What is it called when someone votes for an option that's not their first choice?












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Say we have three candidates: A, B, and C.



Say, a voter wants to vote for C. However, he knows that C can’t win and hence choose A instead.
Hence, in a sense, the voter is “dishonest”. He doesn’t pick his most preferred candidate but strategically chooses the preferred outcome.



What would be the term for that?
I looked for voters dishonesty on Google and couldn’t find it.










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    Say we have three candidates: A, B, and C.



    Say, a voter wants to vote for C. However, he knows that C can’t win and hence choose A instead.
    Hence, in a sense, the voter is “dishonest”. He doesn’t pick his most preferred candidate but strategically chooses the preferred outcome.



    What would be the term for that?
    I looked for voters dishonesty on Google and couldn’t find it.










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      Say we have three candidates: A, B, and C.



      Say, a voter wants to vote for C. However, he knows that C can’t win and hence choose A instead.
      Hence, in a sense, the voter is “dishonest”. He doesn’t pick his most preferred candidate but strategically chooses the preferred outcome.



      What would be the term for that?
      I looked for voters dishonesty on Google and couldn’t find it.










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      Say we have three candidates: A, B, and C.



      Say, a voter wants to vote for C. However, he knows that C can’t win and hence choose A instead.
      Hence, in a sense, the voter is “dishonest”. He doesn’t pick his most preferred candidate but strategically chooses the preferred outcome.



      What would be the term for that?
      I looked for voters dishonesty on Google and couldn’t find it.







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          It’s called tactical voting.



          From Wikipedia:




          In voting methods, tactical voting (or strategic voting or sophisticated voting or insincere voting) occurs, in elections with more than two candidates, when a voter supports another candidate more strongly than their sincere preference in order to prevent an undesirable outcome.







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            I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

            – David Grinberg
            23 hours ago






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            @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

            – Luaan
            14 hours ago






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            @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

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            "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

            – NikoNyrh
            3 hours ago



















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          As Andrew Grimm correctly pointed out it is tactical voting you are looking for. However, I would avoid harsh terms such as dishonest since Wikipedia also mentioned that:




          It has been shown by the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem that any
          single-winner ranked voting method which is not dictatorial must be
          susceptible to tactical voting




          More details are provided by the dedicated Wikipedia page:




          (..) with deterministic ordinal electoral systems that choose a single
          winner. It states that for every voting rule, one of the following
          three things must hold:




          • The rule is dictatorial, i.e. there exists a distinguished voter who can choose the winner; or

          • The rule limits the possible outcomes to two alternatives only; or

          • The rule is susceptible to tactical voting: in certain conditions some voter's sincere ballot may not defend their opinion best.







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            I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

            – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
            yesterday






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            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

            – gerrit
            15 hours ago






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            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

            – Hans Olsson
            12 hours ago








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            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

            – endolith
            10 hours ago








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            I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

            – TemporalWolf
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          In a game theory context, this is kingmaking. The player's goal is to elect C, but once the player starts to lose, the voter influences the outcome of the game (in this case the election).



          This is a common problem with three-player and beyond games. For example, if I were playing UNO and I was losing badly (I had maybe half the deck in my hand), I could start to always change the color to, say, red.



          The problem arises when players' ability to influence the game does not vary directly with their distance from their goals. In some games, the closer you are to losing, the less ability to affect the eventual winner you have, like Monopoly (which has a whole host of other problems of its own, but we'll ignore that).



          Another example would be in many kinds of online games, where you might realise your character doesn't have enough time left to reach some checkpoint, so you go try to knock other characters around and prevent them from reaching the checkpoint.






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          • I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

            – Nuclear Wang
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          • @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

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          • @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

            – Polygnome
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          • It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

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          Dishonesty isn't really the best term. More like 'choosing the lesser of two evils'.



          It happens all the time. No candidate is likely to meet all of an individual's criteria, so they choose the one that meets the most.



          On the other hand, if more people would choose candidate C, they might win. Or, they might draw enough attention to mount a serious challenge in the next election.






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          • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

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          Also referred to as insincere or strategic voting.






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            It’s called tactical voting.



            From Wikipedia:




            In voting methods, tactical voting (or strategic voting or sophisticated voting or insincere voting) occurs, in elections with more than two candidates, when a voter supports another candidate more strongly than their sincere preference in order to prevent an undesirable outcome.







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              I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

              – David Grinberg
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              @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

              – Luaan
              14 hours ago






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              @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

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              "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

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            It’s called tactical voting.



