Approximation of the quadratic formula with straightedge and compass
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Given a directrix and a focus (blue), we can define a parabola as illustrated below. We suppose the parabola intersecting the $x$-axis in correspondence of the red dots.
We draw the line perpendicular to the $x$-axis and passing through the focus. This line intersects the $x$-axis in the point $H$ and the directrix in the point $I$. By means of these two points, we can draw two circles: one with center in $H$ and passing through the focus (green), and one with center in $H$ and passing through $I$ (brown).
The directrix intersects the $y$-axis in correspondence of the point $J$. We draw now the tangent to the green circle passing through $J$, obtaining the point $K$ on the brown circle.
If the roots are located inside the green circle, then the circle passing through $(0,0)$, $K$ and $J$ (red) intersects the $x$-axis in a point which lies in close proximity to one of the roots of the parabola.
I tried to find a simple way to connect this construction with the quadratic formula, but I didn't go far. A little help would be greatly appreciated.
Moreover, are you aware of a better geometric construction of the quadratic formula? Is it possible to produce an exact construction with straightedge and compass?
I apologize for the naivety. Thank you very much for your help!
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Given a directrix and a focus (blue), we can define a parabola as illustrated below. We suppose the parabola intersecting the $x$-axis in correspondence of the red dots.
We draw the line perpendicular to the $x$-axis and passing through the focus. This line intersects the $x$-axis in the point $H$ and the directrix in the point $I$. By means of these two points, we can draw two circles: one with center in $H$ and passing through the focus (green), and one with center in $H$ and passing through $I$ (brown).
The directrix intersects the $y$-axis in correspondence of the point $J$. We draw now the tangent to the green circle passing through $J$, obtaining the point $K$ on the brown circle.
If the roots are located inside the green circle, then the circle passing through $(0,0)$, $K$ and $J$ (red) intersects the $x$-axis in a point which lies in close proximity to one of the roots of the parabola.
I tried to find a simple way to connect this construction with the quadratic formula, but I didn't go far. A little help would be greatly appreciated.
Moreover, are you aware of a better geometric construction of the quadratic formula? Is it possible to produce an exact construction with straightedge and compass?
I apologize for the naivety. Thank you very much for your help!
geometry circle quadratics conic-sections geometric-construction
Yes, the exact construction is possible. Mutliplications and divisions are made using homotheties, and square roots (geometric averages) by constructing a height of a right triangle.
– Yves Daoust
2 days ago
@Thanks Yves. So, in your opinion, does it makes sense to look for a better approximation of the above method?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
3
Why not just draw the circle around the focus with radius IH?
– Moti
yesterday
Wow! Great! Yes, it seems a great idea!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Moti ... But then how is this related to the quadratic formula?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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Given a directrix and a focus (blue), we can define a parabola as illustrated below. We suppose the parabola intersecting the $x$-axis in correspondence of the red dots.
We draw the line perpendicular to the $x$-axis and passing through the focus. This line intersects the $x$-axis in the point $H$ and the directrix in the point $I$. By means of these two points, we can draw two circles: one with center in $H$ and passing through the focus (green), and one with center in $H$ and passing through $I$ (brown).
The directrix intersects the $y$-axis in correspondence of the point $J$. We draw now the tangent to the green circle passing through $J$, obtaining the point $K$ on the brown circle.
If the roots are located inside the green circle, then the circle passing through $(0,0)$, $K$ and $J$ (red) intersects the $x$-axis in a point which lies in close proximity to one of the roots of the parabola.
I tried to find a simple way to connect this construction with the quadratic formula, but I didn't go far. A little help would be greatly appreciated.
Moreover, are you aware of a better geometric construction of the quadratic formula? Is it possible to produce an exact construction with straightedge and compass?
I apologize for the naivety. Thank you very much for your help!
geometry circle quadratics conic-sections geometric-construction
Given a directrix and a focus (blue), we can define a parabola as illustrated below. We suppose the parabola intersecting the $x$-axis in correspondence of the red dots.
We draw the line perpendicular to the $x$-axis and passing through the focus. This line intersects the $x$-axis in the point $H$ and the directrix in the point $I$. By means of these two points, we can draw two circles: one with center in $H$ and passing through the focus (green), and one with center in $H$ and passing through $I$ (brown).
