How can one individual have two different biological signatures?
A detective is investigating a series of grisly murders in New York. The bodies of the victims seem to have been ripped apart by a inhumanly strong person. He has narrowed down the list of suspects to one individual, Henry Jekyll, a scientist working out of a lab in Queens.
He secretly follows Jekyll in order to gather evidence against him. On one night, he sees Jekyll drink some concoction taken from his coat, which turns him into a freakishly large man, and kill a prostitute. He collects DNA samples of the man (blood, hair, fingerprints), but results don't provide a match for Jekyll. The detective obtains a warrant to search the doctor's premises, locating a diary describing his actions as of late. The journals detail the doctor's experiments of how he invented a concoction that allows him to bring his darker nature to the surface, allowing him to indulge in his vices without guilt or fear of discovery.
If the doctor and this other person are the same, how can it be that they don't share the same DNA?
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A detective is investigating a series of grisly murders in New York. The bodies of the victims seem to have been ripped apart by a inhumanly strong person. He has narrowed down the list of suspects to one individual, Henry Jekyll, a scientist working out of a lab in Queens.
He secretly follows Jekyll in order to gather evidence against him. On one night, he sees Jekyll drink some concoction taken from his coat, which turns him into a freakishly large man, and kill a prostitute. He collects DNA samples of the man (blood, hair, fingerprints), but results don't provide a match for Jekyll. The detective obtains a warrant to search the doctor's premises, locating a diary describing his actions as of late. The journals detail the doctor's experiments of how he invented a concoction that allows him to bring his darker nature to the surface, allowing him to indulge in his vices without guilt or fear of discovery.
If the doctor and this other person are the same, how can it be that they don't share the same DNA?
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Sounds very original :-P
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 13 '18 at 15:57
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fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2812%2900086-5/abstract --A majority of people have multiple genomes, or genome mosaicism. The New York Times ran a non-technical feature on it in 2013 titles DNA Double Take.
– Matthew Gauthier
Dec 13 '18 at 17:38
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If the detective saw Jekyll kill a prostitute, why didn't he try to stop him or shoot him? I think there might be larger plot holes in your story than just the science.
– Chloe
Dec 13 '18 at 22:11
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If a potion can suddenly make a man a foot taller, why can't it change his DNA as well? Seems like we're applying "hard sci-fi" analysis to a "soft sci-fi" scenario, which feels a bit odd.
– MJ713
Dec 13 '18 at 23:57
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Next question: How could a change in DNA result in an almost immediate and nearly complete change in physique? Dude would be hungry af...
– Mazura
Dec 14 '18 at 0:58
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A detective is investigating a series of grisly murders in New York. The bodies of the victims seem to have been ripped apart by a inhumanly strong person. He has narrowed down the list of suspects to one individual, Henry Jekyll, a scientist working out of a lab in Queens.
He secretly follows Jekyll in order to gather evidence against him. On one night, he sees Jekyll drink some concoction taken from his coat, which turns him into a freakishly large man, and kill a prostitute. He collects DNA samples of the man (blood, hair, fingerprints), but results don't provide a match for Jekyll. The detective obtains a warrant to search the doctor's premises, locating a diary describing his actions as of late. The journals detail the doctor's experiments of how he invented a concoction that allows him to bring his darker nature to the surface, allowing him to indulge in his vices without guilt or fear of discovery.
If the doctor and this other person are the same, how can it be that they don't share the same DNA?
science-based science-fiction crime
A detective is investigating a series of grisly murders in New York. The bodies of the victims seem to have been ripped apart by a inhumanly strong person. He has narrowed down the list of suspects to one individual, Henry Jekyll, a scientist working out of a lab in Queens.
He secretly follows Jekyll in order to gather evidence against him. On one night, he sees Jekyll drink some concoction taken from his coat, which turns him into a freakishly large man, and kill a prostitute. He collects DNA samples of the man (blood, hair, fingerprints), but results don't provide a match for Jekyll. The detective obtains a warrant to search the doctor's premises, locating a diary describing his actions as of late. The journals detail the doctor's experiments of how he invented a concoction that allows him to bring his darker nature to the surface, allowing him to indulge in his vices without guilt or fear of discovery.
If the doctor and this other person are the same, how can it be that they don't share the same DNA?
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Sounds very original :-P
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 13 '18 at 15:57
1
fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2812%2900086-5/abstract --A majority of people have multiple genomes, or genome mosaicism. The New York Times ran a non-technical feature on it in 2013 titles DNA Double Take.
