Making a sword in the stone, in a medieval world without magic
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This relates to a world in which there is no magic and only medieval technology. The ruling and religious classes want to convince the general populace that magic exists.
For example a sword-smith has been tasked with making a 'magical' sword that can only be drawn by 'the chosen one'.
Of course there is to be a secret mechanism that only those in the know can operate.
The problems
The sword has to be a top quality sword that is forged by standard methods before inserting in the stone.
The stone has to be real stone. It can be shaped using medieval tools but should be heavy enough so that it can't easily be moved. The sword must fit snugly.
The mechanism for releasing the sword must be very difficult to discover. Nothing so obvious as pressing a simple foot pedal.
A circle of six-foot radius is marked on the floor around the stone. Only one person is allowed in the circle at a time.
There are guards to prevent damage to the stone or sword but anyone whether commoner or not must be allowed to try. They can examine the sword and the stone carefully before trying, and they have three attempts each. The guards will only intervene to prevent more than one person at once entering the circle.
The chosen one should not be allowed to try too soon. There must be many failures first to 'prove' it is magic.
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How can a sword-smith use medieval technology to simulate a magical sword in the stone that can only be released (or put back) by someone who knows the secret? No actual magic is allowed.
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This relates to a world in which there is no magic and only medieval technology. The ruling and religious classes want to convince the general populace that magic exists.
For example a sword-smith has been tasked with making a 'magical' sword that can only be drawn by 'the chosen one'.
Of course there is to be a secret mechanism that only those in the know can operate.
The problems
The sword has to be a top quality sword that is forged by standard methods before inserting in the stone.
The stone has to be real stone. It can be shaped using medieval tools but should be heavy enough so that it can't easily be moved. The sword must fit snugly.
The mechanism for releasing the sword must be very difficult to discover. Nothing so obvious as pressing a simple foot pedal.
A circle of six-foot radius is marked on the floor around the stone. Only one person is allowed in the circle at a time.
There are guards to prevent damage to the stone or sword but anyone whether commoner or not must be allowed to try. They can examine the sword and the stone carefully before trying, and they have three attempts each. The guards will only intervene to prevent more than one person at once entering the circle.
The chosen one should not be allowed to try too soon. There must be many failures first to 'prove' it is magic.
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How can a sword-smith use medieval technology to simulate a magical sword in the stone that can only be released (or put back) by someone who knows the secret? No actual magic is allowed.
weapons medieval engineering
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As the late Sir Terry Pratchett put it ‘What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done.'
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– Rekesoft
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@Rekesoft, Lord Rust, at dinner with Edward d'Eath
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– Separatrix
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I guess moving parts of the stone would be too obvious?
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– kikirex
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You mention it needing to be real stone without explaining why. Would concrete be acceptable? It predates the middle ages and was then apparently mostly forgotten for several centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete#Middle_Ages. So someone could easily pass it off as real stone, especially with some natural weathering, lichen, etc. This would make it easy to encase a custom mechanism
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– anjama
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@kikirex - It's an interesting idea but then the watchers would say, "Oh, it's a puzzle!". In medieval times, blacksmiths' puzzles were common. As I said in the intro to my question, the idea is to to 'convince the general populace that magic exists.'
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This relates to a world in which there is no magic and only medieval technology. The ruling and religious classes want to convince the general populace that magic exists.
For example a sword-smith has been tasked with making a 'magical' sword that can only be drawn by 'the chosen one'.
Of course there is to be a secret mechanism that only those in the know can operate.
The problems
The sword has to be a top quality sword that is forged by standard methods before inserting in the stone.
The stone has to be real stone. It can be shaped using medieval tools but should be heavy enough so that it can't easily be moved. The sword must fit snugly.
The mechanism for releasing the sword must be very difficult to discover. Nothing so obvious as pressing a simple foot pedal.
A circle of six-foot radius is marked on the floor around the stone. Only one person is allowed in the circle at a time.
There are guards to prevent damage to the stone or sword but anyone whether commoner or not must be allowed to try. They can examine the sword and the stone carefully before trying, and they have three attempts each. The guards will only intervene to prevent more than one person at once entering the circle.
The chosen one should not be allowed to try too soon. There must be many failures first to 'prove' it is magic.
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How can a sword-smith use medieval technology to simulate a magical sword in the stone that can only be released (or put back) by someone who knows the secret? No actual magic is allowed.
weapons medieval engineering
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This relates to a world in which there is no magic and only medieval technology. The ruling and religious classes want to convince the general populace that magic exists.
For example a sword-smith has been tasked with making a 'magical' sword that can only be drawn by 'the chosen one'.
Of course there is to be a secret mechanism that only those in the know can operate.
The problems
The sword has to be a top quality sword that is forged by standard methods before inserting in the stone.
The stone has to be real stone. It can be shaped using medieval tools but should be heavy enough so that it can't easily be moved. The sword must fit snugly.
The mechanism for releasing the sword must be very difficult to discover. Nothing so obvious as pressing a simple foot pedal.
A circle of six-foot radius is marked on the floor around the stone. Only one person is allowed in the circle at a time.
There are guards to prevent damage to the stone or sword but anyone whether commoner or not must be allowed to try. They can examine the sword and the stone carefully before trying, and they have three attempts each. The guards will only intervene to prevent more than one person at once entering the circle.
The chosen one should not be allowed to try too soon. There must be many failures first to 'prove' it is magic.
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How can a sword-smith use medieval technology to simulate a magical sword in the stone that can only be released (or put back) by someone who knows the secret? No actual magic is allowed.
weapons medieval engineering
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As the late Sir Terry Pratchett put it ‘What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done.'
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– Rekesoft
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@Rekesoft, Lord Rust, at dinner with Edward d'Eath
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– Separatrix
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I guess moving parts of the stone would be too obvious?
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– kikirex
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You mention it needing to be real stone without explaining why. Would concrete be acceptable? It predates the middle ages and was then apparently mostly forgotten for several centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete#Middle_Ages. So someone could easily pass it off as real stone, especially with some natural weathering, lichen, etc. This would make it easy to encase a custom mechanism
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– anjama
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@kikirex - It's an interesting idea but then the watchers would say, "Oh, it's a puzzle!". In medieval times, blacksmiths' puzzles were common. As I said in the intro to my question, the idea is to to 'convince the general populace that magic exists.'
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As the late Sir Terry Pratchett put it ‘What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done.'
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– Rekesoft
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@Rekesoft, Lord Rust, at dinner with Edward d'Eath
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– Separatrix
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I guess moving parts of the stone would be too obvious?
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– kikirex
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You mention it needing to be real stone without explaining why. Would concrete be acceptable? It predates the middle ages and was then apparently mostly forgotten for several centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete#Middle_Ages. So someone could easily pass it off as real stone, especially with some natural weathering, lichen, etc. This would make it easy to encase a custom mechanism
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– anjama
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@kikirex - It's an interesting idea but then the watchers would say, "Oh, it's a puzzle!". In medieval times, blacksmiths' puzzles were common. As I said in the intro to my question, the idea is to to 'convince the general populace that magic exists.'
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As the late Sir Terry Pratchett put it ‘What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done.'
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– Rekesoft
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As the late Sir Terry Pratchett put it ‘What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done.'
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@Rekesoft, Lord Rust, at dinner with Edward d'Eath
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– Separatrix
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@Rekesoft, Lord Rust, at dinner with Edward d'Eath
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– Separatrix
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I guess moving parts of the stone would be too obvious?
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– kikirex
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I guess moving parts of the stone would be too obvious?
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You mention it needing to be real stone without explaining why. Would concrete be acceptable? It predates the middle ages and was then apparently mostly forgotten for several centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete#Middle_Ages. So someone could easily pass it off as real stone, especially with some natural weathering, lichen, etc. This would make it easy to encase a custom mechanism
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– anjama
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You mention it needing to be real stone without explaining why. Would concrete be acceptable? It predates the middle ages and was then apparently mostly forgotten for several centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete#Middle_Ages. So someone could easily pass it off as real stone, especially with some natural weathering, lichen, etc. This would make it easy to encase a custom mechanism
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– anjama
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@kikirex - It's an interesting idea but then the watchers would say, "Oh, it's a puzzle!". In medieval times, blacksmiths' puzzles were common. As I said in the intro to my question, the idea is to to 'convince the general populace that magic exists.'