The directrix intersects the $y$-axis in correspondence of the point $J$. We draw now the tangent to the green circle passing through $J$, obtaining the point $K$ on the brown circle.
If the roots are located inside the green circle, then the circle passing through $(0,0)$, $K$ and $J$ (red) intersects the $x$-axis in a point which lies in close proximity to one of the roots of the parabola.
I tried to find a simple way to connect this construction with the quadratic formula, but I didn't go far. A little help would be greatly appreciated.
Moreover, are you aware of a better geometric construction of the quadratic formula? Is it possible to produce an exact construction with straightedge and compass?
I apologize for the naivety. Thank you very much for your help!
geometry circle quadratics conic-sections geometric-construction
geometry circle quadratics conic-sections geometric-construction
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Yes, the exact construction is possible. Mutliplications and divisions are made using homotheties, and square roots (geometric averages) by constructing a height of a right triangle.
– Yves Daoust
2 days ago
@Thanks Yves. So, in your opinion, does it makes sense to look for a better approximation of the above method?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
3
Why not just draw the circle around the focus with radius IH?
– Moti
yesterday
Wow! Great! Yes, it seems a great idea!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Moti ... But then how is this related to the quadratic formula?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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Yes, the exact construction is possible. Mutliplications and divisions are made using homotheties, and square roots (geometric averages) by constructing a height of a right triangle.
– Yves Daoust
2 days ago
@Thanks Yves. So, in your opinion, does it makes sense to look for a better approximation of the above method?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
3
Why not just draw the circle around the focus with radius IH?
– Moti
yesterday
Wow! Great! Yes, it seems a great idea!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Moti ... But then how is this related to the quadratic formula?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
Yes, the exact construction is possible. Mutliplications and divisions are made using homotheties, and square roots (geometric averages) by constructing a height of a right triangle.
– Yves Daoust
2 days ago
Yes, the exact construction is possible. Mutliplications and divisions are made using homotheties, and square roots (geometric averages) by constructing a height of a right triangle.
– Yves Daoust
2 days ago
@Thanks Yves. So, in your opinion, does it makes sense to look for a better approximation of the above method?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Thanks Yves. So, in your opinion, does it makes sense to look for a better approximation of the above method?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
3
3
Why not just draw the circle around the focus with radius IH?
– Moti
yesterday
Why not just draw the circle around the focus with radius IH?
– Moti
yesterday
Wow! Great! Yes, it seems a great idea!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
Wow! Great! Yes, it seems a great idea!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Moti ... But then how is this related to the quadratic formula?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Moti ... But then how is this related to the quadratic formula?
– Andrea Prunotto
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Given $y=ax^2+bx+c$.
You know y is a parabola.
It's vertex is $(x_0,y_0)=(frac{-b}{2a},frac{-b^2}{4a}+c)$.
From geometry, we know we have no roots if $y_0>0$ and $a>0$, or if $y_0<0$ and $a<0$. In the first case, all the values of y are positive and therefor never zero. In the second case, all the values are negative and again, never zero.
So if $y_0$ and $a$ have the same sign, then we have no roots. The product of two real numbers is positive iff they have the same sign. So we only have roots if $ay_0<0$. If the product is 0, the vertex is the root and must be a double root by the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.
$frac{-b^2}{4}+ac<0implies b^2-4ac>0$
This is called the discriminant. If its positive, we have two real solutions. If it's 0, we have one root of multiplicity 2, $x=frac{-b}{2a}$. If it's negative, we have two complex roots, but these can't be sorted out geometrically.
So our problem reduces to using straight edge and compass to find roots where the discriminant is positive.
$y=ax^2+bx+c=a(x+frac{b}{2a})^2 +(c-frac{b^2}{4a})$
Let $u=x+frac{b}{2a}$, the signed, horizontal distance from the axis of symmetry, $-b/2a$.
Then $y=au^2+(c-b^2/4a)$
So whatever values of $u$ give $y=0$ gives us a corresponding value of x if we subtract $b/2a$.
Notice $y(u)=y(-u).$ So if $y(u)=0$, then $y(-u)=0$. So each root lies symmetrically about the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
We know $h=c-b^2/4a$ is the height of the vertex above the x axis.