– Matthew Gauthier
Dec 13 '18 at 17:38
8
If the detective saw Jekyll kill a prostitute, why didn't he try to stop him or shoot him? I think there might be larger plot holes in your story than just the science.
– Chloe
Dec 13 '18 at 22:11
7
If a potion can suddenly make a man a foot taller, why can't it change his DNA as well? Seems like we're applying "hard sci-fi" analysis to a "soft sci-fi" scenario, which feels a bit odd.
– MJ713
Dec 13 '18 at 23:57
2
Next question: How could a change in DNA result in an almost immediate and nearly complete change in physique? Dude would be hungry af...
– Mazura
Dec 14 '18 at 0:58
add a comment |
3
Sounds very original :-P
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 13 '18 at 15:57
1
fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2812%2900086-5/abstract --A majority of people have multiple genomes, or genome mosaicism. The New York Times ran a non-technical feature on it in 2013 titles DNA Double Take.
– Matthew Gauthier
Dec 13 '18 at 17:38
8
If the detective saw Jekyll kill a prostitute, why didn't he try to stop him or shoot him? I think there might be larger plot holes in your story than just the science.
– Chloe
Dec 13 '18 at 22:11
7
If a potion can suddenly make a man a foot taller, why can't it change his DNA as well? Seems like we're applying "hard sci-fi" analysis to a "soft sci-fi" scenario, which feels a bit odd.
– MJ713
Dec 13 '18 at 23:57
2
Next question: How could a change in DNA result in an almost immediate and nearly complete change in physique? Dude would be hungry af...
– Mazura
Dec 14 '18 at 0:58
3
3
Sounds very original :-P
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 13 '18 at 15:57
Sounds very original :-P
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 13 '18 at 15:57
1
1
fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2812%2900086-5/abstract --A majority of people have multiple genomes, or genome mosaicism. The New York Times ran a non-technical feature on it in 2013 titles DNA Double Take.
– Matthew Gauthier
Dec 13 '18 at 17:38
fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2812%2900086-5/abstract --A majority of people have multiple genomes, or genome mosaicism. The New York Times ran a non-technical feature on it in 2013 titles DNA Double Take.
– Matthew Gauthier
Dec 13 '18 at 17:38
8
8
If the detective saw Jekyll kill a prostitute, why didn't he try to stop him or shoot him? I think there might be larger plot holes in your story than just the science.
– Chloe
Dec 13 '18 at 22:11
If the detective saw Jekyll kill a prostitute, why didn't he try to stop him or shoot him? I think there might be larger plot holes in your story than just the science.
– Chloe
Dec 13 '18 at 22:11
7
7
If a potion can suddenly make a man a foot taller, why can't it change his DNA as well? Seems like we're applying "hard sci-fi" analysis to a "soft sci-fi" scenario, which feels a bit odd.
– MJ713
Dec 13 '18 at 23:57
If a potion can suddenly make a man a foot taller, why can't it change his DNA as well? Seems like we're applying "hard sci-fi" analysis to a "soft sci-fi" scenario, which feels a bit odd.
– MJ713
Dec 13 '18 at 23:57
2
2
Next question: How could a change in DNA result in an almost immediate and nearly complete change in physique? Dude would be hungry af...
– Mazura
Dec 14 '18 at 0:58
Next question: How could a change in DNA result in an almost immediate and nearly complete change in physique? Dude would be hungry af...
– Mazura
Dec 14 '18 at 0:58
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Dude is a biological chimera:
A genetic chimerism or chimera (/kɪˈmɪərə/ or /kaɪˈmɪərə/, also chimaera (chimæra) is a single organism composed of cells with distinct genotypes. In animals, this means an individual derived from two or more zygotes, which can include possessing blood cells of different blood types, subtle variations in form (phenotype) and, if the zygotes were of differing sexes, then even the possession of both female and male sex organs[1] (...) Animal chimeras are produced by the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
The fact that the first DNA sampling came out as a negative was just luck of the draw. Sherlock got a sample from one of the criminal's genotypes and compared it to the other by chance.
As for the fingerprints: it's usual for a crime scene to have the fingerprints of everyone who had been in there before the place got isolated, and the prostitute may have been visited by multiple clients (or it was a public place). The fact that they couldn't find a fingerprint match is a sign the detective did a sloppy job of comparing just the very first fingerprint they found to Jekyll's. That, or the suspect wore gloves.
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Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
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Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
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Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
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@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
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@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
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He received a transplant. Maybe a face transplant! Someone should make a movie about that.
