What does Linus Torvalds mean when he says that Git “never ever” tracks a file?
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Quoting Linus Torvalds when asked how many files Git can handle during his Tech Talk at Google in 2007 (43:09):
…Git tracks your content. It never ever tracks a single file. You cannot track a file in Git. What you can do is you can track a project that has a single file, but if your project has a single file, sure do that and you can do it, but if you track 10,000 files, Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content. All history in Git is based on the history of the whole project…
(Transcripts here.)
Yet, when you dive into the Git book, the first thing you are told is that a file in Git can be either tracked or untracked. Furthermore, it seems to me like the whole Git experience is geared towards file versioning. When using git diff
or git status
output is presented on a per file basis. When using git add
you also get to choose on a per file basis. You can even review history on a file basis and is lightning fast.
How should this statement be interpreted? In terms of file tracking, how is Git different from other source control systems, such as CVS?
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Quoting Linus Torvalds when asked how many files Git can handle during his Tech Talk at Google in 2007 (43:09):
…Git tracks your content. It never ever tracks a single file. You cannot track a file in Git. What you can do is you can track a project that has a single file, but if your project has a single file, sure do that and you can do it, but if you track 10,000 files, Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content. All history in Git is based on the history of the whole project…
(Transcripts here.)
Yet, when you dive into the Git book, the first thing you are told is that a file in Git can be either tracked or untracked. Furthermore, it seems to me like the whole Git experience is geared towards file versioning. When using git diff
or git status
output is presented on a per file basis. When using git add
you also get to choose on a per file basis. You can even review history on a file basis and is lightning fast.
How should this statement be interpreted? In terms of file tracking, how is Git different from other source control systems, such as CVS?
git version-control
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reddit.com/r/git/comments/5xmrkv/what_is_a_snapshot_in_git - "For where you are at the moment, I suspect what's more important to realize is that there's a difference between how Git presents files to users and how it deals with them internally. As presented to the user, a snapshot contains complete files, not merely diffs. But internally, yes, Git uses diffs to generate packfiles that efficiently store revisions." (This is sharp contrast to, eg. Subversion.)
– user2864740
Apr 9 at 23:47
5
Git doesn't track files, it tracks changesets. Most version control systems track files. As an example of how / why this can matter, try to check in an empty directory to git (spolier: you can't, because that's an "empty" changeset).
– Elliott Frisch
Apr 9 at 23:52
12
@ElliottFrisch That doesn't sound right. Your description is closer to what e.g. darcs does. Git stores snapshots, not changesets.
– melpomene
Apr 10 at 0:02
4
I think he means Git does not track a file directly. A file includes its name and content. Git tracks contents as blobs. Given a blob only, you can't tell what its corresponding file name is. It could be the content of multiple files with different names under different paths. The bindings between a path name and a blob are described in a tree object.
– ElpieKay
Apr 10 at 0:20
2
Related: Randal Schwartz' followup to Linus' talk (also a Google Tech talk) - "... What Git is really all about ... Linus said what Git is NOT".
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 10 at 2:07
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Quoting Linus Torvalds when asked how many files Git can handle during his Tech Talk at Google in 2007 (43:09):
…Git tracks your content. It never ever tracks a single file. You cannot track a file in Git. What you can do is you can track a project that has a single file, but if your project has a single file, sure do that and you can do it, but if you track 10,000 files, Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content. All history in Git is based on the history of the whole project…
(Transcripts here.)
Yet, when you dive into the Git book, the first thing you are told is that a file in Git can be either tracked or untracked. Furthermore, it seems to me like the whole Git experience is geared towards file versioning. When using git diff
or git status
output is presented on a per file basis. When using git add
you also get to choose on a per file basis. You can even review history on a file basis and is lightning fast.
How should this statement be interpreted? In terms of file tracking, how is Git different from other source control systems, such as CVS?
git version-control
Quoting Linus Torvalds when asked how many files Git can handle during his Tech Talk at Google in 2007 (43:09):
…Git tracks your content. It never ever tracks a single file. You cannot track a file in Git. What you can do is you can track a project that has a single file, but if your project has a single file, sure do that and you can do it, but if you track 10,000 files, Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content. All history in Git is based on the history of the whole project…
(Transcripts here.)
Yet, when you dive into the Git book, the first thing you are told is that a file in Git can be either tracked or untracked. Furthermore, it seems to me like the whole Git experience is geared towards file versioning. When using git diff
or git status
output is presented on a per file basis. When using git add
you also get to choose on a per file basis. You can even review history on a file basis and is lightning fast.
How should this statement be interpreted? In terms of file tracking, how is Git different from other source control systems, such as CVS?
git version-control
git version-control
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reddit.com/r/git/comments/5xmrkv/what_is_a_snapshot_in_git - "For where you are at the moment, I suspect what's more important to realize is that there's a difference between how Git presents files to users and how it deals with them internally. As presented to the user, a snapshot contains complete files, not merely diffs. But internally, yes, Git uses diffs to generate packfiles that efficiently store revisions." (This is sharp contrast to, eg. Subversion.)
– user2864740
Apr 9 at 23:47
5
Git doesn't track files, it tracks changesets. Most version control systems track files. As an example of how / why this can matter, try to check in an empty directory to git (spolier: you can't, because that's an "empty" changeset).
– Elliott Frisch
Apr 9 at 23:52
12
@ElliottFrisch That doesn't sound right. Your description is closer to what e.g. darcs does. Git stores snapshots, not changesets.
– melpomene
Apr 10 at 0:02
4
I think he means Git does not track a file directly. A file includes its name and content. Git tracks contents as blobs. Given a blob only, you can't tell what its corresponding file name is. It could be the content of multiple files with different names under different paths. The bindings between a path name and a blob are described in a tree object.
– ElpieKay
Apr 10 at 0:20
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Related: Randal Schwartz' followup to Linus' talk (also a Google Tech talk) - "... What Git is really all about ... Linus said what Git is NOT".