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@kikirex - It's an interesting idea but then the watchers would say, "Oh, it's a puzzle!". In medieval times, blacksmiths' puzzles were common. As I said in the intro to my question, the idea is to to 'convince the general populace that magic exists.'
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Requirements:
- One large hollow rock
- One dwarf
- One large pair of pliers
- One tunnel
- One loud voiced announcer of who is about to try to pull the sword out
Tunnel under the rock for your dwarf to get access, make sure he knows the name of the eligible person to release the sword for when the loud voiced announcer calls it out. All you need now is a mechanism for holding the sword in place while the dwarf is off duty.
“Nah, someone pulled a sword out of a stone,” said Nobby.
“How’d he know it was in there, then?” Colon demanded.
“It...it was sticking out, wasn’t it?”
“Where anyone could’ve grabbed it? In this town?”
“Only the rightful king could do it, see,” said Nobby.
“Oh, right,” said Colon. “I understand. Oh, yes. So what you’re saying is, someone’d decided who the rightful king was before he pulled it out? Sounds like a fix to me. Prob’ly someone had a fake hollow stone and some dwarf inside hanging on the other end with a pair of pliers until the right guy came along—”
Men at Arms, Terry Pratchett.
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I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
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@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
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@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
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Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
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– Separatrix
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@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
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'Lock' the blade in place
Give the sword blade a fuller, the groove used to lighten some blades, and end it before the tip of the blade. It can then be inserted into a well crafted, close fitting, slot in the stone and a 'key' used to fit into, and interfere with, the fuller holding the blade in place in the slot.
Inside the stone there needs to be some mechanism to release the key holding the blade. In medieval times they had crossbows with heavy draw weights held by a 'nut and lever' mechanism. A modified version of this could be used, with a remote cable based release, to allow 'selective' drawing of the sword. Due to the strength and design of the locking mechanism no matter what force is applied the locked blade will not come free, actually the harder you pull the stronger the locking force.
It could even be made to self reset so that if the new King replaces the blade it again locks into place and again no-one else can remove the sword until the 'One True King'(TM) makes a second attempt.
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Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
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– Kallum Tanton
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@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
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– GeeTee
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But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
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@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
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– GeeTee
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For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
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– ArmanX
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Seal the sword in limestone
Limestone dissolves in acid, which medieval peasants likely will not know. Fortunately our sword-puller does. Via some mechanism or his own doing, vinegar can be poured onto the limestone to dissolve it and weaken the hold on the limestone enough to wrench the sword free. It will bubble, however, so the limestone may need to be below a layer of decorative stone.
As some display they may take a swig then pour it onto the sword. Or maybe trigger some hidden pipe below the surface.
Edit: The dissolving reaction will not remove all of the stone, only enough to weaken its grip on the sword.
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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The stone has only to be the cover of a tub filled with a dilatant liquid.
A dilatant (dī-ˈlā-tᵊnt) (also termed shear thickening) material is one in which viscosity increases with the rate of shear strain. Such a shear thickening fluid, also known by the initialism STF, is an example of a non-Newtonian fluid. This behaviour is usually not observed in pure materials, but can occur in suspensions.
An example of dilatant is oobleck, a mixture of water and starch:
A person may walk on a large tub of oobleck without sinking due to its shear thickening properties, as long as the individual moves quickly enough to provide enough force with each step to cause the thickening.
The faster the candidate will try to pull out the sword, the more the liquid will hold it in place. Just give the surface of the blade adequate roughness.
Just instruct the chosen one to sloooowly pull out the sword. "Patience is the key!"
Starch was a luxury good in middle age, used for starching clothes. Since you are going to pick a king, I see no issues in using a luxury good.
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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– chasly from UK
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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The sword looks like this:
The parrying hooks can be inserted below the stone's surface, where they lock into whatever locking mechanism you desire.
Thus, anyone simply pulling on the handle will be unable to move the sword.
Only the correct sequence of movements, such as pushing or turning the sword, can then release the lock, allowing the blade to be pulled out.
With some practice, these movements could be performed such that they seem natural to observers. Alternatively, with the right “ritual instructions“, not even the Chosen One needs to know about the trick.
One minor disadvantage though: The stone cannot fit perfectly to the blade, as some space must be allowed for the parrying hooks. However, this can easily be explained by saying that obviously these grooves were made by the same hooks when the sword was pushed into the stone in the first place.
Even better: This mechanism can be made fully reusable, establishing a tradition of choosing the royal successor this way over multiple generations.
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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Forge a blade with a very slight reverse taper, so that it's ever-so-slightly wider at the tip than at the hilt. To the casual eye, the blade should appear straight and constant width, but should be just enough wider at the tip for your blade trap to hold it in place.
Now, choose a stone with a very rough texture. The reason for this is you're going to split the stone in two, preferably in an uneven and non-obvious pattern, and you don't want the seam to be noticeable. Inside the split, carve your grooves for the blade. You'll need to be very precise as the sword should fit very snugly into the grooves.
Finally, you will need to sand off a very thin layer on the cut side of one or both halves of the stone, so that they lean towards each other, applying pressure on both sides and trapping the tapered blade between them.
Now the trick: In order to remove the sword from the stone, you will need to place one foot on each half of the stone and push them apart. If they are large and heavy enough, the stones should barely need to move to release the pressure. To the untrained eye, it will seem that your arms are doing the work of pulling the sword upward, but in reality, it is your legs pushing the stone halves apart that free the blade to be easily drawn.
To discourage other people from mimicking your stance, your "king" should be wearing a robe that covers his feet, and the stone should have naturally comfortable obvious footholds that are both on the same half, so that people will not think not to use those but instead must stand in a less obvious and less comfortable position in order to push the stones apart.
As with any good "magic" trick, some practice may be required to make the act seem convincing. A little showmanship and slight of hand (or foot) goes a long way if you know what you're doing.
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The sword is placed in a scabbard. At the bottom of the scabbard, there is a spring loaded push pin lock - when the sword is pushed all the way down, it pushes the pin back until it reaches a hole in the sword, then it springs back and locks the blade in the scabbard. The scabbard has a thread on the outside.
You pour a large concrete block or you pick a large rock and you drill a threaded hole. Concrete might be easier since you can create a metal jacket that you can set in the concrete. You tighten the scabbard into the rock.
Threaded fasteners were unknown in the medieval world, nobody would think to rotate the sword, they'll all try to pull it out.
Whoever is rigging the selection can reinforce the notion that the sword is meant to be pulled out by spreading rumors among the populous:
"Surely lord Clegane will be the next king! He is so strong he'll pull it out with one hand!"
"Lord John's servant told my wife's aunt the lord is drinking bull's blood. His witch told him it will give him the strength to pull the sword out and become king!"
Then reinforce it some more with some official announcements. Have the criers announce:
"Thou who pulls the sword out by his bare hands shall have the strength to be king!"
Give this a few months to work, then announce the contest is open. Have the soldiers overseeing the line of candidates give the following instructions to each man:
"Hurry up peasant! I don't have all day! You know the rules - you have 3 pulls - hurry up now, there are 100 more like you waiting!"
Feeling rushed and excited, the peasants have no change. Then you give some of the dumber aristocrats a go - again manipulating them to use brute force.
"Lord Stark! You were glorious at the battle of Sherlock. No man is as strong as you! Give it all your might and surely the stone will yield to you!"
Obviously, while still in front of witnesses, the nobles will be given more time and privacy for their attempt. Make the circle around the sword where people are not allowed bigger - say 50 ft. When your candidate of choice is to attempt, he'll be far enough that nobody will be able to see how exactly he pulls the sword out - but still close enough that there will be no question that he did gain the sword by himself.
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A different idea.
There is a release mechanism embedded in the sword hilt.
It basically has a hook that comes out from the side of the blade of the sword, blocking it inside the stone, and which can be triggered somehow.