Algebraically, we know $u^2= -h/a$.
$a$ orients the parabola upwards or downwards, and it establishes the scale of the parabola. We wouldn't know we had two roots without knowing the orientation. So for geometric purposes, we can ignore the sign. It can be proven that just as all circles are similar, so are all parabolas. $a$ sets the scale.
What does $u^2=h/a$ mean geometrically?
Ratios like $h/a$ tend to imply the need to use a right triangle with one angle having a tangent equal to $h/a$. On the other hand a square equal to a ratio tends to imply a need to consider the altitude from the right angle to the hypotenuse in a right triangle. The length of the altitude is the golden mean of the length of the segments it cuts the hypotenuse into.
We already have a segment of length $h$. So if we can extend it on the opposite of the x-axis by a length $1/a$, then we know the vertex of the right angle of a right triangle having hypotenuse $h+1/a$ has an x coordinate equal to the root of the equation.
All vertices of a right triangle lie equidistantly from the midpoint of its hypotenuse.
So, use straight edge and compass to bisect the line segment along the y axis. From there, construct a circle centered at that mid point and passing through (0,h). The intersection with the x axis is your root.
So a striaghtedge an compass approach can be used to find a root if you can extend a line away from the vertex along the axis of symmetry a length $1/a$. Not sure how to do that geometrically. Going to think on it.
Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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The construction is in fact trivial. The parabola being the locus of points equidistant to the focus and the directrix, you draw a circle around the focus, with radius equal to the distance between the directrix and axis.
From the geometric definition, the equation of the parabola is
$$(y-y_d)^2=(x-x_f)^2+(y-y_f)^2$$ and you are looking for the points such that $y=0$, or
$$y_d^2=(x-x_f)^2+y_f^2.$$
The solution is obviously
$$x=x_fpmsqrt{y_d^2-y_f^2}$$ where you recognize pieces of the quadratic formula.
Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
1
@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
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Given $y=ax^2+bx+c$.
You know y is a parabola.
It's vertex is $(x_0,y_0)=(frac{-b}{2a},frac{-b^2}{4a}+c)$.
From geometry, we know we have no roots if $y_0>0$ and $a>0$, or if $y_0<0$ and $a<0$. In the first case, all the values of y are positive and therefor never zero. In the second case, all the values are negative and again, never zero.
So if $y_0$ and $a$ have the same sign, then we have no roots. The product of two real numbers is positive iff they have the same sign. So we only have roots if $ay_0<0$. If the product is 0, the vertex is the root and must be a double root by the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.
$frac{-b^2}{4}+ac<0implies b^2-4ac>0$
This is called the discriminant. If its positive, we have two real solutions. If it's 0, we have one root of multiplicity 2, $x=frac{-b}{2a}$. If it's negative, we have two complex roots, but these can't be sorted out geometrically.
So our problem reduces to using straight edge and compass to find roots where the discriminant is positive.
$y=ax^2+bx+c=a(x+frac{b}{2a})^2 +(c-frac{b^2}{4a})$
Let $u=x+frac{b}{2a}$, the signed, horizontal distance from the axis of symmetry, $-b/2a$.
Then $y=au^2+(c-b^2/4a)$
So whatever values of $u$ give $y=0$ gives us a corresponding value of x if we subtract $b/2a$.
Notice $y(u)=y(-u).$ So if $y(u)=0$, then $y(-u)=0$. So each root lies symmetrically about the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
We know $h=c-b^2/4a$ is the height of the vertex above the x axis.
Algebraically, we know $u^2= -h/a$.
$a$ orients the parabola upwards or downwards, and it establishes the scale of the parabola. We wouldn't know we had two roots without knowing the orientation. So for geometric purposes, we can ignore the sign. It can be proven that just as all circles are similar, so are all parabolas. $a$ sets the scale.
What does $u^2=h/a$ mean geometrically?
Ratios like $h/a$ tend to imply the need to use a right triangle with one angle having a tangent equal to $h/a$. On the other hand a square equal to a ratio tends to imply a need to consider the altitude from the right angle to the hypotenuse in a right triangle. The length of the altitude is the golden mean of the length of the segments it cuts the hypotenuse into.
