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I'm trying to find the limit value of this for large values of $x$, in terms of a closed form formula. However when I try to plot this using different representations I get different curves.



For $cos(x)cosh(x)-1$:



pic1



For $cosh(x)-1/cos(x)$:



pic2



For $cos(x)-1/cosh(x)$:



pic3



The answer was that the $cos(x)-1/cosh(x) $ gives the correct picture, and that $x=(n+1/2)pi$ is the correct approximation. Why do I get these different graphs?










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    Well, picture 2 is about a function that has many asymptotes, I wouldn't use it.
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I'm trying to find the limit value of this for large values of $x$, in terms of a closed form formula. However when I try to plot this using different representations I get different curves.



For $cos(x)cosh(x)-1$:



pic1



For $cosh(x)-1/cos(x)$:



pic2



For $cos(x)-1/cosh(x)$:



pic3



The answer was that the $cos(x)-1/cosh(x) $ gives the correct picture, and that $x=(n+1/2)pi$ is the correct approximation. Why do I get these different graphs?










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    Well, picture 2 is about a function that has many asymptotes, I wouldn't use it.
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I'm trying to find the limit value of this for large values of $x$, in terms of a closed form formula. However when I try to plot this using different representations I get different curves.



For $cos(x)cosh(x)-1$:



pic1



For $cosh(x)-1/cos(x)$:



pic2



For $cos(x)-1/cosh(x)$:



pic3



The answer was that the $cos(x)-1/cosh(x) $ gives the correct picture, and that $x=(n+1/2)pi$ is the correct approximation. Why do I get these different graphs?










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I'm trying to find the limit value of this for large values of $x$, in terms of a closed form formula. However when I try to plot this using different representations I get different curves.



For $cos(x)cosh(x)-1$:



pic1



For $cosh(x)-1/cos(x)$:



pic2



For $cos(x)-1/cosh(x)$:



pic3



The answer was that the $cos(x)-1/cosh(x) $ gives the correct picture, and that $x=(n+1/2)pi$ is the correct approximation. Why do I get these different graphs?







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    Well, picture 2 is about a function that has many asymptotes, I wouldn't use it.
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    Well, picture 2 is about a function that has many asymptotes, I wouldn't use it.
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Well, picture 2 is about a function that has many asymptotes, I wouldn't use it.
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Well, picture 2 is about a function that has many asymptotes, I wouldn't use it.
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All functions are good, except that the second one creates problems for the drawing tool, because it has many asymptotes and they're in the proximity of the zeros.



As you see from the picture below, both graphs give the same zeros.



The curve $cos x-dfrac{1}{cosh x}$ is best, because the function is bounded.



enter image description here






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    Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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You may get numerical errors because cosh(x) grows very quickly.



Write the equation as



$cos(x)=frac{1}{cosh{x}}$,



When $x$ is large, the solutions are going to be approximately



$cos(x)=0$.



*** $cos(x)cosh(x)-1=0$ is the frequency equation of an Euler-Bernoulli beam under free-free or fixed-fixed boundary conditions.






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    As you noticed and as said in answers, the solutions are closed to $(2n+1)frac pi 2$.



    As @egreg suggested, it is better to look for the zero of function
    $$f(x)=cos (x)-dfrac{1}{cosh (x)}$$