When organs are transplanted, they retain the original DNA of their donors.
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Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
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An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
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This makes me think of Chimerism (mentioned in another answer) and Superfecundation
https://house.fandom.com/wiki/Chimerism
Chimerism is a very rare condition caused by the fusion of zygotes (fertilized eggs) into a single form during early cell duplication. It is extremely rare, with only forty or so known human cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation
Superfecundation is the fertilization of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse
Heteropaternal superfecundation refers to the fertilization of two separate ova by two different fathers.
What's that mean?
You take different sperm from two fathers (mom had a fun night - or a bad night - and might explain the latent anger boiling beneath the surface), fertilize two eggs and then join them together early in the cell duplication stage.
Now you have one man with two sets of DNA.
Additional option
Since we are already talking about long shot odds on top of long shot odds... what if the eggs were implanted by invitro... what if the eggs got mixed and now you literally have two eggs and two sperms from 4 different people? Mix those together...
Result
What does the "potion" he takes do? It temporarily gives the other set of DNA control - physically and mentally.
Why doesn't the potion work on you? Because you aren't a Chimera or Superfecundated.
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His DNA is always the same; it is the potion that filled his blood with molecules disturbing forensics exams.
- To be suitable to DNA exams, a hair must still have its bulb. Let's say they didn't find any.
- Fingerprints don't really yield DNA.
That leaves us with blood. Biological protocols are very subject to changes in pH, inhibitors and whatnot. It's sufficient that some molecule from the potion interacts with the standard kits and hinders the reactions necessary to identify its DNA.
Who knows, being a scientist he could have done it on purpose...
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You're a Cephalopod in disguise!
Cephalopods have a unique ability to alter their own RNA! Because RNA regulates gene expression you can change how your traceable genetic material is seen from murder to murder. If your criminal didn't know about this ability its just a happy mistake, if he does and this doctor knows how to interpret this ability then he can actively suppress and release his genes in specific ways.
This does not change the issue with your finger prints. Thankfully Cephalopods have a solution for you! The way they alter their own coloring is by expanding and contracting small muscles across their body. Put a few of these bad boys in your fingers so you can change or smudge your own finger print while under questioning by the police.
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Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
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Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
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Nanobots are rewriting his DNA when he transforms
It's hard to think of a plausible biological or chemical mechanism that can turn a normal-sized man into a "freakishly large" one and back again in such a short time frame. So how about this: Jekyll's potion either contains or activates a swarm of nanobots, which literally rebuild Jekyll's body before the detective's very eyes.
The 'bots suck in some matter from the surrounding air, pull some more from "less critical" organs (Hyde has no spleen and severely atrophied kidneys, since he never exists long enough to need them), and do some clever restructuring (Hyde's nano-latticed bones, while both longer and stronger than Jekyll's, actually weigh slightly less), and presto: the guy is a foot taller and has chimpanzee muscles (which are ~50% stronger than human muscles, though they sacrifice some endurance).
And while they're doing all that, they have to tweak his DNA too. Jekyll's DNA tells Jekyll's cells how to maintain Jekyll's body, not Hyde's; without the DNA changes, the whole biological system would start to fall apart the moment that the 'bots finished active construction.
Turning Hyde back into Jekyll is just the same process in reverse.
Where did the nanobots come from in the first place? Well, maybe Jekyll invented them, or maybe he salvaged them from a UFO crash site, or maybe they escaped from the lab upstairs and Jekyll doesn't even know he's using them...I'll leave it as an exercise for the writer.
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FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
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Something like that has actually sort of happened during the investigation of a Soviet serial killer Andrei Chikatilo: he was captured by the police, but released, because his blood type was different than that of the person whose sperm was found on the victims bodies. I said "sort of happened" because the explanation of the phenomenon was simple and somewhat disappointing: negligence and low quality of the tests.
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Dude is a biological chimera:
A genetic chimerism or chimera (/kɪˈmɪərə/ or /kaɪˈmɪərə/, also chimaera (chimæra) is a single organism composed of cells with distinct genotypes. In animals, this means an individual derived from two or more zygotes, which can include possessing blood cells of different blood types, subtle variations in form (phenotype) and, if the zygotes were of differing sexes, then even the possession of both female and male sex organs[1] (...) Animal chimeras are produced by the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
The fact that the first DNA sampling came out as a negative was just luck of the draw. Sherlock got a sample from one of the criminal's genotypes and compared it to the other by chance.