Using a trigger is too risky: people could notice it and even realize that using it they can extract the sword. But it could use a kind of lock. I have two proposals
- The Chosen has a ring that can act as a key: it has an opportunely shaped extrusion that can be inserted in a lock inside the hint, which allows to release the hook that forces the sword inside the stone
- The Chosen has a ring made of magnetic iron. The mechanism in the hint has a kind of cavity with a metal rod, which is is attracted and moved upward, this way unlocking the hook. This last one is probably less suitable, beacuse the mechanism would need to be light in order to allow for the magnetic ring to attract the iron, but in this case it could be too fragile and easy to break if enough force is used to pull the sword
Or, if you like a less serious plot twist (even if it was explicitely forbidden by the OP): the sword is in reality a screw, and the Chosen is the only one who knows that he hasn't to pull the sword, but only unscrew it... :)
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Without looking at all the other answers here. It could be possible to place a sword into a stone that is melted like lava. I imagine the stone was not brittle.
All one would have to do is add sand to liquid iron or bronze enough to give it a more Stoney texture and appearance. The differences in temperature from the sword and molten Stone would be enough to keep the sword from adhering to the stone on a molecular level.
The best time to pull the sword what day wallet it was in the middle of winter maybe on a unusually cold day when nobody is willing to come out and try. The best time to have a sword pulling contest would be in the middle of summer.
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Concrete would be available to them, and is quite capable of holding that sword in place. The ancient Romans had concrete, and while not common in the medieval era, its knowledge need not have disappeared.
Just put the sword in a mold, pour concrete around it, and have a stone mason work the result until it looks like the shape of rock you want. You can even paint it to look more like a natural rock if you want, or clad it in natural stones.
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
3
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@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
3
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The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
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– dwizum
8 hours ago
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@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
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– Patrice
7 hours ago
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Requirements:
- One large hollow rock
- One dwarf
- One large pair of pliers
- One tunnel
- One loud voiced announcer of who is about to try to pull the sword out
Tunnel under the rock for your dwarf to get access, make sure he knows the name of the eligible person to release the sword for when the loud voiced announcer calls it out. All you need now is a mechanism for holding the sword in place while the dwarf is off duty.
“Nah, someone pulled a sword out of a stone,” said Nobby.
“How’d he know it was in there, then?” Colon demanded.
“It...it was sticking out, wasn’t it?”
“Where anyone could’ve grabbed it? In this town?”
“Only the rightful king could do it, see,” said Nobby.
“Oh, right,” said Colon. “I understand. Oh, yes. So what you’re saying is, someone’d decided who the rightful king was before he pulled it out? Sounds like a fix to me. Prob’ly someone had a fake hollow stone and some dwarf inside hanging on the other end with a pair of pliers until the right guy came along—”
Men at Arms, Terry Pratchett.
$endgroup$
3
$begingroup$
I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
16
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@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
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– AlexP
9 hours ago
14
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@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
7
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
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– Chronocidal
8 hours ago
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show 5 more comments
$begingroup$
Requirements:
- One large hollow rock
- One dwarf
- One large pair of pliers
- One tunnel
- One loud voiced announcer of who is about to try to pull the sword out
Tunnel under the rock for your dwarf to get access, make sure he knows the name of the eligible person to release the sword for when the loud voiced announcer calls it out. All you need now is a mechanism for holding the sword in place while the dwarf is off duty.
“Nah, someone pulled a sword out of a stone,” said Nobby.
“How’d he know it was in there, then?” Colon demanded.
“It...it was sticking out, wasn’t it?”
“Where anyone could’ve grabbed it? In this town?”
“Only the rightful king could do it, see,” said Nobby.
“Oh, right,” said Colon. “I understand. Oh, yes. So what you’re saying is, someone’d decided who the rightful king was before he pulled it out? Sounds like a fix to me. Prob’ly someone had a fake hollow stone and some dwarf inside hanging on the other end with a pair of pliers until the right guy came along—”
Men at Arms, Terry Pratchett.
$endgroup$
3
$begingroup$
I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
16
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
$endgroup$
– AlexP
9 hours ago
14
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
7
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
$begingroup$
Requirements:
- One large hollow rock
- One dwarf
- One large pair of pliers
- One tunnel
- One loud voiced announcer of who is about to try to pull the sword out
Tunnel under the rock for your dwarf to get access, make sure he knows the name of the eligible person to release the sword for when the loud voiced announcer calls it out. All you need now is a mechanism for holding the sword in place while the dwarf is off duty.
“Nah, someone pulled a sword out of a stone,” said Nobby.
“How’d he know it was in there, then?” Colon demanded.
“It...it was sticking out, wasn’t it?”
“Where anyone could’ve grabbed it? In this town?”
“Only the rightful king could do it, see,” said Nobby.
“Oh, right,” said Colon. “I understand. Oh, yes. So what you’re saying is, someone’d decided who the rightful king was before he pulled it out? Sounds like a fix to me. Prob’ly someone had a fake hollow stone and some dwarf inside hanging on the other end with a pair of pliers until the right guy came along—”
Men at Arms, Terry Pratchett.
$endgroup$
Requirements:
- One large hollow rock
- One dwarf
- One large pair of pliers
- One tunnel
- One loud voiced announcer of who is about to try to pull the sword out
Tunnel under the rock for your dwarf to get access, make sure he knows the name of the eligible person to release the sword for when the loud voiced announcer calls it out. All you need now is a mechanism for holding the sword in place while the dwarf is off duty.
“Nah, someone pulled a sword out of a stone,” said Nobby.
“How’d he know it was in there, then?” Colon demanded.
“It...it was sticking out, wasn’t it?”
“Where anyone could’ve grabbed it? In this town?”
“Only the rightful king could do it, see,” said Nobby.
“Oh, right,” said Colon. “I understand. Oh, yes. So what you’re saying is, someone’d decided who the rightful king was before he pulled it out? Sounds like a fix to me. Prob’ly someone had a fake hollow stone and some dwarf inside hanging on the other end with a pair of pliers until the right guy came along—”
Men at Arms, Terry Pratchett.
answered 11 hours ago
SeparatrixSeparatrix
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I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
16
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
$endgroup$
– AlexP
9 hours ago
14
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
7
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
3
$begingroup$
I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
16
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
$endgroup$
– AlexP
9 hours ago
14
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
7
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
8 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
I'm not convinced that someone with a pair of pliers could withstand the efforts of a succession of extremely strong contenders each of who can get a double-handed grip on the sword hilt and even waggle it back and forth. Also the marks on the sword from the pliers are going to (a) make it less valuable (b) lead to a lot of suspicion that it was being held by mechanical rather than magical means.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
16
16
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
$endgroup$
– AlexP
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK: In practice, of course the sword would be held in the jaws of a vise, which the occulted operator would loosen upon command.
$endgroup$
– AlexP
9 hours ago
14
14
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK, I shall address some of your problems. Lead lined pliers wouldn't damage the surface of the sword. If it was a real king's sword it would probably be pretty battered from use anyway. Waggling the sword while in the stone would cause significant damage and risk bending anyway. Anyone poking their finger (or other body part) into the hole deserves to have it trapped until pulled out by a true heir to the throne.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Also with a good length of sword you can easily have a foot or so of solid stone before hitting the hollow section, that'll be enough to assuage the casually nosy.
$endgroup$
– Separatrix
9 hours ago
7
7
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The vice or tongs engage with the fuller - this provides better grip, since the sword is actually latched in place, and allows you to pad them with a thin layer of fabric to prevent marking the sword. You can also carve the slot so that it is a close fit for the sword, and either patch the rock up with cement, or make it large enough that it is 2/3 buried and can't be flipped over.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
8 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
$begingroup$
'Lock' the blade in place
Give the sword blade a fuller, the groove used to lighten some blades, and end it before the tip of the blade. It can then be inserted into a well crafted, close fitting, slot in the stone and a 'key' used to fit into, and interfere with, the fuller holding the blade in place in the slot.
Inside the stone there needs to be some mechanism to release the key holding the blade. In medieval times they had crossbows with heavy draw weights held by a 'nut and lever' mechanism. A modified version of this could be used, with a remote cable based release, to allow 'selective' drawing of the sword. Due to the strength and design of the locking mechanism no matter what force is applied the locked blade will not come free, actually the harder you pull the stronger the locking force.