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 10 at 2:07
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reddit.com/r/git/comments/5xmrkv/what_is_a_snapshot_in_git - "For where you are at the moment, I suspect what's more important to realize is that there's a difference between how Git presents files to users and how it deals with them internally. As presented to the user, a snapshot contains complete files, not merely diffs. But internally, yes, Git uses diffs to generate packfiles that efficiently store revisions." (This is sharp contrast to, eg. Subversion.)
– user2864740
Apr 9 at 23:47
5
Git doesn't track files, it tracks changesets. Most version control systems track files. As an example of how / why this can matter, try to check in an empty directory to git (spolier: you can't, because that's an "empty" changeset).
– Elliott Frisch
Apr 9 at 23:52
12
@ElliottFrisch That doesn't sound right. Your description is closer to what e.g. darcs does. Git stores snapshots, not changesets.
– melpomene
Apr 10 at 0:02
4
I think he means Git does not track a file directly. A file includes its name and content. Git tracks contents as blobs. Given a blob only, you can't tell what its corresponding file name is. It could be the content of multiple files with different names under different paths. The bindings between a path name and a blob are described in a tree object.
– ElpieKay
Apr 10 at 0:20
2
Related: Randal Schwartz' followup to Linus' talk (also a Google Tech talk) - "... What Git is really all about ... Linus said what Git is NOT".
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 10 at 2:07
15
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reddit.com/r/git/comments/5xmrkv/what_is_a_snapshot_in_git - "For where you are at the moment, I suspect what's more important to realize is that there's a difference between how Git presents files to users and how it deals with them internally. As presented to the user, a snapshot contains complete files, not merely diffs. But internally, yes, Git uses diffs to generate packfiles that efficiently store revisions." (This is sharp contrast to, eg. Subversion.)
– user2864740
Apr 9 at 23:47
reddit.com/r/git/comments/5xmrkv/what_is_a_snapshot_in_git - "For where you are at the moment, I suspect what's more important to realize is that there's a difference between how Git presents files to users and how it deals with them internally. As presented to the user, a snapshot contains complete files, not merely diffs. But internally, yes, Git uses diffs to generate packfiles that efficiently store revisions." (This is sharp contrast to, eg. Subversion.)
– user2864740
Apr 9 at 23:47
5
5
Git doesn't track files, it tracks changesets. Most version control systems track files. As an example of how / why this can matter, try to check in an empty directory to git (spolier: you can't, because that's an "empty" changeset).
– Elliott Frisch
Apr 9 at 23:52
Git doesn't track files, it tracks changesets. Most version control systems track files. As an example of how / why this can matter, try to check in an empty directory to git (spolier: you can't, because that's an "empty" changeset).
– Elliott Frisch
Apr 9 at 23:52
12
12
@ElliottFrisch That doesn't sound right. Your description is closer to what e.g. darcs does. Git stores snapshots, not changesets.
– melpomene
Apr 10 at 0:02
@ElliottFrisch That doesn't sound right. Your description is closer to what e.g. darcs does. Git stores snapshots, not changesets.
– melpomene
Apr 10 at 0:02
4
4
I think he means Git does not track a file directly. A file includes its name and content. Git tracks contents as blobs. Given a blob only, you can't tell what its corresponding file name is. It could be the content of multiple files with different names under different paths. The bindings between a path name and a blob are described in a tree object.
– ElpieKay
Apr 10 at 0:20
I think he means Git does not track a file directly. A file includes its name and content. Git tracks contents as blobs. Given a blob only, you can't tell what its corresponding file name is. It could be the content of multiple files with different names under different paths. The bindings between a path name and a blob are described in a tree object.
– ElpieKay
Apr 10 at 0:20
2
2
Related: Randal Schwartz' followup to Linus' talk (also a Google Tech talk) - "... What Git is really all about ... Linus said what Git is NOT".
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 10 at 2:07
Related: Randal Schwartz' followup to Linus' talk (also a Google Tech talk) - "... What Git is really all about ... Linus said what Git is NOT".
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 10 at 2:07
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In CVS, history was tracked on a per-file basis. A branch might consist of various files with their own various revisions, each with its own version number. CVS was based on RCS (Revision Control System), which tracked individual files in a similar way.
On the other hand, Git takes snapshots of the state of the whole project. Files are not tracked and versioned independently; a revision in the repository refers to a state of the whole project, not one file.
When Git refers to tracking a file, it means simply that it is to be included in the history of the project. Linus's talk was not referring to tracking files in the Git context, but was contrasting the CVS and RCS model with the snapshot-based model used in Git.
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You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.
– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
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And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
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@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
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@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
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I agree with brian m. carlson's answer: Linus is indeed distinguishing, at least in part, between file-oriented and commit-oriented version control systems. But I think there is more to it than that.
In my book, which is stalled and might never get finished, I tried to come up with a taxonomy for version control systems. In my taxonomy the term for what we're interested here is the atomicity of the version control system. See what is currently page 22. When a VCS has file-level atomicity, there is in fact a history for each file. The VCS must remember the name of the file and what occurred to it at each point.
Git doesn't do that. Git has only a history of commits—the commit is its unit of atomicity, and the history is the set of commits in the repository. What a commit remembers is the data—a whole tree-full of file names and the contents that go with each of those files—plus some metadata: for instance, who made the commit, when, and why, and the internal Git hash ID of the commit's parent commit. (It is this parent, and the directed acycling graph formed by reading all commits and their parents, that is the history in a repository.)
Note that a VCS can be commit-oriented, yet still store data file-by-file. That's an implementation detail, though sometimes an important one, and Git does not do that either. Instead, each commit records a tree, with the tree object encoding file names, modes (i.e., is this file executable or not?), and a pointer to the actual file content. The content itself is stored independently, in a blob object. Like a commit object, a blob gets a hash ID that is unique to its content—but unlike a commit, which can only appear once, the blob can appear in many commits. So the underlying file content in Git is stored directly as a blob, and then indirectly in a tree object whose hash ID is recorded (directly or indirectly) in the commit object.