As for the fingerprints: it's usual for a crime scene to have the fingerprints of everyone who had been in there before the place got isolated, and the prostitute may have been visited by multiple clients (or it was a public place). The fact that they couldn't find a fingerprint match is a sign the detective did a sloppy job of comparing just the very first fingerprint they found to Jekyll's. That, or the suspect wore gloves.
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Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
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Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
1
Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
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@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
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@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
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Dude is a biological chimera:
A genetic chimerism or chimera (/kɪˈmɪərə/ or /kaɪˈmɪərə/, also chimaera (chimæra) is a single organism composed of cells with distinct genotypes. In animals, this means an individual derived from two or more zygotes, which can include possessing blood cells of different blood types, subtle variations in form (phenotype) and, if the zygotes were of differing sexes, then even the possession of both female and male sex organs[1] (...) Animal chimeras are produced by the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
The fact that the first DNA sampling came out as a negative was just luck of the draw. Sherlock got a sample from one of the criminal's genotypes and compared it to the other by chance.
As for the fingerprints: it's usual for a crime scene to have the fingerprints of everyone who had been in there before the place got isolated, and the prostitute may have been visited by multiple clients (or it was a public place). The fact that they couldn't find a fingerprint match is a sign the detective did a sloppy job of comparing just the very first fingerprint they found to Jekyll's. That, or the suspect wore gloves.
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Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
2
Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
1
Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
2
@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
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@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
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Dude is a biological chimera:
A genetic chimerism or chimera (/kɪˈmɪərə/ or /kaɪˈmɪərə/, also chimaera (chimæra) is a single organism composed of cells with distinct genotypes. In animals, this means an individual derived from two or more zygotes, which can include possessing blood cells of different blood types, subtle variations in form (phenotype) and, if the zygotes were of differing sexes, then even the possession of both female and male sex organs[1] (...) Animal chimeras are produced by the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
The fact that the first DNA sampling came out as a negative was just luck of the draw. Sherlock got a sample from one of the criminal's genotypes and compared it to the other by chance.
As for the fingerprints: it's usual for a crime scene to have the fingerprints of everyone who had been in there before the place got isolated, and the prostitute may have been visited by multiple clients (or it was a public place). The fact that they couldn't find a fingerprint match is a sign the detective did a sloppy job of comparing just the very first fingerprint they found to Jekyll's. That, or the suspect wore gloves.
Dude is a biological chimera:
A genetic chimerism or chimera (/kɪˈmɪərə/ or /kaɪˈmɪərə/, also chimaera (chimæra) is a single organism composed of cells with distinct genotypes. In animals, this means an individual derived from two or more zygotes, which can include possessing blood cells of different blood types, subtle variations in form (phenotype) and, if the zygotes were of differing sexes, then even the possession of both female and male sex organs[1] (...) Animal chimeras are produced by the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
The fact that the first DNA sampling came out as a negative was just luck of the draw. Sherlock got a sample from one of the criminal's genotypes and compared it to the other by chance.
As for the fingerprints: it's usual for a crime scene to have the fingerprints of everyone who had been in there before the place got isolated, and the prostitute may have been visited by multiple clients (or it was a public place). The fact that they couldn't find a fingerprint match is a sign the detective did a sloppy job of comparing just the very first fingerprint they found to Jekyll's. That, or the suspect wore gloves.
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Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
2
Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
1
Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
2
@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
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@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
|
show 4 more comments
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Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
2
Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
1
Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
2
@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
8
@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
11
11
Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
Damn, you were faster. The phenomenon is also called the Vanishing Twin Syndrome and there has been a case where a mother was accused of abducting her own child because her ovaries had the DNA of her vanished twin sister and the maternity test concluded she was not the biological mother of the child that grew in her own womb.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 12:05
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2
Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
Came here just to suggest this, saw that I got beaten to the draw. Upvoted
– QWriter
Dec 13 '18 at 12:27
1
1
Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
Exactly my thoughts. I remember this from one episode of CSI: Bloodlines and there is a lot of other examples in fiction for references.
– kikirex
Dec 13 '18 at 12:41
2
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@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
@Jannis he never gained any DNA from any potion. That concotion might as well be just some regular steeet drug. As per the wiki, chimeras are born from the merger of multiple fertilized eggs.
– Renan
Dec 13 '18 at 13:03
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@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
@Jannis Jekyll was a mix of 2 different DNAs from birth. Your detective accidently took the first sample from a patch of skin that had a different DNA from the inside of his mouth, where official samples are usually taken. The potion never changed his DNA.
