Why are fuel tanks located in wings?
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Passenger aircraft have fuel tanks in the wings. Why?
What are the advantages and disadvantages of this location ?
examples of disadvantages I would suspect:
- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
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Passenger aircraft have fuel tanks in the wings. Why?
What are the advantages and disadvantages of this location ?
examples of disadvantages I would suspect:
- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
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Keeping fuel in the wings actually helps to maintain their structural integrity, see aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42613/…
– DeepSpace
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On the ground, the aircraft rests on the wheels. In flight, it rests on the wings - so weight in the wings reduces structural loading, not increases it.
– Therac
yesterday
@Therac: Following your explanation, I would see that it does not add structural load? But how would weight "reduce" structural load?
– summerrain
yesterday
@summerrain By balancing out the fuselage, which is a big central load. See A340 vs A330. Of course, this implies total weight is equal or within some limit.
– Therac
yesterday
@summerrain it doesn’t reduce it per se, it reduces the need for an even high structural (bending) load that would come from storing it in the main body.
– Notts90
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Passenger aircraft have fuel tanks in the wings. Why?
What are the advantages and disadvantages of this location ?
examples of disadvantages I would suspect:
- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
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Passenger aircraft have fuel tanks in the wings. Why?
What are the advantages and disadvantages of this location ?
examples of disadvantages I would suspect:
- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
aircraft-design wing fuel-tanks aircraft-structures fuel-systems
aircraft-design wing fuel-tanks aircraft-structures fuel-systems
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Keeping fuel in the wings actually helps to maintain their structural integrity, see aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42613/…
– DeepSpace
yesterday
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On the ground, the aircraft rests on the wheels. In flight, it rests on the wings - so weight in the wings reduces structural loading, not increases it.
– Therac
yesterday
@Therac: Following your explanation, I would see that it does not add structural load? But how would weight "reduce" structural load?
– summerrain
yesterday
@summerrain By balancing out the fuselage, which is a big central load. See A340 vs A330. Of course, this implies total weight is equal or within some limit.
– Therac
yesterday
@summerrain it doesn’t reduce it per se, it reduces the need for an even high structural (bending) load that would come from storing it in the main body.
– Notts90
23 hours ago
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Keeping fuel in the wings actually helps to maintain their structural integrity, see aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42613/…
– DeepSpace
yesterday
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On the ground, the aircraft rests on the wheels. In flight, it rests on the wings - so weight in the wings reduces structural loading, not increases it.
– Therac
yesterday
@Therac: Following your explanation, I would see that it does not add structural load? But how would weight "reduce" structural load?
– summerrain
yesterday
@summerrain By balancing out the fuselage, which is a big central load. See A340 vs A330. Of course, this implies total weight is equal or within some limit.
– Therac
yesterday
@summerrain it doesn’t reduce it per se, it reduces the need for an even high structural (bending) load that would come from storing it in the main body.
– Notts90
23 hours ago
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Keeping fuel in the wings actually helps to maintain their structural integrity, see aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42613/…
– DeepSpace
yesterday
Keeping fuel in the wings actually helps to maintain their structural integrity, see aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42613/…
– DeepSpace
yesterday
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On the ground, the aircraft rests on the wheels. In flight, it rests on the wings - so weight in the wings reduces structural loading, not increases it.
– Therac
yesterday
On the ground, the aircraft rests on the wheels. In flight, it rests on the wings - so weight in the wings reduces structural loading, not increases it.
– Therac
yesterday
@Therac: Following your explanation, I would see that it does not add structural load? But how would weight "reduce" structural load?
– summerrain
yesterday
@Therac: Following your explanation, I would see that it does not add structural load? But how would weight "reduce" structural load?
– summerrain
yesterday
@summerrain By balancing out the fuselage, which is a big central load. See A340 vs A330. Of course, this implies total weight is equal or within some limit.
– Therac
yesterday
@summerrain By balancing out the fuselage, which is a big central load. See A340 vs A330. Of course, this implies total weight is equal or within some limit.
– Therac
yesterday
@summerrain it doesn’t reduce it per se, it reduces the need for an even high structural (bending) load that would come from storing it in the main body.
– Notts90
23 hours ago
@summerrain it doesn’t reduce it per se, it reduces the need for an even high structural (bending) load that would come from storing it in the main body.
– Notts90
23 hours ago
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Several advantages:
- Wing structures are hollow and voluminous in order to provide structural rigidity against flutter and carry flight loads. This provides the space needed to store fuel.