When you ask Git to show you a file's history using:
git log [--follow] [starting-point] [--] path/to/file
what Git is really doing is walking the commit history, which is the only history Git has, but not showing you any of these commits unless:
- the commit is a non-merge commit, and
- the parent of that commit also has the file, but the content in the parent differs, or the parent of the commit doesn't have the file at all
(but some of these conditions can be modified via additional git log
options, and there's a very difficult to describe side effect called History Simplification that makes Git omit some commits from the history walk entirely). The file history you see here does not exactly exist in the repository, in some sense: instead, it's just a synthetic subset of the real history. You'll get a different "file history" if you use different git log
options!
Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
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The confusing bit is here:
Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content.
Git often uses 160 bit hashes in place of objects in its own repo. A tree of files is basically a list of names and hashes associated with the content of each (plus some metadata).
But the 160 bit hash uniquely identifies the content (within the universe of the git database). So a tree with hashes as content includes the content in its state.
If you change the state of the content of a file, its hash changes. But if its hash changes, the hash associated with the file name's content also changes. Which in turn changes the hash of the "directory tree".
When a git database stores a directory tree, that directory tree implies and includes all of the content of all of the subdirectories and all of the files in it.
It is organized in a tree structure with (immutable, reusable) pointers to blobs or other trees, but logically it is a single snapshot of the entire content of the entire tree. The representation in the git database isn't the flat data contents, but logically it is all of its data and nothing else.
If you serialized the tree to a filesystem, deleted all .git folders, and told git to add the tree back into its database, you'd end up with adding nothing to the database -- the element would already be there.
It may help to think of git's hashes as a reference counted pointer to immutable data.
If you built an application around that, a document is a bunch of pages, which have layers, which have groups, which have objects.
When you want to change an object, you have to create a completely new group for it. If you want to change a group, you have to create a new layer, which needs a new page, which needs a new document.
Every time you change a single object, it spawns a new document. The old document continues to exist. The new and old document share most of their content -- they have the same pages (except 1). That one page has the same layers (except 1). That layer has the same groups (except 1). That group has the same objects (except 1).
And by same, I mean logically a copy, but implementation-wise it is just another reference counted pointer to the same immutable object.
A git repo is a lot like that.
This means that a given git changeset contains its commit message (as a hash code), it contains its work tree, and it contains its parent changes.
Those parent changes contain their parent changes, all the way back.
The part of the git repo that contains history is that chain of changes. That chain of changes it at a level above the "directory" tree -- from a "directory" tree, you cannot uniquely get to a change set and the chain of changes.
To find out what happens to a file, you start with that file in a changeset. That changeset has a history. Often in that history, the same named file exists, sometimes with the same content. If the content is the same, there was no change to the file. If it is different, there is a change, and work needs to be done to work out exactly what.
Sometimes the file is gone; but, the "directory" tree might have another file with the same content (same hash code), so we can track it that way (note; this is why you want a commit-to-move a file separate from a commit-to-edit). Or the same file name, and after checking the file is similar enough.
So git can patchwork together a "file history".
But this file history comes from efficient parsing of the "entire changeset", not from a link from one version of the file to another.
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"git does not track files" basically means that git's commits consist of a file tree snapshot connecting a path in the tree to a "blob" and a commit graph tracking the history of commits. Everything else is reconstructed on-the-fly by commands like "git log" and "git blame". This reconstruction can be told via various options how hard it should look for file-based changes. The default heuristics can determine when a blob changes place in the file tree without change, or when a file is associated with a different blob than before. The compression mechanisms Git uses don't care a whole lot about blob/file boundaries. If the content is somewhere already, this will keep the repository growth small without associating the various blobs.
Now that is the repository. Git also has a working tree, and in this working tree there are tracked and untracked files. Only the tracked files are recorded in the index (staging area? cache?) and only what is tracked there makes it into the repository.
The index is file-oriented and there are some file-oriented commands for manipulating it. But what ends up in the repository is just commits in the form of file tree snapshots and the associated blob data and the commit's ancestors.
Since Git does not track file histories and renames and its efficiency does not depend on them, sometimes you have to try a few times with different options until Git produces the history/diffs/blames you are interested in for non-trivial histories.
That's different with systems like Subversion which record rather than reconstruct histories. If it's not on record, you don't get to hear about it.
I actually built a differential installer at one time that just compared release trees by checking them into Git and then producing a script duplicating their effect. Since sometimes whole trees were moved, this produced much smaller differential installers than overwriting/deleting everything would have produced.
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Git doesn't track a file directly, but tracks snapshots of the repository, and these snapshots happen to consist of files.
Here's a way to look at it.
In other version control systems (SVN, Rational ClearCase), you can right click on a file and get its change history.
In Git, there is no direct command that does this. See this question. You'll be surprised at how many different answers there are. There is no one simple answer because Git doesn't simply track a file, not in the way that SVN or ClearCase does it.
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I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them usegit log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (alsogit log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)
– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
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In CVS, history was tracked on a per-file basis. A branch might consist of various files with their own various revisions, each with its own version number. CVS was based on RCS (Revision Control System), which tracked individual files in a similar way.
On the other hand, Git takes snapshots of the state of the whole project. Files are not tracked and versioned independently; a revision in the repository refers to a state of the whole project, not one file.
When Git refers to tracking a file, it means simply that it is to be included in the history of the project. Linus's talk was not referring to tracking files in the Git context, but was contrasting the CVS and RCS model with the snapshot-based model used in Git.
4
You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.
– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
41
And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
10
@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
1
@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
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In CVS, history was tracked on a per-file basis. A branch might consist of various files with their own various revisions, each with its own version number. CVS was based on RCS (Revision Control System), which tracked individual files in a similar way.
On the other hand, Git takes snapshots of the state of the whole project. Files are not tracked and versioned independently; a revision in the repository refers to a state of the whole project, not one file.
When Git refers to tracking a file, it means simply that it is to be included in the history of the project. Linus's talk was not referring to tracking files in the Git context, but was contrasting the CVS and RCS model with the snapshot-based model used in Git.
4
You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.
– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
41
And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
10
@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
1
@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
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In CVS, history was tracked on a per-file basis. A branch might consist of various files with their own various revisions, each with its own version number. CVS was based on RCS (Revision Control System), which tracked individual files in a similar way.
On the other hand, Git takes snapshots of the state of the whole project. Files are not tracked and versioned independently; a revision in the repository refers to a state of the whole project, not one file.
