Can the druid cantrip Thorn Whip really defeat a water weird this easily?
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Water weirds (MM, p. 299) have the Water Bound trait:
The water weird dies if it leaves the water to which it is bound or if that water is destroyed.
If a water weird is fewer than 10 feet from the edge of its pool—which it would be if it were trying to Constrict and grapple characters who are on solid ground—can a druid cast thorn whip to pull it from its pool, killing it instantly? I believe the druid can, but am I missing something?
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Water weirds (MM, p. 299) have the Water Bound trait:
The water weird dies if it leaves the water to which it is bound or if that water is destroyed.
If a water weird is fewer than 10 feet from the edge of its pool—which it would be if it were trying to Constrict and grapple characters who are on solid ground—can a druid cast thorn whip to pull it from its pool, killing it instantly? I believe the druid can, but am I missing something?
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Water weirds (MM, p. 299) have the Water Bound trait:
The water weird dies if it leaves the water to which it is bound or if that water is destroyed.
If a water weird is fewer than 10 feet from the edge of its pool—which it would be if it were trying to Constrict and grapple characters who are on solid ground—can a druid cast thorn whip to pull it from its pool, killing it instantly? I believe the druid can, but am I missing something?
dnd-5e monsters druid cantrips forced-movement
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Water weirds (MM, p. 299) have the Water Bound trait:
The water weird dies if it leaves the water to which it is bound or if that water is destroyed.
If a water weird is fewer than 10 feet from the edge of its pool—which it would be if it were trying to Constrict and grapple characters who are on solid ground—can a druid cast thorn whip to pull it from its pool, killing it instantly? I believe the druid can, but am I missing something?
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Yes.
The rules do not indicate that the thorn whip spell uses a grapple (which the weird would be immune to). The water weird has no immunity to the effect of thorn whip. Very clever use of a spell to defeat a creature.
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
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– Joe Bloggs
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
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Yes.
The rules do not indicate that the thorn whip spell uses a grapple (which the weird would be immune to). The water weird has no immunity to the effect of thorn whip. Very clever use of a spell to defeat a creature.
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
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– Joe Bloggs
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
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– John Dvorak
6 hours ago
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Yes.
The rules do not indicate that the thorn whip spell uses a grapple (which the weird would be immune to). The water weird has no immunity to the effect of thorn whip. Very clever use of a spell to defeat a creature.
edited 20 hours ago
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GrosscolGrosscol
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
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– Joe Bloggs
12 hours ago
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
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– John Dvorak
6 hours ago
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Yes.
The rules do not indicate that the thorn whip spell uses a grapple (which the weird would be immune to). The water weird has no immunity to the effect of thorn whip. Very clever use of a spell to defeat a creature.
edited 20 hours ago
V2Blast
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answered yesterday
GrosscolGrosscol
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Yes.
The rules do not indicate that the thorn whip spell uses a grapple (which the weird would be immune to). The water weird has no immunity to the effect of thorn whip. Very clever use of a spell to defeat a creature.
edited 20 hours ago
V2Blast
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GrosscolGrosscol
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V2Blast
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
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– Joe Bloggs
12 hours ago
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
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– John Dvorak
6 hours ago
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
$endgroup$
– Joe Bloggs
12 hours ago
1
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
6 hours ago
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
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– Joe Bloggs
12 hours ago
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Having used thorn whip as a player to one-shot more than one enemy, I can attest that it is occasionally incredibly game breaking. As a DM I'd narrate this as a bizarre spell interaction (the thorn whip 'drinking up' the weird and leaving an unexpected mass of thorny vines, probably), rather than some form of odd grapple-but-not-a-grapple dragging the weird out of the pool.
$endgroup$
– Joe Bloggs
12 hours ago
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1
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
6 hours ago
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@JoeBloggs Maybe the thorn whip spell solidifies / jellyfies the weird enough to make it grapplable?
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– John Dvorak
6 hours ago
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