Is it unreasonable to expect students to read the lecture notes before attending the first class?
The new semester will be starting in a few weeks,
and I will be teaching a course which starts on the first day of the semester.
The goal of the course is to teach students
how to use the R programming language to clean and analyze data.
I will teach the course using a flipped classroom format:
To save time (both my own time and students' time),
I will record video lectures and write lecture notes,
which I expect the students to watch or read before each class.
It should take the students about 1–2 hours to watch/read before class.During the 3 hours of contact time each week,
students will be in the computer lab,
where they will complete data analysis tasks on the computer.
During the class time in the lab,
students can ask me to clarify any questions they may have.
Question:
From the second class onward,
I will be expecting students
to watch the lecture videos and read the lecture notes before coming to class.
However, is it a good idea to have the same arrangement for the first class?
In other words, is it unreasonable to ask and expect students
to read the lecture notes for the first class
before coming to the first class?
My plan is to post the lecture notes online,
and to notify students that they should read the lecture notes
by making an announcement using the course LMS system.
(In my university,
students are automatically signed up to the course learning management system
when they register for the course.)
Some clarifications:
What types of students will be taking the course?
The course is a course for undergraduate students,
with most of the students are in their 2nd or 3rd year of study.
Is the course listed as a lab or as a lecture course?
The course is listed as a lecture course.
I am teaching in the business school,
where lab courses are extremely uncommon.
I believe that courses which are taught as lab courses,
say by teaching them in a computer lab,
are still listed officially as lecture courses.
teaching students
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The new semester will be starting in a few weeks,
and I will be teaching a course which starts on the first day of the semester.
The goal of the course is to teach students
how to use the R programming language to clean and analyze data.
I will teach the course using a flipped classroom format:
To save time (both my own time and students' time),
I will record video lectures and write lecture notes,
which I expect the students to watch or read before each class.
It should take the students about 1–2 hours to watch/read before class.During the 3 hours of contact time each week,
students will be in the computer lab,
where they will complete data analysis tasks on the computer.
During the class time in the lab,
students can ask me to clarify any questions they may have.
Question:
From the second class onward,
I will be expecting students
to watch the lecture videos and read the lecture notes before coming to class.
However, is it a good idea to have the same arrangement for the first class?
In other words, is it unreasonable to ask and expect students
to read the lecture notes for the first class
before coming to the first class?
My plan is to post the lecture notes online,
and to notify students that they should read the lecture notes
by making an announcement using the course LMS system.
(In my university,
students are automatically signed up to the course learning management system
when they register for the course.)
Some clarifications:
What types of students will be taking the course?
The course is a course for undergraduate students,
with most of the students are in their 2nd or 3rd year of study.
Is the course listed as a lab or as a lecture course?
The course is listed as a lecture course.
I am teaching in the business school,
where lab courses are extremely uncommon.
I believe that courses which are taught as lab courses,
say by teaching them in a computer lab,
are still listed officially as lecture courses.
teaching students
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Does the university's first day of classes occur before your first class meeting?
– Elizabeth Henning
11 hours ago
3
If you're doing this before the first day how are you going to ask it?
– candied_orange
7 hours ago
Title says lecture notes, but body says lab notes. In general I would consider them different. (One reads labnotes before the lab, but lectures notes when revising for exam (i.e. after lectures). Though I would expect that expectation to be clarified during the first class). It is also worth being clear in the question body as to if the class is marked as a Lab or a Lectures e.g. on the timetable.
– Lyndon White
6 hours ago
I feel like I have had several teachers who presume we have read the appropriate chapter before the lecture, and possibly some kind of online posted notes before a first class. I have even had at least one teacher who made the papers due at the beginning of section...it is confusing. Particularly the first class because the teacher usually explains expectations in the first class I would think it is unreasonable.
– takintoolong
5 hours ago
4
"The lecture notes are quite short... 1-2 hours to read them" I'm scared for what your long lecture notes are
– alexdriedger
4 hours ago
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The new semester will be starting in a few weeks,
and I will be teaching a course which starts on the first day of the semester.