When Git refers to tracking a file, it means simply that it is to be included in the history of the project. Linus's talk was not referring to tracking files in the Git context, but was contrasting the CVS and RCS model with the snapshot-based model used in Git.
In CVS, history was tracked on a per-file basis. A branch might consist of various files with their own various revisions, each with its own version number. CVS was based on RCS (Revision Control System), which tracked individual files in a similar way.
On the other hand, Git takes snapshots of the state of the whole project. Files are not tracked and versioned independently; a revision in the repository refers to a state of the whole project, not one file.
When Git refers to tracking a file, it means simply that it is to be included in the history of the project. Linus's talk was not referring to tracking files in the Git context, but was contrasting the CVS and RCS model with the snapshot-based model used in Git.
edited Apr 10 at 19:20
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You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.
– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
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And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
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@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
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@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
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4
You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.
– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
41
And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
10
@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
1
@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
4
4
You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like
$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
You could add that this is why in CVS and Subversion, you can use tags like
$Id$
in a file. The same does not work in git, because the design is different.– gerrit
Apr 10 at 8:01
41
41
And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
And content is not bound to a file as you would expect. Try moving 80% of the code of one file to another. Git automatically detects a file move + 20% change, even when you just moved code around in existing files.
– allo
Apr 10 at 12:55
10
10
@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
@allo As a side-effect of that, git can do one thing the others can't: when two files are merged and you use "git blame -C", git can look down both histories. In file-based tracking, you have to pick which of the original files is the real original, and the other lines all appear brand-new.
– Izkata
Apr 10 at 21:05
1
1
@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
@allo, Izkata - And it's the querying entity that works all this out by analysing the repo contents at query time (commit histories and differences between referenced trees and blobs), rather than requiring the committing entity and its human user to correctly specify or synthesise this information at commit time - nor the repo tool developer to design & implement this capability and the corresponding metadata schema before the tool is deployed. Torvalds argued that such analysis will only get better over time, and all history of every git repo since day one will benefit.
– Jeremy
Apr 11 at 12:47
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I agree with brian m. carlson's answer: Linus is indeed distinguishing, at least in part, between file-oriented and commit-oriented version control systems. But I think there is more to it than that.
In my book, which is stalled and might never get finished, I tried to come up with a taxonomy for version control systems. In my taxonomy the term for what we're interested here is the atomicity of the version control system. See what is currently page 22. When a VCS has file-level atomicity, there is in fact a history for each file. The VCS must remember the name of the file and what occurred to it at each point.
Git doesn't do that. Git has only a history of commits—the commit is its unit of atomicity, and the history is the set of commits in the repository. What a commit remembers is the data—a whole tree-full of file names and the contents that go with each of those files—plus some metadata: for instance, who made the commit, when, and why, and the internal Git hash ID of the commit's parent commit. (It is this parent, and the directed acycling graph formed by reading all commits and their parents, that is the history in a repository.)
Note that a VCS can be commit-oriented, yet still store data file-by-file. That's an implementation detail, though sometimes an important one, and Git does not do that either. Instead, each commit records a tree, with the tree object encoding file names, modes (i.e., is this file executable or not?), and a pointer to the actual file content. The content itself is stored independently, in a blob object. Like a commit object, a blob gets a hash ID that is unique to its content—but unlike a commit, which can only appear once, the blob can appear in many commits. So the underlying file content in Git is stored directly as a blob, and then indirectly in a tree object whose hash ID is recorded (directly or indirectly) in the commit object.
When you ask Git to show you a file's history using:
git log [--follow] [starting-point] [--] path/to/file
what Git is really doing is walking the commit history, which is the only history Git has, but not showing you any of these commits unless:
- the commit is a non-merge commit, and
- the parent of that commit also has the file, but the content in the parent differs, or the parent of the commit doesn't have the file at all
(but some of these conditions can be modified via additional git log
options, and there's a very difficult to describe side effect called History Simplification that makes Git omit some commits from the history walk entirely). The file history you see here does not exactly exist in the repository, in some sense: instead, it's just a synthetic subset of the real history. You'll get a different "file history" if you use different git log
options!
Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
add a comment |
I agree with brian m. carlson's answer: Linus is indeed distinguishing, at least in part, between file-oriented and commit-oriented version control systems. But I think there is more to it than that.
In my book, which is stalled and might never get finished, I tried to come up with a taxonomy for version control systems. In my taxonomy the term for what we're interested here is the atomicity of the version control system. See what is currently page 22. When a VCS has file-level atomicity, there is in fact a history for each file. The VCS must remember the name of the file and what occurred to it at each point.
Git doesn't do that. Git has only a history of commits—the commit is its unit of atomicity, and the history is the set of commits in the repository. What a commit remembers is the data—a whole tree-full of file names and the contents that go with each of those files—plus some metadata: for instance, who made the commit, when, and why, and the internal Git hash ID of the commit's parent commit. (It is this parent, and the directed acycling graph formed by reading all commits and their parents, that is the history in a repository.)
Note that a VCS can be commit-oriented, yet still store data file-by-file. That's an implementation detail, though sometimes an important one, and Git does not do that either. Instead, each commit records a tree, with the tree object encoding file names, modes (i.e., is this file executable or not?), and a pointer to the actual file content. The content itself is stored independently, in a blob object. Like a commit object, a blob gets a hash ID that is unique to its content—but unlike a commit, which can only appear once, the blob can appear in many commits. So the underlying file content in Git is stored directly as a blob, and then indirectly in a tree object whose hash ID is recorded (directly or indirectly) in the commit object.
When you ask Git to show you a file's history using:
git log [--follow] [starting-point] [--] path/to/file
what Git is really doing is walking the commit history, which is the only history Git has, but not showing you any of these commits unless:
- the commit is a non-merge commit, and
- the parent of that commit also has the file, but the content in the parent differs, or the parent of the commit doesn't have the file at all
(but some of these conditions can be modified via additional git log
options, and there's a very difficult to describe side effect called History Simplification that makes Git omit some commits from the history walk entirely). The file history you see here does not exactly exist in the repository, in some sense: instead, it's just a synthetic subset of the real history. You'll get a different "file history" if you use different git log
options!
Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
add a comment |
I agree with brian m. carlson's answer: Linus is indeed distinguishing, at least in part, between file-oriented and commit-oriented version control systems. But I think there is more to it than that.
In my book, which is stalled and might never get finished, I tried to come up with a taxonomy for version control systems. In my taxonomy the term for what we're interested here is the atomicity of the version control system. See what is currently page 22. When a VCS has file-level atomicity, there is in fact a history for each file. The VCS must remember the name of the file and what occurred to it at each point.
Git doesn't do that. Git has only a history of commits—the commit is its unit of atomicity, and the history is the set of commits in the repository. What a commit remembers is the data—a whole tree-full of file names and the contents that go with each of those files—plus some metadata: for instance, who made the commit, when, and why, and the internal Git hash ID of the commit's parent commit. (It is this parent, and the directed acycling graph formed by reading all commits and their parents, that is the history in a repository.)
Note that a VCS can be commit-oriented, yet still store data file-by-file. That's an implementation detail, though sometimes an important one, and Git does not do that either. Instead, each commit records a tree, with the tree object encoding file names, modes (i.e., is this file executable or not?), and a pointer to the actual file content. The content itself is stored independently, in a blob object. Like a commit object, a blob gets a hash ID that is unique to its content—but unlike a commit, which can only appear once, the blob can appear in many commits. So the underlying file content in Git is stored directly as a blob, and then indirectly in a tree object whose hash ID is recorded (directly or indirectly) in the commit object.
When you ask Git to show you a file's history using:
git log [--follow] [starting-point] [--] path/to/file
what Git is really doing is walking the commit history, which is the only history Git has, but not showing you any of these commits unless:
- the commit is a non-merge commit, and
- the parent of that commit also has the file, but the content in the parent differs, or the parent of the commit doesn't have the file at all
(but some of these conditions can be modified via additional git log
options, and there's a very difficult to describe side effect called History Simplification that makes Git omit some commits from the history walk entirely). The file history you see here does not exactly exist in the repository, in some sense: instead, it's just a synthetic subset of the real history. You'll get a different "file history" if you use different git log
options!
I agree with brian m. carlson's answer: Linus is indeed distinguishing, at least in part, between file-oriented and commit-oriented version control systems. But I think there is more to it than that.
In my book, which is stalled and might never get finished, I tried to come up with a taxonomy for version control systems. In my taxonomy the term for what we're interested here is the atomicity of the version control system. See what is currently page 22. When a VCS has file-level atomicity, there is in fact a history for each file. The VCS must remember the name of the file and what occurred to it at each point.
Git doesn't do that. Git has only a history of commits—the commit is its unit of atomicity, and the history is the set of commits in the repository. What a commit remembers is the data—a whole tree-full of file names and the contents that go with each of those files—plus some metadata: for instance, who made the commit, when, and why, and the internal Git hash ID of the commit's parent commit. (It is this parent, and the directed acycling graph formed by reading all commits and their parents, that is the history in a repository.)
Note that a VCS can be commit-oriented, yet still store data file-by-file. That's an implementation detail, though sometimes an important one, and Git does not do that either. Instead, each commit records a tree, with the tree object encoding file names, modes (i.e., is this file executable or not?), and a pointer to the actual file content. The content itself is stored independently, in a blob object. Like a commit object, a blob gets a hash ID that is unique to its content—but unlike a commit, which can only appear once, the blob can appear in many commits. So the underlying file content in Git is stored directly as a blob, and then indirectly in a tree object whose hash ID is recorded (directly or indirectly) in the commit object.
When you ask Git to show you a file's history using:
git log [--follow] [starting-point] [--] path/to/file
what Git is really doing is walking the commit history, which is the only history Git has, but not showing you any of these commits unless:
- the commit is a non-merge commit, and
- the parent of that commit also has the file, but the content in the parent differs, or the parent of the commit doesn't have the file at all
(but some of these conditions can be modified via additional git log
options, and there's a very difficult to describe side effect called History Simplification that makes Git omit some commits from the history walk entirely). The file history you see here does not exactly exist in the repository, in some sense: instead, it's just a synthetic subset of the real history. You'll get a different "file history" if you use different git log
options!
edited Apr 10 at 15:29
Tim Castelijns
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Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
add a comment |
Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
Another thing to add is this allows Git to do things like shallow clones. It just needs to retrieve the head commit and all the blobs it refers to. It doesn't need to recreate files by applying change sets.
– Wes Toleman
Apr 10 at 3:42
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@WesToleman: it definitely makes that easier. Mercurial stores deltas, with occasional resets, and while the Mercurial folks intend to add shallow clones there (which is possible due to the "reset" idea), they haven't actually done it yet (because it's more of a technical challenge).
– torek
Apr 10 at 5:32
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
@torek I have a doubt regarding your description about Git answering a file history request but I think it deserves its own proper question: stackoverflow.com/questions/55616349/…
– Simón Ramírez Amaya
Apr 10 at 15:34
add a comment |
The confusing bit is here:
Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content.
Git often uses 160 bit hashes in place of objects in its own repo. A tree of files is basically a list of names and hashes associated with the content of each (plus some metadata).
But the 160 bit hash uniquely identifies the content (within the universe of the git database). So a tree with hashes as content includes the content in its state.
If you change the state of the content of a file, its hash changes. But if its hash changes, the hash associated with the file name's content also changes. Which in turn changes the hash of the "directory tree".
When a git database stores a directory tree, that directory tree implies and includes all of the content of all of the subdirectories and all of the files in it.
It is organized in a tree structure with (immutable, reusable) pointers to blobs or other trees, but logically it is a single snapshot of the entire content of the entire tree. The representation in the git database isn't the flat data contents, but logically it is all of its data and nothing else.
If you serialized the tree to a filesystem, deleted all .git folders, and told git to add the tree back into its database, you'd end up with adding nothing to the database -- the element would already be there.
It may help to think of git's hashes as a reference counted pointer to immutable data.
If you built an application around that, a document is a bunch of pages, which have layers, which have groups, which have objects.