- On a conventional aircraft, placing fuel tanks in the wings places the fuel mass very close to, or on, the center of lift. This dramatically reduces Cg shift during flight and reduces the size and weight of the tailplane to maintain stable flight.
- In the event of a crash landing, having the fuel in the wings keeps it away from the cabin and the occupants, reducing risks of cabin fires.
- The weight of the fuel reduces the loading moment on the wing roots, reducing the weight of the structure needed to support the aircraft during flight.
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I see what you're saying, but there's something you're overlooking in your logic. You're looking at an airplane sitting on the ground, where the wheels are under the fuselage and the wings are dead weight that creates strain on the structure.
Think about one in flight. Now all the lift is coming from the wings, imagine the airplane suspended by a couple dozen (billion) cables spread around the wing surfaces. Now the fuselage is dead weight and the strain in the structure is from carrying the fuselage.
So when you add weight to the wings evenly, it adds practically zero structural load for the wings. What's being lifted is inside the source of the lift. So from a structural load perspective, it's a wash: it doesn't matter.
Whereas if you add more tanks in the fuselage, that's fine on the ground, but it adds huge stresses to the wings in flight, effectively reducing practical cargo capacity.
The strain on wings from sitting on the ground is much less worrisome to designers than the strains in flight.
See also "Zero Fuel Weight".
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added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
As a result of the effects of lift (and the deceasing need for it as the plane lightens) the reverse is actually true see here
higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
As opposed to higher risk of catastrophic damage to the cabin in the case of in-flight fuel ignition?
Assuming a non-explosive ignition having the fuel in the wings means you can take action to dump the fuel. If you have a fire begin in the main fuselage however you've got a higher chance of the fire incapacitating the crew before they can take steps. Or damage occuring to the avionics, the pressure cabin etc.
maybe higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing ?
Wing tips are one of the locations on a plane that is more prone to lightning strikes - and the potential for fuel fires is there but steps are taken to counter this and in the vast majority of cases lightning does very little damage
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Quite simply: there's a lot of empty space in those wings, and there's a lot of empty space needed for fuel.
Creating space elsewhere for fuel would make the entire aircraft larger and heavier, so makes little sense.
And it's not just the wings, many aircraft carry fuel in the vertical stabiliser as well.
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In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
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@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
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@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
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@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
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Along with the other answers, I'll point out the cases where an aircraft fuel tank exploded, the center tank, which is in the fuselage, was implicated. There are two reasons:
First, a fuselage tank is located lower than the engines and requires pumps to raise the fuel. Electrical pump failures have caused explosions. This also means that a pump failure results in unusable fuel, whereas wing tanks can naturally feed the engines via gravity.
Second, fuselage tanks are closer to sources of heat. This was a cause of the TWA flight 800 accident, where heat from nearby air conditioning equipment lead to a flammable vapor in the fuel tanks. In contrast, wing tanks are naturally cooled by airflow and are less susceptible to forming such explosive vapors.
Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
– jcaron
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- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
Only when the plane's on the ground. When it's in the air, it decreases the load on the wings because their lift balances the weight.
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
At the rate of one cycle per flight. And the wings already go through a stress cycle once per flight (flexed down when the plane's on the ground and up when it's in the air).
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
The fuel tanks catching fire in flight is catastrophic wherever you put them.
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
When did that last happen? Wikipedia's list of plane crashes suggests LANSA flight 508 in 1971. Such incidents are so rare because fuel tanks have been fitted with inerting systems as recommended after the crash of Pan Am flight 214 in 1963.
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This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
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Because the passengers would drown if you put it in the cabin.
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Several advantages:
- Wing structures are hollow and voluminous in order to provide structural rigidity against flutter and carry flight loads. This provides the space needed to store fuel.
- On a conventional aircraft, placing fuel tanks in the wings places the fuel mass very close to, or on, the center of lift. This dramatically reduces Cg shift during flight and reduces the size and weight of the tailplane to maintain stable flight.
- In the event of a crash landing, having the fuel in the wings keeps it away from the cabin and the occupants, reducing risks of cabin fires.
- The weight of the fuel reduces the loading moment on the wing roots, reducing the weight of the structure needed to support the aircraft during flight.
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Several advantages:
- Wing structures are hollow and voluminous in order to provide structural rigidity against flutter and carry flight loads. This provides the space needed to store fuel.
