Has any spacecraft ever been flown manually to orbit?
Has anyone ever manually flown a spacecraft to orbit, Kerbal Space Program-style?
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Has anyone ever manually flown a spacecraft to orbit, Kerbal Space Program-style?
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I have never heard of such a thing, at least on the US side. I'm pretty sure it would be legendary had it ever happened. The Apollo astronauts had that option on the Saturn V. Gene Cernan once said: "You almost wish you hadda guidance failure at liftoff. Because I knew I could've flown that big Saturn V into orbit goddamn near as good as the computer."1
what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
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I believe manually flying a rocket to Earth orbit from Earth's surface would be impractical for the following reasons:
All current rockets pull massive G forces in the early stages of ascent. It is essential to get up to orbital velocity as quick as possible, because at low speeds you waste propellant fighting gravity. high G forces would make the rocket difficult to control.
Most rockets go into a low earth parking orbit initially, and this barely skims the Earth's surface. Without significant guidance, a pilot would not have the precision to enter such an orbit, so would need to overshoot, putting the spacecraft into a higher (or more likely, elliptical) orbit as this would be a safer option than undershooting and ending up crashing in an undetermined part of the world. Such an orbit would be a waste of propellant. If you are going to provide a guidance system, you may as well link it directly to the engine rather than having an unnecessary step of using the pilot.
Manual orbital rendezvous has been tried, and the first attempt failed due too poor understanding of orbital mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rendezvous
More spectacular manual piloting occurred during the Apollo 13 lunar mission includin changing the orbit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13 . When the service module failed, the astronauts were forced to abandon their descent to the moon's surface and instead use the lunar module as a lifeboat. They executed several burns of the lunar module's engine in order to return to Earth, according to instructions from Mission control and using the earth and celestial bodies out of the window for reference. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20090026451 gives a good overview of what was required. Things to note are:
- Although this was an emergency, they had a lot more time to navigate than they would in a liftoff from earth
- Mission control deliberated quite a bit on each burn before instructing the astronauts on how to execute it. The accident had occured even before the command/service module reached the moon, but they still needed to consider the target landing zone before the first mid-course correction burn. In between burns they tracked the position of the spacecraft to determine the magnitude and direction of the next burn.
- Due to venting of the damaged oxygen tank the astronauts had difficulty identifying stars to use as reference for the burn, but instead used the sun, moon and earth.
- Although there was some manual control, the guidance system was used to help with targeting. A wristwatch was used to check the burn duration
This gives an example of what is involved in navigating a spacecraft. Note that they had several very small correction burns to carry out and given that they had several hours between the burns they had (some) time. I do not believe it would be a good idea to carry out such manoeuvres manually in close proximity to the earth, as an incident would be disastrous.
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I have never heard of such a thing, at least on the US side. I'm pretty sure it would be legendary had it ever happened. The Apollo astronauts had that option on the Saturn V. Gene Cernan once said: "You almost wish you hadda guidance failure at liftoff. Because I knew I could've flown that big Saturn V into orbit goddamn near as good as the computer."1
what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
– uhoh
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I have never heard of such a thing, at least on the US side. I'm pretty sure it would be legendary had it ever happened. The Apollo astronauts had that option on the Saturn V. Gene Cernan once said: "You almost wish you hadda guidance failure at liftoff. Because I knew I could've flown that big Saturn V into orbit goddamn near as good as the computer."1
what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
– uhoh
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I have never heard of such a thing, at least on the US side. I'm pretty sure it would be legendary had it ever happened. The Apollo astronauts had that option on the Saturn V. Gene Cernan once said: "You almost wish you hadda guidance failure at liftoff. Because I knew I could've flown that big Saturn V into orbit goddamn near as good as the computer."1
I have never heard of such a thing, at least on the US side. I'm pretty sure it would be legendary had it ever happened. The Apollo astronauts had that option on the Saturn V. Gene Cernan once said: "You almost wish you hadda guidance failure at liftoff. Because I knew I could've flown that big Saturn V into orbit goddamn near as good as the computer."1
answered 2 hours ago
Mark AdlerMark Adler
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what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
– uhoh
1 hour ago
add a comment |
what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
– uhoh
1 hour ago
what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
– uhoh
1 hour ago
what about Matt Damon and Val Kilmer? oh wait...
