied to a wire emits outbound EMI. If there is only one cable in use, then that isn't much of a problem. But often cables are run alongside many other cables, and the idea of one cable's outbound EMI affecting the transmissions of other wires next to it is undesirable.
The solution devised is to transmit two signals inverse from each other.
For example, presume we need to send a voltage of +5v from one end of a cable to the other. Presume transferring +5v leaks +0.5v to neighboring cables. To offset this, use another wire to transfer the exact opposite: -5v, which will have the effect of also leaking -0.5v to neighboring cables. The combined effect of leaking +0.5v and -0.5v ends up being outbound emission of 0v.
(It isn't a perfect net 0 emission, but you can see the concept).
This is referred to in the electrical engineering world as a Balanced Pair, and is represented in twisted-pair wiring with the TX+ and TX- wire.
This allows you to use wiring schemes that don’t require heavy investments in shielding, and is a part of the reason for the prolific use of Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) cabling instead of Shielded Twisted Pair (STP)
So far we’ve only answered why we use a pair of wires, we will look into why they are twisted next.
Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Despite the strategy above of using a Balanced Pair, there is no avoiding the fact that any electrical wire will be exposed to some amount of inbound EMI. To offset this, another strategy was devised to reduce the absorbed EMI on a Balanced Pair.
The strategy revolves around the fact that the EMI interference will be greater the closer a wire is to the source. If two wires, who are sending the opposite voltage on a wire, "take turns" being closest to the source, they will both be exposed to the same amount of inbound EMI. Allowing the receiving end to extract the intended signal from the EMI.
Here is how that works:
The blue wire starts with +50v, and the green wire starts with the exact inverse, -50v. The source of the EMI is the red circle, and each wave that surrounds the EMI source impacts the wires progressively less and less. If you only add the EMI at each grey dot (the top and bottom of each twist), both wires end up receiving +22v of interference.
Even though the final voltage received on the right side of the wire is different, notice that the difference in voltage is consistent throughout the twisted pair of wires: it is always 100v apart. The EMI affected both wires identically. You could easily calculate the difference of the final values (100v), and display it on a number line to determine the starting voltages were +50v and -50v:
It should be said that the numbers used above were greatly simplified in order to communicate the concept. Typical EMI emission only affects signaling in the range of micro-volts (µV) — which is 1,000,000th of a Volt (V). But the concepts still remain true: because the original and inverse signals are being sent, the net outbound emission is canceled out, and because of the twists, both wires are equally exposed to the same amount of interference.
With all that said, we can speak directly to your questions:
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do.
Are they each carrying their own signal?
Yes, but they are inverse of each other.
Or is one a reference voltage?
Yes, they are a mutual reference for each other.
The images and content above come from this section of an article on Ethernet Wiring on my blog. If you want to learn more about the subject, feel free to take a look.
Great question. Zac67 did a great job of answering it, but I'd like to give my own take on it.
Your question revolves around two other, but related questions:
- Why does UTP use a pair of wires?
- Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Both questions have to do with Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The first mainly reduces outbound EMI, the second reduces inbound EMI.
Why does UTP use a pair of Wires?
Voltage applied to a wire emits outbound EMI. If there is only one cable in use, then that isn't much of a problem. But often cables are run alongside many other cables, and the idea of one cable's outbound EMI affecting the transmissions of other wires next to it is undesirable.
The solution devised is to transmit two signals inverse from each other.
For example, presume we need to send a voltage of +5v from one end of a cable to the other. Presume transferring +5v leaks +0.5v to neighboring cables. To offset this, use another wire to transfer the exact opposite: -5v, which will have the effect of also leaking -0.5v to neighboring cables. The combined effect of leaking +0.5v and -0.5v ends up being outbound emission of 0v.
(It isn't a perfect net 0 emission, but you can see the concept).
This is referred to in the electrical engineering world as a Balanced Pair, and is represented in twisted-pair wiring with the TX+ and TX- wire.
This allows you to use wiring schemes that don’t require heavy investments in shielding, and is a part of the reason for the prolific use of Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) cabling instead of Shielded Twisted Pair (STP)
So far we’ve only answered why we use a pair of wires, we will look into why they are twisted next.