- On a conventional aircraft, placing fuel tanks in the wings places the fuel mass very close to, or on, the center of lift. This dramatically reduces Cg shift during flight and reduces the size and weight of the tailplane to maintain stable flight.
- In the event of a crash landing, having the fuel in the wings keeps it away from the cabin and the occupants, reducing risks of cabin fires.
- The weight of the fuel reduces the loading moment on the wing roots, reducing the weight of the structure needed to support the aircraft during flight.
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up vote
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Several advantages:
- Wing structures are hollow and voluminous in order to provide structural rigidity against flutter and carry flight loads. This provides the space needed to store fuel.
- On a conventional aircraft, placing fuel tanks in the wings places the fuel mass very close to, or on, the center of lift. This dramatically reduces Cg shift during flight and reduces the size and weight of the tailplane to maintain stable flight.
- In the event of a crash landing, having the fuel in the wings keeps it away from the cabin and the occupants, reducing risks of cabin fires.
- The weight of the fuel reduces the loading moment on the wing roots, reducing the weight of the structure needed to support the aircraft during flight.
Several advantages:
- Wing structures are hollow and voluminous in order to provide structural rigidity against flutter and carry flight loads. This provides the space needed to store fuel.
- On a conventional aircraft, placing fuel tanks in the wings places the fuel mass very close to, or on, the center of lift. This dramatically reduces Cg shift during flight and reduces the size and weight of the tailplane to maintain stable flight.
- In the event of a crash landing, having the fuel in the wings keeps it away from the cabin and the occupants, reducing risks of cabin fires.
- The weight of the fuel reduces the loading moment on the wing roots, reducing the weight of the structure needed to support the aircraft during flight.
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I see what you're saying, but there's something you're overlooking in your logic. You're looking at an airplane sitting on the ground, where the wheels are under the fuselage and the wings are dead weight that creates strain on the structure.
Think about one in flight. Now all the lift is coming from the wings, imagine the airplane suspended by a couple dozen (billion) cables spread around the wing surfaces. Now the fuselage is dead weight and the strain in the structure is from carrying the fuselage.
So when you add weight to the wings evenly, it adds practically zero structural load for the wings. What's being lifted is inside the source of the lift. So from a structural load perspective, it's a wash: it doesn't matter.
Whereas if you add more tanks in the fuselage, that's fine on the ground, but it adds huge stresses to the wings in flight, effectively reducing practical cargo capacity.
The strain on wings from sitting on the ground is much less worrisome to designers than the strains in flight.
See also "Zero Fuel Weight".
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I see what you're saying, but there's something you're overlooking in your logic. You're looking at an airplane sitting on the ground, where the wheels are under the fuselage and the wings are dead weight that creates strain on the structure.
Think about one in flight. Now all the lift is coming from the wings, imagine the airplane suspended by a couple dozen (billion) cables spread around the wing surfaces. Now the fuselage is dead weight and the strain in the structure is from carrying the fuselage.
So when you add weight to the wings evenly, it adds practically zero structural load for the wings. What's being lifted is inside the source of the lift. So from a structural load perspective, it's a wash: it doesn't matter.
Whereas if you add more tanks in the fuselage, that's fine on the ground, but it adds huge stresses to the wings in flight, effectively reducing practical cargo capacity.
The strain on wings from sitting on the ground is much less worrisome to designers than the strains in flight.
See also "Zero Fuel Weight".
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Exactly what I was thinking, but you said it much better!
– Michael Hall
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I see what you're saying, but there's something you're overlooking in your logic. You're looking at an airplane sitting on the ground, where the wheels are under the fuselage and the wings are dead weight that creates strain on the structure.
Think about one in flight. Now all the lift is coming from the wings, imagine the airplane suspended by a couple dozen (billion) cables spread around the wing surfaces. Now the fuselage is dead weight and the strain in the structure is from carrying the fuselage.
So when you add weight to the wings evenly, it adds practically zero structural load for the wings. What's being lifted is inside the source of the lift. So from a structural load perspective, it's a wash: it doesn't matter.
Whereas if you add more tanks in the fuselage, that's fine on the ground, but it adds huge stresses to the wings in flight, effectively reducing practical cargo capacity.
The strain on wings from sitting on the ground is much less worrisome to designers than the strains in flight.
See also "Zero Fuel Weight".
I see what you're saying, but there's something you're overlooking in your logic. You're looking at an airplane sitting on the ground, where the wheels are under the fuselage and the wings are dead weight that creates strain on the structure.
