Value of operator norm when $mathcal{T}f(x)=int^{x}_{0} f(t)dt$
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Let $mathcal{C}$ be the space of continuous functions on $[0,1]$ equipped with the norm $|f|=int^{1}_{0}|f(t)|dt$. Define a linear map $mathcal{T}:mathcal{C}rightarrow mathcal{C}$ by
$$ mathcal{T}f(x)=int^{x}_{0}f(t)dt. $$
Show that $mathcal{T}$ is well-defined and bounded and determine the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$.
I proved the first two parts myself, but I am having trouble with determining the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$. I was able to show that it is bounded by $1$ though. Observe that
$$|mathcal{T}f|=int^{1}_{0}left|int^{x}_{0}f(t)dtright|dxleq int^{1}_{0}|f|dx = |f| $$
Therefore,
$$ |mathcal{T}|_{text{op}} = underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|mathcal{T}f|}{|f|}leq underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|f|}{|f|}=1 $$
I tried seeing if I could then construct a function where the operator equals $1$, but I've had no success. Anybody have any solutions or hints? Any help is appreciated.
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Let $mathcal{C}$ be the space of continuous functions on $[0,1]$ equipped with the norm $|f|=int^{1}_{0}|f(t)|dt$. Define a linear map $mathcal{T}:mathcal{C}rightarrow mathcal{C}$ by
$$ mathcal{T}f(x)=int^{x}_{0}f(t)dt. $$
Show that $mathcal{T}$ is well-defined and bounded and determine the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$.
I proved the first two parts myself, but I am having trouble with determining the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$. I was able to show that it is bounded by $1$ though. Observe that
$$|mathcal{T}f|=int^{1}_{0}left|int^{x}_{0}f(t)dtright|dxleq int^{1}_{0}|f|dx = |f| $$
Therefore,
$$ |mathcal{T}|_{text{op}} = underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|mathcal{T}f|}{|f|}leq underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|f|}{|f|}=1 $$
I tried seeing if I could then construct a function where the operator equals $1$, but I've had no success. Anybody have any solutions or hints? Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis functional-analysis operator-theory
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Sorry, had to make another edit due to a typo...
– Joe Man Analysis
Nov 14 at 2:21
see volterra integral operator
– qbert
Nov 14 at 3:08
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Maybe, take $f_n=1_{[0,1/n]}$. Compute the norm of $f_n$ and of $Tf_n$.
– Shalop
Nov 14 at 3:17
@Shalop. That's not a sequence of continuous functions.
– md2perpe
2 days ago
@md2perpe fine. Then take $f_n(x)=max{1-nx,0}$ I suppose. And $(1-x)^n$ probably works too. It’s a bit silly since continuous functions are dense in L^1 anyways, so it doesn’t matter much.
– Shalop
2 days ago
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Let $mathcal{C}$ be the space of continuous functions on $[0,1]$ equipped with the norm $|f|=int^{1}_{0}|f(t)|dt$. Define a linear map $mathcal{T}:mathcal{C}rightarrow mathcal{C}$ by
$$ mathcal{T}f(x)=int^{x}_{0}f(t)dt. $$
Show that $mathcal{T}$ is well-defined and bounded and determine the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$.
I proved the first two parts myself, but I am having trouble with determining the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$. I was able to show that it is bounded by $1$ though. Observe that
$$|mathcal{T}f|=int^{1}_{0}left|int^{x}_{0}f(t)dtright|dxleq int^{1}_{0}|f|dx = |f| $$
Therefore,
$$ |mathcal{T}|_{text{op}} = underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|mathcal{T}f|}{|f|}leq underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|f|}{|f|}=1 $$
I tried seeing if I could then construct a function where the operator equals $1$, but I've had no success. Anybody have any solutions or hints? Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis functional-analysis operator-theory
Let $mathcal{C}$ be the space of continuous functions on $[0,1]$ equipped with the norm $|f|=int^{1}_{0}|f(t)|dt$. Define a linear map $mathcal{T}:mathcal{C}rightarrow mathcal{C}$ by
$$ mathcal{T}f(x)=int^{x}_{0}f(t)dt. $$
Show that $mathcal{T}$ is well-defined and bounded and determine the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$.