Why does UTP twist the wires around each other?
Despite the strategy above of using a Balanced Pair, there is no avoiding the fact that any electrical wire will be exposed to some amount of inbound EMI. To offset this, another strategy was devised to reduce the absorbed EMI on a Balanced Pair.
The strategy revolves around the fact that the EMI interference will be greater the closer a wire is to the source. If two wires, who are sending the opposite voltage on a wire, "take turns" being closest to the source, they will both be exposed to the same amount of inbound EMI. Allowing the receiving end to extract the intended signal from the EMI.
Here is how that works:
The blue wire starts with +50v, and the green wire starts with the exact inverse, -50v. The source of the EMI is the red circle, and each wave that surrounds the EMI source impacts the wires progressively less and less. If you only add the EMI at each grey dot (the top and bottom of each twist), both wires end up receiving +22v of interference.
Even though the final voltage received on the right side of the wire is different, notice that the difference in voltage is consistent throughout the twisted pair of wires: it is always 100v apart. The EMI affected both wires identically. You could easily calculate the difference of the final values (100v), and display it on a number line to determine the starting voltages were +50v and -50v:
It should be said that the numbers used above were greatly simplified in order to communicate the concept. Typical EMI emission only affects signaling in the range of micro-volts (µV) — which is 1,000,000th of a Volt (V). But the concepts still remain true: because the original and inverse signals are being sent, the net outbound emission is canceled out, and because of the twists, both wires are equally exposed to the same amount of interference.
With all that said, we can speak directly to your questions:
However what I don't understand is why there's a seperate + and - transmission and receiver line, and what they do.
Are they each carrying their own signal?
Yes, but they are inverse of each other.
Or is one a reference voltage?
Yes, they are a mutual reference for each other.
The images and content above come from this section of an article on Ethernet Wiring on my blog. If you want to learn more about the subject, feel free to take a look.
answered yesterday
EddieEddie
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Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
– Zac67
yesterday
add a comment |
1
Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
– Zac67
yesterday
1
1
Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
– Zac67
yesterday
Excellent - only to add that differential signaling also gets rid of all grounding problems, loop currents etc because it doesn't need ground reference at all. ;-)
– Zac67
yesterday
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Nothing meaningful. They're just markers. They could've been named whatever, but the plus-minus pair has the advantage of making most people extra careful to not swap them. Which is the whole and only point of marking them apart.
Building your own "stupid" transceiver is rather difficult. If you limit yourself to 10 or 100, you'd need 2 unidirectional fibers. 1000 is quite complex, as you'd need 4 lines that can change direction whenever they feel like. If your goal is to learn, the go for 10. If you want to have something reliable, fast or save money, buy something off the shelf. Used server stuff is cheap, if that's your goal, otherwise new stuff is still affordable.
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In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
– Agent_L
2 days ago
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Nothing meaningful. They're just markers. They could've been named whatever, but the plus-minus pair has the advantage of making most people extra careful to not swap them. Which is the whole and only point of marking them apart.
Building your own "stupid" transceiver is rather difficult. If you limit yourself to 10 or 100, you'd need 2 unidirectional fibers. 1000 is quite complex, as you'd need 4 lines that can change direction whenever they feel like. If your goal is to learn, the go for 10. If you want to have something reliable, fast or save money, buy something off the shelf. Used server stuff is cheap, if that's your goal, otherwise new stuff is still affordable.
2
In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
– Agent_L
2 days ago
add a comment |
Nothing meaningful. They're just markers. They could've been named whatever, but the plus-minus pair has the advantage of making most people extra careful to not swap them. Which is the whole and only point of marking them apart.
Building your own "stupid" transceiver is rather difficult. If you limit yourself to 10 or 100, you'd need 2 unidirectional fibers. 1000 is quite complex, as you'd need 4 lines that can change direction whenever they feel like. If your goal is to learn, the go for 10. If you want to have something reliable, fast or save money, buy something off the shelf. Used server stuff is cheap, if that's your goal, otherwise new stuff is still affordable.
