Sign-on bonus repayments upon leaving a company
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I'm leaving my company (in the US, IL) before one year cycle. And I have to return the $5000 relocation lump sum that I received (I actually received only $3000 after tax), under the condition that if I leave voluntary, I have to return it.
The language says: Should you choose to end your employment with XXX prior to completing 12 months of service in this new position, you will be responsible for reimbursing.
Two questions:
1- Should I return $3000 (after tax), or $5000 (before tax)?
2- At one point upon group change, my manager actually told me "You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary". Can I negotiate that and avoid repayments?!
Advice from anyone familiar with this would definitely help.
UPDATE: After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview and tried negotiating, they said they just forfeit my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said that saved me around $1300. I think it was a good thing for me.
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I'm leaving my company (in the US, IL) before one year cycle. And I have to return the $5000 relocation lump sum that I received (I actually received only $3000 after tax), under the condition that if I leave voluntary, I have to return it.
The language says: Should you choose to end your employment with XXX prior to completing 12 months of service in this new position, you will be responsible for reimbursing.
Two questions:
1- Should I return $3000 (after tax), or $5000 (before tax)?
2- At one point upon group change, my manager actually told me "You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary". Can I negotiate that and avoid repayments?!
Advice from anyone familiar with this would definitely help.
UPDATE: After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview and tried negotiating, they said they just forfeit my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said that saved me around $1300. I think it was a good thing for me.
united-states human-resources termination company-policy law
asked 2 days ago
Tina J
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"You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary" What happens if you say I'll stay + what is in your written contract re the relocaerion allowance?
– Mark
2 days ago
@Mark added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere Probably they will ask the max they can!!
– Tina J
2 days ago
yeah, the HR guy told me that unless my manager agrees to pay that out of their budget. I have to talk to him.
– Tina J
2 days ago
Because it is also written I get 15% of my bonus. So logically, I should also get something back.
– Tina J
2 days ago
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I'm leaving my company (in the US, IL) before one year cycle. And I have to return the $5000 relocation lump sum that I received (I actually received only $3000 after tax), under the condition that if I leave voluntary, I have to return it.
The language says: Should you choose to end your employment with XXX prior to completing 12 months of service in this new position, you will be responsible for reimbursing.
Two questions:
1- Should I return $3000 (after tax), or $5000 (before tax)?
2- At one point upon group change, my manager actually told me "You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary". Can I negotiate that and avoid repayments?!
Advice from anyone familiar with this would definitely help.
UPDATE: After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview and tried negotiating, they said they just forfeit my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said that saved me around $1300. I think it was a good thing for me.
united-states human-resources termination company-policy law
asked 2 days ago
Tina J
1626
I'm leaving my company (in the US, IL) before one year cycle. And I have to return the $5000 relocation lump sum that I received (I actually received only $3000 after tax), under the condition that if I leave voluntary, I have to return it.
The language says: Should you choose to end your employment with XXX prior to completing 12 months of service in this new position, you will be responsible for reimbursing.
Two questions:
1- Should I return $3000 (after tax), or $5000 (before tax)?
2- At one point upon group change, my manager actually told me "You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary". Can I negotiate that and avoid repayments?!
Advice from anyone familiar with this would definitely help.
UPDATE: After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview and tried negotiating, they said they just forfeit my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said that saved me around $1300. I think it was a good thing for me.
united-states human-resources termination company-policy law
united-states human-resources termination company-policy law
asked 2 days ago
Tina J
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asked 2 days ago
Tina J
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asked 2 days ago
Tina J
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asked 2 days ago
Tina J
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asked 2 days ago
Tina J
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"You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary" What happens if you say I'll stay + what is in your written contract re the relocaerion allowance?
– Mark
2 days ago
@Mark added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere Probably they will ask the max they can!!
– Tina J
2 days ago
yeah, the HR guy told me that unless my manager agrees to pay that out of their budget. I have to talk to him.
– Tina J
2 days ago
Because it is also written I get 15% of my bonus. So logically, I should also get something back.
– Tina J
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
"You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary" What happens if you say I'll stay + what is in your written contract re the relocaerion allowance?
– Mark
2 days ago
@Mark added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere Probably they will ask the max they can!!
– Tina J
2 days ago
yeah, the HR guy told me that unless my manager agrees to pay that out of their budget. I have to talk to him.
– Tina J
2 days ago
Because it is also written I get 15% of my bonus. So logically, I should also get something back.
– Tina J
2 days ago
"You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary" What happens if you say I'll stay + what is in your written contract re the relocaerion allowance?
– Mark
2 days ago
"You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary" What happens if you say I'll stay + what is in your written contract re the relocaerion allowance?
– Mark
2 days ago
@Mark added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
@Mark added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere Probably they will ask the max they can!!
– Tina J
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere Probably they will ask the max they can!!
– Tina J
2 days ago
yeah, the HR guy told me that unless my manager agrees to pay that out of their budget. I have to talk to him.
– Tina J
2 days ago
yeah, the HR guy told me that unless my manager agrees to pay that out of their budget. I have to talk to him.