– Elmy
Dec 13 '18 at 13:47
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He received a transplant. Maybe a face transplant! Someone should make a movie about that.
When organs are transplanted, they retain the original DNA of their donors.
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Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
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An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
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He received a transplant. Maybe a face transplant! Someone should make a movie about that.
When organs are transplanted, they retain the original DNA of their donors.
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Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
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An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
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He received a transplant. Maybe a face transplant! Someone should make a movie about that.
When organs are transplanted, they retain the original DNA of their donors.
He received a transplant. Maybe a face transplant! Someone should make a movie about that.
When organs are transplanted, they retain the original DNA of their donors.
edited Dec 13 '18 at 16:51
answered Dec 13 '18 at 15:00
Roger
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Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
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An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
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Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
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An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
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Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
Face/Off reference acknowledged
– rubenvb
Dec 13 '18 at 16:40
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4
An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
An answer that does: he's an allogeneic bone marrow transplant recipient. His white blood cells will have the donor's genome, the rest of his body will have his own
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 20:32
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This makes me think of Chimerism (mentioned in another answer) and Superfecundation
https://house.fandom.com/wiki/Chimerism
Chimerism is a very rare condition caused by the fusion of zygotes (fertilized eggs) into a single form during early cell duplication. It is extremely rare, with only forty or so known human cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation
Superfecundation is the fertilization of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse
Heteropaternal superfecundation refers to the fertilization of two separate ova by two different fathers.
What's that mean?
You take different sperm from two fathers (mom had a fun night - or a bad night - and might explain the latent anger boiling beneath the surface), fertilize two eggs and then join them together early in the cell duplication stage.
Now you have one man with two sets of DNA.
Additional option
Since we are already talking about long shot odds on top of long shot odds... what if the eggs were implanted by invitro... what if the eggs got mixed and now you literally have two eggs and two sperms from 4 different people? Mix those together...
Result
What does the "potion" he takes do? It temporarily gives the other set of DNA control - physically and mentally.
Why doesn't the potion work on you? Because you aren't a Chimera or Superfecundated.
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This makes me think of Chimerism (mentioned in another answer) and Superfecundation
https://house.fandom.com/wiki/Chimerism
Chimerism is a very rare condition caused by the fusion of zygotes (fertilized eggs) into a single form during early cell duplication. It is extremely rare, with only forty or so known human cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation
Superfecundation is the fertilization of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse
Heteropaternal superfecundation refers to the fertilization of two separate ova by two different fathers.
What's that mean?
You take different sperm from two fathers (mom had a fun night - or a bad night - and might explain the latent anger boiling beneath the surface), fertilize two eggs and then join them together early in the cell duplication stage.
Now you have one man with two sets of DNA.
Additional option
Since we are already talking about long shot odds on top of long shot odds... what if the eggs were implanted by invitro... what if the eggs got mixed and now you literally have two eggs and two sperms from 4 different people? Mix those together...
Result
What does the "potion" he takes do? It temporarily gives the other set of DNA control - physically and mentally.
Why doesn't the potion work on you? Because you aren't a Chimera or Superfecundated.
add a comment |
This makes me think of Chimerism (mentioned in another answer) and Superfecundation
https://house.fandom.com/wiki/Chimerism
Chimerism is a very rare condition caused by the fusion of zygotes (fertilized eggs) into a single form during early cell duplication. It is extremely rare, with only forty or so known human cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation
Superfecundation is the fertilization of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse
Heteropaternal superfecundation refers to the fertilization of two separate ova by two different fathers.
What's that mean?
You take different sperm from two fathers (mom had a fun night - or a bad night - and might explain the latent anger boiling beneath the surface), fertilize two eggs and then join them together early in the cell duplication stage.
Now you have one man with two sets of DNA.
Additional option
Since we are already talking about long shot odds on top of long shot odds... what if the eggs were implanted by invitro... what if the eggs got mixed and now you literally have two eggs and two sperms from 4 different people? Mix those together...
Result
What does the "potion" he takes do? It temporarily gives the other set of DNA control - physically and mentally.
Why doesn't the potion work on you? Because you aren't a Chimera or Superfecundated.
This makes me think of Chimerism (mentioned in another answer) and Superfecundation
https://house.fandom.com/wiki/Chimerism
Chimerism is a very rare condition caused by the fusion of zygotes (fertilized eggs) into a single form during early cell duplication. It is extremely rare, with only forty or so known human cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation
Superfecundation is the fertilization of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse
Heteropaternal superfecundation refers to the fertilization of two separate ova by two different fathers.
