Can tesla valve concept work for electrons?
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This is a Tesla Valve. It works by diverting liquid or gas back on itself when it is flown in one direction and allowing a smooth flow in the other direction.
Can the same concept be used to create a semiconductor? Why?
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This is a Tesla Valve. It works by diverting liquid or gas back on itself when it is flown in one direction and allowing a smooth flow in the other direction.
Can the same concept be used to create a semiconductor? Why?
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It would perhaps be more reasonable to think of a Tesla valve as a poor facsimile of a diode than to attempt to think of how to make a semiconductor function like a Tesla valve. A Tesla valve is quite leaky and it's main advantage is the lack of moving parts and perhaps fast response. A diode also has no moving parts and within reason and within your budget, it can be arbitrarily not leaky, arbitrarily fast, etc. To justify making a semiconductor that used the same principles as a Tesla valve, you would have to find some parallel for it's operating principle that would have some advantage.
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– K H
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That said, perhaps there is some way. I think diodes perform more like a one way mechanical one way valve than a Tesla valve, so maybe you can invent a diode with near instantaneous(compared to the current fastest diodes) response. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:38
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I 'suspect' that you (just maybe) may be able to achieve something like this effect using thermionic emission and charged structures. Nothing as "fine" as the 'Tesla valve' probably, but something that bends electron streams in curved paths in one direction and accelerates them in the other. I (idly) wonder if there is anything in a Magnetron design that may be bent (pun noted) to this function.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 2 at 11:00
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This is a Tesla Valve. It works by diverting liquid or gas back on itself when it is flown in one direction and allowing a smooth flow in the other direction.
Can the same concept be used to create a semiconductor? Why?
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This is a Tesla Valve. It works by diverting liquid or gas back on itself when it is flown in one direction and allowing a smooth flow in the other direction.
Can the same concept be used to create a semiconductor? Why?
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It would perhaps be more reasonable to think of a Tesla valve as a poor facsimile of a diode than to attempt to think of how to make a semiconductor function like a Tesla valve. A Tesla valve is quite leaky and it's main advantage is the lack of moving parts and perhaps fast response. A diode also has no moving parts and within reason and within your budget, it can be arbitrarily not leaky, arbitrarily fast, etc. To justify making a semiconductor that used the same principles as a Tesla valve, you would have to find some parallel for it's operating principle that would have some advantage.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:33
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That said, perhaps there is some way. I think diodes perform more like a one way mechanical one way valve than a Tesla valve, so maybe you can invent a diode with near instantaneous(compared to the current fastest diodes) response. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:38
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I 'suspect' that you (just maybe) may be able to achieve something like this effect using thermionic emission and charged structures. Nothing as "fine" as the 'Tesla valve' probably, but something that bends electron streams in curved paths in one direction and accelerates them in the other. I (idly) wonder if there is anything in a Magnetron design that may be bent (pun noted) to this function.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 2 at 11:00
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It would perhaps be more reasonable to think of a Tesla valve as a poor facsimile of a diode than to attempt to think of how to make a semiconductor function like a Tesla valve. A Tesla valve is quite leaky and it's main advantage is the lack of moving parts and perhaps fast response. A diode also has no moving parts and within reason and within your budget, it can be arbitrarily not leaky, arbitrarily fast, etc. To justify making a semiconductor that used the same principles as a Tesla valve, you would have to find some parallel for it's operating principle that would have some advantage.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:33
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That said, perhaps there is some way. I think diodes perform more like a one way mechanical one way valve than a Tesla valve, so maybe you can invent a diode with near instantaneous(compared to the current fastest diodes) response. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:38
$begingroup$
I 'suspect' that you (just maybe) may be able to achieve something like this effect using thermionic emission and charged structures. Nothing as "fine" as the 'Tesla valve' probably, but something that bends electron streams in curved paths in one direction and accelerates them in the other. I (idly) wonder if there is anything in a Magnetron design that may be bent (pun noted) to this function.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 2 at 11:00
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It would perhaps be more reasonable to think of a Tesla valve as a poor facsimile of a diode than to attempt to think of how to make a semiconductor function like a Tesla valve. A Tesla valve is quite leaky and it's main advantage is the lack of moving parts and perhaps fast response. A diode also has no moving parts and within reason and within your budget, it can be arbitrarily not leaky, arbitrarily fast, etc. To justify making a semiconductor that used the same principles as a Tesla valve, you would have to find some parallel for it's operating principle that would have some advantage.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:33
$begingroup$
It would perhaps be more reasonable to think of a Tesla valve as a poor facsimile of a diode than to attempt to think of how to make a semiconductor function like a Tesla valve. A Tesla valve is quite leaky and it's main advantage is the lack of moving parts and perhaps fast response. A diode also has no moving parts and within reason and within your budget, it can be arbitrarily not leaky, arbitrarily fast, etc. To justify making a semiconductor that used the same principles as a Tesla valve, you would have to find some parallel for it's operating principle that would have some advantage.
