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It must first be addressed that under UK law, you can "self certify" for up to 7 days. This means you call in sick and you diagnose yourself. Anything above that requires a doctors note. It also means that, in reality, unless you're under a review specifically about your attendance, they're not supposed to accuse you of being anything other than ill.

The return to work interview is standard practice. It's more to cover their backs than it is yours, as they will record your absence and review it during yearly employment reviews.

5 days sick in a year isn't high. 5 occurrences of being off work sick is high. It's a subtle difference in the way HR have worded it, but I would assume they've used the Bradford Factor when calculating your time off.

The Bradford Factor is a simple formula used by employers to calculate how much time, in reality, an employee has off. Your "BF" is calculated by:

• (Number of occasions sick)² x Total number of days absent

In your case you say you've had 5 sick days off in a year. But you also mention that that's over 4 occasions. So if we calculate your time off as so:

• 4² x 5

That gives you a score of 80. Under the Bradford Factor this is considered normal.

However, if you had 5 days off on 5 separate occasions, your score would be 125 which is considered high.

In the UK there is an expectation that unless your leg is falling off you should be in work. I don't agree with that, and if I have a cold where I'm constantly coughing or tired I will not go to work. If work is particularly bad, I will work from home. But, as far as I am concerned, I am putting others at risk of catching an illness which could and would incur a number of colleagues falling ill. This also goes for sickness and diarrhea, as the bugs that cause these are extremely contagious. Which is a concern especially if a member of your team is pregnant.

I too am a software developer and can emphasize with you on your description of being ill while working. I've worked in many industries, in many offices, for many different people, and having a day off because of the flu has never been an issue.

They might act like this because it's not illegal, and someone in HR had the bright idea to put pressure on employees who dare to take more than a day or two sick leave per year. They might be trying to reduce some internal cost metric associated with employee sick leave.

Whatever the reason, while their actions may not be strictly speaking illegal, they are obviously working in terms of making one think twice before taking sick leave. They clearly have the company's and not your interests in mind.

However, implying that you might be engaging in some activities that are against company policy without any evidence to support this may be bordering on harassment and so they might be in violation of their own policy regarding professional conduct and safe working environment. You might want to read up on the law regarding that and bring some talking points to the next HR meeting.

I believe sick leave is a benefit which is part of your benefit package and that an employee should feel free to use, just like vacation leave and other benefits. Unused sick leave is often not paid out upon separation from the company, so you better use it. It is completely acceptable to not only use sick leave for physical illness but also for mental health -- a "mental health day" is not only healthy and good for you, but it is also good for your productivity and long-term effectiveness if it helps you destress, refresh, and come to work in a better disposition, with better motivation to do good work.

Moreover, you shouldn't have to ever explain the reasons behind sick leave to anyone, unless the employer has a clear written policy to this effect (assuming it is legal for them to ask this -- sickness is part of your medical history which is protected by privacy laws). Otherwise, "I am not feeling well and taking a sick day" should be sufficient 99% of the time.

I encourage you to educate yourself about your rights regarding sick leave to which you are legally entitled, and on policies which HR might be violating by pressuring you and making accusatory statements, and to stand up for yourself in the next meeting. It does not sound like you are abusing the sick policy, you are merely using the benefit which is part of your benefits package, just like vacation and salary. Hopefully they will get the point and consider dealing with you more trouble than it's worth. Good luck!

The last time I had this meeting it was my fourth in the span of one year and the tone was decidedly different. A1 Software told me that they thought I was taking "too many sick days"

It sounds like they are using the Bradford factor. The formula is S² x D which for you with 4 absences and 5 days is 80. This is in the typical "Consider Issuing a Verbal Warning" threshold. I expect this is why they are harsher.

...and further implied that I might be using them to, for example, go to daytime sports games.

I'm not sure what you mean by implied here - if they accused you of this, they are accusing you of misconduct, and this webpage may have more information for you. If they didn't say it outright and it is your interpretation then we need a little bit more information as to exactly what they said.

I don't think that four colds (or, alternatively, five individual days) off sick in one year is truly exceptional, on average.