I proved the first two parts myself, but I am having trouble with determining the value of $|mathcal{T}|_{text{op}}$. I was able to show that it is bounded by $1$ though. Observe that
$$|mathcal{T}f|=int^{1}_{0}left|int^{x}_{0}f(t)dtright|dxleq int^{1}_{0}|f|dx = |f| $$
Therefore,
$$ |mathcal{T}|_{text{op}} = underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|mathcal{T}f|}{|f|}leq underset{|f|=1}{sup}frac{|f|}{|f|}=1 $$
I tried seeing if I could then construct a function where the operator equals $1$, but I've had no success. Anybody have any solutions or hints? Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis functional-analysis operator-theory
real-analysis functional-analysis operator-theory
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Sorry, had to make another edit due to a typo...
– Joe Man Analysis
Nov 14 at 2:21
see volterra integral operator
– qbert
Nov 14 at 3:08
1
Maybe, take $f_n=1_{[0,1/n]}$. Compute the norm of $f_n$ and of $Tf_n$.
– Shalop
Nov 14 at 3:17
@Shalop. That's not a sequence of continuous functions.
– md2perpe
2 days ago
@md2perpe fine. Then take $f_n(x)=max{1-nx,0}$ I suppose. And $(1-x)^n$ probably works too. It’s a bit silly since continuous functions are dense in L^1 anyways, so it doesn’t matter much.
– Shalop
2 days ago
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2
Sorry, had to make another edit due to a typo...
– Joe Man Analysis
Nov 14 at 2:21
see volterra integral operator
– qbert
Nov 14 at 3:08
1
Maybe, take $f_n=1_{[0,1/n]}$. Compute the norm of $f_n$ and of $Tf_n$.
– Shalop
Nov 14 at 3:17
@Shalop. That's not a sequence of continuous functions.
– md2perpe
2 days ago
@md2perpe fine. Then take $f_n(x)=max{1-nx,0}$ I suppose. And $(1-x)^n$ probably works too. It’s a bit silly since continuous functions are dense in L^1 anyways, so it doesn’t matter much.
– Shalop
2 days ago
2
2
Sorry, had to make another edit due to a typo...
– Joe Man Analysis
Nov 14 at 2:21
Sorry, had to make another edit due to a typo...
– Joe Man Analysis
Nov 14 at 2:21
see volterra integral operator
– qbert
Nov 14 at 3:08
see volterra integral operator
– qbert
Nov 14 at 3:08
1
1
Maybe, take $f_n=1_{[0,1/n]}$. Compute the norm of $f_n$ and of $Tf_n$.
– Shalop
Nov 14 at 3:17
Maybe, take $f_n=1_{[0,1/n]}$. Compute the norm of $f_n$ and of $Tf_n$.
– Shalop
Nov 14 at 3:17
@Shalop. That's not a sequence of continuous functions.
– md2perpe
2 days ago
@Shalop. That's not a sequence of continuous functions.
– md2perpe
2 days ago
@md2perpe fine. Then take $f_n(x)=max{1-nx,0}$ I suppose. And $(1-x)^n$ probably works too. It’s a bit silly since continuous functions are dense in L^1 anyways, so it doesn’t matter much.
– Shalop
2 days ago
@md2perpe fine. Then take $f_n(x)=max{1-nx,0}$ I suppose. And $(1-x)^n$ probably works too. It’s a bit silly since continuous functions are dense in L^1 anyways, so it doesn’t matter much.