What's that mean?
You take different sperm from two fathers (mom had a fun night - or a bad night - and might explain the latent anger boiling beneath the surface), fertilize two eggs and then join them together early in the cell duplication stage.
Now you have one man with two sets of DNA.
Additional option
Since we are already talking about long shot odds on top of long shot odds... what if the eggs were implanted by invitro... what if the eggs got mixed and now you literally have two eggs and two sperms from 4 different people? Mix those together...
Result
What does the "potion" he takes do? It temporarily gives the other set of DNA control - physically and mentally.
Why doesn't the potion work on you? Because you aren't a Chimera or Superfecundated.
edited Dec 13 '18 at 16:24
answered Dec 13 '18 at 16:18
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His DNA is always the same; it is the potion that filled his blood with molecules disturbing forensics exams.
- To be suitable to DNA exams, a hair must still have its bulb. Let's say they didn't find any.
- Fingerprints don't really yield DNA.
That leaves us with blood. Biological protocols are very subject to changes in pH, inhibitors and whatnot. It's sufficient that some molecule from the potion interacts with the standard kits and hinders the reactions necessary to identify its DNA.
Who knows, being a scientist he could have done it on purpose...
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His DNA is always the same; it is the potion that filled his blood with molecules disturbing forensics exams.
- To be suitable to DNA exams, a hair must still have its bulb. Let's say they didn't find any.
- Fingerprints don't really yield DNA.
That leaves us with blood. Biological protocols are very subject to changes in pH, inhibitors and whatnot. It's sufficient that some molecule from the potion interacts with the standard kits and hinders the reactions necessary to identify its DNA.
Who knows, being a scientist he could have done it on purpose...
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His DNA is always the same; it is the potion that filled his blood with molecules disturbing forensics exams.
- To be suitable to DNA exams, a hair must still have its bulb. Let's say they didn't find any.
- Fingerprints don't really yield DNA.
That leaves us with blood. Biological protocols are very subject to changes in pH, inhibitors and whatnot. It's sufficient that some molecule from the potion interacts with the standard kits and hinders the reactions necessary to identify its DNA.
Who knows, being a scientist he could have done it on purpose...
His DNA is always the same; it is the potion that filled his blood with molecules disturbing forensics exams.
- To be suitable to DNA exams, a hair must still have its bulb. Let's say they didn't find any.
- Fingerprints don't really yield DNA.
That leaves us with blood. Biological protocols are very subject to changes in pH, inhibitors and whatnot. It's sufficient that some molecule from the potion interacts with the standard kits and hinders the reactions necessary to identify its DNA.
Who knows, being a scientist he could have done it on purpose...
answered Dec 13 '18 at 18:14
LinuxBlanket
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You're a Cephalopod in disguise!
Cephalopods have a unique ability to alter their own RNA! Because RNA regulates gene expression you can change how your traceable genetic material is seen from murder to murder. If your criminal didn't know about this ability its just a happy mistake, if he does and this doctor knows how to interpret this ability then he can actively suppress and release his genes in specific ways.
This does not change the issue with your finger prints. Thankfully Cephalopods have a solution for you! The way they alter their own coloring is by expanding and contracting small muscles across their body. Put a few of these bad boys in your fingers so you can change or smudge your own finger print while under questioning by the police.
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Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
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Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
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You're a Cephalopod in disguise!
Cephalopods have a unique ability to alter their own RNA! Because RNA regulates gene expression you can change how your traceable genetic material is seen from murder to murder. If your criminal didn't know about this ability its just a happy mistake, if he does and this doctor knows how to interpret this ability then he can actively suppress and release his genes in specific ways.
This does not change the issue with your finger prints. Thankfully Cephalopods have a solution for you! The way they alter their own coloring is by expanding and contracting small muscles across their body. Put a few of these bad boys in your fingers so you can change or smudge your own finger print while under questioning by the police.
4
Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
1
Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
add a comment |
You're a Cephalopod in disguise!
Cephalopods have a unique ability to alter their own RNA! Because RNA regulates gene expression you can change how your traceable genetic material is seen from murder to murder. If your criminal didn't know about this ability its just a happy mistake, if he does and this doctor knows how to interpret this ability then he can actively suppress and release his genes in specific ways.
This does not change the issue with your finger prints. Thankfully Cephalopods have a solution for you! The way they alter their own coloring is by expanding and contracting small muscles across their body. Put a few of these bad boys in your fingers so you can change or smudge your own finger print while under questioning by the police.