Not exceptional, but certainly above the mean of 4.7 days off. According to the ONS, "minor illnesses (such as coughs and colds) were the most common reason for sickness absence in 2016, accounting for approximately 24.8% of the total days lost".

As a knowledge worker if I come into work when I'm not thinking straight (because, for example, I have a cold) there's a real possibility that I do more harm than good.

I do see this argument, and it's not a bad one but the average cost of you missing a day is quite possibly higher than you realise - depending on your role, your absence can have a large impact on the work others can do.

When you come into work with a cold you increase the risk of spreading it around, costing the business more money in lost productivity.

I (personally) consider this to be the biggest issue. Working with a cold, while unpleasant, is not catastrophe. Your work will still be of a reasonable quality. However, infecting other people is unbelievably antisocial. I have a cold right now, and I have a fairly good idea of exactly who gave it to me. There is still an attitude of "suck it up" attitude to illness - unless you're missing a limb you should be in work. This is a damaging attitude, but your situation is not a good place to be challenging societal norms.

We work 37.5 hour weeks which is full-time in the UK.

Full-time in the UK is a poorly defined amount - a full time worker is normally considered to work more than 35 hours (which you do). The average full time worker is close to 37.2 hours per week, so their argument of you not working many hours is wrong.

They replied: "oh no, call in sick when you're sick!"

Yes, as the link you gave says, "If you fall ill, you are entitled to take time off work until you recover". They have to allow this.

The reason for this question is that I'm off sick, in bed, right now.

This means your bradford factor is now 150. This falls into the typical threshold for "Consider Issuing a First Written Warning", so when you come back expect an even more serious response.

I'd understand if I'd taken many more days off but I'm just over the national average.

As other answers have said, the national average includes long term sickness which massively drags the average up. I expect you're quite a long way above the average.

Is there a logical reason that A1 Software would act like this?

Yes - you've had a lot of absence, across many occasions, which is disruptive to your work and to the work of others. This can cost them a significant amount of money and time.

In addition, they are following internal guidelines (the Bradford factor seems to be part of this). If they aren't consistent, they open themselves up to discrimination. If they are always relaxed about absence then someone will start to take advantage of this.

I don't think that four colds (or, alternatively, five individual days) off sick in one year is truly exceptional, on average.

According to The Guardian's health expert

"If people didn't go into work when they had colds, the UK economy would grind to a halt over winter," he says. It isn't selfish to take your cold to work with you because most colds, he points out, are caught at home, where we spend hours huddled up to each other on the sofa and in bed. Colds are so ubiquitous you can't escape them and if you are exposed to a cold virus it doesn't mean you will inevitably catch it.

According to A leading UK pharmacist

If you've got a tickle in the back of your throat or it feels as if you have postnasal drip, your cough is probably from allergies or the common cold. But unless you've got other symptoms such as aches and raised temperature, get dressed and go to work!

According to the NHS

You're infectious until all your symptoms have gone. This usually takes a week or two.

So taking one day off is not protecting anybody. The appropriate precautions are listed as

To reduce the risk of spreading a cold:

• wash your hands often with warm water and soap


• use tissues to trap germs when you cough or sneeze


• bin used tissues as quickly as possible

Nothing there about isolating yourself from all other (or selective groups of) humans.

Is there a logical reason that A1 Software would act like this?

Unless A1 Software is run by an AI, your expectation is unreasonable and illogical.

Presumably

They† think it is strange that you take a day off when you have a cold.

You do it often enough that someone† has become concerned about this.

If they have ulterior motives, we random intertubians wouldn't know exactly what they are for sure.

Notes

† Some microbe-infested meat-brained neuron-shedding human in the organisation. Like all us non-bots reading this sentence.

Personally I don't find it odd. As a programmer, I also understand the whole "can't think straight, therefore I need to call in sick".

I do wonder if your company is using a particular illness metrics system. Had one company that did this - and the tone of the meeting would change if you'd "triggered" the metric, but you wouldn't be in any trouble if the illnesses were genuine and unfixable. From the questions asked, it does make me wonder if they are using this system (as the questions were a part of it!), but I cannot remember the name of it. A string of short, spaced out illnesses triggers the metric a LOT faster than one or two long illnesses.