Nothing meaningful. They're just markers. They could've been named whatever, but the plus-minus pair has the advantage of making most people extra careful to not swap them. Which is the whole and only point of marking them apart.
Building your own "stupid" transceiver is rather difficult. If you limit yourself to 10 or 100, you'd need 2 unidirectional fibers. 1000 is quite complex, as you'd need 4 lines that can change direction whenever they feel like. If your goal is to learn, the go for 10. If you want to have something reliable, fast or save money, buy something off the shelf. Used server stuff is cheap, if that's your goal, otherwise new stuff is still affordable.
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In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
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In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
– Agent_L
2 days ago
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In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
2 days ago
In 1000BASE-T (and faster) the lanes don't change direction. They're running full-duplex all the time, using hybrids and echo compensation.
– Zac67
2 days ago
@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
– Agent_L
2 days ago
@Zac67 You're right. But it seems that OP is already convinced that full duplex transceiver is a piece of cake so I've tried to phrase the difficulty in a different way. And failed, I'll edit it out.
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Zac67's answer is good for why there are two wires per signal.
What they do is complicated, besides transmit/receive of binary data by analog signal, Ethernet mixes in a media sharing protocol which is a huge part of why it has been so successful. Media sharing is how multiple endpoints (users) share the same set physical media for networking. Back in the day before internet protocol, computer networks were created by connecting everyone with the same two wires to communicate. And many protocols were invented to handle the problem of media sharing. The carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD) that made Ethernet is still the preferred protocol for local area networks. But switches have done away with essentially all of the collision problems.
Now if you're not convinced you should just use something off-the-shelf, then you still want to project up your fiber-optic link.
Two ways to go as I see, use the fiber to transmit the analog UTP signal or to transmit the digital data after decoding it from the UTP signal.
You could convert the analog signal from the UTP to transmit over fiber via whatever scheme you're interested and then just pump that signal back into UTP on the other side. This would let you learn about transmission via analog models.
You could alternatively decode the binary from the ethernet and then encode it onto the fiber line by some digital-to-analog signal generation scheme. This will let you use use models to handle both the binary encoding (and decoding) as well as the analog transmission.
You ought to spend some of your research time looking at the IEEE 802.3 standard. It's kinda expensive, but I got it free through my university library. I saw something in there about synchronicity of the two signals, so you might need to make sure you bake that into your project.
Also Wikipedia talks about how the binary is encoded for UTP transmission.
With 100BASE-TX hardware, the raw bits, presented 4 bits wide clocked at 25 MHz at the MII, go through 4B5B binary encoding to generate a series of 0 and 1 symbols clocked at a 125 MHz symbol rate. The 4B5B encoding provides DC equalization and spectrum shaping. Just as in the 100BASE-FX case, the bits are then transferred to the physical medium attachment layer using NRZI encoding. ...
It sounds like a neat project to me.
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With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
2 days ago
I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
yesterday
If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
yesterday
Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
– Drist
6 hours ago
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Zac67's answer is good for why there are two wires per signal.
What they do is complicated, besides transmit/receive of binary data by analog signal, Ethernet mixes in a media sharing protocol which is a huge part of why it has been so successful. Media sharing is how multiple endpoints (users) share the same set physical media for networking. Back in the day before internet protocol, computer networks were created by connecting everyone with the same two wires to communicate. And many protocols were invented to handle the problem of media sharing. The carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD) that made Ethernet is still the preferred protocol for local area networks. But switches have done away with essentially all of the collision problems.
Now if you're not convinced you should just use something off-the-shelf, then you still want to project up your fiber-optic link.
Two ways to go as I see, use the fiber to transmit the analog UTP signal or to transmit the digital data after decoding it from the UTP signal.
You could convert the analog signal from the UTP to transmit over fiber via whatever scheme you're interested and then just pump that signal back into UTP on the other side. This would let you learn about transmission via analog models.
You could alternatively decode the binary from the ethernet and then encode it onto the fiber line by some digital-to-analog signal generation scheme. This will let you use use models to handle both the binary encoding (and decoding) as well as the analog transmission.