It could even be made to self reset so that if the new King replaces the blade it again locks into place and again no-one else can remove the sword until the 'One True King'(TM) makes a second attempt.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
$endgroup$
– Kallum Tanton
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
$endgroup$
– GeeTee
8 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
6 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
$endgroup$
– GeeTee
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
$endgroup$
– ArmanX
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
'Lock' the blade in place
Give the sword blade a fuller, the groove used to lighten some blades, and end it before the tip of the blade. It can then be inserted into a well crafted, close fitting, slot in the stone and a 'key' used to fit into, and interfere with, the fuller holding the blade in place in the slot.
Inside the stone there needs to be some mechanism to release the key holding the blade. In medieval times they had crossbows with heavy draw weights held by a 'nut and lever' mechanism. A modified version of this could be used, with a remote cable based release, to allow 'selective' drawing of the sword. Due to the strength and design of the locking mechanism no matter what force is applied the locked blade will not come free, actually the harder you pull the stronger the locking force.
It could even be made to self reset so that if the new King replaces the blade it again locks into place and again no-one else can remove the sword until the 'One True King'(TM) makes a second attempt.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
$endgroup$
– Kallum Tanton
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
$endgroup$
– GeeTee
8 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
6 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
$endgroup$
– GeeTee
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
$endgroup$
– ArmanX
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
'Lock' the blade in place
Give the sword blade a fuller, the groove used to lighten some blades, and end it before the tip of the blade. It can then be inserted into a well crafted, close fitting, slot in the stone and a 'key' used to fit into, and interfere with, the fuller holding the blade in place in the slot.
Inside the stone there needs to be some mechanism to release the key holding the blade. In medieval times they had crossbows with heavy draw weights held by a 'nut and lever' mechanism. A modified version of this could be used, with a remote cable based release, to allow 'selective' drawing of the sword. Due to the strength and design of the locking mechanism no matter what force is applied the locked blade will not come free, actually the harder you pull the stronger the locking force.
It could even be made to self reset so that if the new King replaces the blade it again locks into place and again no-one else can remove the sword until the 'One True King'(TM) makes a second attempt.
$endgroup$
'Lock' the blade in place
Give the sword blade a fuller, the groove used to lighten some blades, and end it before the tip of the blade. It can then be inserted into a well crafted, close fitting, slot in the stone and a 'key' used to fit into, and interfere with, the fuller holding the blade in place in the slot.
Inside the stone there needs to be some mechanism to release the key holding the blade. In medieval times they had crossbows with heavy draw weights held by a 'nut and lever' mechanism. A modified version of this could be used, with a remote cable based release, to allow 'selective' drawing of the sword. Due to the strength and design of the locking mechanism no matter what force is applied the locked blade will not come free, actually the harder you pull the stronger the locking force.
It could even be made to self reset so that if the new King replaces the blade it again locks into place and again no-one else can remove the sword until the 'One True King'(TM) makes a second attempt.
answered 9 hours ago
GeeTeeGeeTee
38114
38114
1
$begingroup$
Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
$endgroup$
– Kallum Tanton
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
$endgroup$
– GeeTee
8 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
6 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
$endgroup$
– GeeTee
5 hours ago
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For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
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– Kallum Tanton
9 hours ago
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@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
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– GeeTee
8 hours ago
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But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
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– Carl Witthoft
6 hours ago
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@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
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– GeeTee
5 hours ago
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For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
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– Kallum Tanton
9 hours ago
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Ha, this was my exact idea, I thought the fuller was the key (literally) to this plan. Though I've been racking my brain trying to think of a release mechanism. The locking release cable sounds good, as long as it's quiet - sounds a bit iffy if a loud "CLANK!" noise is heard moments before "One True King"(TM) defies the impossible. Good answer otherwise!
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– Kallum Tanton
9 hours ago
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@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
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– GeeTee
8 hours ago
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@Kallum Tanton - the 'nut' mechanism for crossbows is a rotational release rather than a pinch release. The way I see this solution if there is no load on the blade the release will be silent - it just moves the 'key' to the side away from the fuller. If there is a load it will be almost silent and that would be lost in the fact it's embedded in the centre of the stone and that a steel blade being withdrawn from a stone hole is going to make enough noise to cover it.
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– GeeTee
8 hours ago
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But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
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– Carl Witthoft
6 hours ago
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But ... how do you create the abcess in the stone to begin with? The clean-close-fit sheath part seems problematic. Unless you have lots of grad students to use as drilliing and polishing slaves.
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– Carl Witthoft
6 hours ago
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@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
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– GeeTee
5 hours ago
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@carl Witthoft - You will need a competent stone worker/carver to create the required blade hole and trigger cavity in the stone, but it's possible with the tools available. The harder the stone obviously the harder the task to shape it but humans have been shaping stones for a long time. Quite intricate stone moulds for metal casting have been in use since the bronze age. Look at some of the tracery and carvings on medieval buildings such as churches for the accuracy that they could achieve.
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– GeeTee
5 hours ago
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For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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For an entirely "mystical" release, you could have the locking mechanism be metal, and use a lodestone - aka a magnet - to draw the lock in and out. The "One True King" merely sets his religious symbol beside the stone, then easily draws the sword! For bonus points, put the metal latch at an angle, so when he removes the magnet, the latch slips back into place, and anyone else trying to remove the sword after him has no chance.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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Seal the sword in limestone
Limestone dissolves in acid, which medieval peasants likely will not know. Fortunately our sword-puller does. Via some mechanism or his own doing, vinegar can be poured onto the limestone to dissolve it and weaken the hold on the limestone enough to wrench the sword free. It will bubble, however, so the limestone may need to be below a layer of decorative stone.
As some display they may take a swig then pour it onto the sword. Or maybe trigger some hidden pipe below the surface.
Edit: The dissolving reaction will not remove all of the stone, only enough to weaken its grip on the sword.
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
4 hours ago
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
4 hours ago
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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– Myrdden Wyllt
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Seal the sword in limestone
Limestone dissolves in acid, which medieval peasants likely will not know. Fortunately our sword-puller does. Via some mechanism or his own doing, vinegar can be poured onto the limestone to dissolve it and weaken the hold on the limestone enough to wrench the sword free. It will bubble, however, so the limestone may need to be below a layer of decorative stone.
As some display they may take a swig then pour it onto the sword. Or maybe trigger some hidden pipe below the surface.
Edit: The dissolving reaction will not remove all of the stone, only enough to weaken its grip on the sword.
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
4 hours ago
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
4 hours ago
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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– Myrdden Wyllt
3 hours ago
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Seal the sword in limestone
Limestone dissolves in acid, which medieval peasants likely will not know. Fortunately our sword-puller does. Via some mechanism or his own doing, vinegar can be poured onto the limestone to dissolve it and weaken the hold on the limestone enough to wrench the sword free. It will bubble, however, so the limestone may need to be below a layer of decorative stone.
As some display they may take a swig then pour it onto the sword. Or maybe trigger some hidden pipe below the surface.
Edit: The dissolving reaction will not remove all of the stone, only enough to weaken its grip on the sword.
New contributor
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Seal the sword in limestone
Limestone dissolves in acid, which medieval peasants likely will not know. Fortunately our sword-puller does. Via some mechanism or his own doing, vinegar can be poured onto the limestone to dissolve it and weaken the hold on the limestone enough to wrench the sword free. It will bubble, however, so the limestone may need to be below a layer of decorative stone.
As some display they may take a swig then pour it onto the sword. Or maybe trigger some hidden pipe below the surface.
Edit: The dissolving reaction will not remove all of the stone, only enough to weaken its grip on the sword.
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
4 hours ago
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
4 hours ago
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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– Myrdden Wyllt
3 hours ago
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
4 hours ago
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
4 hours ago
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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– Myrdden Wyllt
3 hours ago
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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I like this! the sword may have a subtle thickening at the tip, to make the 'grip' of any acid-solvable glue quite formidable, and the acid (wine might suffice and would not be totally out of character for the applicant to smell of) could be transported soaked into the gloves (special soaky lining?), dripping down along special grooves on the sword that could pass as ornamental.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Also, the 'stone' can be made from burnt mussels and sand, in effect looking (and for most purposes being )sandy limestone.