    Let us make one Newton iteration using $x_0=(2n+1)frac pi 2$; this will give as first iterate
    $$x_1=(2n+1)frac pi 2+frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
    left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}$$
    Now, let us look at
    $$d_n=|x_1-x_0|_n=left|frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
    left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)} right|$$
    and better at $log_{10}(d_n)$. You will get these numbers
    $$left(
    begin{array}{cc}
    n & log_{10}(d_n) \
    1 & -1.75330 \
    2 & -3.10957 \
    3 & -4.47430 \
    4 & -5.83866 \
    5 & -7.20304 \
    6 & -8.56742 \
    7 & -9.93179 \
    8 & -11.2962 \
    9 & -12.6605 \
    10 & -14.0249
    end{array}
    right)$$
    Using a quick and dirty linear regression $log_{10}(d_n)=a+b n$
    $$begin{array}{clclclclc}
    text{} & text{Estimate} & text{Standard Error} & text{Confidence Interval} \
    a & -0.381456 & 0.000156 & {-0.381766,-0.3811462} \
    b & -1.364372 & 0.000003 & {-1.364377,-1.3643667} \
    end{array}$$
    We could even go further in the approximation since the term $tanh(.)text{sech}(.)$ is very small compared to $1$ and make
    $$d_n sim text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)approx 2 e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$ which would give $log_{10}(d_n)=-0.381158 -1.36438 ,n$ (quite close to the regression line) and then
    $$x_1 sim (2n+1)frac pi 2+ 2(-1)^{n+1}e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$



    Let us try for $n=2$; this very last approxation will give $x_1=7.8532052$ while the "exact" solution would be $7.8532046$.






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      All functions are good, except that the second one creates problems for the drawing tool, because it has many asymptotes and they're in the proximity of the zeros.



      As you see from the picture below, both graphs give the same zeros.



      The curve $cos x-dfrac{1}{cosh x}$ is best, because the function is bounded.



      enter image description here






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        Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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      $begingroup$

      All functions are good, except that the second one creates problems for the drawing tool, because it has many asymptotes and they're in the proximity of the zeros.



      As you see from the picture below, both graphs give the same zeros.



      The curve $cos x-dfrac{1}{cosh x}$ is best, because the function is bounded.



      enter image description here






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        Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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      All functions are good, except that the second one creates problems for the drawing tool, because it has many asymptotes and they're in the proximity of the zeros.



      As you see from the picture below, both graphs give the same zeros.



      The curve $cos x-dfrac{1}{cosh x}$ is best, because the function is bounded.



      enter image description here






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      All functions are good, except that the second one creates problems for the drawing tool, because it has many asymptotes and they're in the proximity of the zeros.



      As you see from the picture below, both graphs give the same zeros.



      The curve $cos x-dfrac{1}{cosh x}$ is best, because the function is bounded.



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        Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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        Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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      Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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      Ah so although the curves are different, they all have the same roots. Now its just a matter of which representation is best. Thank you!
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      You may get numerical errors because cosh(x) grows very quickly.



      Write the equation as



      $cos(x)=frac{1}{cosh{x}}$,



      When $x$ is large, the solutions are going to be approximately



      $cos(x)=0$.



      *** $cos(x)cosh(x)-1=0$ is the frequency equation of an Euler-Bernoulli beam under free-free or fixed-fixed boundary conditions.






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        You may get numerical errors because cosh(x) grows very quickly.



        Write the equation as



        $cos(x)=frac{1}{cosh{x}}$,



        When $x$ is large, the solutions are going to be approximately



        $cos(x)=0$.



        *** $cos(x)cosh(x)-1=0$ is the frequency equation of an Euler-Bernoulli beam under free-free or fixed-fixed boundary conditions.






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          You may get numerical errors because cosh(x) grows very quickly.



          Write the equation as



          $cos(x)=frac{1}{cosh{x}}$,



          When $x$ is large, the solutions are going to be approximately



          $cos(x)=0$.



          *** $cos(x)cosh(x)-1=0$ is the frequency equation of an Euler-Bernoulli beam under free-free or fixed-fixed boundary conditions.






          share|cite|improve this answer









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          You may get numerical errors because cosh(x) grows very quickly.



          Write the equation as



          $cos(x)=frac{1}{cosh{x}}$,



          When $x$ is large, the solutions are going to be approximately



          $cos(x)=0$.



          *** $cos(x)cosh(x)-1=0$ is the frequency equation of an Euler-Bernoulli beam under free-free or fixed-fixed boundary conditions.







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              As you noticed and as said in answers, the solutions are closed to $(2n+1)frac pi 2$.