– Shalop
2 days ago
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For $nin Bbb N:$ Let $K_n=frac {1}{n+1}+frac {1}{(n+1)^2}.$ Let $f_n(x)=n+1$ for $xin [0,frac {1}{n+1}].$ Let $f_n(x)=0$ for $xin [K_n,1].$ Let $f_n(x)$ be linear for $xin [frac {1}{n+1},K_n].$
We have $|f_n|=1+frac {1}{2(n+1)}.$
For $xin [frac {1}{n+1},1]$ we have $(Tf_n)(x)geq (Tf_n)(frac {1}{n+1})=1.$ $$text {So }quad |Tf_n|geq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 (Tf_n)(x)dxgeq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 1cdot dx=$$ $$=1-frac {1}{n+1}.$$
$$text {So} quad frac {|Tf_n|}{|f_n|}geq frac {1-frac {1}{n+1}}{ 1+frac {1}{2(n+1) }}.$$
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It might be hard (or impossible) to find a function for which $ ||mathcal{T}f||$ is exactly equal to $||f||$, but you only need to find a sequence of functions $f_n$, such that $$frac{||mathcal{T}f_n||}{||f_n||} to 1quad text{as } n to infty.$$
Note that you do not need the limit of the $f_n$ to be a continuous function!
You should try to construct one such sequence using elementary functions. Try to write down a few examples with some free parameters, and see if you can cook up such a sequence!
I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
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For $nin Bbb N:$ Let $K_n=frac {1}{n+1}+frac {1}{(n+1)^2}.$ Let $f_n(x)=n+1$ for $xin [0,frac {1}{n+1}].$ Let $f_n(x)=0$ for $xin [K_n,1].$ Let $f_n(x)$ be linear for $xin [frac {1}{n+1},K_n].$
We have $|f_n|=1+frac {1}{2(n+1)}.$
For $xin [frac {1}{n+1},1]$ we have $(Tf_n)(x)geq (Tf_n)(frac {1}{n+1})=1.$ $$text {So }quad |Tf_n|geq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 (Tf_n)(x)dxgeq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 1cdot dx=$$ $$=1-frac {1}{n+1}.$$
$$text {So} quad frac {|Tf_n|}{|f_n|}geq frac {1-frac {1}{n+1}}{ 1+frac {1}{2(n+1) }}.$$
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For $nin Bbb N:$ Let $K_n=frac {1}{n+1}+frac {1}{(n+1)^2}.$ Let $f_n(x)=n+1$ for $xin [0,frac {1}{n+1}].$ Let $f_n(x)=0$ for $xin [K_n,1].$ Let $f_n(x)$ be linear for $xin [frac {1}{n+1},K_n].$
We have $|f_n|=1+frac {1}{2(n+1)}.$
For $xin [frac {1}{n+1},1]$ we have $(Tf_n)(x)geq (Tf_n)(frac {1}{n+1})=1.$ $$text {So }quad |Tf_n|geq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 (Tf_n)(x)dxgeq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 1cdot dx=$$ $$=1-frac {1}{n+1}.$$
$$text {So} quad frac {|Tf_n|}{|f_n|}geq frac {1-frac {1}{n+1}}{ 1+frac {1}{2(n+1) }}.$$
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For $nin Bbb N:$ Let $K_n=frac {1}{n+1}+frac {1}{(n+1)^2}.$ Let $f_n(x)=n+1$ for $xin [0,frac {1}{n+1}].$ Let $f_n(x)=0$ for $xin [K_n,1].$ Let $f_n(x)$ be linear for $xin [frac {1}{n+1},K_n].$
We have $|f_n|=1+frac {1}{2(n+1)}.$
For $xin [frac {1}{n+1},1]$ we have $(Tf_n)(x)geq (Tf_n)(frac {1}{n+1})=1.$ $$text {So }quad |Tf_n|geq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 (Tf_n)(x)dxgeq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 1cdot dx=$$ $$=1-frac {1}{n+1}.$$
$$text {So} quad frac {|Tf_n|}{|f_n|}geq frac {1-frac {1}{n+1}}{ 1+frac {1}{2(n+1) }}.$$
For $nin Bbb N:$ Let $K_n=frac {1}{n+1}+frac {1}{(n+1)^2}.$ Let $f_n(x)=n+1$ for $xin [0,frac {1}{n+1}].$ Let $f_n(x)=0$ for $xin [K_n,1].$ Let $f_n(x)$ be linear for $xin [frac {1}{n+1},K_n].$
We have $|f_n|=1+frac {1}{2(n+1)}.$
For $xin [frac {1}{n+1},1]$ we have $(Tf_n)(x)geq (Tf_n)(frac {1}{n+1})=1.$ $$text {So }quad |Tf_n|geq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 (Tf_n)(x)dxgeq int_{1/(n+1)}^1 1cdot dx=$$ $$=1-frac {1}{n+1}.$$
$$text {So} quad frac {|Tf_n|}{|f_n|}geq frac {1-frac {1}{n+1}}{ 1+frac {1}{2(n+1) }}.$$
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It might be hard (or impossible) to find a function for which $ ||mathcal{T}f||$ is exactly equal to $||f||$, but you only need to find a sequence of functions $f_n$, such that $$frac{||mathcal{T}f_n||}{||f_n||} to 1quad text{as } n to infty.$$
Note that you do not need the limit of the $f_n$ to be a continuous function!