When you want to change an object, you have to create a completely new group for it. If you want to change a group, you have to create a new layer, which needs a new page, which needs a new document.
Every time you change a single object, it spawns a new document. The old document continues to exist. The new and old document share most of their content -- they have the same pages (except 1). That one page has the same layers (except 1). That layer has the same groups (except 1). That group has the same objects (except 1).
And by same, I mean logically a copy, but implementation-wise it is just another reference counted pointer to the same immutable object.
A git repo is a lot like that.
This means that a given git changeset contains its commit message (as a hash code), it contains its work tree, and it contains its parent changes.
Those parent changes contain their parent changes, all the way back.
The part of the git repo that contains history is that chain of changes. That chain of changes it at a level above the "directory" tree -- from a "directory" tree, you cannot uniquely get to a change set and the chain of changes.
To find out what happens to a file, you start with that file in a changeset. That changeset has a history. Often in that history, the same named file exists, sometimes with the same content. If the content is the same, there was no change to the file. If it is different, there is a change, and work needs to be done to work out exactly what.
Sometimes the file is gone; but, the "directory" tree might have another file with the same content (same hash code), so we can track it that way (note; this is why you want a commit-to-move a file separate from a commit-to-edit). Or the same file name, and after checking the file is similar enough.
So git can patchwork together a "file history".
But this file history comes from efficient parsing of the "entire changeset", not from a link from one version of the file to another.
add a comment |
The confusing bit is here:
Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content.
Git often uses 160 bit hashes in place of objects in its own repo. A tree of files is basically a list of names and hashes associated with the content of each (plus some metadata).
But the 160 bit hash uniquely identifies the content (within the universe of the git database). So a tree with hashes as content includes the content in its state.
If you change the state of the content of a file, its hash changes. But if its hash changes, the hash associated with the file name's content also changes. Which in turn changes the hash of the "directory tree".
When a git database stores a directory tree, that directory tree implies and includes all of the content of all of the subdirectories and all of the files in it.
It is organized in a tree structure with (immutable, reusable) pointers to blobs or other trees, but logically it is a single snapshot of the entire content of the entire tree. The representation in the git database isn't the flat data contents, but logically it is all of its data and nothing else.
If you serialized the tree to a filesystem, deleted all .git folders, and told git to add the tree back into its database, you'd end up with adding nothing to the database -- the element would already be there.
It may help to think of git's hashes as a reference counted pointer to immutable data.
If you built an application around that, a document is a bunch of pages, which have layers, which have groups, which have objects.
When you want to change an object, you have to create a completely new group for it. If you want to change a group, you have to create a new layer, which needs a new page, which needs a new document.
Every time you change a single object, it spawns a new document. The old document continues to exist. The new and old document share most of their content -- they have the same pages (except 1). That one page has the same layers (except 1). That layer has the same groups (except 1). That group has the same objects (except 1).
And by same, I mean logically a copy, but implementation-wise it is just another reference counted pointer to the same immutable object.
A git repo is a lot like that.
This means that a given git changeset contains its commit message (as a hash code), it contains its work tree, and it contains its parent changes.
Those parent changes contain their parent changes, all the way back.
The part of the git repo that contains history is that chain of changes. That chain of changes it at a level above the "directory" tree -- from a "directory" tree, you cannot uniquely get to a change set and the chain of changes.
To find out what happens to a file, you start with that file in a changeset. That changeset has a history. Often in that history, the same named file exists, sometimes with the same content. If the content is the same, there was no change to the file. If it is different, there is a change, and work needs to be done to work out exactly what.
Sometimes the file is gone; but, the "directory" tree might have another file with the same content (same hash code), so we can track it that way (note; this is why you want a commit-to-move a file separate from a commit-to-edit). Or the same file name, and after checking the file is similar enough.
So git can patchwork together a "file history".
But this file history comes from efficient parsing of the "entire changeset", not from a link from one version of the file to another.
add a comment |
The confusing bit is here:
Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content.
Git often uses 160 bit hashes in place of objects in its own repo. A tree of files is basically a list of names and hashes associated with the content of each (plus some metadata).
But the 160 bit hash uniquely identifies the content (within the universe of the git database). So a tree with hashes as content includes the content in its state.
If you change the state of the content of a file, its hash changes. But if its hash changes, the hash associated with the file name's content also changes. Which in turn changes the hash of the "directory tree".
When a git database stores a directory tree, that directory tree implies and includes all of the content of all of the subdirectories and all of the files in it.
It is organized in a tree structure with (immutable, reusable) pointers to blobs or other trees, but logically it is a single snapshot of the entire content of the entire tree. The representation in the git database isn't the flat data contents, but logically it is all of its data and nothing else.
If you serialized the tree to a filesystem, deleted all .git folders, and told git to add the tree back into its database, you'd end up with adding nothing to the database -- the element would already be there.
It may help to think of git's hashes as a reference counted pointer to immutable data.
If you built an application around that, a document is a bunch of pages, which have layers, which have groups, which have objects.
When you want to change an object, you have to create a completely new group for it. If you want to change a group, you have to create a new layer, which needs a new page, which needs a new document.
Every time you change a single object, it spawns a new document. The old document continues to exist. The new and old document share most of their content -- they have the same pages (except 1). That one page has the same layers (except 1). That layer has the same groups (except 1). That group has the same objects (except 1).
And by same, I mean logically a copy, but implementation-wise it is just another reference counted pointer to the same immutable object.
A git repo is a lot like that.
This means that a given git changeset contains its commit message (as a hash code), it contains its work tree, and it contains its parent changes.
Those parent changes contain their parent changes, all the way back.
The part of the git repo that contains history is that chain of changes. That chain of changes it at a level above the "directory" tree -- from a "directory" tree, you cannot uniquely get to a change set and the chain of changes.
To find out what happens to a file, you start with that file in a changeset. That changeset has a history. Often in that history, the same named file exists, sometimes with the same content. If the content is the same, there was no change to the file. If it is different, there is a change, and work needs to be done to work out exactly what.
Sometimes the file is gone; but, the "directory" tree might have another file with the same content (same hash code), so we can track it that way (note; this is why you want a commit-to-move a file separate from a commit-to-edit). Or the same file name, and after checking the file is similar enough.
