When communicating altitude with a '9' in it, should it be pronounced “nine hundred” or “niner...












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It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



E.g. 9900
"Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
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    It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



    E.g. 9900
    "Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
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    "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"










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      It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



      E.g. 9900
      "Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
      vs
      "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"










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      It sounds a little odd, but trying to understand if that's the recommended way to communicate.



      E.g. 9900
      "Nine-thousand-nine-hundred"
      vs
      "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred"







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          In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




          All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
          height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
          whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
          each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
          HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
          hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
          of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
          followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
          follows:



          Table 5 
          Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
          10 One Zero WUN ZERO
          100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
          2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
          11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
          25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



          There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



          I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



          No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer



          EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?






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            Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



            From Wikipedia




            The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
            Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
            phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
            phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
            radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




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              ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.



              In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.



              I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.






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                NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






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                  What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
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                  In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
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                  – John K
                  Apr 14 at 23:27






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                  Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
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                In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                follows:



                Table 5 
                Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer



                EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?






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                  $begingroup$

                  In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                  All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                  height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                  whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                  each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                  HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                  hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                  of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                  followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                  follows:



                  Table 5 
                  Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                  10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                  100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                  2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                  11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                  25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                  There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                  I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                  No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer



                  EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?






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                    In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                    All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                    height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                    whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                    each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                    HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                    hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                    of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                    followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                    follows:



                    Table 5 
                    Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                    10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                    100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                    2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                    11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                    25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                    There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                    I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                    No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer



                    EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?






                    share|improve this answer











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                    In the UK, the RT rules for the ANO are in Cap 413 and section 2.13.2 states:




                    All numbers used in the transmission of altitude, height, cloud
                    height, visibility and runway visual range information which contain
                    whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing
                    each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word
                    HUNDRED or TOUSAND as appropriate. Combinations of thousands and whole
                    hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number
                    of thousands followed by the word TOUSAND and the number of hundreds
                    followed by the word HUNDRED; examples of this convention are as
                    follows:



                    Table 5 
                    Number Transmitted as Pronounced as
                    10 One Zero WUN ZERO
                    100 One Hundred WUN HUN DRED
                    2 500 Two Thousand Five Hundred TOO TOUSAND FIFE HUNDRED
                    11 000 One One Thousand WUN WUN TOUSAND
                    25 000 Two Five Thousand TOO FIFE TOUSAND



                    There isn't a specific example of NINER here, but given that the examples do actually use their prescribed pronounciations, you'd expect NINER to be used too.



                    I can't remember hearing it but the other conventions seem to be adhered to by professional pilots in the UK (we Sunday afternoon bimblers are not as good at it). Non-native english speakers are very exact in their use of the published pronounciation



                    No doubt there will be a professional along in a minute, who can give you a more authoritative answer



                    EDIT: The reason I can't remember hearing "Niner-thousand-niner-hundred" may be because, in the UK, it would be above the transition level?







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                        Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                        From Wikipedia




                        The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                        Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                        phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                        phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                        radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                        enter image description here






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                          Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                          From Wikipedia




                          The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                          Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                          phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                          phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                          radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                          enter image description here






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                            Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                            From Wikipedia




                            The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                            Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                            phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                            phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                            radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                            enter image description here






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                            Several numbers are not pronounced the way they are in English. Niner is the most obvious and most US pilots use it. In my experience, tree and fife are heard less often. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say fower.



                            From Wikipedia




                            The NATO phonetic alphabet, officially denoted as the International
                            Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, and also commonly known as the ICAO
                            phonetic alphabet, and in a variation also known officially as the ITU
                            phonetic alphabet and figure code, is the most widely used
                            radiotelephone spelling alphabet.




                            enter image description here







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                                ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.



                                In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.



                                I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.






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                                  ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.



                                  In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.



                                  I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.






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                                    ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.



                                    In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.



                                    I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.






                                    share|improve this answer









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                                    ATC should always use the correct pronunciation and phraseology. Pilots aren't as consistent, at least if they're native English speakers; as long as we're understood (the primary goal of communication), we can get away with a lot of shortcuts.



                                    In the US, NINER THOUSAND is used by most pilots, but you'll hear NINE occasionally. NINER HUNDRED doesn't come up often since we usually fly at multiples of 500 feet, but I'd expect the same tendency when it does.



                                    I've never noticed US pilots using TREE, FOWER, FIFE or TOUSAND, though. Unlike NINER, those aren't easily distinguished unless you're listening for them specifically. They seem to be used mainly by pilots whose native languages don't have the sounds necessary for the normal English versions.







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                                        NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                                        With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






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                                          What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Wayne Conrad
                                          Apr 14 at 21:31










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                                          In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – John K
                                          Apr 14 at 23:27






                                        • 1




                                          $begingroup$
                                          Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
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                                          – rmaddy
                                          Apr 15 at 4:37


















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                                        NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                                        With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






                                        share|improve this answer









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                                          $begingroup$
                                          What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Wayne Conrad
                                          Apr 14 at 21:31










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – John K
                                          Apr 14 at 23:27






                                        • 1




                                          $begingroup$
                                          Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – rmaddy
                                          Apr 15 at 4:37
















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                                        NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                                        With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.






                                        share|improve this answer









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                                        NINER is an artifact of the "phwa phwa phwa bwa bwa what-the-hell-did-he-say" days of radio telephony, with vacuum tube equipment and carbon microphones and raspy, garbled, muffled audio, to prevent it from being mistaken for the number five.



                                        With the FM radio quality audio of modern avionics, it's not really required any more and sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don't. No controller will scold you for saying nine instead of niner.







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                                          $begingroup$
                                          What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Wayne Conrad
                                          Apr 14 at 21:31










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – John K
                                          Apr 14 at 23:27






                                        • 1




                                          $begingroup$
                                          Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – rmaddy
                                          Apr 15 at 4:37
















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                                          $begingroup$
                                          What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Wayne Conrad
                                          Apr 14 at 21:31










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – John K
                                          Apr 14 at 23:27






                                        • 1




                                          $begingroup$
                                          Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – rmaddy
                                          Apr 15 at 4:37










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                                        $begingroup$
                                        What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Wayne Conrad
                                        Apr 14 at 21:31




                                        $begingroup$
                                        What about HF as is sometimes used in oceanic ATC? Or noisy cockpits, or bad microphones, or mumble-mouth speakers, or thick accents?
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Wayne Conrad
                                        Apr 14 at 21:31












                                        $begingroup$
                                        In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – John K
                                        Apr 14 at 23:27




                                        $begingroup$
                                        In that case you will use NINER. It'll be obvious when it's necessary.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – John K
                                        Apr 14 at 23:27




                                        1




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                                        $begingroup$
                                        Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – rmaddy
                                        Apr 15 at 4:37






                                        $begingroup$
                                        Please see Why do English-speaking pilots and ATC say “Niner” instead of “Nine”?
                                        $endgroup$
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