We already have a segment of length $h$. So if we can extend it on the opposite of the x-axis by a length $1/a$, then we know the vertex of the right angle of a right triangle having hypotenuse $h+1/a$ has an x coordinate equal to the root of the equation.
All vertices of a right triangle lie equidistantly from the midpoint of its hypotenuse.
So, use straight edge and compass to bisect the line segment along the y axis. From there, construct a circle centered at that mid point and passing through (0,h). The intersection with the x axis is your root.
So a striaghtedge an compass approach can be used to find a root if you can extend a line away from the vertex along the axis of symmetry a length $1/a$. Not sure how to do that geometrically. Going to think on it.
Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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Given $y=ax^2+bx+c$.
You know y is a parabola.
It's vertex is $(x_0,y_0)=(frac{-b}{2a},frac{-b^2}{4a}+c)$.
From geometry, we know we have no roots if $y_0>0$ and $a>0$, or if $y_0<0$ and $a<0$. In the first case, all the values of y are positive and therefor never zero. In the second case, all the values are negative and again, never zero.
So if $y_0$ and $a$ have the same sign, then we have no roots. The product of two real numbers is positive iff they have the same sign. So we only have roots if $ay_0<0$. If the product is 0, the vertex is the root and must be a double root by the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.
$frac{-b^2}{4}+ac<0implies b^2-4ac>0$
This is called the discriminant. If its positive, we have two real solutions. If it's 0, we have one root of multiplicity 2, $x=frac{-b}{2a}$. If it's negative, we have two complex roots, but these can't be sorted out geometrically.
So our problem reduces to using straight edge and compass to find roots where the discriminant is positive.
$y=ax^2+bx+c=a(x+frac{b}{2a})^2 +(c-frac{b^2}{4a})$
Let $u=x+frac{b}{2a}$, the signed, horizontal distance from the axis of symmetry, $-b/2a$.
Then $y=au^2+(c-b^2/4a)$
So whatever values of $u$ give $y=0$ gives us a corresponding value of x if we subtract $b/2a$.
Notice $y(u)=y(-u).$ So if $y(u)=0$, then $y(-u)=0$. So each root lies symmetrically about the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
We know $h=c-b^2/4a$ is the height of the vertex above the x axis.
Algebraically, we know $u^2= -h/a$.
$a$ orients the parabola upwards or downwards, and it establishes the scale of the parabola. We wouldn't know we had two roots without knowing the orientation. So for geometric purposes, we can ignore the sign. It can be proven that just as all circles are similar, so are all parabolas. $a$ sets the scale.
What does $u^2=h/a$ mean geometrically?
Ratios like $h/a$ tend to imply the need to use a right triangle with one angle having a tangent equal to $h/a$. On the other hand a square equal to a ratio tends to imply a need to consider the altitude from the right angle to the hypotenuse in a right triangle. The length of the altitude is the golden mean of the length of the segments it cuts the hypotenuse into.
We already have a segment of length $h$. So if we can extend it on the opposite of the x-axis by a length $1/a$, then we know the vertex of the right angle of a right triangle having hypotenuse $h+1/a$ has an x coordinate equal to the root of the equation.
All vertices of a right triangle lie equidistantly from the midpoint of its hypotenuse.
So, use straight edge and compass to bisect the line segment along the y axis. From there, construct a circle centered at that mid point and passing through (0,h). The intersection with the x axis is your root.
So a striaghtedge an compass approach can be used to find a root if you can extend a line away from the vertex along the axis of symmetry a length $1/a$. Not sure how to do that geometrically. Going to think on it.
Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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Given $y=ax^2+bx+c$.
You know y is a parabola.
It's vertex is $(x_0,y_0)=(frac{-b}{2a},frac{-b^2}{4a}+c)$.
From geometry, we know we have no roots if $y_0>0$ and $a>0$, or if $y_0<0$ and $a<0$. In the first case, all the values of y are positive and therefor never zero. In the second case, all the values are negative and again, never zero.
So if $y_0$ and $a$ have the same sign, then we have no roots. The product of two real numbers is positive iff they have the same sign. So we only have roots if $ay_0<0$. If the product is 0, the vertex is the root and must be a double root by the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.
$frac{-b^2}{4}+ac<0implies b^2-4ac>0$
This is called the discriminant. If its positive, we have two real solutions. If it's 0, we have one root of multiplicity 2, $x=frac{-b}{2a}$. If it's negative, we have two complex roots, but these can't be sorted out geometrically.