Think about one in flight. Now all the lift is coming from the wings, imagine the airplane suspended by a couple dozen (billion) cables spread around the wing surfaces. Now the fuselage is dead weight and the strain in the structure is from carrying the fuselage.
So when you add weight to the wings evenly, it adds practically zero structural load for the wings. What's being lifted is inside the source of the lift. So from a structural load perspective, it's a wash: it doesn't matter.
Whereas if you add more tanks in the fuselage, that's fine on the ground, but it adds huge stresses to the wings in flight, effectively reducing practical cargo capacity.
The strain on wings from sitting on the ground is much less worrisome to designers than the strains in flight.
See also "Zero Fuel Weight".
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Exactly what I was thinking, but you said it much better!
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added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
As a result of the effects of lift (and the deceasing need for it as the plane lightens) the reverse is actually true see here
higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
As opposed to higher risk of catastrophic damage to the cabin in the case of in-flight fuel ignition?
Assuming a non-explosive ignition having the fuel in the wings means you can take action to dump the fuel. If you have a fire begin in the main fuselage however you've got a higher chance of the fire incapacitating the crew before they can take steps. Or damage occuring to the avionics, the pressure cabin etc.
maybe higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing ?
Wing tips are one of the locations on a plane that is more prone to lightning strikes - and the potential for fuel fires is there but steps are taken to counter this and in the vast majority of cases lightning does very little damage
add a comment |
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added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
As a result of the effects of lift (and the deceasing need for it as the plane lightens) the reverse is actually true see here
higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
As opposed to higher risk of catastrophic damage to the cabin in the case of in-flight fuel ignition?
Assuming a non-explosive ignition having the fuel in the wings means you can take action to dump the fuel. If you have a fire begin in the main fuselage however you've got a higher chance of the fire incapacitating the crew before they can take steps. Or damage occuring to the avionics, the pressure cabin etc.
maybe higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing ?
Wing tips are one of the locations on a plane that is more prone to lightning strikes - and the potential for fuel fires is there but steps are taken to counter this and in the vast majority of cases lightning does very little damage
add a comment |
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up vote
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added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
As a result of the effects of lift (and the deceasing need for it as the plane lightens) the reverse is actually true see here
higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
As opposed to higher risk of catastrophic damage to the cabin in the case of in-flight fuel ignition?
Assuming a non-explosive ignition having the fuel in the wings means you can take action to dump the fuel. If you have a fire begin in the main fuselage however you've got a higher chance of the fire incapacitating the crew before they can take steps. Or damage occuring to the avionics, the pressure cabin etc.
maybe higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing ?
Wing tips are one of the locations on a plane that is more prone to lightning strikes - and the potential for fuel fires is there but steps are taken to counter this and in the vast majority of cases lightning does very little damage
added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
As a result of the effects of lift (and the deceasing need for it as the plane lightens) the reverse is actually true see here
higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
As opposed to higher risk of catastrophic damage to the cabin in the case of in-flight fuel ignition?
Assuming a non-explosive ignition having the fuel in the wings means you can take action to dump the fuel. If you have a fire begin in the main fuselage however you've got a higher chance of the fire incapacitating the crew before they can take steps. Or damage occuring to the avionics, the pressure cabin etc.
maybe higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing ?
Wing tips are one of the locations on a plane that is more prone to lightning strikes - and the potential for fuel fires is there but steps are taken to counter this and in the vast majority of cases lightning does very little damage
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Quite simply: there's a lot of empty space in those wings, and there's a lot of empty space needed for fuel.
Creating space elsewhere for fuel would make the entire aircraft larger and heavier, so makes little sense.
And it's not just the wings, many aircraft carry fuel in the vertical stabiliser as well.
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In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
yesterday
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@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
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@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
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@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
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Quite simply: there's a lot of empty space in those wings, and there's a lot of empty space needed for fuel.
Creating space elsewhere for fuel would make the entire aircraft larger and heavier, so makes little sense.
And it's not just the wings, many aircraft carry fuel in the vertical stabiliser as well.
46
In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
yesterday
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@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
yesterday
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@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
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@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
yesterday
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Quite simply: there's a lot of empty space in those wings, and there's a lot of empty space needed for fuel.
Creating space elsewhere for fuel would make the entire aircraft larger and heavier, so makes little sense.
And it's not just the wings, many aircraft carry fuel in the vertical stabiliser as well.