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
4 hours ago
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Interesting idea, but how do you get it locked into the limestone in the first place? Also, I suspect the reaction rate would be too slow for an effective one-man display. It would take a least a couple minutes to eat all the way down the length required for a solid grip, during which time other challengers are likely to become suspicious unless the True King has enough showmanship to cover or play up the fizzing rock as part of the "magic" happening.
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– brichins
4 hours ago
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
4 hours ago
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Up to OP I suppose. There are several variables you could play with to change the manner in which this is done. Perhaps there is a piece of limestone that is locking the sword in with a large surface area to volume ratio. This would allow the limestone to dissolve quickly - at least quickly enough to allow for brute strength to overcome whatever mechanism is used. Perhaps a stronger acid could be used as well (without drinking it of course).
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– Howard P
4 hours ago
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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– Myrdden Wyllt
3 hours ago
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@brichins use a clear acid, like vinegar. Pretend its holy water. Kneel down and pray for a few minutes while you wait for it to work. Now you're king by clearly divine means as well.
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– Myrdden Wyllt
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The stone has only to be the cover of a tub filled with a dilatant liquid.
A dilatant (dī-ˈlā-tᵊnt) (also termed shear thickening) material is one in which viscosity increases with the rate of shear strain. Such a shear thickening fluid, also known by the initialism STF, is an example of a non-Newtonian fluid. This behaviour is usually not observed in pure materials, but can occur in suspensions.
An example of dilatant is oobleck, a mixture of water and starch:
A person may walk on a large tub of oobleck without sinking due to its shear thickening properties, as long as the individual moves quickly enough to provide enough force with each step to cause the thickening.
The faster the candidate will try to pull out the sword, the more the liquid will hold it in place. Just give the surface of the blade adequate roughness.
Just instruct the chosen one to sloooowly pull out the sword. "Patience is the key!"
Starch was a luxury good in middle age, used for starching clothes. Since you are going to pick a king, I see no issues in using a luxury good.
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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10 hours ago
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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– David Rice
7 hours ago
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The stone has only to be the cover of a tub filled with a dilatant liquid.
A dilatant (dī-ˈlā-tᵊnt) (also termed shear thickening) material is one in which viscosity increases with the rate of shear strain. Such a shear thickening fluid, also known by the initialism STF, is an example of a non-Newtonian fluid. This behaviour is usually not observed in pure materials, but can occur in suspensions.
An example of dilatant is oobleck, a mixture of water and starch:
A person may walk on a large tub of oobleck without sinking due to its shear thickening properties, as long as the individual moves quickly enough to provide enough force with each step to cause the thickening.
The faster the candidate will try to pull out the sword, the more the liquid will hold it in place. Just give the surface of the blade adequate roughness.
Just instruct the chosen one to sloooowly pull out the sword. "Patience is the key!"
Starch was a luxury good in middle age, used for starching clothes. Since you are going to pick a king, I see no issues in using a luxury good.
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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– David Rice
7 hours ago
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The stone has only to be the cover of a tub filled with a dilatant liquid.
A dilatant (dī-ˈlā-tᵊnt) (also termed shear thickening) material is one in which viscosity increases with the rate of shear strain. Such a shear thickening fluid, also known by the initialism STF, is an example of a non-Newtonian fluid. This behaviour is usually not observed in pure materials, but can occur in suspensions.
An example of dilatant is oobleck, a mixture of water and starch:
A person may walk on a large tub of oobleck without sinking due to its shear thickening properties, as long as the individual moves quickly enough to provide enough force with each step to cause the thickening.
The faster the candidate will try to pull out the sword, the more the liquid will hold it in place. Just give the surface of the blade adequate roughness.
Just instruct the chosen one to sloooowly pull out the sword. "Patience is the key!"
Starch was a luxury good in middle age, used for starching clothes. Since you are going to pick a king, I see no issues in using a luxury good.
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The stone has only to be the cover of a tub filled with a dilatant liquid.
A dilatant (dī-ˈlā-tᵊnt) (also termed shear thickening) material is one in which viscosity increases with the rate of shear strain. Such a shear thickening fluid, also known by the initialism STF, is an example of a non-Newtonian fluid. This behaviour is usually not observed in pure materials, but can occur in suspensions.
An example of dilatant is oobleck, a mixture of water and starch:
A person may walk on a large tub of oobleck without sinking due to its shear thickening properties, as long as the individual moves quickly enough to provide enough force with each step to cause the thickening.
The faster the candidate will try to pull out the sword, the more the liquid will hold it in place. Just give the surface of the blade adequate roughness.
Just instruct the chosen one to sloooowly pull out the sword. "Patience is the key!"
Starch was a luxury good in middle age, used for starching clothes. Since you are going to pick a king, I see no issues in using a luxury good.
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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– David Rice
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
16
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
4
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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– David Rice
7 hours ago
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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Ah yes. They could also mutter an impressive-sounding chant as they did so, e.g. "Slowly, slowly, comes the sword, Slowly, slowly to its lord" etc.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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P.S. (a) Was there medieval oobleck? What specifically could it have been made from? (b) Is there an effect whereby a long strong pull would fail and yet a long weak pull would succeed? This would defeat people who made sudden movements but it would also defeat persistent types who pulled for a long time but too strongly.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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The 'give' of dilatants is noticeable, and would encourage people to go slow, as the experience of pulling things out of muck (poor mans oobleck) is quite relatable to the average swineherd...
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– bukwyrm
9 hours ago
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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– David Rice
7 hours ago
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Swords generally taper - the oobleck's effect would be greatly diminished because of this. You may end up with more effect of suction (like quicksand) than you would with shear thickening.
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– David Rice
7 hours ago
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The sword looks like this:
The parrying hooks can be inserted below the stone's surface, where they lock into whatever locking mechanism you desire.
Thus, anyone simply pulling on the handle will be unable to move the sword.
Only the correct sequence of movements, such as pushing or turning the sword, can then release the lock, allowing the blade to be pulled out.
With some practice, these movements could be performed such that they seem natural to observers. Alternatively, with the right “ritual instructions“, not even the Chosen One needs to know about the trick.
One minor disadvantage though: The stone cannot fit perfectly to the blade, as some space must be allowed for the parrying hooks. However, this can easily be explained by saying that obviously these grooves were made by the same hooks when the sword was pushed into the stone in the first place.
Even better: This mechanism can be made fully reusable, establishing a tradition of choosing the royal successor this way over multiple generations.
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
2 hours ago
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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The sword looks like this:
The parrying hooks can be inserted below the stone's surface, where they lock into whatever locking mechanism you desire.
Thus, anyone simply pulling on the handle will be unable to move the sword.
Only the correct sequence of movements, such as pushing or turning the sword, can then release the lock, allowing the blade to be pulled out.
With some practice, these movements could be performed such that they seem natural to observers. Alternatively, with the right “ritual instructions“, not even the Chosen One needs to know about the trick.
One minor disadvantage though: The stone cannot fit perfectly to the blade, as some space must be allowed for the parrying hooks. However, this can easily be explained by saying that obviously these grooves were made by the same hooks when the sword was pushed into the stone in the first place.
Even better: This mechanism can be made fully reusable, establishing a tradition of choosing the royal successor this way over multiple generations.
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
2 hours ago
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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The sword looks like this:
The parrying hooks can be inserted below the stone's surface, where they lock into whatever locking mechanism you desire.
Thus, anyone simply pulling on the handle will be unable to move the sword.
Only the correct sequence of movements, such as pushing or turning the sword, can then release the lock, allowing the blade to be pulled out.
With some practice, these movements could be performed such that they seem natural to observers. Alternatively, with the right “ritual instructions“, not even the Chosen One needs to know about the trick.
One minor disadvantage though: The stone cannot fit perfectly to the blade, as some space must be allowed for the parrying hooks. However, this can easily be explained by saying that obviously these grooves were made by the same hooks when the sword was pushed into the stone in the first place.
