Why do bubbles seem to stick to the side or the bottom of a glass during boiling, before rising
When boiling water, I've noticed that bubbles will appear to grow at the bottom of the glass for a period of time and then rise. I've read that bubbles form from nucleation centers but I don't know the specifics of the nucleation dynamics. Is there a possible scenario where the bubbles, while still appearing to adhere to the bottom of the glass, are in an equilibrium where the bottom par of the bubble is being formed by water evaporating into gas, but at the top of the bubble, which might be slightly cooler, the gas is redissolving into liquid phase? If the two rates are the same then the bubble would appear stationary. At some point the water heats up enough to have rate of evaporation greater than dissolving throughout the entire bulk of the liquid and the bubble will survive its transit to the top of the liquid. I think that falling drops experience a dynamic that is th opposite of this.
A couple other thoughts that I've considered:
1) I know that boiling occurs when the vapor pressure of water is greater than atmospheric pressure. I believe that this condition is achieved even when the bubble is stationary since the bubble is displacing the surrounding bulk water and air.
2) I think that carbonated beverages can have bubbles stick to the side of a glass, but I suspect that the reason for this is different but i don't have an intuition about why carbon dioxide bubbles in a cold drink might stick, since the beverage is cold.
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When boiling water, I've noticed that bubbles will appear to grow at the bottom of the glass for a period of time and then rise. I've read that bubbles form from nucleation centers but I don't know the specifics of the nucleation dynamics. Is there a possible scenario where the bubbles, while still appearing to adhere to the bottom of the glass, are in an equilibrium where the bottom par of the bubble is being formed by water evaporating into gas, but at the top of the bubble, which might be slightly cooler, the gas is redissolving into liquid phase? If the two rates are the same then the bubble would appear stationary. At some point the water heats up enough to have rate of evaporation greater than dissolving throughout the entire bulk of the liquid and the bubble will survive its transit to the top of the liquid. I think that falling drops experience a dynamic that is th opposite of this.
A couple other thoughts that I've considered:
1) I know that boiling occurs when the vapor pressure of water is greater than atmospheric pressure. I believe that this condition is achieved even when the bubble is stationary since the bubble is displacing the surrounding bulk water and air.
2) I think that carbonated beverages can have bubbles stick to the side of a glass, but I suspect that the reason for this is different but i don't have an intuition about why carbon dioxide bubbles in a cold drink might stick, since the beverage is cold.
Thanks,
thermodynamics fluid-statics
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When boiling water, I've noticed that bubbles will appear to grow at the bottom of the glass for a period of time and then rise. I've read that bubbles form from nucleation centers but I don't know the specifics of the nucleation dynamics. Is there a possible scenario where the bubbles, while still appearing to adhere to the bottom of the glass, are in an equilibrium where the bottom par of the bubble is being formed by water evaporating into gas, but at the top of the bubble, which might be slightly cooler, the gas is redissolving into liquid phase? If the two rates are the same then the bubble would appear stationary. At some point the water heats up enough to have rate of evaporation greater than dissolving throughout the entire bulk of the liquid and the bubble will survive its transit to the top of the liquid. I think that falling drops experience a dynamic that is th opposite of this.
A couple other thoughts that I've considered:
1) I know that boiling occurs when the vapor pressure of water is greater than atmospheric pressure. I believe that this condition is achieved even when the bubble is stationary since the bubble is displacing the surrounding bulk water and air.
2) I think that carbonated beverages can have bubbles stick to the side of a glass, but I suspect that the reason for this is different but i don't have an intuition about why carbon dioxide bubbles in a cold drink might stick, since the beverage is cold.