Quite simply: there's a lot of empty space in those wings, and there's a lot of empty space needed for fuel.
Creating space elsewhere for fuel would make the entire aircraft larger and heavier, so makes little sense.
And it's not just the wings, many aircraft carry fuel in the vertical stabiliser as well.
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In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
yesterday
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@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
yesterday
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@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
yesterday
@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
yesterday
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In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
yesterday
27
@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
yesterday
5
@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
yesterday
@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
yesterday
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In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
yesterday
In other words: Why are fuel tanks located in the wings? Because the passengers wouldn't fit in there. :)
– Tanner Swett
yesterday
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27
@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
yesterday
@TannerSwett Don't give them any ideas...
– pipe
yesterday
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5
@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
yesterday
@pipe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38 ?
– DeepSpace
yesterday
@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
yesterday
@TannerSwett hmm, Ryanair wants to talk with you about that idea.
– jwenting
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Along with the other answers, I'll point out the cases where an aircraft fuel tank exploded, the center tank, which is in the fuselage, was implicated. There are two reasons:
First, a fuselage tank is located lower than the engines and requires pumps to raise the fuel. Electrical pump failures have caused explosions. This also means that a pump failure results in unusable fuel, whereas wing tanks can naturally feed the engines via gravity.
Second, fuselage tanks are closer to sources of heat. This was a cause of the TWA flight 800 accident, where heat from nearby air conditioning equipment lead to a flammable vapor in the fuel tanks. In contrast, wing tanks are naturally cooled by airflow and are less susceptible to forming such explosive vapors.
Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
– jcaron
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Along with the other answers, I'll point out the cases where an aircraft fuel tank exploded, the center tank, which is in the fuselage, was implicated. There are two reasons:
First, a fuselage tank is located lower than the engines and requires pumps to raise the fuel. Electrical pump failures have caused explosions. This also means that a pump failure results in unusable fuel, whereas wing tanks can naturally feed the engines via gravity.
Second, fuselage tanks are closer to sources of heat. This was a cause of the TWA flight 800 accident, where heat from nearby air conditioning equipment lead to a flammable vapor in the fuel tanks. In contrast, wing tanks are naturally cooled by airflow and are less susceptible to forming such explosive vapors.
Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
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Along with the other answers, I'll point out the cases where an aircraft fuel tank exploded, the center tank, which is in the fuselage, was implicated. There are two reasons:
First, a fuselage tank is located lower than the engines and requires pumps to raise the fuel. Electrical pump failures have caused explosions. This also means that a pump failure results in unusable fuel, whereas wing tanks can naturally feed the engines via gravity.
Second, fuselage tanks are closer to sources of heat. This was a cause of the TWA flight 800 accident, where heat from nearby air conditioning equipment lead to a flammable vapor in the fuel tanks. In contrast, wing tanks are naturally cooled by airflow and are less susceptible to forming such explosive vapors.
Along with the other answers, I'll point out the cases where an aircraft fuel tank exploded, the center tank, which is in the fuselage, was implicated. There are two reasons:
First, a fuselage tank is located lower than the engines and requires pumps to raise the fuel. Electrical pump failures have caused explosions. This also means that a pump failure results in unusable fuel, whereas wing tanks can naturally feed the engines via gravity.
Second, fuselage tanks are closer to sources of heat. This was a cause of the TWA flight 800 accident, where heat from nearby air conditioning equipment lead to a flammable vapor in the fuel tanks. In contrast, wing tanks are naturally cooled by airflow and are less susceptible to forming such explosive vapors.
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Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
– jcaron
18 hours ago
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Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
– jcaron
18 hours ago
Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
– jcaron
18 hours ago
Not sure if you meant "that in all the cases ... it was the center tank which was implicated" (which is apparently true), but if so, you could probably make it more explicit.
– jcaron
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- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
Only when the plane's on the ground. When it's in the air, it decreases the load on the wings because their lift balances the weight.
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
At the rate of one cycle per flight. And the wings already go through a stress cycle once per flight (flexed down when the plane's on the ground and up when it's in the air).
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
The fuel tanks catching fire in flight is catastrophic wherever you put them.
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
When did that last happen? Wikipedia's list of plane crashes suggests LANSA flight 508 in 1971. Such incidents are so rare because fuel tanks have been fitted with inerting systems as recommended after the crash of Pan Am flight 214 in 1963.