Even better: This mechanism can be made fully reusable, establishing a tradition of choosing the royal successor this way over multiple generations.
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The sword looks like this:
The parrying hooks can be inserted below the stone's surface, where they lock into whatever locking mechanism you desire.
Thus, anyone simply pulling on the handle will be unable to move the sword.
Only the correct sequence of movements, such as pushing or turning the sword, can then release the lock, allowing the blade to be pulled out.
With some practice, these movements could be performed such that they seem natural to observers. Alternatively, with the right “ritual instructions“, not even the Chosen One needs to know about the trick.
One minor disadvantage though: The stone cannot fit perfectly to the blade, as some space must be allowed for the parrying hooks. However, this can easily be explained by saying that obviously these grooves were made by the same hooks when the sword was pushed into the stone in the first place.
Even better: This mechanism can be made fully reusable, establishing a tradition of choosing the royal successor this way over multiple generations.
answered 9 hours ago
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
2 hours ago
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
2 hours ago
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
2 hours ago
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So it's childproof.
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– MikeTheLiar
2 hours ago
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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I like it - the sword fits into the stone like a key in a lock. A complicated 'twist' pattern would keep people from trying too hard, and whoever is watching over the stone can reset it if someone realizes they can twist it.
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– ArmanX
1 hour ago
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Forge a blade with a very slight reverse taper, so that it's ever-so-slightly wider at the tip than at the hilt. To the casual eye, the blade should appear straight and constant width, but should be just enough wider at the tip for your blade trap to hold it in place.
Now, choose a stone with a very rough texture. The reason for this is you're going to split the stone in two, preferably in an uneven and non-obvious pattern, and you don't want the seam to be noticeable. Inside the split, carve your grooves for the blade. You'll need to be very precise as the sword should fit very snugly into the grooves.
Finally, you will need to sand off a very thin layer on the cut side of one or both halves of the stone, so that they lean towards each other, applying pressure on both sides and trapping the tapered blade between them.
Now the trick: In order to remove the sword from the stone, you will need to place one foot on each half of the stone and push them apart. If they are large and heavy enough, the stones should barely need to move to release the pressure. To the untrained eye, it will seem that your arms are doing the work of pulling the sword upward, but in reality, it is your legs pushing the stone halves apart that free the blade to be easily drawn.
To discourage other people from mimicking your stance, your "king" should be wearing a robe that covers his feet, and the stone should have naturally comfortable obvious footholds that are both on the same half, so that people will not think not to use those but instead must stand in a less obvious and less comfortable position in order to push the stones apart.
As with any good "magic" trick, some practice may be required to make the act seem convincing. A little showmanship and slight of hand (or foot) goes a long way if you know what you're doing.
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Forge a blade with a very slight reverse taper, so that it's ever-so-slightly wider at the tip than at the hilt. To the casual eye, the blade should appear straight and constant width, but should be just enough wider at the tip for your blade trap to hold it in place.
Now, choose a stone with a very rough texture. The reason for this is you're going to split the stone in two, preferably in an uneven and non-obvious pattern, and you don't want the seam to be noticeable. Inside the split, carve your grooves for the blade. You'll need to be very precise as the sword should fit very snugly into the grooves.
Finally, you will need to sand off a very thin layer on the cut side of one or both halves of the stone, so that they lean towards each other, applying pressure on both sides and trapping the tapered blade between them.
Now the trick: In order to remove the sword from the stone, you will need to place one foot on each half of the stone and push them apart. If they are large and heavy enough, the stones should barely need to move to release the pressure. To the untrained eye, it will seem that your arms are doing the work of pulling the sword upward, but in reality, it is your legs pushing the stone halves apart that free the blade to be easily drawn.
To discourage other people from mimicking your stance, your "king" should be wearing a robe that covers his feet, and the stone should have naturally comfortable obvious footholds that are both on the same half, so that people will not think not to use those but instead must stand in a less obvious and less comfortable position in order to push the stones apart.
As with any good "magic" trick, some practice may be required to make the act seem convincing. A little showmanship and slight of hand (or foot) goes a long way if you know what you're doing.
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Forge a blade with a very slight reverse taper, so that it's ever-so-slightly wider at the tip than at the hilt. To the casual eye, the blade should appear straight and constant width, but should be just enough wider at the tip for your blade trap to hold it in place.
Now, choose a stone with a very rough texture. The reason for this is you're going to split the stone in two, preferably in an uneven and non-obvious pattern, and you don't want the seam to be noticeable. Inside the split, carve your grooves for the blade. You'll need to be very precise as the sword should fit very snugly into the grooves.
Finally, you will need to sand off a very thin layer on the cut side of one or both halves of the stone, so that they lean towards each other, applying pressure on both sides and trapping the tapered blade between them.
Now the trick: In order to remove the sword from the stone, you will need to place one foot on each half of the stone and push them apart. If they are large and heavy enough, the stones should barely need to move to release the pressure. To the untrained eye, it will seem that your arms are doing the work of pulling the sword upward, but in reality, it is your legs pushing the stone halves apart that free the blade to be easily drawn.
To discourage other people from mimicking your stance, your "king" should be wearing a robe that covers his feet, and the stone should have naturally comfortable obvious footholds that are both on the same half, so that people will not think not to use those but instead must stand in a less obvious and less comfortable position in order to push the stones apart.
As with any good "magic" trick, some practice may be required to make the act seem convincing. A little showmanship and slight of hand (or foot) goes a long way if you know what you're doing.
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Forge a blade with a very slight reverse taper, so that it's ever-so-slightly wider at the tip than at the hilt. To the casual eye, the blade should appear straight and constant width, but should be just enough wider at the tip for your blade trap to hold it in place.
Now, choose a stone with a very rough texture. The reason for this is you're going to split the stone in two, preferably in an uneven and non-obvious pattern, and you don't want the seam to be noticeable. Inside the split, carve your grooves for the blade. You'll need to be very precise as the sword should fit very snugly into the grooves.
Finally, you will need to sand off a very thin layer on the cut side of one or both halves of the stone, so that they lean towards each other, applying pressure on both sides and trapping the tapered blade between them.
Now the trick: In order to remove the sword from the stone, you will need to place one foot on each half of the stone and push them apart. If they are large and heavy enough, the stones should barely need to move to release the pressure. To the untrained eye, it will seem that your arms are doing the work of pulling the sword upward, but in reality, it is your legs pushing the stone halves apart that free the blade to be easily drawn.
To discourage other people from mimicking your stance, your "king" should be wearing a robe that covers his feet, and the stone should have naturally comfortable obvious footholds that are both on the same half, so that people will not think not to use those but instead must stand in a less obvious and less comfortable position in order to push the stones apart.
As with any good "magic" trick, some practice may be required to make the act seem convincing. A little showmanship and slight of hand (or foot) goes a long way if you know what you're doing.
answered 2 hours ago
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The sword is placed in a scabbard. At the bottom of the scabbard, there is a spring loaded push pin lock - when the sword is pushed all the way down, it pushes the pin back until it reaches a hole in the sword, then it springs back and locks the blade in the scabbard. The scabbard has a thread on the outside.
You pour a large concrete block or you pick a large rock and you drill a threaded hole. Concrete might be easier since you can create a metal jacket that you can set in the concrete. You tighten the scabbard into the rock.
Threaded fasteners were unknown in the medieval world, nobody would think to rotate the sword, they'll all try to pull it out.
Whoever is rigging the selection can reinforce the notion that the sword is meant to be pulled out by spreading rumors among the populous:
"Surely lord Clegane will be the next king! He is so strong he'll pull it out with one hand!"
"Lord John's servant told my wife's aunt the lord is drinking bull's blood. His witch told him it will give him the strength to pull the sword out and become king!"
Then reinforce it some more with some official announcements. Have the criers announce:
"Thou who pulls the sword out by his bare hands shall have the strength to be king!"
Give this a few months to work, then announce the contest is open. Have the soldiers overseeing the line of candidates give the following instructions to each man:
"Hurry up peasant! I don't have all day! You know the rules - you have 3 pulls - hurry up now, there are 100 more like you waiting!"
