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I have 10 kids which are 5 pairs of brothers sitting randomly across 5 tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability of only one couple sitting together?




Solving it with combinatorics alone (as it was done in this answer) is complicated because After pairing the first couple I have too many options. So I was trying to think of the complement event which is only $ 1 $ couple of brothers not sitting together, which is zero (because it can not be that only 1 couple are not sitting together). So what is the best way to solve it?










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    The complement is "not only one couple together " and differs from "only one couple not together ".
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    I don't think I understand..
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    You mean to say $5$ pairs of brothers and sisters? Is the order in which a pair sits on a given table significant?
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    Yes lets say brothers and sisters. the order in which a pair sits is insignificant
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    The complement of "only one couple together" is in this context: "a number of couples together that equals $0,2,3,4$ or $5$" (all numbers in ${0,1,2,3,4,5}$ except $1$). That is something else than "only one couple not together" or equivalently "exactly $4$ couples together".
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I have 10 kids which are 5 pairs of brothers sitting randomly across 5 tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability of only one couple sitting together?




Solving it with combinatorics alone (as it was done in this answer) is complicated because After pairing the first couple I have too many options. So I was trying to think of the complement event which is only $ 1 $ couple of brothers not sitting together, which is zero (because it can not be that only 1 couple are not sitting together). So what is the best way to solve it?










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    The complement is "not only one couple together " and differs from "only one couple not together ".
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    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:09










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    I don't think I understand..
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    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:13










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    You mean to say $5$ pairs of brothers and sisters? Is the order in which a pair sits on a given table significant?
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    – Shubham Johri
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:35










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    Yes lets say brothers and sisters. the order in which a pair sits is insignificant
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    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:46










  • $begingroup$
    The complement of "only one couple together" is in this context: "a number of couples together that equals $0,2,3,4$ or $5$" (all numbers in ${0,1,2,3,4,5}$ except $1$). That is something else than "only one couple not together" or equivalently "exactly $4$ couples together".
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I have 10 kids which are 5 pairs of brothers sitting randomly across 5 tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability of only one couple sitting together?




Solving it with combinatorics alone (as it was done in this answer) is complicated because After pairing the first couple I have too many options. So I was trying to think of the complement event which is only $ 1 $ couple of brothers not sitting together, which is zero (because it can not be that only 1 couple are not sitting together). So what is the best way to solve it?










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I have 10 kids which are 5 pairs of brothers sitting randomly across 5 tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability of only one couple sitting together?




Solving it with combinatorics alone (as it was done in this answer) is complicated because After pairing the first couple I have too many options. So I was trying to think of the complement event which is only $ 1 $ couple of brothers not sitting together, which is zero (because it can not be that only 1 couple are not sitting together). So what is the best way to solve it?







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    The complement is "not only one couple together " and differs from "only one couple not together ".
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    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:09










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    I don't think I understand..
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    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:13










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    You mean to say $5$ pairs of brothers and sisters? Is the order in which a pair sits on a given table significant?
    $endgroup$
    – Shubham Johri
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:35










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    Yes lets say brothers and sisters. the order in which a pair sits is insignificant
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    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:46










  • $begingroup$
    The complement of "only one couple together" is in this context: "a number of couples together that equals $0,2,3,4$ or $5$" (all numbers in ${0,1,2,3,4,5}$ except $1$). That is something else than "only one couple not together" or equivalently "exactly $4$ couples together".
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    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 14:25


















  • $begingroup$
    The complement is "not only one couple together " and differs from "only one couple not together ".
    $endgroup$
    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:09










  • $begingroup$
    I don't think I understand..
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    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:13










  • $begingroup$
    You mean to say $5$ pairs of brothers and sisters? Is the order in which a pair sits on a given table significant?
    $endgroup$
    – Shubham Johri
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:35










  • $begingroup$
    Yes lets say brothers and sisters. the order in which a pair sits is insignificant
    $endgroup$
    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 8:46










  • $begingroup$
    The complement of "only one couple together" is in this context: "a number of couples together that equals $0,2,3,4$ or $5$" (all numbers in ${0,1,2,3,4,5}$ except $1$). That is something else than "only one couple not together" or equivalently "exactly $4$ couples together".
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    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 14:25
















