Name for words like whatchamacallit, doohickey, thingamabob [duplicate]





.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty{ margin-bottom:0;
}







15
















This question already has an answer here:




  • Term for using “thingy-esque” phrases rather than a common word

    8 answers




Is there a name for words like whatchamacallit, doohickey, thingamabob, doodad, thingamajig, whatsit, etc.?



Somehow it seems like there should be a word to describe the general term for a word that you use for referring to something when you cannot remember what it is called.



(Computing names like foo, bar, baz are examples of metasyntactic variables but those are a slightly different category.)










share|improve this question













marked as duplicate by Hugo, Mazura, Mari-Lou A single-word-requests
Users with the  single-word-requests badge can single-handedly close single-word-requests questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed.

StackExchange.ready(function() {
if (StackExchange.options.isMobile) return;

$('.dupe-hammer-message-hover:not(.hover-bound)').each(function() {
var $hover = $(this).addClass('hover-bound'),
$msg = $hover.siblings('.dupe-hammer-message');

$hover.hover(
function() {
$hover.showInfoMessage('', {
messageElement: $msg.clone().show(),
transient: false,
position: { my: 'bottom left', at: 'top center', offsetTop: -7 },
dismissable: false,
relativeToBody: true
});
},
function() {
StackExchange.helpers.removeMessages();
}
);
});
});
Feb 7 at 23:17


This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.














  • 1





    It's idiosyncratic but related: atlasobscura.com/articles/…

    – user662852
    Feb 6 at 21:02






  • 2





    According to John Lawler, they're called Nonce Forms

    – ale10ander
    Feb 6 at 21:13











  • They're all dingbobs for dodaddles!

    – Hot Licks
    Feb 6 at 23:23






  • 1





    @ale10ander: with all due respect for John Lawler, a nonce word is a newly-coined word which is used once for a specific meaing, whereas a placeholder like "whatchamacallit" is a widely-agreed-upon form which can be used as a substitute for arbitrary terms.

    – rici
    Feb 7 at 2:22











  • I like placeholder but if you want another option: stand-in.

    – aparente001
    Feb 7 at 6:46




















15
















This question already has an answer here:




  • Term for using “thingy-esque” phrases rather than a common word

    8 answers




Is there a name for words like whatchamacallit, doohickey, thingamabob, doodad, thingamajig, whatsit, etc.?



Somehow it seems like there should be a word to describe the general term for a word that you use for referring to something when you cannot remember what it is called.



(Computing names like foo, bar, baz are examples of metasyntactic variables but those are a slightly different category.)










share|improve this question













marked as duplicate by Hugo, Mazura, Mari-Lou A single-word-requests
Users with the  single-word-requests badge can single-handedly close single-word-requests questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed.

StackExchange.ready(function() {
if (StackExchange.options.isMobile) return;

$('.dupe-hammer-message-hover:not(.hover-bound)').each(function() {
var $hover = $(this).addClass('hover-bound'),
$msg = $hover.siblings('.dupe-hammer-message');

$hover.hover(
function() {
$hover.showInfoMessage('', {
messageElement: $msg.clone().show(),
transient: false,
position: { my: 'bottom left', at: 'top center', offsetTop: -7 },
dismissable: false,
relativeToBody: true
});
},
function() {
StackExchange.helpers.removeMessages();
}
);
});
});
Feb 7 at 23:17


This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.














  • 1





    It's idiosyncratic but related: atlasobscura.com/articles/…

    – user662852
    Feb 6 at 21:02






  • 2





    According to John Lawler, they're called Nonce Forms

    – ale10ander
    Feb 6 at 21:13











  • They're all dingbobs for dodaddles!

    – Hot Licks
    Feb 6 at 23:23






  • 1





    @ale10ander: with all due respect for John Lawler, a nonce word is a newly-coined word which is used once for a specific meaing, whereas a placeholder like "whatchamacallit" is a widely-agreed-upon form which can be used as a substitute for arbitrary terms.

    – rici
    Feb 7 at 2:22











  • I like placeholder but if you want another option: stand-in.

    – aparente001
    Feb 7 at 6:46
















15












15








15


2







This question already has an answer here:




  • Term for using “thingy-esque” phrases rather than a common word

    8 answers




Is there a name for words like whatchamacallit, doohickey, thingamabob, doodad, thingamajig, whatsit, etc.?



Somehow it seems like there should be a word to describe the general term for a word that you use for referring to something when you cannot remember what it is called.