$endgroup$
– K H
Apr 2 at 2:33
$begingroup$
That said, perhaps there is some way. I think diodes perform more like a one way mechanical one way valve than a Tesla valve, so maybe you can invent a diode with near instantaneous(compared to the current fastest diodes) response. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
$endgroup$
– K H
Apr 2 at 2:38
$begingroup$
That said, perhaps there is some way. I think diodes perform more like a one way mechanical one way valve than a Tesla valve, so maybe you can invent a diode with near instantaneous(compared to the current fastest diodes) response. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
$endgroup$
– K H
Apr 2 at 2:38
$begingroup$
I 'suspect' that you (just maybe) may be able to achieve something like this effect using thermionic emission and charged structures. Nothing as "fine" as the 'Tesla valve' probably, but something that bends electron streams in curved paths in one direction and accelerates them in the other. I (idly) wonder if there is anything in a Magnetron design that may be bent (pun noted) to this function.
$endgroup$
– Russell McMahon
Apr 2 at 11:00
$begingroup$
I 'suspect' that you (just maybe) may be able to achieve something like this effect using thermionic emission and charged structures. Nothing as "fine" as the 'Tesla valve' probably, but something that bends electron streams in curved paths in one direction and accelerates them in the other. I (idly) wonder if there is anything in a Magnetron design that may be bent (pun noted) to this function.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 2 at 11:00
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No. The design of the Tesla valve requires a material which has inertia (so that the "slanted" paths are preferred for backflow), and which behaves as a viscous fluid (so that the pressure of the reversed backflows can obstruct forward flow). Neither of these is applicable to the movement of electrons within a conductor.
answered Apr 1 at 19:55
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I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
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– Neil_UK
Apr 1 at 20:29
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Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
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– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
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Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
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No. The design of the Tesla valve requires a material which has inertia (so that the "slanted" paths are preferred for backflow), and which behaves as a viscous fluid (so that the pressure of the reversed backflows can obstruct forward flow). Neither of these is applicable to the movement of electrons within a conductor.
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I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
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– Neil_UK
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Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
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– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
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Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
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– doker
Apr 2 at 12:07
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No. The design of the Tesla valve requires a material which has inertia (so that the "slanted" paths are preferred for backflow), and which behaves as a viscous fluid (so that the pressure of the reversed backflows can obstruct forward flow). Neither of these is applicable to the movement of electrons within a conductor.
answered Apr 1 at 19:55
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I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
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– Neil_UK
Apr 1 at 20:29
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Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
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– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
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Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
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– doker
Apr 2 at 12:07
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No. The design of the Tesla valve requires a material which has inertia (so that the "slanted" paths are preferred for backflow), and which behaves as a viscous fluid (so that the pressure of the reversed backflows can obstruct forward flow). Neither of these is applicable to the movement of electrons within a conductor.
answered Apr 1 at 19:55
duskwuffduskwuff
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No. The design of the Tesla valve requires a material which has inertia (so that the "slanted" paths are preferred for backflow), and which behaves as a viscous fluid (so that the pressure of the reversed backflows can obstruct forward flow). Neither of these is applicable to the movement of electrons within a conductor.
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answered Apr 1 at 19:55
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answered Apr 1 at 19:55
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answered Apr 1 at 19:55
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I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
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– Neil_UK
Apr 1 at 20:29
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Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
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– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
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Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
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– doker
Apr 2 at 12:07
add a comment |
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I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
$endgroup$
– Neil_UK
Apr 1 at 20:29
1
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Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
$endgroup$
– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
$begingroup$
Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
$endgroup$
– doker
Apr 2 at 12:07
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I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
$endgroup$
– Neil_UK
Apr 1 at 20:29
$begingroup$
I'd agree on the absence of viscosity for electrons, though their inertia is real enough. Surface tension and molecular attraction (not the apparently similar Coanda effect) are required for the fluid to stick to the inclined walls, also absent from electrons.
$endgroup$
– Neil_UK
Apr 1 at 20:29
1
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Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
$endgroup$
– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
$begingroup$
Well, if you take the top level concept of the Tesla Valve as "a magical thing that lets flow go in one direction but not the other" then you have a diode, either semiconductor or thermionic. I doubt that's what the OP meant, however.
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– TimWescott
Apr 1 at 20:43
$begingroup$
Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
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– doker
Apr 2 at 12:07
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Diods unfortunately cause voltage drop which does not happen in tesla valve. With a pancake solenoid made of wire funcioning as a tesla valve, one could rotate bar a magnet over the surface of the pancake and pump current out of it, right?
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It would perhaps be more reasonable to think of a Tesla valve as a poor facsimile of a diode than to attempt to think of how to make a semiconductor function like a Tesla valve. A Tesla valve is quite leaky and it's main advantage is the lack of moving parts and perhaps fast response. A diode also has no moving parts and within reason and within your budget, it can be arbitrarily not leaky, arbitrarily fast, etc. To justify making a semiconductor that used the same principles as a Tesla valve, you would have to find some parallel for it's operating principle that would have some advantage.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:33
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That said, perhaps there is some way. I think diodes perform more like a one way mechanical one way valve than a Tesla valve, so maybe you can invent a diode with near instantaneous(compared to the current fastest diodes) response. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
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– K H
Apr 2 at 2:38
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I 'suspect' that you (just maybe) may be able to achieve something like this effect using thermionic emission and charged structures. Nothing as "fine" as the 'Tesla valve' probably, but something that bends electron streams in curved paths in one direction and accelerates them in the other. I (idly) wonder if there is anything in a Magnetron design that may be bent (pun noted) to this function.
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– Russell McMahon
Apr 2 at 11:00