You ought to spend some of your research time looking at the IEEE 802.3 standard. It's kinda expensive, but I got it free through my university library. I saw something in there about synchronicity of the two signals, so you might need to make sure you bake that into your project.
Also Wikipedia talks about how the binary is encoded for UTP transmission.
With 100BASE-TX hardware, the raw bits, presented 4 bits wide clocked at 25 MHz at the MII, go through 4B5B binary encoding to generate a series of 0 and 1 symbols clocked at a 125 MHz symbol rate. The 4B5B encoding provides DC equalization and spectrum shaping. Just as in the 100BASE-FX case, the bits are then transferred to the physical medium attachment layer using NRZI encoding. ...
It sounds like a neat project to me.
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With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
2 days ago
I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
yesterday
If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
yesterday
Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
– Drist
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Zac67's answer is good for why there are two wires per signal.
What they do is complicated, besides transmit/receive of binary data by analog signal, Ethernet mixes in a media sharing protocol which is a huge part of why it has been so successful. Media sharing is how multiple endpoints (users) share the same set physical media for networking. Back in the day before internet protocol, computer networks were created by connecting everyone with the same two wires to communicate. And many protocols were invented to handle the problem of media sharing. The carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD) that made Ethernet is still the preferred protocol for local area networks. But switches have done away with essentially all of the collision problems.
Now if you're not convinced you should just use something off-the-shelf, then you still want to project up your fiber-optic link.
Two ways to go as I see, use the fiber to transmit the analog UTP signal or to transmit the digital data after decoding it from the UTP signal.
You could convert the analog signal from the UTP to transmit over fiber via whatever scheme you're interested and then just pump that signal back into UTP on the other side. This would let you learn about transmission via analog models.
You could alternatively decode the binary from the ethernet and then encode it onto the fiber line by some digital-to-analog signal generation scheme. This will let you use use models to handle both the binary encoding (and decoding) as well as the analog transmission.
You ought to spend some of your research time looking at the IEEE 802.3 standard. It's kinda expensive, but I got it free through my university library. I saw something in there about synchronicity of the two signals, so you might need to make sure you bake that into your project.
Also Wikipedia talks about how the binary is encoded for UTP transmission.
With 100BASE-TX hardware, the raw bits, presented 4 bits wide clocked at 25 MHz at the MII, go through 4B5B binary encoding to generate a series of 0 and 1 symbols clocked at a 125 MHz symbol rate. The 4B5B encoding provides DC equalization and spectrum shaping. Just as in the 100BASE-FX case, the bits are then transferred to the physical medium attachment layer using NRZI encoding. ...
It sounds like a neat project to me.
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Zac67's answer is good for why there are two wires per signal.
What they do is complicated, besides transmit/receive of binary data by analog signal, Ethernet mixes in a media sharing protocol which is a huge part of why it has been so successful. Media sharing is how multiple endpoints (users) share the same set physical media for networking. Back in the day before internet protocol, computer networks were created by connecting everyone with the same two wires to communicate. And many protocols were invented to handle the problem of media sharing. The carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD) that made Ethernet is still the preferred protocol for local area networks. But switches have done away with essentially all of the collision problems.
Now if you're not convinced you should just use something off-the-shelf, then you still want to project up your fiber-optic link.
Two ways to go as I see, use the fiber to transmit the analog UTP signal or to transmit the digital data after decoding it from the UTP signal.
You could convert the analog signal from the UTP to transmit over fiber via whatever scheme you're interested and then just pump that signal back into UTP on the other side. This would let you learn about transmission via analog models.
You could alternatively decode the binary from the ethernet and then encode it onto the fiber line by some digital-to-analog signal generation scheme. This will let you use use models to handle both the binary encoding (and decoding) as well as the analog transmission.
You ought to spend some of your research time looking at the IEEE 802.3 standard. It's kinda expensive, but I got it free through my university library. I saw something in there about synchronicity of the two signals, so you might need to make sure you bake that into your project.
Also Wikipedia talks about how the binary is encoded for UTP transmission.