Thanks,
thermodynamics fluid-statics
When boiling water, I've noticed that bubbles will appear to grow at the bottom of the glass for a period of time and then rise. I've read that bubbles form from nucleation centers but I don't know the specifics of the nucleation dynamics. Is there a possible scenario where the bubbles, while still appearing to adhere to the bottom of the glass, are in an equilibrium where the bottom par of the bubble is being formed by water evaporating into gas, but at the top of the bubble, which might be slightly cooler, the gas is redissolving into liquid phase? If the two rates are the same then the bubble would appear stationary. At some point the water heats up enough to have rate of evaporation greater than dissolving throughout the entire bulk of the liquid and the bubble will survive its transit to the top of the liquid. I think that falling drops experience a dynamic that is th opposite of this.
A couple other thoughts that I've considered:
1) I know that boiling occurs when the vapor pressure of water is greater than atmospheric pressure. I believe that this condition is achieved even when the bubble is stationary since the bubble is displacing the surrounding bulk water and air.
2) I think that carbonated beverages can have bubbles stick to the side of a glass, but I suspect that the reason for this is different but i don't have an intuition about why carbon dioxide bubbles in a cold drink might stick, since the beverage is cold.
Thanks,
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The bubbles are already on the surface, they are just too small to see with the naked eye.
Wetting a surface, even at room temperature, results in tiny gas/vapor bubbles at defect sites due to surface tension. For example, surface tension prevents water from seeping into tiny crevices (on the order of microns).
These tiny gas pockets expand when heated, and eventually you can see them. They were on the surface the entire time, they just expanded. They stay on the surface because surface tension pulls down and balances the upward buoyant force.
If you keep adding more energy, however, the gas in the bubble will expand. Eventually the bubble will eject from the surface because the surface tension scales inversely with bubble radius, so the force holding it back decreases. Furthermore, as the bubble increases in volume at the surface, it gains an appreciable buoyant force that overcomes surface tension. At this point, the bubble rises.
You can actually superheat water above the boiling point if you have a surface that has small enough defects, since this makes it more difficult for gas bubbles to be trapped when the surface is wetted.
Anyways, the bubbles seem to stick to the sides of the container because they were always there to begin with, thanks to surface tension. You only see them when higher temperatures cause the gas inside them to expand.
Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
– niels nielsen
44 mins ago
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It is expensive, in energy terms to, make a surface like the surface of a bubble.
By sticking to the walls or bottom of a container some of the surface is free, so it is energeticly favorable to stay partly attached until enough gas forms that the ratio of surface area to volume of gas reaches some limit (which depends on surface tension and the nature of the liquid and surface)
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The bubbles are already on the surface, they are just too small to see with the naked eye.
Wetting a surface, even at room temperature, results in tiny gas/vapor bubbles at defect sites due to surface tension. For example, surface tension prevents water from seeping into tiny crevices (on the order of microns).
These tiny gas pockets expand when heated, and eventually you can see them. They were on the surface the entire time, they just expanded. They stay on the surface because surface tension pulls down and balances the upward buoyant force.
If you keep adding more energy, however, the gas in the bubble will expand. Eventually the bubble will eject from the surface because the surface tension scales inversely with bubble radius, so the force holding it back decreases. Furthermore, as the bubble increases in volume at the surface, it gains an appreciable buoyant force that overcomes surface tension. At this point, the bubble rises.
You can actually superheat water above the boiling point if you have a surface that has small enough defects, since this makes it more difficult for gas bubbles to be trapped when the surface is wetted.
Anyways, the bubbles seem to stick to the sides of the container because they were always there to begin with, thanks to surface tension. You only see them when higher temperatures cause the gas inside them to expand.
Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
– niels nielsen
44 mins ago
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The bubbles are already on the surface, they are just too small to see with the naked eye.
Wetting a surface, even at room temperature, results in tiny gas/vapor bubbles at defect sites due to surface tension. For example, surface tension prevents water from seeping into tiny crevices (on the order of microns).
These tiny gas pockets expand when heated, and eventually you can see them. They were on the surface the entire time, they just expanded. They stay on the surface because surface tension pulls down and balances the upward buoyant force.
If you keep adding more energy, however, the gas in the bubble will expand. Eventually the bubble will eject from the surface because the surface tension scales inversely with bubble radius, so the force holding it back decreases. Furthermore, as the bubble increases in volume at the surface, it gains an appreciable buoyant force that overcomes surface tension. At this point, the bubble rises.