(Computing names like foo, bar, baz are examples of metasyntactic variables but those are a slightly different category.)










share|improve this question















This question already has an answer here:




  • Term for using “thingy-esque” phrases rather than a common word

    8 answers




Is there a name for words like whatchamacallit, doohickey, thingamabob, doodad, thingamajig, whatsit, etc.?



Somehow it seems like there should be a word to describe the general term for a word that you use for referring to something when you cannot remember what it is called.



(Computing names like foo, bar, baz are examples of metasyntactic variables but those are a slightly different category.)





This question already has an answer here:




  • Term for using “thingy-esque” phrases rather than a common word

    8 answers








single-word-requests






share|improve this question













share|improve this question











share|improve this question




share|improve this question










asked Feb 6 at 19:47









Jason SJason S

4932619




4932619




marked as duplicate by Hugo, Mazura, Mari-Lou A single-word-requests
Users with the  single-word-requests badge can single-handedly close single-word-requests questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed.

StackExchange.ready(function() {
if (StackExchange.options.isMobile) return;

$('.dupe-hammer-message-hover:not(.hover-bound)').each(function() {
var $hover = $(this).addClass('hover-bound'),
$msg = $hover.siblings('.dupe-hammer-message');

$hover.hover(
function() {
$hover.showInfoMessage('', {
messageElement: $msg.clone().show(),
transient: false,
position: { my: 'bottom left', at: 'top center', offsetTop: -7 },
dismissable: false,
relativeToBody: true
});
},
function() {
StackExchange.helpers.removeMessages();
}
);
});
});
Feb 7 at 23:17


This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.









marked as duplicate by Hugo, Mazura, Mari-Lou A single-word-requests
Users with the  single-word-requests badge can single-handedly close single-word-requests questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed.

StackExchange.ready(function() {
if (StackExchange.options.isMobile) return;

$('.dupe-hammer-message-hover:not(.hover-bound)').each(function() {
var $hover = $(this).addClass('hover-bound'),
$msg = $hover.siblings('.dupe-hammer-message');

$hover.hover(
function() {
$hover.showInfoMessage('', {
messageElement: $msg.clone().show(),
transient: false,
position: { my: 'bottom left', at: 'top center', offsetTop: -7 },
dismissable: false,
relativeToBody: true
});
},
function() {
StackExchange.helpers.removeMessages();
}
);
});
});
Feb 7 at 23:17


This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.










  • 1





    It's idiosyncratic but related: atlasobscura.com/articles/…

    – user662852
    Feb 6 at 21:02






  • 2





    According to John Lawler, they're called Nonce Forms

    – ale10ander
    Feb 6 at 21:13











  • They're all dingbobs for dodaddles!

    – Hot Licks
    Feb 6 at 23:23






  • 1





    @ale10ander: with all due respect for John Lawler, a nonce word is a newly-coined word which is used once for a specific meaing, whereas a placeholder like "whatchamacallit" is a widely-agreed-upon form which can be used as a substitute for arbitrary terms.

    – rici
    Feb 7 at 2:22











  • I like placeholder but if you want another option: stand-in.

    – aparente001
    Feb 7 at 6:46
















  • 1





    It's idiosyncratic but related: atlasobscura.com/articles/…

    – user662852
    Feb 6 at 21:02






  • 2





    According to John Lawler, they're called Nonce Forms

    – ale10ander
    Feb 6 at 21:13











  • They're all dingbobs for dodaddles!

    – Hot Licks
    Feb 6 at 23:23






  • 1





    @ale10ander: with all due respect for John Lawler, a nonce word is a newly-coined word which is used once for a specific meaing, whereas a placeholder like "whatchamacallit" is a widely-agreed-upon form which can be used as a substitute for arbitrary terms.

    – rici
    Feb 7 at 2:22











  • I like placeholder but if you want another option: stand-in.

    – aparente001
    Feb 7 at 6:46










1




1





It's idiosyncratic but related: atlasobscura.com/articles/…

– user662852
Feb 6 at 21:02





It's idiosyncratic but related: atlasobscura.com/articles/…

– user662852
Feb 6 at 21:02




2




2





According to John Lawler, they're called Nonce Forms

– ale10ander
Feb 6 at 21:13





According to John Lawler, they're called Nonce Forms

– ale10ander
Feb 6 at 21:13













They're all dingbobs for dodaddles!

– Hot Licks
Feb 6 at 23:23





They're all dingbobs for dodaddles!

– Hot Licks
Feb 6 at 23:23




1




1





@ale10ander: with all due respect for John Lawler, a nonce word is a newly-coined word which is used once for a specific meaing, whereas a placeholder like "whatchamacallit" is a widely-agreed-upon form which can be used as a substitute for arbitrary terms.