My personal experience: commuting on public transport has FAR more effect than number of hours worked. Stress can make you more prone to falling ill though, if you're exposed to others who are coughing and sniffling, which is probably their silly point about hours worked (which I'd say are the average!).

Honestly, unless they're threatening disciplinary action, I'd just sit through the meeting and ignore it. My similar meeting was equally frustrating, but had zero consequences. Might be worth finding out if the meetings are metrics-system-driven though.

HR is saying that you take "too many sick days". It means one of 2 things:

• They say that you take sick days when you shouldn't, i.e. they accuse you of lying about being sick


• They say you take sick days but they'd rather you didn't, regardless, i.e. they ask you to work when sick

Confront them about which it is, in writing. Either of those is bad enough.

They should never have told you that. You may want to take a lawyer, gather evidence, and file for hostile environment or harassment. (Depending on how things work in UK, this may or may not be useful at all, though)

Just to add a different point of view (unless I've missed it in someone else answer)

First of all forget for a moment the total number of sick days per se. 5 or 50, "too much" depends on the local culture, national culture, work field, and so on. As a former team leader in different Italian companies, for example, I'd never think of 5 days as "too much".

So let's focus on something different: 5 sick days total for 4 event means that you got sick 3 times for just one day and 1 time for 2 days. I'd bet my debts this is what rang the bell.

Scenery: you go to work, everything is fine, next day you call in for a sick day (it can happens, you can get sick overnight), you stay home, and just after a day you go back to work. You just managed to get a debilitating cold -so debilitating that you could not manage to go to work, and not even focusing on code- and then it magically disappears and you're happily back to work.

Can it happens? Yes. Does it make sense? Very little, but human beings are weird machines, so you can never know.

But can it really happen four times in a year that in 24 hours you go from perfectly fine, to mostly dead, to fully health? No, it cannot. And you wrote in your post that you are again ill in this moment, which means that you called 5 times sick in a year, which in itself is a...well, a lot.

Side note: I'm a long time dev and I can write the same amount of bugs both when perfectly fine and when slightly ill; the same applies to all the colleagues I've worked with in my life, but you write that you get an illness that's so bad that you cannot even think straight. Now, it takes the average dev a decent illness to fall back that bad, and I still have to see a decent illness last less than 24 hours.

Anyway, now the company needs an explanation and comes up with those four possibilities:

1. You call sick for just a day 'cause you are using it to cover some other kind of activity, like to "go to daytime sports games"


2. You work 'till you nearly drop dead, then call for a day, then go back. This is a sign of someone who's stretching too much his health for the company, so as the company HR I'd be worried for something going wrong. You are not supposed to suicide yourself, if the workload is too much or you are pushing yourself too hard, it would be nice for the HR to know. On top of that this kind of things ruin your health, which means that it makes you more prone to additional sicknesses. So the company "asked, for example, whether there were any underlying problems that they could help me to overcome so that I was ill less often"


3. You have some -more or less serious- health issue you are ignoring. As an HR, I'm politely telling you "you should call in sick when you are sick, but it's happening too often". What I really meant was "why don't you go see a doctor and sort this thing out"?


4. You sneeze and call in sick: no fever, no headache, no dizziness, nothing, you just call sick as soon as you feel a little tired. Well, know what? The company "holds its employees to a higher standard"; you colleagues work regularly, they get a little flu ('cause it's winter, it's expected) and go to work anyway; you manage to sneeze four times in a year and call in sick all four times. Maybe it's a little ridiculous and you should straighten your spine?

So, to answer your question

It seems as though my employer wants me to come into work when I'm
ill. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing that the situation has not much sense and that you are expected to find an explanation and a solution to it: the company gave you all the possible hints and support, now it's up to you.

You should go to the doctor if you haven't already.

I am no physician and I have no idea if it is normal for you being sick that much or not. Neither does HR, a formula coined in the 1980s, other people on the internet or —as shown by your question— even you.

There are dozens of factors that could need to be taken into account: your age, race, environment, places you visit, whether you have small children, your habits, diet, amount of sleep… and obviously being you (genetics).