Feeling rushed and excited, the peasants have no change. Then you give some of the dumber aristocrats a go - again manipulating them to use brute force.
"Lord Stark! You were glorious at the battle of Sherlock. No man is as strong as you! Give it all your might and surely the stone will yield to you!"
Obviously, while still in front of witnesses, the nobles will be given more time and privacy for their attempt. Make the circle around the sword where people are not allowed bigger - say 50 ft. When your candidate of choice is to attempt, he'll be far enough that nobody will be able to see how exactly he pulls the sword out - but still close enough that there will be no question that he did gain the sword by himself.
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The sword is placed in a scabbard. At the bottom of the scabbard, there is a spring loaded push pin lock - when the sword is pushed all the way down, it pushes the pin back until it reaches a hole in the sword, then it springs back and locks the blade in the scabbard. The scabbard has a thread on the outside.
You pour a large concrete block or you pick a large rock and you drill a threaded hole. Concrete might be easier since you can create a metal jacket that you can set in the concrete. You tighten the scabbard into the rock.
Threaded fasteners were unknown in the medieval world, nobody would think to rotate the sword, they'll all try to pull it out.
Whoever is rigging the selection can reinforce the notion that the sword is meant to be pulled out by spreading rumors among the populous:
"Surely lord Clegane will be the next king! He is so strong he'll pull it out with one hand!"
"Lord John's servant told my wife's aunt the lord is drinking bull's blood. His witch told him it will give him the strength to pull the sword out and become king!"
Then reinforce it some more with some official announcements. Have the criers announce:
"Thou who pulls the sword out by his bare hands shall have the strength to be king!"
Give this a few months to work, then announce the contest is open. Have the soldiers overseeing the line of candidates give the following instructions to each man:
"Hurry up peasant! I don't have all day! You know the rules - you have 3 pulls - hurry up now, there are 100 more like you waiting!"
Feeling rushed and excited, the peasants have no change. Then you give some of the dumber aristocrats a go - again manipulating them to use brute force.
"Lord Stark! You were glorious at the battle of Sherlock. No man is as strong as you! Give it all your might and surely the stone will yield to you!"
Obviously, while still in front of witnesses, the nobles will be given more time and privacy for their attempt. Make the circle around the sword where people are not allowed bigger - say 50 ft. When your candidate of choice is to attempt, he'll be far enough that nobody will be able to see how exactly he pulls the sword out - but still close enough that there will be no question that he did gain the sword by himself.
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The sword is placed in a scabbard. At the bottom of the scabbard, there is a spring loaded push pin lock - when the sword is pushed all the way down, it pushes the pin back until it reaches a hole in the sword, then it springs back and locks the blade in the scabbard. The scabbard has a thread on the outside.
You pour a large concrete block or you pick a large rock and you drill a threaded hole. Concrete might be easier since you can create a metal jacket that you can set in the concrete. You tighten the scabbard into the rock.
Threaded fasteners were unknown in the medieval world, nobody would think to rotate the sword, they'll all try to pull it out.
Whoever is rigging the selection can reinforce the notion that the sword is meant to be pulled out by spreading rumors among the populous:
"Surely lord Clegane will be the next king! He is so strong he'll pull it out with one hand!"
"Lord John's servant told my wife's aunt the lord is drinking bull's blood. His witch told him it will give him the strength to pull the sword out and become king!"
Then reinforce it some more with some official announcements. Have the criers announce:
"Thou who pulls the sword out by his bare hands shall have the strength to be king!"
Give this a few months to work, then announce the contest is open. Have the soldiers overseeing the line of candidates give the following instructions to each man:
"Hurry up peasant! I don't have all day! You know the rules - you have 3 pulls - hurry up now, there are 100 more like you waiting!"
Feeling rushed and excited, the peasants have no change. Then you give some of the dumber aristocrats a go - again manipulating them to use brute force.
"Lord Stark! You were glorious at the battle of Sherlock. No man is as strong as you! Give it all your might and surely the stone will yield to you!"
Obviously, while still in front of witnesses, the nobles will be given more time and privacy for their attempt. Make the circle around the sword where people are not allowed bigger - say 50 ft. When your candidate of choice is to attempt, he'll be far enough that nobody will be able to see how exactly he pulls the sword out - but still close enough that there will be no question that he did gain the sword by himself.
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The sword is placed in a scabbard. At the bottom of the scabbard, there is a spring loaded push pin lock - when the sword is pushed all the way down, it pushes the pin back until it reaches a hole in the sword, then it springs back and locks the blade in the scabbard. The scabbard has a thread on the outside.
You pour a large concrete block or you pick a large rock and you drill a threaded hole. Concrete might be easier since you can create a metal jacket that you can set in the concrete. You tighten the scabbard into the rock.
Threaded fasteners were unknown in the medieval world, nobody would think to rotate the sword, they'll all try to pull it out.
Whoever is rigging the selection can reinforce the notion that the sword is meant to be pulled out by spreading rumors among the populous:
"Surely lord Clegane will be the next king! He is so strong he'll pull it out with one hand!"
"Lord John's servant told my wife's aunt the lord is drinking bull's blood. His witch told him it will give him the strength to pull the sword out and become king!"
Then reinforce it some more with some official announcements. Have the criers announce:
"Thou who pulls the sword out by his bare hands shall have the strength to be king!"
Give this a few months to work, then announce the contest is open. Have the soldiers overseeing the line of candidates give the following instructions to each man:
"Hurry up peasant! I don't have all day! You know the rules - you have 3 pulls - hurry up now, there are 100 more like you waiting!"
Feeling rushed and excited, the peasants have no change. Then you give some of the dumber aristocrats a go - again manipulating them to use brute force.
"Lord Stark! You were glorious at the battle of Sherlock. No man is as strong as you! Give it all your might and surely the stone will yield to you!"
Obviously, while still in front of witnesses, the nobles will be given more time and privacy for their attempt. Make the circle around the sword where people are not allowed bigger - say 50 ft. When your candidate of choice is to attempt, he'll be far enough that nobody will be able to see how exactly he pulls the sword out - but still close enough that there will be no question that he did gain the sword by himself.
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A different idea.
There is a release mechanism embedded in the sword hilt.
It basically has a hook that comes out from the side of the blade of the sword, blocking it inside the stone, and which can be triggered somehow.
Using a trigger is too risky: people could notice it and even realize that using it they can extract the sword. But it could use a kind of lock. I have two proposals
- The Chosen has a ring that can act as a key: it has an opportunely shaped extrusion that can be inserted in a lock inside the hint, which allows to release the hook that forces the sword inside the stone
- The Chosen has a ring made of magnetic iron. The mechanism in the hint has a kind of cavity with a metal rod, which is is attracted and moved upward, this way unlocking the hook. This last one is probably less suitable, beacuse the mechanism would need to be light in order to allow for the magnetic ring to attract the iron, but in this case it could be too fragile and easy to break if enough force is used to pull the sword
Or, if you like a less serious plot twist (even if it was explicitely forbidden by the OP): the sword is in reality a screw, and the Chosen is the only one who knows that he hasn't to pull the sword, but only unscrew it... :)
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A different idea.
There is a release mechanism embedded in the sword hilt.
It basically has a hook that comes out from the side of the blade of the sword, blocking it inside the stone, and which can be triggered somehow.
Using a trigger is too risky: people could notice it and even realize that using it they can extract the sword. But it could use a kind of lock. I have two proposals
- The Chosen has a ring that can act as a key: it has an opportunely shaped extrusion that can be inserted in a lock inside the hint, which allows to release the hook that forces the sword inside the stone
- The Chosen has a ring made of magnetic iron. The mechanism in the hint has a kind of cavity with a metal rod, which is is attracted and moved upward, this way unlocking the hook. This last one is probably less suitable, beacuse the mechanism would need to be light in order to allow for the magnetic ring to attract the iron, but in this case it could be too fragile and easy to break if enough force is used to pull the sword
Or, if you like a less serious plot twist (even if it was explicitely forbidden by the OP): the sword is in reality a screw, and the Chosen is the only one who knows that he hasn't to pull the sword, but only unscrew it... :)
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A different idea.