– rici
Feb 7 at 2:22





@ale10ander: with all due respect for John Lawler, a nonce word is a newly-coined word which is used once for a specific meaing, whereas a placeholder like "whatchamacallit" is a widely-agreed-upon form which can be used as a substitute for arbitrary terms.

– rici
Feb 7 at 2:22













I like placeholder but if you want another option: stand-in.

– aparente001
Feb 7 at 6:46







I like placeholder but if you want another option: stand-in.

– aparente001
Feb 7 at 6:46












2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes


















20














These are placeholders:




placeholder is a word (such as whatchamacallit) used by speakers to signal that they don't know or can't remember a more precise word for something. Also known as a kadigantongue-tipper, and dummy noun.
ThoughtCo.







share|improve this answer



















  • 1





    that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

    – Jason S
    Feb 6 at 21:02











  • See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

    – Hugo
    Feb 6 at 21:19






  • 4





    @JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

    – Kamil Drakari
    Feb 6 at 21:38








  • 3





    I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

    – barbecue
    Feb 7 at 1:54













  • @barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

    – JMac
    Feb 7 at 14:25



















0














Although not a single word, you can call them "Vague Expressions"




. . .

We can use vague expressions when we are not sure of the name of something.

. . .
› Spoken English

In very informal speaking, we sometimes say /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪt/, /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪm/, /ˈθɪŋəmi/, /ˈθɪŋəmədʒɪg/... [cambridge.org/grammar]




The grammar article doesn't list all the question examples but I think they can be safely put in the same category. I am unaware of there being a single word with the precise meaning of "vague expression".



If you wanted to use a synecdoche figure of speech you could call them, say, "something-or-others" as in "Their explanation used too many something-or-others instead of the correct words for things".






share|improve this answer





















  • 4





    If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

    – Mitch
    Feb 6 at 23:46


















2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes








2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









20














These are placeholders:




placeholder is a word (such as whatchamacallit) used by speakers to signal that they don't know or can't remember a more precise word for something. Also known as a kadigantongue-tipper, and dummy noun.
ThoughtCo.







share|improve this answer



















  • 1





    that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

    – Jason S
    Feb 6 at 21:02











  • See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

    – Hugo
    Feb 6 at 21:19






  • 4





    @JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

    – Kamil Drakari
    Feb 6 at 21:38








  • 3





    I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

    – barbecue
    Feb 7 at 1:54













  • @barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

    – JMac
    Feb 7 at 14:25
















20














These are placeholders:




placeholder is a word (such as whatchamacallit) used by speakers to signal that they don't know or can't remember a more precise word for something. Also known as a kadigantongue-tipper, and dummy noun.
ThoughtCo.







share|improve this answer



















  • 1





    that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

    – Jason S
    Feb 6 at 21:02











  • See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

    – Hugo
    Feb 6 at 21:19






  • 4





    @JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

    – Kamil Drakari
    Feb 6 at 21:38








  • 3





    I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

    – barbecue
    Feb 7 at 1:54













  • @barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

    – JMac
    Feb 7 at 14:25














20












20








20







These are placeholders:




placeholder is a word (such as whatchamacallit) used by speakers to signal that they don't know or can't remember a more precise word for something. Also known as a kadigantongue-tipper, and dummy noun.
ThoughtCo.







share|improve this answer













These are placeholders:




placeholder is a word (such as whatchamacallit) used by speakers to signal that they don't know or can't remember a more precise word for something. Also known as a kadigantongue-tipper, and dummy noun.
ThoughtCo.








share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered Feb 6 at 20:04









LaurelLaurel

34.9k668121




34.9k668121








  • 1





    that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

    – Jason S
    Feb 6 at 21:02











  • See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

    – Hugo
    Feb 6 at 21:19






  • 4





    @JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

    – Kamil Drakari
    Feb 6 at 21:38








  • 3





    I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

    – barbecue
    Feb 7 at 1:54













  • @barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

    – JMac
    Feb 7 at 14:25














  • 1





    that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

    – Jason S
    Feb 6 at 21:02











  • See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

    – Hugo
    Feb 6 at 21:19






  • 4





    @JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

    – Kamil Drakari
    Feb 6 at 21:38








  • 3





    I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

    – barbecue
    Feb 7 at 1:54













  • @barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

    – JMac
    Feb 7 at 14:25








1




1





that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

– Jason S
Feb 6 at 21:02





that would be a reasonable answer... except that if I look up placeholder in a dictionary I get no reference to whatchamacallit, etc. (see dictionary.com/browse/placeholder and dictionary.com/browse/placeholder)

