Prove $x^n$ is not uniformly convergent
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This question pertains to the sequence of functions $f_n(x)=x^n$ on the interval $[0,1]$.
It can be shown this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges point-wise to the limit $f$ where $f$ is defined by $f(x)=0$ on $[0,1)$ and $f(x)=1$ at $x=1$.
However, this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ does not converge uniformly to $f$. One way to prove this (which I have seen) is via a theorem which proves that if a sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges uniformly to $f$, then $f$ is continuous. And clearly it is not the case that $f$ is continuous in our example, so our convergence is not uniform.
However, I have seen another test for uniform convergence on an interval $s$. That is that:
$${rm lim} [{rm sup} { | f_n(x)-f(x)| : xin S }]=0$$
This conception of uniform convergence can be found in my Walter Rudin analysis book for example. My question is, how can we use this definition of uniform convergence to show $x^n$ is not uniformly convergent?
I am having trouble seeing how to apply this definition to this example, especially since the limit $f$ is defined piece-wise. But I know I need to find the sup of the difference between $f_n$ and $f$ over the interval $[0,1]$ (how do I find this sup?). And then once I find it, I need to take the limit as $ntoinfty$ and show it does not equal $0$.
Thank you for your help!
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This question pertains to the sequence of functions $f_n(x)=x^n$ on the interval $[0,1]$.
It can be shown this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges point-wise to the limit $f$ where $f$ is defined by $f(x)=0$ on $[0,1)$ and $f(x)=1$ at $x=1$.
However, this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ does not converge uniformly to $f$. One way to prove this (which I have seen) is via a theorem which proves that if a sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges uniformly to $f$, then $f$ is continuous. And clearly it is not the case that $f$ is continuous in our example, so our convergence is not uniform.
However, I have seen another test for uniform convergence on an interval $s$. That is that:
$${rm lim} [{rm sup} { | f_n(x)-f(x)| : xin S }]=0$$
This conception of uniform convergence can be found in my Walter Rudin analysis book for example. My question is, how can we use this definition of uniform convergence to show $x^n$ is not uniformly convergent?
I am having trouble seeing how to apply this definition to this example, especially since the limit $f$ is defined piece-wise. But I know I need to find the sup of the difference between $f_n$ and $f$ over the interval $[0,1]$ (how do I find this sup?). And then once I find it, I need to take the limit as $ntoinfty$ and show it does not equal $0$.
Thank you for your help!
real-analysis sequences-and-series analysis convergence uniform-convergence
You probably want something explicit. Pick $epsilon<1$ small. Check that for any $delta>0$ there is an $N$ (you can explicitly find a formula for $N$ in terms of $epsilon,delta$) such that if $n>N$, then $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<epsilon$ if $0le xle 1-delta$. Use this to explicitly verify that uniform convergence is violated.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Jan 27 '14 at 2:19
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This question pertains to the sequence of functions $f_n(x)=x^n$ on the interval $[0,1]$.
It can be shown this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges point-wise to the limit $f$ where $f$ is defined by $f(x)=0$ on $[0,1)$ and $f(x)=1$ at $x=1$.
However, this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ does not converge uniformly to $f$. One way to prove this (which I have seen) is via a theorem which proves that if a sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges uniformly to $f$, then $f$ is continuous. And clearly it is not the case that $f$ is continuous in our example, so our convergence is not uniform.
However, I have seen another test for uniform convergence on an interval $s$. That is that:
$${rm lim} [{rm sup} { | f_n(x)-f(x)| : xin S }]=0$$
This conception of uniform convergence can be found in my Walter Rudin analysis book for example. My question is, how can we use this definition of uniform convergence to show $x^n$ is not uniformly convergent?
I am having trouble seeing how to apply this definition to this example, especially since the limit $f$ is defined piece-wise. But I know I need to find the sup of the difference between $f_n$ and $f$ over the interval $[0,1]$ (how do I find this sup?). And then once I find it, I need to take the limit as $ntoinfty$ and show it does not equal $0$.
Thank you for your help!
real-analysis sequences-and-series analysis convergence uniform-convergence
This question pertains to the sequence of functions $f_n(x)=x^n$ on the interval $[0,1]$.
It can be shown this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges point-wise to the limit $f$ where $f$ is defined by $f(x)=0$ on $[0,1)$ and $f(x)=1$ at $x=1$.
However, this sequence of functions ${f_n}$ does not converge uniformly to $f$. One way to prove this (which I have seen) is via a theorem which proves that if a sequence of functions ${f_n}$ converges uniformly to $f$, then $f$ is continuous. And clearly it is not the case that $f$ is continuous in our example, so our convergence is not uniform.
However, I have seen another test for uniform convergence on an interval $s$. That is that:
$${rm lim} [{rm sup} { | f_n(x)-f(x)| : xin S }]=0$$
This conception of uniform convergence can be found in my Walter Rudin analysis book for example. My question is, how can we use this definition of uniform convergence to show $x^n$ is not uniformly convergent?
I am having trouble seeing how to apply this definition to this example, especially since the limit $f$ is defined piece-wise. But I know I need to find the sup of the difference between $f_n$ and $f$ over the interval $[0,1]$ (how do I find this sup?). And then once I find it, I need to take the limit as $ntoinfty$ and show it does not equal $0$.
