Resolving this summation using the given pmf











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So I'm trying to derive an expected value (related to Bayesian risk/loss function) and I've derived all except one final part. To finish the final part I need to derive one of the following expected values (either will work)



Define the probability mass function



$$p_N (n) = {n-1 choose x-1} frac{Gamma(a+b)}{Gamma(a) + Gamma(b)}frac{Gamma(a+x)+Gamma(b+n-x)}{Gamma(a+b+n)}$$



for $n =x,x+1,x+2,dots$ and also define the conditional pmf



$$p_N(n|p) = {n-1 choose x-1} p^x (1-p)^{n-x}$$



To complete the final step I need either one of:



$$E_N left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2right]$$



or



$$E_{N} = left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2 bigg| p right]$$



In previous questions, I've derived the necessary expected values by absorbing the terms into the probability functions in order to construct a new distribution function, and then obtaining the expected value by normalizing it so that it sums/integrates to $1$. But for these ones I'm stuck due to the fact it's squared and you're left with a single fraciton that can't be absorbed into the combination.



Does anyone see a way forward?










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    So I'm trying to derive an expected value (related to Bayesian risk/loss function) and I've derived all except one final part. To finish the final part I need to derive one of the following expected values (either will work)



    Define the probability mass function



    $$p_N (n) = {n-1 choose x-1} frac{Gamma(a+b)}{Gamma(a) + Gamma(b)}frac{Gamma(a+x)+Gamma(b+n-x)}{Gamma(a+b+n)}$$



    for $n =x,x+1,x+2,dots$ and also define the conditional pmf



    $$p_N(n|p) = {n-1 choose x-1} p^x (1-p)^{n-x}$$



    To complete the final step I need either one of:



    $$E_N left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2right]$$



    or



    $$E_{N} = left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2 bigg| p right]$$



    In previous questions, I've derived the necessary expected values by absorbing the terms into the probability functions in order to construct a new distribution function, and then obtaining the expected value by normalizing it so that it sums/integrates to $1$. But for these ones I'm stuck due to the fact it's squared and you're left with a single fraciton that can't be absorbed into the combination.



    Does anyone see a way forward?










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      So I'm trying to derive an expected value (related to Bayesian risk/loss function) and I've derived all except one final part. To finish the final part I need to derive one of the following expected values (either will work)



      Define the probability mass function



      $$p_N (n) = {n-1 choose x-1} frac{Gamma(a+b)}{Gamma(a) + Gamma(b)}frac{Gamma(a+x)+Gamma(b+n-x)}{Gamma(a+b+n)}$$



      for $n =x,x+1,x+2,dots$ and also define the conditional pmf



      $$p_N(n|p) = {n-1 choose x-1} p^x (1-p)^{n-x}$$



      To complete the final step I need either one of:



      $$E_N left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2right]$$



      or



      $$E_{N} = left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2 bigg| p right]$$



      In previous questions, I've derived the necessary expected values by absorbing the terms into the probability functions in order to construct a new distribution function, and then obtaining the expected value by normalizing it so that it sums/integrates to $1$. But for these ones I'm stuck due to the fact it's squared and you're left with a single fraciton that can't be absorbed into the combination.



      Does anyone see a way forward?










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      So I'm trying to derive an expected value (related to Bayesian risk/loss function) and I've derived all except one final part. To finish the final part I need to derive one of the following expected values (either will work)



      Define the probability mass function



      $$p_N (n) = {n-1 choose x-1} frac{Gamma(a+b)}{Gamma(a) + Gamma(b)}frac{Gamma(a+x)+Gamma(b+n-x)}{Gamma(a+b+n)}$$



      for $n =x,x+1,x+2,dots$ and also define the conditional pmf



      $$p_N(n|p) = {n-1 choose x-1} p^x (1-p)^{n-x}$$



      To complete the final step I need either one of:



      $$E_N left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2right]$$



      or



      $$E_{N} = left[ left(frac{x-1}{N-1} right)^2 bigg| p right]$$



      In previous questions, I've derived the necessary expected values by absorbing the terms into the probability functions in order to construct a new distribution function, and then obtaining the expected value by normalizing it so that it sums/integrates to $1$. But for these ones I'm stuck due to the fact it's squared and you're left with a single fraciton that can't be absorbed into the combination.



      Does anyone see a way forward?







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