              As @egreg suggested, it is better to look for the zero of function
              $$f(x)=cos (x)-dfrac{1}{cosh (x)}$$



              Let us make one Newton iteration using $x_0=(2n+1)frac pi 2$; this will give as first iterate
              $$x_1=(2n+1)frac pi 2+frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
              left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}$$
              Now, let us look at
              $$d_n=|x_1-x_0|_n=left|frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
              left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)} right|$$
              and better at $log_{10}(d_n)$. You will get these numbers
              $$left(
              begin{array}{cc}
              n & log_{10}(d_n) \
              1 & -1.75330 \
              2 & -3.10957 \
              3 & -4.47430 \
              4 & -5.83866 \
              5 & -7.20304 \
              6 & -8.56742 \
              7 & -9.93179 \
              8 & -11.2962 \
              9 & -12.6605 \
              10 & -14.0249
              end{array}
              right)$$
              Using a quick and dirty linear regression $log_{10}(d_n)=a+b n$
              $$begin{array}{clclclclc}
              text{} & text{Estimate} & text{Standard Error} & text{Confidence Interval} \
              a & -0.381456 & 0.000156 & {-0.381766,-0.3811462} \
              b & -1.364372 & 0.000003 & {-1.364377,-1.3643667} \
              end{array}$$
              We could even go further in the approximation since the term $tanh(.)text{sech}(.)$ is very small compared to $1$ and make
              $$d_n sim text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)approx 2 e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$ which would give $log_{10}(d_n)=-0.381158 -1.36438 ,n$ (quite close to the regression line) and then
              $$x_1 sim (2n+1)frac pi 2+ 2(-1)^{n+1}e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$



              Let us try for $n=2$; this very last approxation will give $x_1=7.8532052$ while the "exact" solution would be $7.8532046$.






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                As you noticed and as said in answers, the solutions are closed to $(2n+1)frac pi 2$.



                As @egreg suggested, it is better to look for the zero of function
                $$f(x)=cos (x)-dfrac{1}{cosh (x)}$$



                Let us make one Newton iteration using $x_0=(2n+1)frac pi 2$; this will give as first iterate
                $$x_1=(2n+1)frac pi 2+frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
                left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}$$
                Now, let us look at
                $$d_n=|x_1-x_0|_n=left|frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
                left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)} right|$$
                and better at $log_{10}(d_n)$. You will get these numbers
                $$left(
                begin{array}{cc}
                n & log_{10}(d_n) \
                1 & -1.75330 \
                2 & -3.10957 \
                3 & -4.47430 \
                4 & -5.83866 \
                5 & -7.20304 \
                6 & -8.56742 \
                7 & -9.93179 \
                8 & -11.2962 \
                9 & -12.6605 \
                10 & -14.0249
                end{array}
                right)$$
                Using a quick and dirty linear regression $log_{10}(d_n)=a+b n$
                $$begin{array}{clclclclc}
                text{} & text{Estimate} & text{Standard Error} & text{Confidence Interval} \
                a & -0.381456 & 0.000156 & {-0.381766,-0.3811462} \
                b & -1.364372 & 0.000003 & {-1.364377,-1.3643667} \
                end{array}$$
                We could even go further in the approximation since the term $tanh(.)text{sech}(.)$ is very small compared to $1$ and make
                $$d_n sim text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)approx 2 e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$ which would give $log_{10}(d_n)=-0.381158 -1.36438 ,n$ (quite close to the regression line) and then
                $$x_1 sim (2n+1)frac pi 2+ 2(-1)^{n+1}e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$



                Let us try for $n=2$; this very last approxation will give $x_1=7.8532052$ while the "exact" solution would be $7.8532046$.






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                  $begingroup$

                  As you noticed and as said in answers, the solutions are closed to $(2n+1)frac pi 2$.