You're a Cephalopod in disguise!
Cephalopods have a unique ability to alter their own RNA! Because RNA regulates gene expression you can change how your traceable genetic material is seen from murder to murder. If your criminal didn't know about this ability its just a happy mistake, if he does and this doctor knows how to interpret this ability then he can actively suppress and release his genes in specific ways.
This does not change the issue with your finger prints. Thankfully Cephalopods have a solution for you! The way they alter their own coloring is by expanding and contracting small muscles across their body. Put a few of these bad boys in your fingers so you can change or smudge your own finger print while under questioning by the police.
edited Dec 13 '18 at 14:38
T.J.L.
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answered Dec 13 '18 at 14:33
Reed
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Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
1
Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
add a comment |
4
Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
1
Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
4
4
Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
Forensic biology is done with DNA, not RNA. Most organisms have an RNA gene expression profile that changes over time, which is why it can't be used to ID a particular individual at different time points.
– Nuclear Wang
Dec 13 '18 at 15:06
1
1
Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
Is that you, Octodad?
– Joe Bloggs
Dec 13 '18 at 17:51
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Nanobots are rewriting his DNA when he transforms
It's hard to think of a plausible biological or chemical mechanism that can turn a normal-sized man into a "freakishly large" one and back again in such a short time frame. So how about this: Jekyll's potion either contains or activates a swarm of nanobots, which literally rebuild Jekyll's body before the detective's very eyes.
The 'bots suck in some matter from the surrounding air, pull some more from "less critical" organs (Hyde has no spleen and severely atrophied kidneys, since he never exists long enough to need them), and do some clever restructuring (Hyde's nano-latticed bones, while both longer and stronger than Jekyll's, actually weigh slightly less), and presto: the guy is a foot taller and has chimpanzee muscles (which are ~50% stronger than human muscles, though they sacrifice some endurance).
And while they're doing all that, they have to tweak his DNA too. Jekyll's DNA tells Jekyll's cells how to maintain Jekyll's body, not Hyde's; without the DNA changes, the whole biological system would start to fall apart the moment that the 'bots finished active construction.
Turning Hyde back into Jekyll is just the same process in reverse.
Where did the nanobots come from in the first place? Well, maybe Jekyll invented them, or maybe he salvaged them from a UFO crash site, or maybe they escaped from the lab upstairs and Jekyll doesn't even know he's using them...I'll leave it as an exercise for the writer.
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FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
add a comment |
Nanobots are rewriting his DNA when he transforms
It's hard to think of a plausible biological or chemical mechanism that can turn a normal-sized man into a "freakishly large" one and back again in such a short time frame. So how about this: Jekyll's potion either contains or activates a swarm of nanobots, which literally rebuild Jekyll's body before the detective's very eyes.
The 'bots suck in some matter from the surrounding air, pull some more from "less critical" organs (Hyde has no spleen and severely atrophied kidneys, since he never exists long enough to need them), and do some clever restructuring (Hyde's nano-latticed bones, while both longer and stronger than Jekyll's, actually weigh slightly less), and presto: the guy is a foot taller and has chimpanzee muscles (which are ~50% stronger than human muscles, though they sacrifice some endurance).
And while they're doing all that, they have to tweak his DNA too. Jekyll's DNA tells Jekyll's cells how to maintain Jekyll's body, not Hyde's; without the DNA changes, the whole biological system would start to fall apart the moment that the 'bots finished active construction.
Turning Hyde back into Jekyll is just the same process in reverse.
Where did the nanobots come from in the first place? Well, maybe Jekyll invented them, or maybe he salvaged them from a UFO crash site, or maybe they escaped from the lab upstairs and Jekyll doesn't even know he's using them...I'll leave it as an exercise for the writer.
2
FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
add a comment |
Nanobots are rewriting his DNA when he transforms
It's hard to think of a plausible biological or chemical mechanism that can turn a normal-sized man into a "freakishly large" one and back again in such a short time frame. So how about this: Jekyll's potion either contains or activates a swarm of nanobots, which literally rebuild Jekyll's body before the detective's very eyes.
The 'bots suck in some matter from the surrounding air, pull some more from "less critical" organs (Hyde has no spleen and severely atrophied kidneys, since he never exists long enough to need them), and do some clever restructuring (Hyde's nano-latticed bones, while both longer and stronger than Jekyll's, actually weigh slightly less), and presto: the guy is a foot taller and has chimpanzee muscles (which are ~50% stronger than human muscles, though they sacrifice some endurance).
