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Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines asenter image description here



I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.



here the problem is to prove det is zero,



my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.



and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)



please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.



Thanks in advance.










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  • Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
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  • Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
    – user10354138
    yesterday












  • O then how to get the solution
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
    – amd
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Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines asenter image description here



I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.



here the problem is to prove det is zero,



my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.



and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)



please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.



Thanks in advance.










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  • Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
    – user3482749
    yesterday










  • Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
    – user10354138
    yesterday












  • O then how to get the solution
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
    – amd
    yesterday













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Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines asenter image description here



I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.



here the problem is to prove det is zero,



my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.



and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)



please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.



Thanks in advance.










share|cite|improve this question















Actually, I am dealing with a problem in barycentric coordinates
I got the equations of three lines asenter image description here



I know that these three lines sharing a common point, I know if I prove their det is zero, they are concurrent.



here the problem is to prove det is zero,



my question is there any shorter way to prove that det is zero, or is there any online tool which is useful in proving this, if so please share.



and also how should I find a common point on these lines which is in the form of (x:y:z)



please share the steps to get it or any online tool for finding this.



Thanks in advance.







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  • Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
    – user3482749
    yesterday










  • Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
    – user10354138
    yesterday












  • O then how to get the solution
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
    – amd
    yesterday


















  • Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
    – user3482749
    yesterday










  • Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
    – user10354138
    yesterday












  • O then how to get the solution
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
    – amd
    yesterday
















Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday




Frankly, I'd throw it into Wolfram Alpha.
– user3482749
yesterday












Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday




Really then can we find the solution like(x,y,z) from it, if so please share the ans,
– nimmy
yesterday












I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday






I don't think wolfy like long queries. Use a proper CAS instead
– user10354138
yesterday














O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday




O then how to get the solution
– nimmy
yesterday












Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
yesterday




Does $s$ have any relation to $a$, $b$ and $c$?
– amd
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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:



s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));


(or use factor instead of ratexpand), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.



You can also use eigenvalues(M); to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]])
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$

(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:




factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));


gives the output $[0,0,0]$.



Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.






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  • No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
    – nimmy
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  • No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No u typed the equation wrong
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    yesterday










  • U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday











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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:



s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));


(or use factor instead of ratexpand), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.



You can also use eigenvalues(M); to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]])
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$

(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:




factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));


gives the output $[0,0,0]$.



Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.






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  • No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No u typed the equation wrong
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday















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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:



s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));


(or use factor instead of ratexpand), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.



You can also use eigenvalues(M); to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]])
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$

(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:




factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));


gives the output $[0,0,0]$.



Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.






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  • No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No u typed the equation wrong
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday













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Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:



s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));


(or use factor instead of ratexpand), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.



You can also use eigenvalues(M); to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]])
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$

(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:




factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));


gives the output $[0,0,0]$.



Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.






share|cite|improve this answer














Here is the command in Maxima, you can use other CAS if you want:



s: (a+b+c)/2;
M: matrix(
[(b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2*b*c)+a*b*c),
-a*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
a*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[b*(s-c)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
(c-a)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*b+s*(b^2-2*c*a)+a*b*c),
-b*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*c+c^2)],
[-c*(s-b)*(2*s^2-2*s*a+a^2),
c*(s-a)*(2*s^2-2*s*b+b^2),
(a-b)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*c+s*(c^2-2*a*b)+a*b*c)]
);
ratexpand(determinant(M));


(or use factor instead of ratexpand), which indeed shows the determinant is $0$.



You can also use eigenvalues(M); to see that there is indeed an eigenvalue $0$ of multiplicity $1$. To find the eigenspace, use eigenvectors(M);, which we are only interested in the last part of the output (the full output is [[[eigenvalues],[multiplicities]],[eigenvectors]])
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1\
{{bc^3+left(ab-b^2right)c^2+left(-b^3+4ab^2+a^2b
right)c+b^4-ab^3-a^2b^2+a^3b}over{ac^3+left(ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab^3-a^2b^2-a^
3b+a^4}}\
{{c^4+left(-b-aright)c^3+left(-b^2+4ab-a^2
right)c^2+left(b^3+ab^2+a^2b+a^3right)c}over{ac^3+
left(ab-a^2right)c^2+left(ab^2+4a^2b-a^3right)c+ab
^3-a^2b^2-a^3b+a^4}} end{bmatrix}
$$

(OK, maxima doesn't really output like this, but you get the idea). So clearing denominator $$x=aleft(sum_{cyc}a^2(a-b-c)+2bc(b+c)+4abcright)$$ and cyclic permute for $y,z$:




factor(M . columnvector([
a*(c^3+b*c^2-a*c^2+b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
b*(c^3-b*c^2+a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c+a^2*c+b^3-a*b^2-a^2*b+a^3),
c*(c^3-b*c^2-a*c^2-b^2*c+4*a*b*c-a^2*c+b^3+a*b^2+a^2*b+a^3)
]));


gives the output $[0,0,0]$.



Edit: correct factor of $2$, the expression is now much uglier.







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  • No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No u typed the equation wrong
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday


















  • No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • No u typed the equation wrong
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday










  • Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
    – nimmy
    yesterday
















No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday




No no (a, b, c) is not satisfying the equations, so there is another solution. And we need non trival solution.
– nimmy
yesterday












No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday




No no, I am sorry, once u please check a, b, c are not satisfying the equations
– nimmy
yesterday












No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday




No u typed the equation wrong
– nimmy
yesterday












U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday




U typed (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday












Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday




Actually (b-c)*(2*s^3-2*s^2*a+s*(a^2-2bc)+ab*c).....
– nimmy
yesterday


















 

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