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The complement is "not only one couple together " and differs from "only one couple not together ".
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– drhab
Dec 9 '18 at 8:09




$begingroup$
The complement is "not only one couple together " and differs from "only one couple not together ".
$endgroup$
– drhab
Dec 9 '18 at 8:09












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I don't think I understand..
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– bm1125
Dec 9 '18 at 8:13




$begingroup$
I don't think I understand..
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– bm1125
Dec 9 '18 at 8:13












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You mean to say $5$ pairs of brothers and sisters? Is the order in which a pair sits on a given table significant?
$endgroup$
– Shubham Johri
Dec 9 '18 at 8:35




$begingroup$
You mean to say $5$ pairs of brothers and sisters? Is the order in which a pair sits on a given table significant?
$endgroup$
– Shubham Johri
Dec 9 '18 at 8:35












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Yes lets say brothers and sisters. the order in which a pair sits is insignificant
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– bm1125
Dec 9 '18 at 8:46




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Yes lets say brothers and sisters. the order in which a pair sits is insignificant
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– bm1125
Dec 9 '18 at 8:46












$begingroup$
The complement of "only one couple together" is in this context: "a number of couples together that equals $0,2,3,4$ or $5$" (all numbers in ${0,1,2,3,4,5}$ except $1$). That is something else than "only one couple not together" or equivalently "exactly $4$ couples together".
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– drhab
Dec 9 '18 at 14:25




$begingroup$
The complement of "only one couple together" is in this context: "a number of couples together that equals $0,2,3,4$ or $5$" (all numbers in ${0,1,2,3,4,5}$ except $1$). That is something else than "only one couple not together" or equivalently "exactly $4$ couples together".
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Let us start with another problem:




I have $8$ kids which are $4$ pairs of brothers sitting randomly across $4$ tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability that no couple sits together?




Number the couples $1,2,3,4$ and let $B_{i}$ denote the event
that couple $i$ sits together.



Then to be found is $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-Pleft(B_{1}cup B_{2}cup B_{3}cup B_{3}right)$



Applying the principle of inclusion/exclusion and also symmetry we
find that this probability equals:



$$1-4Pleft(B_{1}right)+6Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)-4Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)+Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)$$



Here we find:




  • $Pleft(B_{1}right)=frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=Pleft(B_{2}mid B_{1}right)Pleft(B_{2}right)=frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=Pleft(B_{3}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)=Pleft(B_{4}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$


So we find: $$Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-4cdotfrac{1}{7}+6cdotfrac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}-4cdotfrac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}+frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}=frac{4}{7}$$





Now we step to the original problem.



Again number the couples $1,2,3,4,5$ and let $E_{i}$ denote the event that couple $i$ will sit together.



Further let $E$ denote the event that exactly one couple sits together.



Then $E$ is the union of the events:




  • $E_{1}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}cap E_{5}^{complement}$


  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}$.


These events are mutually excusive and equiprobable so that:



$$Pleft(Eright)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}right)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)$$



Here $Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{1}{9}$ because - after placing one
brother on a chair - there are $9$ chairs left and only $1$ of them
results in couple $1$ at the same table by placing the other brother.



Working under condition $E_{5}$ there are $4$ tables left for the
remaining $4$ couples and we are back in the problem that was solved
first.



So $Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)$ equals the $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)$ that was calculated there and we end up with:



$$Pleft(Eright)=Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{4}{7}frac{1}{9}=frac{4}{63}$$






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    Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
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    Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
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Let us start with another problem:




I have $8$ kids which are $4$ pairs of brothers sitting randomly across $4$ tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability that no couple sits together?




Number the couples $1,2,3,4$ and let $B_{i}$ denote the event
that couple $i$ sits together.



Then to be found is $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-Pleft(B_{1}cup B_{2}cup B_{3}cup B_{3}right)$



Applying the principle of inclusion/exclusion and also symmetry we
find that this probability equals:



$$1-4Pleft(B_{1}right)+6Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)-4Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)+Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)$$



Here we find:




  • $Pleft(B_{1}right)=frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=Pleft(B_{2}mid B_{1}right)Pleft(B_{2}right)=frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=Pleft(B_{3}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)=Pleft(B_{4}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$


So we find: $$Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-4cdotfrac{1}{7}+6cdotfrac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}-4cdotfrac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}+frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}=frac{4}{7}$$





Now we step to the original problem.