And while they're doing all that, they have to tweak his DNA too. Jekyll's DNA tells Jekyll's cells how to maintain Jekyll's body, not Hyde's; without the DNA changes, the whole biological system would start to fall apart the moment that the 'bots finished active construction.
Turning Hyde back into Jekyll is just the same process in reverse.
Where did the nanobots come from in the first place? Well, maybe Jekyll invented them, or maybe he salvaged them from a UFO crash site, or maybe they escaped from the lab upstairs and Jekyll doesn't even know he's using them...I'll leave it as an exercise for the writer.
Nanobots are rewriting his DNA when he transforms
It's hard to think of a plausible biological or chemical mechanism that can turn a normal-sized man into a "freakishly large" one and back again in such a short time frame. So how about this: Jekyll's potion either contains or activates a swarm of nanobots, which literally rebuild Jekyll's body before the detective's very eyes.
The 'bots suck in some matter from the surrounding air, pull some more from "less critical" organs (Hyde has no spleen and severely atrophied kidneys, since he never exists long enough to need them), and do some clever restructuring (Hyde's nano-latticed bones, while both longer and stronger than Jekyll's, actually weigh slightly less), and presto: the guy is a foot taller and has chimpanzee muscles (which are ~50% stronger than human muscles, though they sacrifice some endurance).
And while they're doing all that, they have to tweak his DNA too. Jekyll's DNA tells Jekyll's cells how to maintain Jekyll's body, not Hyde's; without the DNA changes, the whole biological system would start to fall apart the moment that the 'bots finished active construction.
Turning Hyde back into Jekyll is just the same process in reverse.
Where did the nanobots come from in the first place? Well, maybe Jekyll invented them, or maybe he salvaged them from a UFO crash site, or maybe they escaped from the lab upstairs and Jekyll doesn't even know he's using them...I'll leave it as an exercise for the writer.
edited Dec 13 '18 at 21:17
answered Dec 13 '18 at 17:13
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FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
add a comment |
2
FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
2
2
FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
FWIW, chimp strength also has to do with the joint structure and positioning. They sacrifice range of motion (e.g. chimps can't get the circular shoulder motion that human's can) for some power
– Punintended
Dec 13 '18 at 21:02
add a comment |
Something like that has actually sort of happened during the investigation of a Soviet serial killer Andrei Chikatilo: he was captured by the police, but released, because his blood type was different than that of the person whose sperm was found on the victims bodies. I said "sort of happened" because the explanation of the phenomenon was simple and somewhat disappointing: negligence and low quality of the tests.
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Something like that has actually sort of happened during the investigation of a Soviet serial killer Andrei Chikatilo: he was captured by the police, but released, because his blood type was different than that of the person whose sperm was found on the victims bodies. I said "sort of happened" because the explanation of the phenomenon was simple and somewhat disappointing: negligence and low quality of the tests.
add a comment |
Something like that has actually sort of happened during the investigation of a Soviet serial killer Andrei Chikatilo: he was captured by the police, but released, because his blood type was different than that of the person whose sperm was found on the victims bodies. I said "sort of happened" because the explanation of the phenomenon was simple and somewhat disappointing: negligence and low quality of the tests.
Something like that has actually sort of happened during the investigation of a Soviet serial killer Andrei Chikatilo: he was captured by the police, but released, because his blood type was different than that of the person whose sperm was found on the victims bodies. I said "sort of happened" because the explanation of the phenomenon was simple and somewhat disappointing: negligence and low quality of the tests.
answered Dec 14 '18 at 6:34
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Sounds very original :-P
– Rand al'Thor
Dec 13 '18 at 15:57
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fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2812%2900086-5/abstract --A majority of people have multiple genomes, or genome mosaicism. The New York Times ran a non-technical feature on it in 2013 titles DNA Double Take.
– Matthew Gauthier
Dec 13 '18 at 17:38
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If the detective saw Jekyll kill a prostitute, why didn't he try to stop him or shoot him? I think there might be larger plot holes in your story than just the science.
– Chloe
Dec 13 '18 at 22:11
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If a potion can suddenly make a man a foot taller, why can't it change his DNA as well? Seems like we're applying "hard sci-fi" analysis to a "soft sci-fi" scenario, which feels a bit odd.
– MJ713
Dec 13 '18 at 23:57
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Next question: How could a change in DNA result in an almost immediate and nearly complete change in physique? Dude would be hungry af...
– Mazura
Dec 14 '18 at 0:58