– uhoh
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I believe manually flying a rocket to Earth orbit from Earth's surface would be impractical for the following reasons:
All current rockets pull massive G forces in the early stages of ascent. It is essential to get up to orbital velocity as quick as possible, because at low speeds you waste propellant fighting gravity. high G forces would make the rocket difficult to control.
Most rockets go into a low earth parking orbit initially, and this barely skims the Earth's surface. Without significant guidance, a pilot would not have the precision to enter such an orbit, so would need to overshoot, putting the spacecraft into a higher (or more likely, elliptical) orbit as this would be a safer option than undershooting and ending up crashing in an undetermined part of the world. Such an orbit would be a waste of propellant. If you are going to provide a guidance system, you may as well link it directly to the engine rather than having an unnecessary step of using the pilot.
Manual orbital rendezvous has been tried, and the first attempt failed due too poor understanding of orbital mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rendezvous
More spectacular manual piloting occurred during the Apollo 13 lunar mission includin changing the orbit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13 . When the service module failed, the astronauts were forced to abandon their descent to the moon's surface and instead use the lunar module as a lifeboat. They executed several burns of the lunar module's engine in order to return to Earth, according to instructions from Mission control and using the earth and celestial bodies out of the window for reference. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20090026451 gives a good overview of what was required. Things to note are:
- Although this was an emergency, they had a lot more time to navigate than they would in a liftoff from earth
- Mission control deliberated quite a bit on each burn before instructing the astronauts on how to execute it. The accident had occured even before the command/service module reached the moon, but they still needed to consider the target landing zone before the first mid-course correction burn. In between burns they tracked the position of the spacecraft to determine the magnitude and direction of the next burn.
- Due to venting of the damaged oxygen tank the astronauts had difficulty identifying stars to use as reference for the burn, but instead used the sun, moon and earth.
- Although there was some manual control, the guidance system was used to help with targeting. A wristwatch was used to check the burn duration
This gives an example of what is involved in navigating a spacecraft. Note that they had several very small correction burns to carry out and given that they had several hours between the burns they had (some) time. I do not believe it would be a good idea to carry out such manoeuvres manually in close proximity to the earth, as an incident would be disastrous.
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I believe manually flying a rocket to Earth orbit from Earth's surface would be impractical for the following reasons:
All current rockets pull massive G forces in the early stages of ascent. It is essential to get up to orbital velocity as quick as possible, because at low speeds you waste propellant fighting gravity. high G forces would make the rocket difficult to control.
Most rockets go into a low earth parking orbit initially, and this barely skims the Earth's surface. Without significant guidance, a pilot would not have the precision to enter such an orbit, so would need to overshoot, putting the spacecraft into a higher (or more likely, elliptical) orbit as this would be a safer option than undershooting and ending up crashing in an undetermined part of the world. Such an orbit would be a waste of propellant. If you are going to provide a guidance system, you may as well link it directly to the engine rather than having an unnecessary step of using the pilot.
Manual orbital rendezvous has been tried, and the first attempt failed due too poor understanding of orbital mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rendezvous
More spectacular manual piloting occurred during the Apollo 13 lunar mission includin changing the orbit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13 . When the service module failed, the astronauts were forced to abandon their descent to the moon's surface and instead use the lunar module as a lifeboat. They executed several burns of the lunar module's engine in order to return to Earth, according to instructions from Mission control and using the earth and celestial bodies out of the window for reference. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20090026451 gives a good overview of what was required. Things to note are:
- Although this was an emergency, they had a lot more time to navigate than they would in a liftoff from earth
- Mission control deliberated quite a bit on each burn before instructing the astronauts on how to execute it. The accident had occured even before the command/service module reached the moon, but they still needed to consider the target landing zone before the first mid-course correction burn. In between burns they tracked the position of the spacecraft to determine the magnitude and direction of the next burn.
- Due to venting of the damaged oxygen tank the astronauts had difficulty identifying stars to use as reference for the burn, but instead used the sun, moon and earth.
- Although there was some manual control, the guidance system was used to help with targeting. A wristwatch was used to check the burn duration
This gives an example of what is involved in navigating a spacecraft. Note that they had several very small correction burns to carry out and given that they had several hours between the burns they had (some) time. I do not believe it would be a good idea to carry out such manoeuvres manually in close proximity to the earth, as an incident would be disastrous.
add a comment |
I believe manually flying a rocket to Earth orbit from Earth's surface would be impractical for the following reasons:
All current rockets pull massive G forces in the early stages of ascent. It is essential to get up to orbital velocity as quick as possible, because at low speeds you waste propellant fighting gravity. high G forces would make the rocket difficult to control.