Again number the couples $1,2,3,4,5$ and let $E_{i}$ denote the event that couple $i$ will sit together.



Further let $E$ denote the event that exactly one couple sits together.



Then $E$ is the union of the events:




  • $E_{1}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}cap E_{5}^{complement}$


  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}$.


These events are mutually excusive and equiprobable so that:



$$Pleft(Eright)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}right)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)$$



Here $Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{1}{9}$ because - after placing one
brother on a chair - there are $9$ chairs left and only $1$ of them
results in couple $1$ at the same table by placing the other brother.



Working under condition $E_{5}$ there are $4$ tables left for the
remaining $4$ couples and we are back in the problem that was solved
first.



So $Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)$ equals the $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)$ that was calculated there and we end up with:



$$Pleft(Eright)=Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{4}{7}frac{1}{9}=frac{4}{63}$$






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    Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
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    Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
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$begingroup$

Let us start with another problem:




I have $8$ kids which are $4$ pairs of brothers sitting randomly across $4$ tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability that no couple sits together?




Number the couples $1,2,3,4$ and let $B_{i}$ denote the event
that couple $i$ sits together.



Then to be found is $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-Pleft(B_{1}cup B_{2}cup B_{3}cup B_{3}right)$



Applying the principle of inclusion/exclusion and also symmetry we
find that this probability equals:



$$1-4Pleft(B_{1}right)+6Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)-4Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)+Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)$$



Here we find:




  • $Pleft(B_{1}right)=frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=Pleft(B_{2}mid B_{1}right)Pleft(B_{2}right)=frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=Pleft(B_{3}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)=Pleft(B_{4}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$


So we find: $$Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-4cdotfrac{1}{7}+6cdotfrac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}-4cdotfrac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}+frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}=frac{4}{7}$$





Now we step to the original problem.



Again number the couples $1,2,3,4,5$ and let $E_{i}$ denote the event that couple $i$ will sit together.



Further let $E$ denote the event that exactly one couple sits together.



Then $E$ is the union of the events:




  • $E_{1}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}cap E_{5}^{complement}$


  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}$.


These events are mutually excusive and equiprobable so that:



$$Pleft(Eright)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}right)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)$$



Here $Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{1}{9}$ because - after placing one
brother on a chair - there are $9$ chairs left and only $1$ of them
results in couple $1$ at the same table by placing the other brother.



Working under condition $E_{5}$ there are $4$ tables left for the
remaining $4$ couples and we are back in the problem that was solved
first.



So $Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)$ equals the $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)$ that was calculated there and we end up with:



$$Pleft(Eright)=Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{4}{7}frac{1}{9}=frac{4}{63}$$






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    Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
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    Dec 9 '18 at 15:28








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    Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
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Let us start with another problem:




I have $8$ kids which are $4$ pairs of brothers sitting randomly across $4$ tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability that no couple sits together?




Number the couples $1,2,3,4$ and let $B_{i}$ denote the event
that couple $i$ sits together.



Then to be found is $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-Pleft(B_{1}cup B_{2}cup B_{3}cup B_{3}right)$



Applying the principle of inclusion/exclusion and also symmetry we
find that this probability equals:



$$1-4Pleft(B_{1}right)+6Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)-4Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)+Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)$$



Here we find:




  • $Pleft(B_{1}right)=frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=Pleft(B_{2}mid B_{1}right)Pleft(B_{2}right)=frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=Pleft(B_{3}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)=Pleft(B_{4}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$


So we find: $$Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-4cdotfrac{1}{7}+6cdotfrac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}-4cdotfrac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}+frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}=frac{4}{7}$$





Now we step to the original problem.



Again number the couples $1,2,3,4,5$ and let $E_{i}$ denote the event that couple $i$ will sit together.



Further let $E$ denote the event that exactly one couple sits together.



Then $E$ is the union of the events:




  • $E_{1}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}cap E_{5}^{complement}$


  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}$.


These events are mutually excusive and equiprobable so that:



$$Pleft(Eright)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}right)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)$$



Here $Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{1}{9}$ because - after placing one
brother on a chair - there are $9$ chairs left and only $1$ of them
results in couple $1$ at the same table by placing the other brother.