With 100BASE-TX hardware, the raw bits, presented 4 bits wide clocked at 25 MHz at the MII, go through 4B5B binary encoding to generate a series of 0 and 1 symbols clocked at a 125 MHz symbol rate. The 4B5B encoding provides DC equalization and spectrum shaping. Just as in the 100BASE-FX case, the bits are then transferred to the physical medium attachment layer using NRZI encoding. ...
It sounds like a neat project to me.
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answered 2 days ago
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With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
2 days ago
I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
yesterday
If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
yesterday
Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
– Drist
6 hours ago
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With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
2 days ago
I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
yesterday
If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
yesterday
Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
– Drist
6 hours ago
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With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
2 days ago
With twisted pair, the (physical) media isn't shared - it's always point-to-point. The shared CSMA/CD medium for 10/100 was simulated by repeater hubs which are long obsolete. There's no CSMA/CD in a fully switched network either (which is the rule today).
– Zac67
2 days ago
I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
yesterday
I can still plug a hub into a switch, and the switch will still cooperate with everyone on the hub. It's been a long time since network academy, but I thought that CSMA/CD still exists and has overhead in packet transmit scheduling. Maybe it IS effectively gone and the overhead is mitigated for completely switched networks.
– Drist
yesterday
If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
yesterday
If you plug a repeater hub into a switch your network isn't fully switched any more. On NE only business networks and business-grade hardware is on-topic and I do hope that no repeaters are around there any more. In IEEE 802.3 (2018 is fresh out!), CSMA/CD still exists but is abandoned and deprecated.
– Zac67
yesterday
Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
– Drist
6 hours ago
Wow I didn't find any ethernet hubs for sale in a 2 minute search. So I guess the 12 port 10Base-T hub in my closet is some kind of antique.
– Drist
6 hours ago
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It's doesn't take a attention , it's just the simple thing behind why TX+ and TX - separately...?
If I'm not wrong then A 10BASE-T cabel carry Unidirectional voltage only means transmitter sends two differential voltages, +2.5 V or −2.5 V. So that for there's one link for the Positive voltage (TX+) and For Negative Voltage (TX-) . Same like Transmitted single there are 2 different Voltage links for Receiver side ..
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It's doesn't take a attention , it's just the simple thing behind why TX+ and TX - separately...?
If I'm not wrong then A 10BASE-T cabel carry Unidirectional voltage only means transmitter sends two differential voltages, +2.5 V or −2.5 V. So that for there's one link for the Positive voltage (TX+) and For Negative Voltage (TX-) . Same like Transmitted single there are 2 different Voltage links for Receiver side ..
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It's doesn't take a attention , it's just the simple thing behind why TX+ and TX - separately...?
If I'm not wrong then A 10BASE-T cabel carry Unidirectional voltage only means transmitter sends two differential voltages, +2.5 V or −2.5 V. So that for there's one link for the Positive voltage (TX+) and For Negative Voltage (TX-) . Same like Transmitted single there are 2 different Voltage links for Receiver side ..
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It's doesn't take a attention , it's just the simple thing behind why TX+ and TX - separately...?
If I'm not wrong then A 10BASE-T cabel carry Unidirectional voltage only means transmitter sends two differential voltages, +2.5 V or −2.5 V. So that for there's one link for the Positive voltage (TX+) and For Negative Voltage (TX-) . Same like Transmitted single there are 2 different Voltage links for Receiver side ..
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Each and every (-) line is basically like a ground line for that signal (it's not exactly ground but you can think of it like that). It carries the negative voltage for the signal just like the (-) teminal in a flashlight carries the negative voltage of the battery. The reason they do it like this is noise suppression.
– slebetman
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@slebetman (-) isn't ground. It's the complimentary signal to (+). There's no ground in a differential signal.
– Zac67
2 days ago
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That would not be called an ethernet cable, it is UTP cable, and it can be used for ethernet, token ring, POTS, serial, etc. Ethernet runs on a variety of media, including coax, twisted-pair, optical fiber, etc. The standard to which you refer doesn't recognize things like ethernet, only the cable specifications, which when met will allow all types of communication.
– Ron Maupin♦
2 days ago
Note that your pinout is not correct for gigabit ethernet and 10 gigabit ethernet over copper. It is correct for fast ethernet.
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