– Jason S
Feb 6 at 21:02













See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

– Hugo
Feb 6 at 21:19





See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

– Hugo
Feb 6 at 21:19




4




4





@JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

– Kamil Drakari
Feb 6 at 21:38







@JasonS You seem to have given the same link twice. Also, dictionary.com doesn't typically give examples in that sense; a Ford Fiesta is a car even though it isn't mentioned at dictionary.com/browse/car

– Kamil Drakari
Feb 6 at 21:38






3




3





I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

– barbecue
Feb 7 at 1:54







I was surprised by @JasonS's comment, but I checked a few dictionaries and found that a surprising number of them refer to placeholder as being either mathematical or political terminology. As a long-time native speaker, I am 100% sure this word is much more widely used than in just those specific fields. It's very easy to find countless examples in popular culture, literature, science, sports, etc.

– barbecue
Feb 7 at 1:54















@barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

– JMac
Feb 7 at 14:25





@barbecue What seems especially strange to me is that I've rarely, if ever, seen it used in the two contexts given. In math, generally the term "placeholder" was quickly replaced with "variable" in most instances. I don't think I've ever heard of someone in a political position referred to as a "placeholder" under those circumstances.

– JMac
Feb 7 at 14:25













0














Although not a single word, you can call them "Vague Expressions"




. . .

We can use vague expressions when we are not sure of the name of something.

. . .
› Spoken English

In very informal speaking, we sometimes say /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪt/, /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪm/, /ˈθɪŋəmi/, /ˈθɪŋəmədʒɪg/... [cambridge.org/grammar]




The grammar article doesn't list all the question examples but I think they can be safely put in the same category. I am unaware of there being a single word with the precise meaning of "vague expression".



If you wanted to use a synecdoche figure of speech you could call them, say, "something-or-others" as in "Their explanation used too many something-or-others instead of the correct words for things".






share|improve this answer





















  • 4





    If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

    – Mitch
    Feb 6 at 23:46
















0














Although not a single word, you can call them "Vague Expressions"




. . .

We can use vague expressions when we are not sure of the name of something.

. . .
› Spoken English

In very informal speaking, we sometimes say /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪt/, /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪm/, /ˈθɪŋəmi/, /ˈθɪŋəmədʒɪg/... [cambridge.org/grammar]




The grammar article doesn't list all the question examples but I think they can be safely put in the same category. I am unaware of there being a single word with the precise meaning of "vague expression".



If you wanted to use a synecdoche figure of speech you could call them, say, "something-or-others" as in "Their explanation used too many something-or-others instead of the correct words for things".






share|improve this answer





















  • 4





    If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

    – Mitch
    Feb 6 at 23:46














0












0








0







Although not a single word, you can call them "Vague Expressions"




. . .

We can use vague expressions when we are not sure of the name of something.

. . .
› Spoken English

In very informal speaking, we sometimes say /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪt/, /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪm/, /ˈθɪŋəmi/, /ˈθɪŋəmədʒɪg/... [cambridge.org/grammar]




The grammar article doesn't list all the question examples but I think they can be safely put in the same category. I am unaware of there being a single word with the precise meaning of "vague expression".



If you wanted to use a synecdoche figure of speech you could call them, say, "something-or-others" as in "Their explanation used too many something-or-others instead of the correct words for things".






share|improve this answer















Although not a single word, you can call them "Vague Expressions"




. . .

We can use vague expressions when we are not sure of the name of something.

. . .
› Spoken English

In very informal speaking, we sometimes say /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪt/, /ˈwɒtʃjəməkɔ:lɪm/, /ˈθɪŋəmi/, /ˈθɪŋəmədʒɪg/... [cambridge.org/grammar]




The grammar article doesn't list all the question examples but I think they can be safely put in the same category. I am unaware of there being a single word with the precise meaning of "vague expression".



If you wanted to use a synecdoche figure of speech you could call them, say, "something-or-others" as in "Their explanation used too many something-or-others instead of the correct words for things".







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited Feb 6 at 23:38

























answered Feb 6 at 23:15









traktor53traktor53

60338




60338








  • 4





    If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

    – Mitch
    Feb 6 at 23:46














  • 4





    If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

    – Mitch
    Feb 6 at 23:46








4




4





If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

– Mitch
Feb 6 at 23:46





If 'it' is the concept, then it -is- a vague expression, but that's not what you -call- it. And we're looking for what you call it.

– Mitch
Feb 6 at 23:46



Popular posts from this blog

Plaza Victoria

Puebla de Zaragoza

Musa