So our problem reduces to using straight edge and compass to find roots where the discriminant is positive.
$y=ax^2+bx+c=a(x+frac{b}{2a})^2 +(c-frac{b^2}{4a})$
Let $u=x+frac{b}{2a}$, the signed, horizontal distance from the axis of symmetry, $-b/2a$.
Then $y=au^2+(c-b^2/4a)$
So whatever values of $u$ give $y=0$ gives us a corresponding value of x if we subtract $b/2a$.
Notice $y(u)=y(-u).$ So if $y(u)=0$, then $y(-u)=0$. So each root lies symmetrically about the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
We know $h=c-b^2/4a$ is the height of the vertex above the x axis.
Algebraically, we know $u^2= -h/a$.
$a$ orients the parabola upwards or downwards, and it establishes the scale of the parabola. We wouldn't know we had two roots without knowing the orientation. So for geometric purposes, we can ignore the sign. It can be proven that just as all circles are similar, so are all parabolas. $a$ sets the scale.
What does $u^2=h/a$ mean geometrically?
Ratios like $h/a$ tend to imply the need to use a right triangle with one angle having a tangent equal to $h/a$. On the other hand a square equal to a ratio tends to imply a need to consider the altitude from the right angle to the hypotenuse in a right triangle. The length of the altitude is the golden mean of the length of the segments it cuts the hypotenuse into.
We already have a segment of length $h$. So if we can extend it on the opposite of the x-axis by a length $1/a$, then we know the vertex of the right angle of a right triangle having hypotenuse $h+1/a$ has an x coordinate equal to the root of the equation.
All vertices of a right triangle lie equidistantly from the midpoint of its hypotenuse.
So, use straight edge and compass to bisect the line segment along the y axis. From there, construct a circle centered at that mid point and passing through (0,h). The intersection with the x axis is your root.
So a striaghtedge an compass approach can be used to find a root if you can extend a line away from the vertex along the axis of symmetry a length $1/a$. Not sure how to do that geometrically. Going to think on it.
Given $y=ax^2+bx+c$.
You know y is a parabola.
It's vertex is $(x_0,y_0)=(frac{-b}{2a},frac{-b^2}{4a}+c)$.
From geometry, we know we have no roots if $y_0>0$ and $a>0$, or if $y_0<0$ and $a<0$. In the first case, all the values of y are positive and therefor never zero. In the second case, all the values are negative and again, never zero.
So if $y_0$ and $a$ have the same sign, then we have no roots. The product of two real numbers is positive iff they have the same sign. So we only have roots if $ay_0<0$. If the product is 0, the vertex is the root and must be a double root by the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.
$frac{-b^2}{4}+ac<0implies b^2-4ac>0$
This is called the discriminant. If its positive, we have two real solutions. If it's 0, we have one root of multiplicity 2, $x=frac{-b}{2a}$. If it's negative, we have two complex roots, but these can't be sorted out geometrically.
So our problem reduces to using straight edge and compass to find roots where the discriminant is positive.
$y=ax^2+bx+c=a(x+frac{b}{2a})^2 +(c-frac{b^2}{4a})$
Let $u=x+frac{b}{2a}$, the signed, horizontal distance from the axis of symmetry, $-b/2a$.
Then $y=au^2+(c-b^2/4a)$
So whatever values of $u$ give $y=0$ gives us a corresponding value of x if we subtract $b/2a$.
Notice $y(u)=y(-u).$ So if $y(u)=0$, then $y(-u)=0$. So each root lies symmetrically about the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
We know $h=c-b^2/4a$ is the height of the vertex above the x axis.
Algebraically, we know $u^2= -h/a$.
$a$ orients the parabola upwards or downwards, and it establishes the scale of the parabola. We wouldn't know we had two roots without knowing the orientation. So for geometric purposes, we can ignore the sign. It can be proven that just as all circles are similar, so are all parabolas. $a$ sets the scale.
What does $u^2=h/a$ mean geometrically?