Thank you for your help!
real-analysis sequences-and-series analysis convergence uniform-convergence
real-analysis sequences-and-series analysis convergence uniform-convergence
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You probably want something explicit. Pick $epsilon<1$ small. Check that for any $delta>0$ there is an $N$ (you can explicitly find a formula for $N$ in terms of $epsilon,delta$) such that if $n>N$, then $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<epsilon$ if $0le xle 1-delta$. Use this to explicitly verify that uniform convergence is violated.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Jan 27 '14 at 2:19
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You probably want something explicit. Pick $epsilon<1$ small. Check that for any $delta>0$ there is an $N$ (you can explicitly find a formula for $N$ in terms of $epsilon,delta$) such that if $n>N$, then $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<epsilon$ if $0le xle 1-delta$. Use this to explicitly verify that uniform convergence is violated.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Jan 27 '14 at 2:19
You probably want something explicit. Pick $epsilon<1$ small. Check that for any $delta>0$ there is an $N$ (you can explicitly find a formula for $N$ in terms of $epsilon,delta$) such that if $n>N$, then $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<epsilon$ if $0le xle 1-delta$. Use this to explicitly verify that uniform convergence is violated.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Jan 27 '14 at 2:19
You probably want something explicit. Pick $epsilon<1$ small. Check that for any $delta>0$ there is an $N$ (you can explicitly find a formula for $N$ in terms of $epsilon,delta$) such that if $n>N$, then $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<epsilon$ if $0le xle 1-delta$. Use this to explicitly verify that uniform convergence is violated.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Jan 27 '14 at 2:19
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It all boils down to proving that $$sup_{xin [0,1]}|x^n-chi_{{1}}|=sup_{xin [0,1)}|x^n-0|=sup_{xin[0,1)}x^n=1notto 0$$
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@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
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I think the best way to see that this function doesn't converge uniformly on $x in [0,1]$ is to note that the limiting function is discontinuous for $x in [0,a], a<1$ and $x=1$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} f_n(x)= left{
begin{array}{rl}
0 &x in [0,a]\
1 & x=1
end{array}
right.
$$
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
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It all boils down to proving that $$sup_{xin [0,1]}|x^n-chi_{{1}}|=sup_{xin [0,1)}|x^n-0|=sup_{xin[0,1)}x^n=1notto 0$$
2
@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
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5
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It all boils down to proving that $$sup_{xin [0,1]}|x^n-chi_{{1}}|=sup_{xin [0,1)}|x^n-0|=sup_{xin[0,1)}x^n=1notto 0$$
2
@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
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up vote
5
down vote
accepted
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
It all boils down to proving that $$sup_{xin [0,1]}|x^n-chi_{{1}}|=sup_{xin [0,1)}|x^n-0|=sup_{xin[0,1)}x^n=1notto 0$$
It all boils down to proving that $$sup_{xin [0,1]}|x^n-chi_{{1}}|=sup_{xin [0,1)}|x^n-0|=sup_{xin[0,1)}x^n=1notto 0$$
edited Jan 27 '14 at 2:41
answered Jan 27 '14 at 1:34
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@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
add a comment |
2
@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
2
2
@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
@Pedro Tamaroff: What is $chi_{{1}}$?
– Sujaan Kunalan
Jul 7 '16 at 14:54
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
It is the indicator function for $x=1$.
– Brofessor
Sep 5 '17 at 13:45
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
Can you explain, why you can go from $[0,1]$ to $[0,1)$?
– philmcole
Jan 8 at 17:51
add a comment |
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2
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I think the best way to see that this function doesn't converge uniformly on $x in [0,1]$ is to note that the limiting function is discontinuous for $x in [0,a], a<1$ and $x=1$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} f_n(x)= left{
begin{array}{rl}
0 &x in [0,a]\
1 & x=1
end{array}
right.
$$
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
I think the best way to see that this function doesn't converge uniformly on $x in [0,1]$ is to note that the limiting function is discontinuous for $x in [0,a], a<1$ and $x=1$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} f_n(x)= left{
begin{array}{rl}
0 &x in [0,a]\
1 & x=1
end{array}
right.
$$
add a comment |
up vote
2
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up vote
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I think the best way to see that this function doesn't converge uniformly on $x in [0,1]$ is to note that the limiting function is discontinuous for $x in [0,a], a<1$ and $x=1$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} f_n(x)= left{
begin{array}{rl}
0 &x in [0,a]\
1 & x=1
end{array}
right.
$$
I think the best way to see that this function doesn't converge uniformly on $x in [0,1]$ is to note that the limiting function is discontinuous for $x in [0,a], a<1$ and $x=1$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} f_n(x)= left{
begin{array}{rl}
0 &x in [0,a]\
1 & x=1
end{array}
right.
$$
answered Jan 27 '14 at 1:37
Alex
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You probably want something explicit. Pick $epsilon<1$ small. Check that for any $delta>0$ there is an $N$ (you can explicitly find a formula for $N$ in terms of $epsilon,delta$) such that if $n>N$, then $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<epsilon$ if $0le xle 1-delta$. Use this to explicitly verify that uniform convergence is violated.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
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