                  As @egreg suggested, it is better to look for the zero of function
                  $$f(x)=cos (x)-dfrac{1}{cosh (x)}$$



                  Let us make one Newton iteration using $x_0=(2n+1)frac pi 2$; this will give as first iterate
                  $$x_1=(2n+1)frac pi 2+frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
                  left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}$$
                  Now, let us look at
                  $$d_n=|x_1-x_0|_n=left|frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
                  left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)} right|$$
                  and better at $log_{10}(d_n)$. You will get these numbers
                  $$left(
                  begin{array}{cc}
                  n & log_{10}(d_n) \
                  1 & -1.75330 \
                  2 & -3.10957 \
                  3 & -4.47430 \
                  4 & -5.83866 \
                  5 & -7.20304 \
                  6 & -8.56742 \
                  7 & -9.93179 \
                  8 & -11.2962 \
                  9 & -12.6605 \
                  10 & -14.0249
                  end{array}
                  right)$$
                  Using a quick and dirty linear regression $log_{10}(d_n)=a+b n$
                  $$begin{array}{clclclclc}
                  text{} & text{Estimate} & text{Standard Error} & text{Confidence Interval} \
                  a & -0.381456 & 0.000156 & {-0.381766,-0.3811462} \
                  b & -1.364372 & 0.000003 & {-1.364377,-1.3643667} \
                  end{array}$$
                  We could even go further in the approximation since the term $tanh(.)text{sech}(.)$ is very small compared to $1$ and make
                  $$d_n sim text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)approx 2 e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$ which would give $log_{10}(d_n)=-0.381158 -1.36438 ,n$ (quite close to the regression line) and then
                  $$x_1 sim (2n+1)frac pi 2+ 2(-1)^{n+1}e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$



                  Let us try for $n=2$; this very last approxation will give $x_1=7.8532052$ while the "exact" solution would be $7.8532046$.






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                  As you noticed and as said in answers, the solutions are closed to $(2n+1)frac pi 2$.



                  As @egreg suggested, it is better to look for the zero of function
                  $$f(x)=cos (x)-dfrac{1}{cosh (x)}$$



                  Let us make one Newton iteration using $x_0=(2n+1)frac pi 2$; this will give as first iterate
                  $$x_1=(2n+1)frac pi 2+frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
                  left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}$$
                  Now, let us look at
                  $$d_n=|x_1-x_0|_n=left|frac{text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)}{(-1)^{n+1}+tanh
                  left((2n+1)frac pi 2right), text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)} right|$$
                  and better at $log_{10}(d_n)$. You will get these numbers
                  $$left(
                  begin{array}{cc}
                  n & log_{10}(d_n) \
                  1 & -1.75330 \
                  2 & -3.10957 \
                  3 & -4.47430 \
                  4 & -5.83866 \
                  5 & -7.20304 \
                  6 & -8.56742 \
                  7 & -9.93179 \
                  8 & -11.2962 \
                  9 & -12.6605 \
                  10 & -14.0249
                  end{array}
                  right)$$
                  Using a quick and dirty linear regression $log_{10}(d_n)=a+b n$
                  $$begin{array}{clclclclc}
                  text{} & text{Estimate} & text{Standard Error} & text{Confidence Interval} \
                  a & -0.381456 & 0.000156 & {-0.381766,-0.3811462} \
                  b & -1.364372 & 0.000003 & {-1.364377,-1.3643667} \
                  end{array}$$
                  We could even go further in the approximation since the term $tanh(.)text{sech}(.)$ is very small compared to $1$ and make
                  $$d_n sim text{sech}left((2n+1)frac pi 2right)approx 2 e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$ which would give $log_{10}(d_n)=-0.381158 -1.36438 ,n$ (quite close to the regression line) and then
                  $$x_1 sim (2n+1)frac pi 2+ 2(-1)^{n+1}e^{-(2n+1)frac{pi}{2} }$$



                  Let us try for $n=2$; this very last approxation will give $x_1=7.8532052$ while the "exact" solution would be $7.8532046$.







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