Ratios like $h/a$ tend to imply the need to use a right triangle with one angle having a tangent equal to $h/a$. On the other hand a square equal to a ratio tends to imply a need to consider the altitude from the right angle to the hypotenuse in a right triangle. The length of the altitude is the golden mean of the length of the segments it cuts the hypotenuse into.
We already have a segment of length $h$. So if we can extend it on the opposite of the x-axis by a length $1/a$, then we know the vertex of the right angle of a right triangle having hypotenuse $h+1/a$ has an x coordinate equal to the root of the equation.
All vertices of a right triangle lie equidistantly from the midpoint of its hypotenuse.
So, use straight edge and compass to bisect the line segment along the y axis. From there, construct a circle centered at that mid point and passing through (0,h). The intersection with the x axis is your root.
So a striaghtedge an compass approach can be used to find a root if you can extend a line away from the vertex along the axis of symmetry a length $1/a$. Not sure how to do that geometrically. Going to think on it.
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Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
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Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
Thanks for your answer! I am studying it!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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The construction is in fact trivial. The parabola being the locus of points equidistant to the focus and the directrix, you draw a circle around the focus, with radius equal to the distance between the directrix and axis.
From the geometric definition, the equation of the parabola is
$$(y-y_d)^2=(x-x_f)^2+(y-y_f)^2$$ and you are looking for the points such that $y=0$, or
$$y_d^2=(x-x_f)^2+y_f^2.$$
The solution is obviously
$$x=x_fpmsqrt{y_d^2-y_f^2}$$ where you recognize pieces of the quadratic formula.
Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
1
@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
The construction is in fact trivial. The parabola being the locus of points equidistant to the focus and the directrix, you draw a circle around the focus, with radius equal to the distance between the directrix and axis.
From the geometric definition, the equation of the parabola is
$$(y-y_d)^2=(x-x_f)^2+(y-y_f)^2$$ and you are looking for the points such that $y=0$, or
$$y_d^2=(x-x_f)^2+y_f^2.$$
The solution is obviously
$$x=x_fpmsqrt{y_d^2-y_f^2}$$ where you recognize pieces of the quadratic formula.
Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
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@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
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The construction is in fact trivial. The parabola being the locus of points equidistant to the focus and the directrix, you draw a circle around the focus, with radius equal to the distance between the directrix and axis.
From the geometric definition, the equation of the parabola is
$$(y-y_d)^2=(x-x_f)^2+(y-y_f)^2$$ and you are looking for the points such that $y=0$, or
$$y_d^2=(x-x_f)^2+y_f^2.$$
The solution is obviously
$$x=x_fpmsqrt{y_d^2-y_f^2}$$ where you recognize pieces of the quadratic formula.
The construction is in fact trivial. The parabola being the locus of points equidistant to the focus and the directrix, you draw a circle around the focus, with radius equal to the distance between the directrix and axis.
From the geometric definition, the equation of the parabola is
$$(y-y_d)^2=(x-x_f)^2+(y-y_f)^2$$ and you are looking for the points such that $y=0$, or
$$y_d^2=(x-x_f)^2+y_f^2.$$
The solution is obviously
$$x=x_fpmsqrt{y_d^2-y_f^2}$$ where you recognize pieces of the quadratic formula.
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Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
1
@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
add a comment |
Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
1
@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
Sure! Also Moti (see comments) told me so. Thanks! Is then possible to find the algebraic elements of the quadratic formula in this construction?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: I have added the analytical solution, I hope this is what you want.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
Yes, almost. Actually, I was trying to see if I can illustrate how the terms $a,b,c$ of the quadratic formula display in the space by means of this construction. But maybe I can post another question for this. Or what do you think?
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
1
1
@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
@AndreaPrunotto: $ane1$ can be dealt with with a scaling. Halve $b$ and $x=-bpmsqrt{b^2-c}$, which is very close.
– Yves Daoust
yesterday
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Yes, the exact construction is possible. Mutliplications and divisions are made using homotheties, and square roots (geometric averages) by constructing a height of a right triangle.
– Yves Daoust
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@Thanks Yves. So, in your opinion, does it makes sense to look for a better approximation of the above method?
– Andrea Prunotto
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Why not just draw the circle around the focus with radius IH?
– Moti
yesterday
Wow! Great! Yes, it seems a great idea!
– Andrea Prunotto
yesterday
@Moti ... But then how is this related to the quadratic formula?
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