            From Wikipedia:




            In voting methods, tactical voting (or strategic voting or sophisticated voting or insincere voting) occurs, in elections with more than two candidates, when a voter supports another candidate more strongly than their sincere preference in order to prevent an undesirable outcome.







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              I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

              – David Grinberg
              23 hours ago






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              @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

              – Luaan
              14 hours ago






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              @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

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              "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

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            It’s called tactical voting.



            From Wikipedia:




            In voting methods, tactical voting (or strategic voting or sophisticated voting or insincere voting) occurs, in elections with more than two candidates, when a voter supports another candidate more strongly than their sincere preference in order to prevent an undesirable outcome.







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            It’s called tactical voting.



            From Wikipedia:




            In voting methods, tactical voting (or strategic voting or sophisticated voting or insincere voting) occurs, in elections with more than two candidates, when a voter supports another candidate more strongly than their sincere preference in order to prevent an undesirable outcome.








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              I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

              – David Grinberg
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              @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

              – Luaan
              14 hours ago






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              @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

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              "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

              – NikoNyrh
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              I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

              – David Grinberg
              23 hours ago






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              @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

              – Luaan
              14 hours ago






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              @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

              – Nat
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              "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

              – NikoNyrh
              3 hours ago








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            I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

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            I like how it can be called tactical or strategic, considering the two are basically opposite ends of the spectrum.

            – David Grinberg
            23 hours ago




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            @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

            – Luaan
            14 hours ago





            @DavidGrinberg Well, "tactical" and "strategic" mean the same thing to most people. Most people aren't too good at distinguishing short-term and long-term planning, if they even do much planning in the first place.

            – Luaan
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            @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

            – Nat
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            @Luaan They are the same thing, varying only in connotation, subjective to the contextual level of abstraction. This is, all strategies are tactics (for achieving grander strategies), and all tactics are strategies (effected by more primitive tactics). Whether this type of voting is tactical or strategic depends on if you see it as a specific action done to effect a strategy, or if you see it as the strategy itself for achieving some goal. This may matter in context, or either may fit.

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            "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

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            "Well, tactical and strategic mean the same thing to most people." Sadly true, but in general shouldn't we follow the commonly agreed upon terms when it comes to topics like stratetic bombing or tactical advantage? It is the people who are wrong ;)

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            As Andrew Grimm correctly pointed out it is tactical voting you are looking for. However, I would avoid harsh terms such as dishonest since Wikipedia also mentioned that:




            It has been shown by the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem that any
            single-winner ranked voting method which is not dictatorial must be
            susceptible to tactical voting




            More details are provided by the dedicated Wikipedia page:




            (..) with deterministic ordinal electoral systems that choose a single
            winner. It states that for every voting rule, one of the following
            three things must hold:




            • The rule is dictatorial, i.e. there exists a distinguished voter who can choose the winner; or

            • The rule limits the possible outcomes to two alternatives only; or

            • The rule is susceptible to tactical voting: in certain conditions some voter's sincere ballot may not defend their opinion best.







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              I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

              – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
              yesterday






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

              – gerrit
              15 hours ago






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

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              I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

              – TemporalWolf
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            As Andrew Grimm correctly pointed out it is tactical voting you are looking for. However, I would avoid harsh terms such as dishonest since Wikipedia also mentioned that:




            It has been shown by the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem that any
            single-winner ranked voting method which is not dictatorial must be
            susceptible to tactical voting




            More details are provided by the dedicated Wikipedia page:




            (..) with deterministic ordinal electoral systems that choose a single
            winner. It states that for every voting rule, one of the following
            three things must hold:




            • The rule is dictatorial, i.e. there exists a distinguished voter who can choose the winner; or

            • The rule limits the possible outcomes to two alternatives only; or

            • The rule is susceptible to tactical voting: in certain conditions some voter's sincere ballot may not defend their opinion best.







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              I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

              – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
              yesterday






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

              – gerrit
              15 hours ago






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

              – Hans Olsson
              12 hours ago








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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

              – endolith
              10 hours ago








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              I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

              – TemporalWolf
              7 hours ago














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            As Andrew Grimm correctly pointed out it is tactical voting you are looking for. However, I would avoid harsh terms such as dishonest since Wikipedia also mentioned that:




            It has been shown by the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem that any
            single-winner ranked voting method which is not dictatorial must be
            susceptible to tactical voting




            More details are provided by the dedicated Wikipedia page:




            (..) with deterministic ordinal electoral systems that choose a single
            winner. It states that for every voting rule, one of the following
            three things must hold:




            • The rule is dictatorial, i.e. there exists a distinguished voter who can choose the winner; or

            • The rule limits the possible outcomes to two alternatives only; or

            • The rule is susceptible to tactical voting: in certain conditions some voter's sincere ballot may not defend their opinion best.







            share|improve this answer















            As Andrew Grimm correctly pointed out it is tactical voting you are looking for. However, I would avoid harsh terms such as dishonest since Wikipedia also mentioned that:




            It has been shown by the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem that any
            single-winner ranked voting method which is not dictatorial must be
            susceptible to tactical voting




            More details are provided by the dedicated Wikipedia page:




            (..) with deterministic ordinal electoral systems that choose a single
            winner. It states that for every voting rule, one of the following
            three things must hold:




            • The rule is dictatorial, i.e. there exists a distinguished voter who can choose the winner; or

            • The rule limits the possible outcomes to two alternatives only; or

            • The rule is susceptible to tactical voting: in certain conditions some voter's sincere ballot may not defend their opinion best.








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              I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

              – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
              yesterday






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

              – gerrit
              15 hours ago






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

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              12 hours ago








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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

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              I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

              – TemporalWolf
              7 hours ago














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              I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

              – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
              yesterday






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

              – gerrit
              15 hours ago






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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

              – Hans Olsson
              12 hours ago








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              @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

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              I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

              – TemporalWolf
              7 hours ago








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            I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

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            I thought two-round systems of voting weren't susceptible to tactical voting, since you can always vote for your favorite candidate in the first round?

            – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
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            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

            – gerrit
            15 hours ago





            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems certainly are susceptible to tactical voting. See French presidential elections, where the left has so many different parties that two right-wing candidates (far-right and centre-right) make it to the second round. So in the first round, people may tactically support the leftist candidate most likely to reach the second round, even if they support another leftist candidate.

            – gerrit
            15 hours ago




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            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

            – Hans Olsson
            12 hours ago







            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse. People may vote for a candidate they really dislike, and not only for a lesser evil. To take the example of French presidential elections people may vote e.g. for a far left candidate in the first round, hoping to ensure a victory for the candidate they support by having an "easier opponent" in the second round. Similarly people might vote for a bad candidate in open primaries in the US (I believe there were some such accusations last time). Obviously this tactic might backfire spectacularly.

            – Hans Olsson
            12 hours ago






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            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

            – endolith
            10 hours ago







            @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Two-round systems are even worse than FPTP because they mislead people into thinking it's safe to vote honestly for your favorite in the first round, which then suffers terribly from vote-splitting and leads to unrepresentative outcomes. Having a runoff does guarantee that the worst candidate won't be elected, but that doesn't mean much, since they can still elect the second-worst candidate.

            – endolith
            10 hours ago






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            I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

            – TemporalWolf
            7 hours ago





            I'd add that, at least to some ethicists, non-tactical voting is immoral: “The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,”

            – TemporalWolf
            7 hours ago











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            In a game theory context, this is kingmaking. The player's goal is to elect C, but once the player starts to lose, the voter influences the outcome of the game (in this case the election).



            This is a common problem with three-player and beyond games. For example, if I were playing UNO and I was losing badly (I had maybe half the deck in my hand), I could start to always change the color to, say, red.



            The problem arises when players' ability to influence the game does not vary directly with their distance from their goals. In some games, the closer you are to losing, the less ability to affect the eventual winner you have, like Monopoly (which has a whole host of other problems of its own, but we'll ignore that).



            Another example would be in many kinds of online games, where you might realise your character doesn't have enough time left to reach some checkpoint, so you go try to knock other characters around and prevent them from reaching the checkpoint.






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            • I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

              – Nuclear Wang
              12 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

              – user45266
              10 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

              – Polygnome
              2 hours ago











            • It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

              – djechlin
              23 mins ago
















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            In a game theory context, this is kingmaking. The player's goal is to elect C, but once the player starts to lose, the voter influences the outcome of the game (in this case the election).



            This is a common problem with three-player and beyond games. For example, if I were playing UNO and I was losing badly (I had maybe half the deck in my hand), I could start to always change the color to, say, red.



            The problem arises when players' ability to influence the game does not vary directly with their distance from their goals. In some games, the closer you are to losing, the less ability to affect the eventual winner you have, like Monopoly (which has a whole host of other problems of its own, but we'll ignore that).



            Another example would be in many kinds of online games, where you might realise your character doesn't have enough time left to reach some checkpoint, so you go try to knock other characters around and prevent them from reaching the checkpoint.