– Tina J
2 days ago
Because it is also written I get 15% of my bonus. So logically, I should also get something back.
– Tina J
2 days ago
Because it is also written I get 15% of my bonus. So logically, I should also get something back.
– Tina J
2 days ago
|
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You can re-read your contract, but a few things:
- Most of those contracts force you to repay the bonus unless you are laid off; they often have language that says something like if you decide to leave or if you are let go for performance reasons. Edit in response to the language being added: "Should you choose to end your employment" means that if you decide to leave due to a conflict with your boss you will have to repay the company in most any circumstance.
- The language usually specifies that you have to repay the entire bonus and not the portion you get after taxes; the good news here is that you should be able to adjust your tax filing accordingly.
Many people in these situations decide to stay until the 1 year mark and then leave to avoid the penalty.
TL;DR if you decide to leave, you are most likely going to have to pay back the entire $5000.
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
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The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
1
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
2
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
12
down vote
accepted
You can re-read your contract, but a few things:
- Most of those contracts force you to repay the bonus unless you are laid off; they often have language that says something like if you decide to leave or if you are let go for performance reasons. Edit in response to the language being added: "Should you choose to end your employment" means that if you decide to leave due to a conflict with your boss you will have to repay the company in most any circumstance.
- The language usually specifies that you have to repay the entire bonus and not the portion you get after taxes; the good news here is that you should be able to adjust your tax filing accordingly.
Many people in these situations decide to stay until the 1 year mark and then leave to avoid the penalty.
TL;DR if you decide to leave, you are most likely going to have to pay back the entire $5000.
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
1
The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
1
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
2
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
add a comment |
up vote
12
down vote
accepted
You can re-read your contract, but a few things:
- Most of those contracts force you to repay the bonus unless you are laid off; they often have language that says something like if you decide to leave or if you are let go for performance reasons. Edit in response to the language being added: "Should you choose to end your employment" means that if you decide to leave due to a conflict with your boss you will have to repay the company in most any circumstance.
- The language usually specifies that you have to repay the entire bonus and not the portion you get after taxes; the good news here is that you should be able to adjust your tax filing accordingly.
Many people in these situations decide to stay until the 1 year mark and then leave to avoid the penalty.
TL;DR if you decide to leave, you are most likely going to have to pay back the entire $5000.
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
1
The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
1
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
2
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
add a comment |
up vote
12
down vote
accepted
up vote
12
down vote
accepted
You can re-read your contract, but a few things:
- Most of those contracts force you to repay the bonus unless you are laid off; they often have language that says something like if you decide to leave or if you are let go for performance reasons. Edit in response to the language being added: "Should you choose to end your employment" means that if you decide to leave due to a conflict with your boss you will have to repay the company in most any circumstance.
- The language usually specifies that you have to repay the entire bonus and not the portion you get after taxes; the good news here is that you should be able to adjust your tax filing accordingly.
Many people in these situations decide to stay until the 1 year mark and then leave to avoid the penalty.
TL;DR if you decide to leave, you are most likely going to have to pay back the entire $5000.
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
You can re-read your contract, but a few things:
- Most of those contracts force you to repay the bonus unless you are laid off; they often have language that says something like if you decide to leave or if you are let go for performance reasons. Edit in response to the language being added: "Should you choose to end your employment" means that if you decide to leave due to a conflict with your boss you will have to repay the company in most any circumstance.
- The language usually specifies that you have to repay the entire bonus and not the portion you get after taxes; the good news here is that you should be able to adjust your tax filing accordingly.
Many people in these situations decide to stay until the 1 year mark and then leave to avoid the penalty.
TL;DR if you decide to leave, you are most likely going to have to pay back the entire $5000.
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
edited 2 days ago
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
answered 2 days ago
dbeer
4,7482720
4,7482720
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The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
1
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
2
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
add a comment |
1
The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
1
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
2
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
1
1
The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
The company paid you $5000 so wants that back - what you dd with it is of n interst to them - ht you paid the IRS hey do not care.
– Mark
2 days ago
1
1
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
I added an edit.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere I will clarify my wording. I meant to say it covers the company.
– dbeer
2 days ago
2
2
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
After I talked to the HR guy at my exit interview, they just didn't pay me my last pay check ($4200 before tax, $2850 after tax and benefits), in place of $5K bonus repayments (before tax) + 13 hrs of PTO owing (=$750)! They said I saved $1200 for me. I think it was a good thing for me.
– Tina J
2 days ago
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"You have your green card, and can leave the company if you don't like it". So I'm not really leaving "voluntary" What happens if you say I'll stay + what is in your written contract re the relocaerion allowance?
– Mark
2 days ago
@Mark added the offer language in the question.
– Tina J
2 days ago
@JoeStrazzere Probably they will ask the max they can!!
– Tina J
2 days ago
yeah, the HR guy told me that unless my manager agrees to pay that out of their budget. I have to talk to him.
– Tina J
2 days ago
Because it is also written I get 15% of my bonus. So logically, I should also get something back.
– Tina J
2 days ago