You should go to the doctor and receive whatever instructions are suitable in your case for getting well. But you should also mention the other instances of being ill (if you didn't go there, I would suggest writing down in advance the dates you got ill, how much it took you to recover, etc.) and enquiry if that is "too much" (as implied by company A HR) or not.

It may be that it is not infrequent at all at that zone («Oh, there's a really strong strain this year, some people is coming here ill every other week»), or it may be slightly unusual and warrant further checks. Maybe there is a Vitamin A deficiency in your intake, having less leukocytes than normal, or even be suffering of an autoimmune disease that has not been diagnosed¹

Most likely, if there's anything suspicious, the doctor will focus in having you fully recovered first, and schedule some later analysis if needed.

Obviously, follow their indications and take your medicine to the end of the prescription. If I had to guess, I would think you are actually not recovering 100%, and at a later time where external factors get more slightly worse, you fall ill again. (Getting stressed about lost work or your HR department pressing you won't help either)

It is in your best interest to figure out if there is anything wrong in getting ill "as much as you do", and you should direct your efforts to discover the underlying reason (in case it was indeed too much).

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Secondly, going to the doctor now may also (sadly) turn out to be useful later, in case you needed to justify to A1 Software at some point (maybe even months later) that yes, you were ill at that date. You know that you were in bed but a neutral physician stating that will always have more weight.

Regarding the interview with HR, the above steps I mentioned which are simply what it is in your interest to do should help somewhat in either case. If it turns out that this is normal this year, they may probably still dislike you for getting ill², however reveals that you were not, for example, going to sports games.

If the physician did consider it worth studying, you will probably not have any results at the meeting (nor need you tell them what they are after you have them), but you will be able to show that you are going through a path that will (hopefully) lead to you getting sick in the future less often than if you didn't (this can be slow, though).

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Also, regarding HR reply about how it "holds its employees to a higher standard", if they bring it up again you may want to question whether there are any measures that A1 Software takes so that its employees can be at such higher standard, which you weren't taking advantage of. Maybe they help his employees getting the flu vaccination at fall? Do they offer some remote work option when reincorporating, so that you can return working again earlier, even if not recovered fully and still (likely) able to infect coworkers?

I am afraid that simply "expecting" that their employees are superhuman and never get sick ranges from completely naive to idiotic. I am sure you too wanted to hold the flu to an higher standard by hitting you less, but it didn't do that!!

Good luck and get well!

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¹ Dear reader, please, don't start worrying about suffering uncommon diseases or start taking supplements that may be unneeded, just go to the doctor.

² A problem with HR departments is that, unlike your manager, you may show simply as a number of worked hours, regardless of the actual contribution to the company that you represent.

To answer the question in the title: yes, you are missing something. Your employer does not want you to come in when being ill. He wants an employee that is ill less often than you are (for whatever reason or rationale). If that isn't you, it might be someone else.

The "joke" about your absences not matching significant sporting events is not funny. It means that they definitely suspect you of taking sick days for your own goals and have checked some obvious ones. That they did not find a match does not mean that they believe you, only that a very cursory search did not turn up a smoking gun right away.

Pulling such stunts on you makes business sense only when you are perfectly replaceable, namely your output is very much average or less. However, making business sense is not necessarily on the agenda of business majors.

Since you have rather little (at least dependably) influence on how often you may get sick, it might make sense keeping your eyes open for a different job with a more sensible employer.

HR is trying to get the number of sick days taken by employees down.

That's probably a goal set for them by management, and a way their own performance is judged.

Now with things like colds, there is of course a gray area -- there's a point where you can still work at a somewhat lowered level of effectiveness and a point where it's better for everybody that you just lie down and sleep the whole day. Where the exact dividing line is is very hard to say objectively.

And seen from HR's viewpoint, they've been given this task of bringing sick days down, but what tools do they actually have to do that? They can make you feel bad about calling in sick for a cold and put you under some pressure, so that next time maybe you'll keep working, or maybe you'll do a bit more to prevent getting quite as sick (e.g. I sometimes don't get enough sleep in the period before I get a bad cold, I should work on that). That's what's happening. Maybe you crossed some threshold or are now on top of some list so you're getting extra attention.