You should try to construct one such sequence using elementary functions. Try to write down a few examples with some free parameters, and see if you can cook up such a sequence!
I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
It might be hard (or impossible) to find a function for which $ ||mathcal{T}f||$ is exactly equal to $||f||$, but you only need to find a sequence of functions $f_n$, such that $$frac{||mathcal{T}f_n||}{||f_n||} to 1quad text{as } n to infty.$$
Note that you do not need the limit of the $f_n$ to be a continuous function!
You should try to construct one such sequence using elementary functions. Try to write down a few examples with some free parameters, and see if you can cook up such a sequence!
I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
1
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up vote
1
down vote
It might be hard (or impossible) to find a function for which $ ||mathcal{T}f||$ is exactly equal to $||f||$, but you only need to find a sequence of functions $f_n$, such that $$frac{||mathcal{T}f_n||}{||f_n||} to 1quad text{as } n to infty.$$
Note that you do not need the limit of the $f_n$ to be a continuous function!
You should try to construct one such sequence using elementary functions. Try to write down a few examples with some free parameters, and see if you can cook up such a sequence!
It might be hard (or impossible) to find a function for which $ ||mathcal{T}f||$ is exactly equal to $||f||$, but you only need to find a sequence of functions $f_n$, such that $$frac{||mathcal{T}f_n||}{||f_n||} to 1quad text{as } n to infty.$$
Note that you do not need the limit of the $f_n$ to be a continuous function!
You should try to construct one such sequence using elementary functions. Try to write down a few examples with some free parameters, and see if you can cook up such a sequence!
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answered Nov 14 at 3:04
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I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
add a comment |
I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
I feel sure that $|Tf|< |f| $ when $fne 0,$ which is not unusual in infinite-dimensional spaces, but I haven't verified it
– DanielWainfleet
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Yes, but that does not mean that $||mathcal{T}f||$ could not be arbitrarily close to $||f||$ (which would imply $||mathcal{T}||_{op}=1$).
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
Seems like your functions aren’t continuous on [0,1]$ but only on $(0,1]$.
– Shalop
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
You are right, my mistake. I have removed my example.
– Angelo Lucia
2 days ago
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
In reply to your reply to my comment: Yes. And the norm of $T$ is $1$
– DanielWainfleet
yesterday
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Sorry, had to make another edit due to a typo...
– Joe Man Analysis
Nov 14 at 2:21
see volterra integral operator
– qbert
Nov 14 at 3:08
1
Maybe, take $f_n=1_{[0,1/n]}$. Compute the norm of $f_n$ and of $Tf_n$.
– Shalop
Nov 14 at 3:17
@Shalop. That's not a sequence of continuous functions.
– md2perpe
2 days ago
@md2perpe fine. Then take $f_n(x)=max{1-nx,0}$ I suppose. And $(1-x)^n$ probably works too. It’s a bit silly since continuous functions are dense in L^1 anyways, so it doesn’t matter much.
– Shalop
2 days ago