There is a release mechanism embedded in the sword hilt.
It basically has a hook that comes out from the side of the blade of the sword, blocking it inside the stone, and which can be triggered somehow.
Using a trigger is too risky: people could notice it and even realize that using it they can extract the sword. But it could use a kind of lock. I have two proposals
- The Chosen has a ring that can act as a key: it has an opportunely shaped extrusion that can be inserted in a lock inside the hint, which allows to release the hook that forces the sword inside the stone
- The Chosen has a ring made of magnetic iron. The mechanism in the hint has a kind of cavity with a metal rod, which is is attracted and moved upward, this way unlocking the hook. This last one is probably less suitable, beacuse the mechanism would need to be light in order to allow for the magnetic ring to attract the iron, but in this case it could be too fragile and easy to break if enough force is used to pull the sword
Or, if you like a less serious plot twist (even if it was explicitely forbidden by the OP): the sword is in reality a screw, and the Chosen is the only one who knows that he hasn't to pull the sword, but only unscrew it... :)
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A different idea.
There is a release mechanism embedded in the sword hilt.
It basically has a hook that comes out from the side of the blade of the sword, blocking it inside the stone, and which can be triggered somehow.
Using a trigger is too risky: people could notice it and even realize that using it they can extract the sword. But it could use a kind of lock. I have two proposals
- The Chosen has a ring that can act as a key: it has an opportunely shaped extrusion that can be inserted in a lock inside the hint, which allows to release the hook that forces the sword inside the stone
- The Chosen has a ring made of magnetic iron. The mechanism in the hint has a kind of cavity with a metal rod, which is is attracted and moved upward, this way unlocking the hook. This last one is probably less suitable, beacuse the mechanism would need to be light in order to allow for the magnetic ring to attract the iron, but in this case it could be too fragile and easy to break if enough force is used to pull the sword
Or, if you like a less serious plot twist (even if it was explicitely forbidden by the OP): the sword is in reality a screw, and the Chosen is the only one who knows that he hasn't to pull the sword, but only unscrew it... :)
answered 4 hours ago
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Without looking at all the other answers here. It could be possible to place a sword into a stone that is melted like lava. I imagine the stone was not brittle.
All one would have to do is add sand to liquid iron or bronze enough to give it a more Stoney texture and appearance. The differences in temperature from the sword and molten Stone would be enough to keep the sword from adhering to the stone on a molecular level.
The best time to pull the sword what day wallet it was in the middle of winter maybe on a unusually cold day when nobody is willing to come out and try. The best time to have a sword pulling contest would be in the middle of summer.
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Without looking at all the other answers here. It could be possible to place a sword into a stone that is melted like lava. I imagine the stone was not brittle.
All one would have to do is add sand to liquid iron or bronze enough to give it a more Stoney texture and appearance. The differences in temperature from the sword and molten Stone would be enough to keep the sword from adhering to the stone on a molecular level.
The best time to pull the sword what day wallet it was in the middle of winter maybe on a unusually cold day when nobody is willing to come out and try. The best time to have a sword pulling contest would be in the middle of summer.
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Without looking at all the other answers here. It could be possible to place a sword into a stone that is melted like lava. I imagine the stone was not brittle.
All one would have to do is add sand to liquid iron or bronze enough to give it a more Stoney texture and appearance. The differences in temperature from the sword and molten Stone would be enough to keep the sword from adhering to the stone on a molecular level.
The best time to pull the sword what day wallet it was in the middle of winter maybe on a unusually cold day when nobody is willing to come out and try. The best time to have a sword pulling contest would be in the middle of summer.
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Without looking at all the other answers here. It could be possible to place a sword into a stone that is melted like lava. I imagine the stone was not brittle.
All one would have to do is add sand to liquid iron or bronze enough to give it a more Stoney texture and appearance. The differences in temperature from the sword and molten Stone would be enough to keep the sword from adhering to the stone on a molecular level.
The best time to pull the sword what day wallet it was in the middle of winter maybe on a unusually cold day when nobody is willing to come out and try. The best time to have a sword pulling contest would be in the middle of summer.
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Concrete would be available to them, and is quite capable of holding that sword in place. The ancient Romans had concrete, and while not common in the medieval era, its knowledge need not have disappeared.
Just put the sword in a mold, pour concrete around it, and have a stone mason work the result until it looks like the shape of rock you want. You can even paint it to look more like a natural rock if you want, or clad it in natural stones.
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
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The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
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– dwizum
8 hours ago
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@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
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– Patrice
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Concrete would be available to them, and is quite capable of holding that sword in place. The ancient Romans had concrete, and while not common in the medieval era, its knowledge need not have disappeared.
Just put the sword in a mold, pour concrete around it, and have a stone mason work the result until it looks like the shape of rock you want. You can even paint it to look more like a natural rock if you want, or clad it in natural stones.
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
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The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
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– dwizum
8 hours ago
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@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
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– Patrice
7 hours ago
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Concrete would be available to them, and is quite capable of holding that sword in place. The ancient Romans had concrete, and while not common in the medieval era, its knowledge need not have disappeared.
Just put the sword in a mold, pour concrete around it, and have a stone mason work the result until it looks like the shape of rock you want. You can even paint it to look more like a natural rock if you want, or clad it in natural stones.
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Concrete would be available to them, and is quite capable of holding that sword in place. The ancient Romans had concrete, and while not common in the medieval era, its knowledge need not have disappeared.
Just put the sword in a mold, pour concrete around it, and have a stone mason work the result until it looks like the shape of rock you want. You can even paint it to look more like a natural rock if you want, or clad it in natural stones.
answered 10 hours ago
jwentingjwenting
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
4
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Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
3
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@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
3
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The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
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– dwizum
8 hours ago
5
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@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
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– Patrice
7 hours ago
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
4
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Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
3
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@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
3
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The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
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– dwizum
8 hours ago
5
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@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
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– Patrice
7 hours ago
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6
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
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Okay but what is the release mechanism? Only one person should be able to draw the sword. If it is set in concrete, either no-one could or the first strong person to try could.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
4
4
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Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
Please read the question carefully. There is no real magic. The whole idea is to fake magic. Also this happens in medieval times and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented electromagnetism then unless you can convince me otherwise.
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– chasly from UK
10 hours ago
3
3
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@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK : I just worked out the specs for an electromagnet that would be guaranteed to hold the sword in place. It works out to about 10 million ampere-turns at about 75 kV. Not unless you've got a large generator or at least a large capacitor hidden somewhere and are planning to move the sword away when not in use.
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– nzaman
8 hours ago
3
3
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The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
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– dwizum
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
The problem with an electromagnet (besides not existing in the stated historical timeframe) is that every time someone clad in armor attempted to remove the sword, they'd become just as stuck to the rock as the sword itself was. And the circle should probably be bigger than 6 feet, or else your guards are going to be stuck to the rock too, or at least get really tired resisting it's pull. You'd better have your One True King (TM) try relatively early, or he's going to have a lot of shiny knights to remove from the rock before pulling out the sword.
$endgroup$
– dwizum
8 hours ago
5
5
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@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
$endgroup$
– Patrice
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dwizum but only the true king can untangle the mess of knights and guards around his fated weapon!
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– Patrice
7 hours ago
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As the late Sir Terry Pratchett put it ‘What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done.'
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– Rekesoft
10 hours ago
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@Rekesoft, Lord Rust, at dinner with Edward d'Eath
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– Separatrix
10 hours ago
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I guess moving parts of the stone would be too obvious?
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– kikirex
8 hours ago
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You mention it needing to be real stone without explaining why. Would concrete be acceptable? It predates the middle ages and was then apparently mostly forgotten for several centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete#Middle_Ages. So someone could easily pass it off as real stone, especially with some natural weathering, lichen, etc. This would make it easy to encase a custom mechanism
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– anjama
4 hours ago
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@kikirex - It's an interesting idea but then the watchers would say, "Oh, it's a puzzle!". In medieval times, blacksmiths' puzzles were common. As I said in the intro to my question, the idea is to to 'convince the general populace that magic exists.'
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– chasly from UK
2 hours ago