You can actually superheat water above the boiling point if you have a surface that has small enough defects, since this makes it more difficult for gas bubbles to be trapped when the surface is wetted.
Anyways, the bubbles seem to stick to the sides of the container because they were always there to begin with, thanks to surface tension. You only see them when higher temperatures cause the gas inside them to expand.
Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
– niels nielsen
44 mins ago
add a comment |
The bubbles are already on the surface, they are just too small to see with the naked eye.
Wetting a surface, even at room temperature, results in tiny gas/vapor bubbles at defect sites due to surface tension. For example, surface tension prevents water from seeping into tiny crevices (on the order of microns).
These tiny gas pockets expand when heated, and eventually you can see them. They were on the surface the entire time, they just expanded. They stay on the surface because surface tension pulls down and balances the upward buoyant force.
If you keep adding more energy, however, the gas in the bubble will expand. Eventually the bubble will eject from the surface because the surface tension scales inversely with bubble radius, so the force holding it back decreases. Furthermore, as the bubble increases in volume at the surface, it gains an appreciable buoyant force that overcomes surface tension. At this point, the bubble rises.
You can actually superheat water above the boiling point if you have a surface that has small enough defects, since this makes it more difficult for gas bubbles to be trapped when the surface is wetted.
Anyways, the bubbles seem to stick to the sides of the container because they were always there to begin with, thanks to surface tension. You only see them when higher temperatures cause the gas inside them to expand.
The bubbles are already on the surface, they are just too small to see with the naked eye.
Wetting a surface, even at room temperature, results in tiny gas/vapor bubbles at defect sites due to surface tension. For example, surface tension prevents water from seeping into tiny crevices (on the order of microns).
These tiny gas pockets expand when heated, and eventually you can see them. They were on the surface the entire time, they just expanded. They stay on the surface because surface tension pulls down and balances the upward buoyant force.
If you keep adding more energy, however, the gas in the bubble will expand. Eventually the bubble will eject from the surface because the surface tension scales inversely with bubble radius, so the force holding it back decreases. Furthermore, as the bubble increases in volume at the surface, it gains an appreciable buoyant force that overcomes surface tension. At this point, the bubble rises.
You can actually superheat water above the boiling point if you have a surface that has small enough defects, since this makes it more difficult for gas bubbles to be trapped when the surface is wetted.
Anyways, the bubbles seem to stick to the sides of the container because they were always there to begin with, thanks to surface tension. You only see them when higher temperatures cause the gas inside them to expand.
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Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
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Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
– niels nielsen
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Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
– niels nielsen
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Good job drew. are a physical chemist?
– niels nielsen
44 mins ago
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It is expensive, in energy terms to, make a surface like the surface of a bubble.
By sticking to the walls or bottom of a container some of the surface is free, so it is energeticly favorable to stay partly attached until enough gas forms that the ratio of surface area to volume of gas reaches some limit (which depends on surface tension and the nature of the liquid and surface)
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It is expensive, in energy terms to, make a surface like the surface of a bubble.
By sticking to the walls or bottom of a container some of the surface is free, so it is energeticly favorable to stay partly attached until enough gas forms that the ratio of surface area to volume of gas reaches some limit (which depends on surface tension and the nature of the liquid and surface)
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It is expensive, in energy terms to, make a surface like the surface of a bubble.
By sticking to the walls or bottom of a container some of the surface is free, so it is energeticly favorable to stay partly attached until enough gas forms that the ratio of surface area to volume of gas reaches some limit (which depends on surface tension and the nature of the liquid and surface)
It is expensive, in energy terms to, make a surface like the surface of a bubble.
By sticking to the walls or bottom of a container some of the surface is free, so it is energeticly favorable to stay partly attached until enough gas forms that the ratio of surface area to volume of gas reaches some limit (which depends on surface tension and the nature of the liquid and surface)
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