Working under condition $E_{5}$ there are $4$ tables left for the
remaining $4$ couples and we are back in the problem that was solved
first.



So $Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)$ equals the $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)$ that was calculated there and we end up with:



$$Pleft(Eright)=Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{4}{7}frac{1}{9}=frac{4}{63}$$






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Let us start with another problem:




I have $8$ kids which are $4$ pairs of brothers sitting randomly across $4$ tables, each table has two seats. What is the probability that no couple sits together?




Number the couples $1,2,3,4$ and let $B_{i}$ denote the event
that couple $i$ sits together.



Then to be found is $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-Pleft(B_{1}cup B_{2}cup B_{3}cup B_{3}right)$



Applying the principle of inclusion/exclusion and also symmetry we
find that this probability equals:



$$1-4Pleft(B_{1}right)+6Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)-4Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)+Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)$$



Here we find:




  • $Pleft(B_{1}right)=frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=Pleft(B_{2}mid B_{1}right)Pleft(B_{2}right)=frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=Pleft(B_{3}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}right)=frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$

  • $Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}cap B_{4}right)=Pleft(B_{4}mid B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)Pleft(B_{1}cap B_{2}cap B_{3}right)=frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}$


So we find: $$Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)=1-4cdotfrac{1}{7}+6cdotfrac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}-4cdotfrac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}+frac{1}{1}frac{1}{3}frac{1}{5}frac{1}{7}=frac{4}{7}$$





Now we step to the original problem.



Again number the couples $1,2,3,4,5$ and let $E_{i}$ denote the event that couple $i$ will sit together.



Further let $E$ denote the event that exactly one couple sits together.



Then $E$ is the union of the events:




  • $E_{1}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}^{complement}$

  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}cap E_{5}^{complement}$


  • $E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}$.


These events are mutually excusive and equiprobable so that:



$$Pleft(Eright)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}cap E_{5}right)=5Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)$$



Here $Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{1}{9}$ because - after placing one
brother on a chair - there are $9$ chairs left and only $1$ of them
results in couple $1$ at the same table by placing the other brother.



Working under condition $E_{5}$ there are $4$ tables left for the
remaining $4$ couples and we are back in the problem that was solved
first.



So $Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)$ equals the $Pleft(B_{1}^{complement}cap B_{2}^{complement}cap B_{3}^{complement}cap B_{4}^{complement}right)$ that was calculated there and we end up with:



$$Pleft(Eright)=Pleft(E_{1}^{complement}cap E_{2}^{complement}cap E_{3}^{complement}cap E_{4}^{complement}mid E_{5}right)Pleft(E_{5}right)=frac{4}{7}frac{1}{9}=frac{4}{63}$$







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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
    $endgroup$
    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 15:28








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
    $endgroup$
    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 15:40




















  • $begingroup$
    Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
    $endgroup$
    – bm1125
    Dec 9 '18 at 15:28








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
    $endgroup$
    – drhab
    Dec 9 '18 at 15:40


















$begingroup$
Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
$endgroup$
– bm1125
Dec 9 '18 at 15:28






$begingroup$
Thank you! this is really informative answer. I'm trying to apply what you taught me here to a case of 2 couples sitting together. So if $ E $ is the event of only two couples sitting together, it is true that $ P(E) = 45 cdot P(E_1 cap E_2 cap E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c) $ because they are excursive and equiprobable so $ P(E) = 45 P(E_3^c cap E_4^c cap E_5^c | E_1 cap E_2)P(E_1 cap E_2) = frac{1}{3} cdot frac{1}{9} cdot frac{1}{7} $ ?
$endgroup$
– bm1125
Dec 9 '18 at 15:28






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1




$begingroup$
Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
$endgroup$
– drhab
Dec 9 '18 at 15:40






$begingroup$
Not factor $45$ but factor $binom52=10$. So $P(E)=10P(E_3^ccap E_4^ccap E_5^cmid E_1cap E_2)P(E_1cap E_2)$. This with $P(E_1cap E_2)=P(E_1)P(E_2mid E_1)=frac19frac17$. To find the conditional probability (I haven't done that yet) you use the same strategy as above: find the probability that by $3$ couples and $3$ tables no couple will sit together.
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– drhab
Dec 9 '18 at 15:40




















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