So git can patchwork together a "file history".
But this file history comes from efficient parsing of the "entire changeset", not from a link from one version of the file to another.
The confusing bit is here:
Git never ever sees those as individual files. Git thinks everything as the full content.
Git often uses 160 bit hashes in place of objects in its own repo. A tree of files is basically a list of names and hashes associated with the content of each (plus some metadata).
But the 160 bit hash uniquely identifies the content (within the universe of the git database). So a tree with hashes as content includes the content in its state.
If you change the state of the content of a file, its hash changes. But if its hash changes, the hash associated with the file name's content also changes. Which in turn changes the hash of the "directory tree".
When a git database stores a directory tree, that directory tree implies and includes all of the content of all of the subdirectories and all of the files in it.
It is organized in a tree structure with (immutable, reusable) pointers to blobs or other trees, but logically it is a single snapshot of the entire content of the entire tree. The representation in the git database isn't the flat data contents, but logically it is all of its data and nothing else.
If you serialized the tree to a filesystem, deleted all .git folders, and told git to add the tree back into its database, you'd end up with adding nothing to the database -- the element would already be there.
It may help to think of git's hashes as a reference counted pointer to immutable data.
If you built an application around that, a document is a bunch of pages, which have layers, which have groups, which have objects.
When you want to change an object, you have to create a completely new group for it. If you want to change a group, you have to create a new layer, which needs a new page, which needs a new document.
Every time you change a single object, it spawns a new document. The old document continues to exist. The new and old document share most of their content -- they have the same pages (except 1). That one page has the same layers (except 1). That layer has the same groups (except 1). That group has the same objects (except 1).
And by same, I mean logically a copy, but implementation-wise it is just another reference counted pointer to the same immutable object.
A git repo is a lot like that.
This means that a given git changeset contains its commit message (as a hash code), it contains its work tree, and it contains its parent changes.
Those parent changes contain their parent changes, all the way back.
The part of the git repo that contains history is that chain of changes. That chain of changes it at a level above the "directory" tree -- from a "directory" tree, you cannot uniquely get to a change set and the chain of changes.
To find out what happens to a file, you start with that file in a changeset. That changeset has a history. Often in that history, the same named file exists, sometimes with the same content. If the content is the same, there was no change to the file. If it is different, there is a change, and work needs to be done to work out exactly what.
Sometimes the file is gone; but, the "directory" tree might have another file with the same content (same hash code), so we can track it that way (note; this is why you want a commit-to-move a file separate from a commit-to-edit). Or the same file name, and after checking the file is similar enough.
So git can patchwork together a "file history".
But this file history comes from efficient parsing of the "entire changeset", not from a link from one version of the file to another.
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"git does not track files" basically means that git's commits consist of a file tree snapshot connecting a path in the tree to a "blob" and a commit graph tracking the history of commits. Everything else is reconstructed on-the-fly by commands like "git log" and "git blame". This reconstruction can be told via various options how hard it should look for file-based changes. The default heuristics can determine when a blob changes place in the file tree without change, or when a file is associated with a different blob than before. The compression mechanisms Git uses don't care a whole lot about blob/file boundaries. If the content is somewhere already, this will keep the repository growth small without associating the various blobs.
Now that is the repository. Git also has a working tree, and in this working tree there are tracked and untracked files. Only the tracked files are recorded in the index (staging area? cache?) and only what is tracked there makes it into the repository.
The index is file-oriented and there are some file-oriented commands for manipulating it. But what ends up in the repository is just commits in the form of file tree snapshots and the associated blob data and the commit's ancestors.
Since Git does not track file histories and renames and its efficiency does not depend on them, sometimes you have to try a few times with different options until Git produces the history/diffs/blames you are interested in for non-trivial histories.
That's different with systems like Subversion which record rather than reconstruct histories. If it's not on record, you don't get to hear about it.
I actually built a differential installer at one time that just compared release trees by checking them into Git and then producing a script duplicating their effect. Since sometimes whole trees were moved, this produced much smaller differential installers than overwriting/deleting everything would have produced.
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"git does not track files" basically means that git's commits consist of a file tree snapshot connecting a path in the tree to a "blob" and a commit graph tracking the history of commits. Everything else is reconstructed on-the-fly by commands like "git log" and "git blame". This reconstruction can be told via various options how hard it should look for file-based changes. The default heuristics can determine when a blob changes place in the file tree without change, or when a file is associated with a different blob than before. The compression mechanisms Git uses don't care a whole lot about blob/file boundaries. If the content is somewhere already, this will keep the repository growth small without associating the various blobs.
Now that is the repository. Git also has a working tree, and in this working tree there are tracked and untracked files. Only the tracked files are recorded in the index (staging area? cache?) and only what is tracked there makes it into the repository.
The index is file-oriented and there are some file-oriented commands for manipulating it. But what ends up in the repository is just commits in the form of file tree snapshots and the associated blob data and the commit's ancestors.
Since Git does not track file histories and renames and its efficiency does not depend on them, sometimes you have to try a few times with different options until Git produces the history/diffs/blames you are interested in for non-trivial histories.
That's different with systems like Subversion which record rather than reconstruct histories. If it's not on record, you don't get to hear about it.
I actually built a differential installer at one time that just compared release trees by checking them into Git and then producing a script duplicating their effect. Since sometimes whole trees were moved, this produced much smaller differential installers than overwriting/deleting everything would have produced.
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"git does not track files" basically means that git's commits consist of a file tree snapshot connecting a path in the tree to a "blob" and a commit graph tracking the history of commits. Everything else is reconstructed on-the-fly by commands like "git log" and "git blame". This reconstruction can be told via various options how hard it should look for file-based changes. The default heuristics can determine when a blob changes place in the file tree without change, or when a file is associated with a different blob than before. The compression mechanisms Git uses don't care a whole lot about blob/file boundaries. If the content is somewhere already, this will keep the repository growth small without associating the various blobs.
Now that is the repository. Git also has a working tree, and in this working tree there are tracked and untracked files. Only the tracked files are recorded in the index (staging area? cache?) and only what is tracked there makes it into the repository.