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            • I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

              – Nuclear Wang
              12 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

              – user45266
              10 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

              – Polygnome
              2 hours ago











            • It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

              – djechlin
              23 mins ago














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            In a game theory context, this is kingmaking. The player's goal is to elect C, but once the player starts to lose, the voter influences the outcome of the game (in this case the election).



            This is a common problem with three-player and beyond games. For example, if I were playing UNO and I was losing badly (I had maybe half the deck in my hand), I could start to always change the color to, say, red.



            The problem arises when players' ability to influence the game does not vary directly with their distance from their goals. In some games, the closer you are to losing, the less ability to affect the eventual winner you have, like Monopoly (which has a whole host of other problems of its own, but we'll ignore that).



            Another example would be in many kinds of online games, where you might realise your character doesn't have enough time left to reach some checkpoint, so you go try to knock other characters around and prevent them from reaching the checkpoint.






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            In a game theory context, this is kingmaking. The player's goal is to elect C, but once the player starts to lose, the voter influences the outcome of the game (in this case the election).



            This is a common problem with three-player and beyond games. For example, if I were playing UNO and I was losing badly (I had maybe half the deck in my hand), I could start to always change the color to, say, red.



            The problem arises when players' ability to influence the game does not vary directly with their distance from their goals. In some games, the closer you are to losing, the less ability to affect the eventual winner you have, like Monopoly (which has a whole host of other problems of its own, but we'll ignore that).



            Another example would be in many kinds of online games, where you might realise your character doesn't have enough time left to reach some checkpoint, so you go try to knock other characters around and prevent them from reaching the checkpoint.







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            • I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

              – Nuclear Wang
              12 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

              – user45266
              10 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

              – Polygnome
              2 hours ago











            • It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

              – djechlin
              23 mins ago



















            • I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

              – Nuclear Wang
              12 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

              – user45266
              10 hours ago











            • @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

              – Polygnome
              2 hours ago











            • It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

              – djechlin
              23 mins ago

















            I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

            – Nuclear Wang
            12 hours ago





            I'd only call it kingmaking if the votes that would have gone to C actually decide the election. If C-voters all vote for A, and A still loses, they haven't done any kingmaking, likewise if A wins and would have won without the C votes. I don't follow your Uno example of kingmaking, as you're not making any decision about which other player you'd like to win (unless you know that someone's last card is not red).

            – Nuclear Wang
            12 hours ago













            @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

            – user45266
            10 hours ago





            @NuclearWang Actually, I meant if maybe you knew that someone's last card was red.

            – user45266
            10 hours ago













            @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

            – Polygnome
            2 hours ago





            @NuclearWang An attempt at kingmaking is still kingmaking (it describes the activity, not the outcome).

            – Polygnome
            2 hours ago













            It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

            – djechlin
            23 mins ago





            It's not really kingmaking if the voter has a second choice. To say voting for your second choice is kingmaking is a contradiction in terms.

            – djechlin
            23 mins ago











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            Dishonesty isn't really the best term. More like 'choosing the lesser of two evils'.



            It happens all the time. No candidate is likely to meet all of an individual's criteria, so they choose the one that meets the most.



            On the other hand, if more people would choose candidate C, they might win. Or, they might draw enough attention to mount a serious challenge in the next election.






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            • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

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              6 hours ago
















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            Dishonesty isn't really the best term. More like 'choosing the lesser of two evils'.



            It happens all the time. No candidate is likely to meet all of an individual's criteria, so they choose the one that meets the most.



            On the other hand, if more people would choose candidate C, they might win. Or, they might draw enough attention to mount a serious challenge in the next election.






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              This is an opinion, and does not answer the question.

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            • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

              – Alexan
              6 hours ago














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            Dishonesty isn't really the best term. More like 'choosing the lesser of two evils'.



            It happens all the time. No candidate is likely to meet all of an individual's criteria, so they choose the one that meets the most.



            On the other hand, if more people would choose candidate C, they might win. Or, they might draw enough attention to mount a serious challenge in the next election.






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            Dishonesty isn't really the best term. More like 'choosing the lesser of two evils'.



            It happens all the time. No candidate is likely to meet all of an individual's criteria, so they choose the one that meets the most.



            On the other hand, if more people would choose candidate C, they might win. Or, they might draw enough attention to mount a serious challenge in the next election.







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            • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

              – Alexan
              6 hours ago














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              This is an opinion, and does not answer the question.

              – MSalters
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            • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

              – Alexan
              6 hours ago








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            This is an opinion, and does not answer the question.

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            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

            – Alexan
            6 hours ago





            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

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