Most rockets go into a low earth parking orbit initially, and this barely skims the Earth's surface. Without significant guidance, a pilot would not have the precision to enter such an orbit, so would need to overshoot, putting the spacecraft into a higher (or more likely, elliptical) orbit as this would be a safer option than undershooting and ending up crashing in an undetermined part of the world. Such an orbit would be a waste of propellant. If you are going to provide a guidance system, you may as well link it directly to the engine rather than having an unnecessary step of using the pilot.
Manual orbital rendezvous has been tried, and the first attempt failed due too poor understanding of orbital mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rendezvous
More spectacular manual piloting occurred during the Apollo 13 lunar mission includin changing the orbit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13 . When the service module failed, the astronauts were forced to abandon their descent to the moon's surface and instead use the lunar module as a lifeboat. They executed several burns of the lunar module's engine in order to return to Earth, according to instructions from Mission control and using the earth and celestial bodies out of the window for reference. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20090026451 gives a good overview of what was required. Things to note are:
- Although this was an emergency, they had a lot more time to navigate than they would in a liftoff from earth
- Mission control deliberated quite a bit on each burn before instructing the astronauts on how to execute it. The accident had occured even before the command/service module reached the moon, but they still needed to consider the target landing zone before the first mid-course correction burn. In between burns they tracked the position of the spacecraft to determine the magnitude and direction of the next burn.
- Due to venting of the damaged oxygen tank the astronauts had difficulty identifying stars to use as reference for the burn, but instead used the sun, moon and earth.
- Although there was some manual control, the guidance system was used to help with targeting. A wristwatch was used to check the burn duration
This gives an example of what is involved in navigating a spacecraft. Note that they had several very small correction burns to carry out and given that they had several hours between the burns they had (some) time. I do not believe it would be a good idea to carry out such manoeuvres manually in close proximity to the earth, as an incident would be disastrous.
I believe manually flying a rocket to Earth orbit from Earth's surface would be impractical for the following reasons:
All current rockets pull massive G forces in the early stages of ascent. It is essential to get up to orbital velocity as quick as possible, because at low speeds you waste propellant fighting gravity. high G forces would make the rocket difficult to control.
Most rockets go into a low earth parking orbit initially, and this barely skims the Earth's surface. Without significant guidance, a pilot would not have the precision to enter such an orbit, so would need to overshoot, putting the spacecraft into a higher (or more likely, elliptical) orbit as this would be a safer option than undershooting and ending up crashing in an undetermined part of the world. Such an orbit would be a waste of propellant. If you are going to provide a guidance system, you may as well link it directly to the engine rather than having an unnecessary step of using the pilot.
Manual orbital rendezvous has been tried, and the first attempt failed due too poor understanding of orbital mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rendezvous
More spectacular manual piloting occurred during the Apollo 13 lunar mission includin changing the orbit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13 . When the service module failed, the astronauts were forced to abandon their descent to the moon's surface and instead use the lunar module as a lifeboat. They executed several burns of the lunar module's engine in order to return to Earth, according to instructions from Mission control and using the earth and celestial bodies out of the window for reference. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20090026451 gives a good overview of what was required. Things to note are:
- Although this was an emergency, they had a lot more time to navigate than they would in a liftoff from earth
- Mission control deliberated quite a bit on each burn before instructing the astronauts on how to execute it. The accident had occured even before the command/service module reached the moon, but they still needed to consider the target landing zone before the first mid-course correction burn. In between burns they tracked the position of the spacecraft to determine the magnitude and direction of the next burn.
- Due to venting of the damaged oxygen tank the astronauts had difficulty identifying stars to use as reference for the burn, but instead used the sun, moon and earth.
- Although there was some manual control, the guidance system was used to help with targeting. A wristwatch was used to check the burn duration
This gives an example of what is involved in navigating a spacecraft. Note that they had several very small correction burns to carry out and given that they had several hours between the burns they had (some) time. I do not believe it would be a good idea to carry out such manoeuvres manually in close proximity to the earth, as an incident would be disastrous.
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