The index is file-oriented and there are some file-oriented commands for manipulating it. But what ends up in the repository is just commits in the form of file tree snapshots and the associated blob data and the commit's ancestors.
Since Git does not track file histories and renames and its efficiency does not depend on them, sometimes you have to try a few times with different options until Git produces the history/diffs/blames you are interested in for non-trivial histories.
That's different with systems like Subversion which record rather than reconstruct histories. If it's not on record, you don't get to hear about it.
I actually built a differential installer at one time that just compared release trees by checking them into Git and then producing a script duplicating their effect. Since sometimes whole trees were moved, this produced much smaller differential installers than overwriting/deleting everything would have produced.
"git does not track files" basically means that git's commits consist of a file tree snapshot connecting a path in the tree to a "blob" and a commit graph tracking the history of commits. Everything else is reconstructed on-the-fly by commands like "git log" and "git blame". This reconstruction can be told via various options how hard it should look for file-based changes. The default heuristics can determine when a blob changes place in the file tree without change, or when a file is associated with a different blob than before. The compression mechanisms Git uses don't care a whole lot about blob/file boundaries. If the content is somewhere already, this will keep the repository growth small without associating the various blobs.
Now that is the repository. Git also has a working tree, and in this working tree there are tracked and untracked files. Only the tracked files are recorded in the index (staging area? cache?) and only what is tracked there makes it into the repository.
The index is file-oriented and there are some file-oriented commands for manipulating it. But what ends up in the repository is just commits in the form of file tree snapshots and the associated blob data and the commit's ancestors.
Since Git does not track file histories and renames and its efficiency does not depend on them, sometimes you have to try a few times with different options until Git produces the history/diffs/blames you are interested in for non-trivial histories.
That's different with systems like Subversion which record rather than reconstruct histories. If it's not on record, you don't get to hear about it.
I actually built a differential installer at one time that just compared release trees by checking them into Git and then producing a script duplicating their effect. Since sometimes whole trees were moved, this produced much smaller differential installers than overwriting/deleting everything would have produced.
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Git doesn't track a file directly, but tracks snapshots of the repository, and these snapshots happen to consist of files.
Here's a way to look at it.
In other version control systems (SVN, Rational ClearCase), you can right click on a file and get its change history.
In Git, there is no direct command that does this. See this question. You'll be surprised at how many different answers there are. There is no one simple answer because Git doesn't simply track a file, not in the way that SVN or ClearCase does it.
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I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them usegit log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (alsogit log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)
– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
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Git doesn't track a file directly, but tracks snapshots of the repository, and these snapshots happen to consist of files.
Here's a way to look at it.
In other version control systems (SVN, Rational ClearCase), you can right click on a file and get its change history.
In Git, there is no direct command that does this. See this question. You'll be surprised at how many different answers there are. There is no one simple answer because Git doesn't simply track a file, not in the way that SVN or ClearCase does it.
New contributor
5
I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them usegit log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (alsogit log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)
– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
add a comment |
Git doesn't track a file directly, but tracks snapshots of the repository, and these snapshots happen to consist of files.
Here's a way to look at it.
In other version control systems (SVN, Rational ClearCase), you can right click on a file and get its change history.
In Git, there is no direct command that does this. See this question. You'll be surprised at how many different answers there are. There is no one simple answer because Git doesn't simply track a file, not in the way that SVN or ClearCase does it.
New contributor
Git doesn't track a file directly, but tracks snapshots of the repository, and these snapshots happen to consist of files.
Here's a way to look at it.
In other version control systems (SVN, Rational ClearCase), you can right click on a file and get its change history.
In Git, there is no direct command that does this. See this question. You'll be surprised at how many different answers there are. There is no one simple answer because Git doesn't simply track a file, not in the way that SVN or ClearCase does it.
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I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them usegit log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (alsogit log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)
– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
add a comment |
5
I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them usegit log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (alsogit log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)
– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
5
5
I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I think I get what you're trying to say, but "In Git, there is no direct command that does this" is directly contradicted by the answers to the question you've linked to. While it's true that versioning happens at the level of the whole repository, there are typically loads of ways to achieve anything in Git, so having multiple commands to show a file's history isn't evidence of much.
– Joe Lee-Moyet
Apr 10 at 9:55
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them use
git log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (also git log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
I skimmed the first few answers of the question you linked and all of them use
git log
or some program built on top of that (or some alias that does the same thing). But even if there were lots of different ways, as Joe says that's also true for showing branch history. (also git log -p <file>
is built in and does exactly that)– Voo
Apr 10 at 11:21
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
Are you sure that SVN internally stores changes per file? I haven't used it in some time already, but I vaguely remember having files named like version ids, rather than reflection of project file structure.
– Artur Biesiadowski
Apr 11 at 9:36
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reddit.com/r/git/comments/5xmrkv/what_is_a_snapshot_in_git - "For where you are at the moment, I suspect what's more important to realize is that there's a difference between how Git presents files to users and how it deals with them internally. As presented to the user, a snapshot contains complete files, not merely diffs. But internally, yes, Git uses diffs to generate packfiles that efficiently store revisions." (This is sharp contrast to, eg. Subversion.)
– user2864740
Apr 9 at 23:47
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Git doesn't track files, it tracks changesets. Most version control systems track files. As an example of how / why this can matter, try to check in an empty directory to git (spolier: you can't, because that's an "empty" changeset).
– Elliott Frisch
Apr 9 at 23:52
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@ElliottFrisch That doesn't sound right. Your description is closer to what e.g. darcs does. Git stores snapshots, not changesets.
– melpomene
Apr 10 at 0:02
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I think he means Git does not track a file directly. A file includes its name and content. Git tracks contents as blobs. Given a blob only, you can't tell what its corresponding file name is. It could be the content of multiple files with different names under different paths. The bindings between a path name and a blob are described in a tree object.
– ElpieKay
Apr 10 at 0:20
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Related: Randal Schwartz' followup to Linus' talk (also a Google Tech talk) - "... What Git is really all about ... Linus said what Git is NOT".
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 10 at 2:07