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This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
– David K
18 hours ago
@DavidK Yes, it looks like I've exaggerated what actually happened. I'll come back and edit when I have time, or you're welcome to propose an edit yourself if you have the time. Thanks for letting me know.
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- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
Only when the plane's on the ground. When it's in the air, it decreases the load on the wings because their lift balances the weight.
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
At the rate of one cycle per flight. And the wings already go through a stress cycle once per flight (flexed down when the plane's on the ground and up when it's in the air).
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
The fuel tanks catching fire in flight is catastrophic wherever you put them.
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
When did that last happen? Wikipedia's list of plane crashes suggests LANSA flight 508 in 1971. Such incidents are so rare because fuel tanks have been fitted with inerting systems as recommended after the crash of Pan Am flight 214 in 1963.
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This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
– David K
18 hours ago
@DavidK Yes, it looks like I've exaggerated what actually happened. I'll come back and edit when I have time, or you're welcome to propose an edit yourself if you have the time. Thanks for letting me know.
– David Richerby
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- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
Only when the plane's on the ground. When it's in the air, it decreases the load on the wings because their lift balances the weight.
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
At the rate of one cycle per flight. And the wings already go through a stress cycle once per flight (flexed down when the plane's on the ground and up when it's in the air).
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
The fuel tanks catching fire in flight is catastrophic wherever you put them.
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
When did that last happen? Wikipedia's list of plane crashes suggests LANSA flight 508 in 1971. Such incidents are so rare because fuel tanks have been fitted with inerting systems as recommended after the crash of Pan Am flight 214 in 1963.
- added weight increases the structural load applied to the wings
Only when the plane's on the ground. When it's in the air, it decreases the load on the wings because their lift balances the weight.
- different gravitational forces and wing-bending between full and empty tanks result in repeating stresses shortening the aircraft life-span
At the rate of one cycle per flight. And the wings already go through a stress cycle once per flight (flexed down when the plane's on the ground and up when it's in the air).
- higher risk of catastrophic damage to wings in case of in-flight fuel ignition
The fuel tanks catching fire in flight is catastrophic wherever you put them.
- higher risk of fire when lightning strikes a wing
When did that last happen? Wikipedia's list of plane crashes suggests LANSA flight 508 in 1971. Such incidents are so rare because fuel tanks have been fitted with inerting systems as recommended after the crash of Pan Am flight 214 in 1963.
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This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
– David K
18 hours ago
@DavidK Yes, it looks like I've exaggerated what actually happened. I'll come back and edit when I have time, or you're welcome to propose an edit yourself if you have the time. Thanks for letting me know.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
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This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
– David K
18 hours ago
@DavidK Yes, it looks like I've exaggerated what actually happened. I'll come back and edit when I have time, or you're welcome to propose an edit yourself if you have the time. Thanks for letting me know.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
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This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
– David K
18 hours ago
This answer seems to imply that inerting systems have been used since sometime shortly after 1963, or at least that inerting systems are responsible for the lack of lightning-induced fire since 1971. The link you provided, however, says inerting systems were not installed for 40 years after the crash of Pan Am 214. Here's an article describing the state of the art in 2004: airspacemag.com/how-things-work/safer-fuel-tanks-5883916
– David K
18 hours ago
@DavidK Yes, it looks like I've exaggerated what actually happened. I'll come back and edit when I have time, or you're welcome to propose an edit yourself if you have the time. Thanks for letting me know.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
@DavidK Yes, it looks like I've exaggerated what actually happened. I'll come back and edit when I have time, or you're welcome to propose an edit yourself if you have the time. Thanks for letting me know.
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Because the passengers would drown if you put it in the cabin.
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Because the passengers would drown if you put it in the cabin.
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Because the passengers would drown if you put it in the cabin.
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Because the passengers would drown if you put it in the cabin.
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Keeping fuel in the wings actually helps to maintain their structural integrity, see aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42613/…
– DeepSpace
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On the ground, the aircraft rests on the wheels. In flight, it rests on the wings - so weight in the wings reduces structural loading, not increases it.
– Therac
yesterday
@Therac: Following your explanation, I would see that it does not add structural load? But how would weight "reduce" structural load?
– summerrain
yesterday
@summerrain By balancing out the fuselage, which is a big central load. See A340 vs A330. Of course, this implies total weight is equal or within some limit.
– Therac
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@summerrain it doesn’t reduce it per se, it reduces the need for an even high structural (bending) load that would come from storing it in the main body.
– Notts90
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