It's still up to you to decide what you need to do on a given day.

I don't think that four colds (or, alternatively, five individual days) off sick in one year is truly exceptional, on average.

I'd understand if I'd taken many more days off but I'm just over the national average.

Hmm, the word "average" means many things. Reading this article it appears the mean is 4.3 days per worker per year. That mean will be heavily weighted by those on long term sick leave, in the order of months. The median and mode are, in my experience, far more likely to be 1 day, although I could easily believe 0 or 2 days. So, what you're missing is that you are (probably) taking off more time sick than your colleagues.

4 days sick in one year is high, and it doesn't surprise me that it's enough to warrant further questions, though I'd expect them to be friendly at first. I'd take this previous meeting as a suggestion that you shouldn't be taking time off for colds.

Most people are able to work relatively normally while suffering from a cold. If you don't feel up to coding, consider other tasks that take less cognitive load.

If you're worried about spreading the cold around the office, consider working from home.

Personally, having worked in both civil engineering and software, I reckon I take about 1 day sick every two years; and I get every cold that's going.

They act like this because they don't trust you, so if a meeting like this is upon you, try to offer ways of evidence to support your absence.

For example is common in my country that the company sends a doctor to your home to "check on you" when you take a sick leave. Or you can go by yourself to a doctor and get a certificate.

I agree with you that 4 colds in a year is more than most, but not exceptional.

Have you considered working from home and taking half-days off when you have a cold, instead of missing the days outright? If HR has flagged you, it's important to be extra conservative about taking sick days. If this isn't possible, you might want a note from a doctor. It's also possible there are office politics going on behind your back, in which case this is likely not a team or company you would want to stay on.

By the way, Google (where I work) actually encourages employees to stay at home when they have a cold and doesn't have an official cap on the number of days one can do this. I register the day off, then try to work from home.

Why HR has taken this attitude with you in this meeting is something that we can only speculate on, and several answers have already raised various ideas. It is surprising to me that no one has mentioned this: Taking a single day off once in a while could indeed be due to a minor illness. However, having three or four occasions in a fairly short period of time (and a year to a year and a half could be considered short for this), might make the HR folks wonder if you're job hunting and calling in sick to go on job interviews.

If that's their suspicion, they may be trying to find out if it is correct. They may fear that they need to keep an extra close watch on your activities (in case you're one of those notorious disgruntled workers who might try to sabotage the company). Also they may be trying to determine if they need to prepare to fill your position soon ... or if they think it would be better to let you go before you leave.

I'm not saying any of the above is what is happening (or is appropriate if it is what they are thinking), I'm just pointing out the possibility.

What you are missing is that calling in sick on 4 different occasions is a bit on the high side. Having the flu for a week is something very different then being sick 4 times, 5 days in total.

It fits more in a pattern of someone who once in a while can't handle their alcohol intake and takes a sick-day for sobering up.

Think about stuff like that, that's why HR is all over you.

If you're sick so often, maybe you do want to go to the doctor because getting a cold 5 times in a year is abnormal.

A lot of people seem to have over-analysed this and not even referred to the title.

In terms of it seems as though - well yes clearly they do want you to come in, because they are paying you whilst you are off sick. The way it works in most software companies is that there is a daily value associated with each employee (which depends on level, experience, maybe even the project they're working on). This value - when passed through a forumla - will give the company a rough idea of how much profit they could be making from your work if you were on any given project.

Clearly they don't want to lose money so the answer about "it seems as though" is yes, it very much is the case they want you in.

Now, can they actually make you come in if you're off sick? Well, the law (as per your link) states that they must have a sickness policy.

If you're sick - put the ball back in their court - ask if they want you to come in or not. If they say no then make a record of that, and likewise if they say yes then come in and also make a record of it. If they expect you in and you're unproductive (or infect other employees causing them further losses) it was their choice to ask you to come in.

I've been in this situation before. It's disgusting how companies think they have this power over employees and try to scare them. If you were off long term sick (e.g. over a week) then a doctors note would be appropriate. Furthermore, if they level any accusations at you (e.g. attending sports events) ask them for hard evidence.

Basically, they haven't got a leg to stand on with this.