Does the Snap Kick feat apply to Attacks of Opportunity?
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Does the Snap Kick feat work on Attacks of Opportunity (letting you make another attack)?
If yes, is the -2 to attack rolls cumulative?
dnd-3.5e feats opportunity-attack attack
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Does the Snap Kick feat work on Attacks of Opportunity (letting you make another attack)?
If yes, is the -2 to attack rolls cumulative?
dnd-3.5e feats opportunity-attack attack
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Does the Snap Kick feat work on Attacks of Opportunity (letting you make another attack)?
If yes, is the -2 to attack rolls cumulative?
dnd-3.5e feats opportunity-attack attack
edited Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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Does the Snap Kick feat work on Attacks of Opportunity (letting you make another attack)?
If yes, is the -2 to attack rolls cumulative?
dnd-3.5e feats opportunity-attack attack
dnd-3.5e feats opportunity-attack attack
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Yes, it does, and yes, it is. Actually, I am not sure it’s cumulative. In a comment, annoying imp points out the most fundamental stacking rule, which says that
In most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession).
Since the source in both cases is the Snap Kick feat, it would appear that the penalties overlap, not stack. That said, I could swear that somewhere there is a rule saying that penalties often stack.
Anyway, as for applying to attacks of opportunity, that much is a definite yes. Snap Kick lets you put one more attack into any attack sequence, which is what makes it so good.
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
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It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
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– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
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@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
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– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
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This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
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– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
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Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
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– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
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@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
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– KRyan
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Yes, it does, and yes, it is. Actually, I am not sure it’s cumulative. In a comment, annoying imp points out the most fundamental stacking rule, which says that
In most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession).
Since the source in both cases is the Snap Kick feat, it would appear that the penalties overlap, not stack. That said, I could swear that somewhere there is a rule saying that penalties often stack.
Anyway, as for applying to attacks of opportunity, that much is a definite yes. Snap Kick lets you put one more attack into any attack sequence, which is what makes it so good.
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
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It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
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– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
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@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
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– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
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This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
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– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
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Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
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– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
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@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
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– KRyan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:44
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show 1 more comment
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Yes, it does, and yes, it is. Actually, I am not sure it’s cumulative. In a comment, annoying imp points out the most fundamental stacking rule, which says that
In most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession).
Since the source in both cases is the Snap Kick feat, it would appear that the penalties overlap, not stack. That said, I could swear that somewhere there is a rule saying that penalties often stack.
Anyway, as for applying to attacks of opportunity, that much is a definite yes. Snap Kick lets you put one more attack into any attack sequence, which is what makes it so good.
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
$begingroup$
@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
$begingroup$
Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
$endgroup$
– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
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@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:44
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Yes, it does, and yes, it is. Actually, I am not sure it’s cumulative. In a comment, annoying imp points out the most fundamental stacking rule, which says that
In most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession).
Since the source in both cases is the Snap Kick feat, it would appear that the penalties overlap, not stack. That said, I could swear that somewhere there is a rule saying that penalties often stack.
Anyway, as for applying to attacks of opportunity, that much is a definite yes. Snap Kick lets you put one more attack into any attack sequence, which is what makes it so good.
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
$endgroup$
Yes, it does, and yes, it is. Actually, I am not sure it’s cumulative. In a comment, annoying imp points out the most fundamental stacking rule, which says that
In most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession).
Since the source in both cases is the Snap Kick feat, it would appear that the penalties overlap, not stack. That said, I could swear that somewhere there is a rule saying that penalties often stack.
Anyway, as for applying to attacks of opportunity, that much is a definite yes. Snap Kick lets you put one more attack into any attack sequence, which is what makes it so good.
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
edited Dec 31 '18 at 16:47
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:31
KRyanKRyan
220k28550943
220k28550943
$begingroup$
It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
$begingroup$
@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
$begingroup$
Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
$endgroup$
– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
$begingroup$
@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:44
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
$begingroup$
@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
$begingroup$
Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
$endgroup$
– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
$begingroup$
@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:44
$begingroup$
It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
$begingroup$
It may be worth adding why penalties from the same source would stack in this case. Not if I played much with ToB content, but with a glance I can't see why the above rule won't aply here.
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 28 '18 at 22:01
$begingroup$
@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
@annoyingimp Which rule above? Penalties are usually cumulative, it’s kind of the default. When a magic spell applies a penalty, you can’t just keep casting that spell to accumulate the penalties, but when the penalty is some non-spell thing you did, it definitely stacks.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 28 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
$begingroup$
This rule (above = I mentioned in a previous sentence). When you make two AoOs isn't your second roll suffers two untyped penalties from the same source (the feat)? Why spell vs non-spell would be a concern here?
$endgroup$
– annoying imp
Dec 30 '18 at 20:23
$begingroup$
Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
$endgroup$
– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
$begingroup$
Huh. I've always read that penalty as noncumulative. Because it's in a separate sentence that says, "You take a −2 penalty on all attack rolls you make this round," I'd assumed that suffering the penalty but once allowed any number of snap kicks during the round without further penalty. Is that a possible reading or too generous?
$endgroup$
– Hey I Can Chan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:41
$begingroup$
@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:44
$begingroup$
@HeyICanChan I could have sworn that there was a statement somewhere that said penalties are usually cumulative, but annoying imp’s link contradicts that. I haven’t had the opportunity to dig and see if I could find the statement I thought I remembered. Considering that, your reading not only seems plausible, but quite possibly more correct than mine, in the absence of my hypothetical statement to the contrary. It’s kind of a niche edge case either way, really, though I suppose a decisive strike attack of opportunity build would really care about the answer.
$endgroup$
– KRyan
Dec 31 '18 at 16:44
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