The goal of the course is to teach students
how to use the R programming language to clean and analyze data.
I will teach the course using a flipped classroom format:
To save time (both my own time and students' time),
I will record video lectures and write lecture notes,
which I expect the students to watch or read before each class.
It should take the students about 1–2 hours to watch/read before class.During the 3 hours of contact time each week,
students will be in the computer lab,
where they will complete data analysis tasks on the computer.
During the class time in the lab,
students can ask me to clarify any questions they may have.
Question:
From the second class onward,
I will be expecting students
to watch the lecture videos and read the lecture notes before coming to class.
However, is it a good idea to have the same arrangement for the first class?
In other words, is it unreasonable to ask and expect students
to read the lecture notes for the first class
before coming to the first class?
My plan is to post the lecture notes online,
and to notify students that they should read the lecture notes
by making an announcement using the course LMS system.
(In my university,
students are automatically signed up to the course learning management system
when they register for the course.)
Some clarifications:
What types of students will be taking the course?
The course is a course for undergraduate students,
with most of the students are in their 2nd or 3rd year of study.
Is the course listed as a lab or as a lecture course?
The course is listed as a lecture course.
I am teaching in the business school,
where lab courses are extremely uncommon.
I believe that courses which are taught as lab courses,
say by teaching them in a computer lab,
are still listed officially as lecture courses.
teaching students
The new semester will be starting in a few weeks,
and I will be teaching a course which starts on the first day of the semester.
The goal of the course is to teach students
how to use the R programming language to clean and analyze data.
I will teach the course using a flipped classroom format:
To save time (both my own time and students' time),
I will record video lectures and write lecture notes,
which I expect the students to watch or read before each class.
It should take the students about 1–2 hours to watch/read before class.During the 3 hours of contact time each week,
students will be in the computer lab,
where they will complete data analysis tasks on the computer.
During the class time in the lab,
students can ask me to clarify any questions they may have.
Question:
From the second class onward,
I will be expecting students
to watch the lecture videos and read the lecture notes before coming to class.
However, is it a good idea to have the same arrangement for the first class?
In other words, is it unreasonable to ask and expect students
to read the lecture notes for the first class
before coming to the first class?
My plan is to post the lecture notes online,
and to notify students that they should read the lecture notes
by making an announcement using the course LMS system.
(In my university,
students are automatically signed up to the course learning management system
when they register for the course.)
Some clarifications:
What types of students will be taking the course?
The course is a course for undergraduate students,
with most of the students are in their 2nd or 3rd year of study.
Is the course listed as a lab or as a lecture course?
The course is listed as a lecture course.
I am teaching in the business school,
where lab courses are extremely uncommon.
I believe that courses which are taught as lab courses,
say by teaching them in a computer lab,
are still listed officially as lecture courses.
teaching students
teaching students
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6
Does the university's first day of classes occur before your first class meeting?
– Elizabeth Henning
11 hours ago
3
If you're doing this before the first day how are you going to ask it?
– candied_orange
7 hours ago
Title says lecture notes, but body says lab notes. In general I would consider them different. (One reads labnotes before the lab, but lectures notes when revising for exam (i.e. after lectures). Though I would expect that expectation to be clarified during the first class). It is also worth being clear in the question body as to if the class is marked as a Lab or a Lectures e.g. on the timetable.
– Lyndon White
6 hours ago
I feel like I have had several teachers who presume we have read the appropriate chapter before the lecture, and possibly some kind of online posted notes before a first class. I have even had at least one teacher who made the papers due at the beginning of section...it is confusing. Particularly the first class because the teacher usually explains expectations in the first class I would think it is unreasonable.
– takintoolong
5 hours ago
4
"The lecture notes are quite short... 1-2 hours to read them" I'm scared for what your long lecture notes are
– alexdriedger
4 hours ago
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Does the university's first day of classes occur before your first class meeting?
– Elizabeth Henning
11 hours ago
3
If you're doing this before the first day how are you going to ask it?
– candied_orange
7 hours ago
Title says lecture notes, but body says lab notes. In general I would consider them different. (One reads labnotes before the lab, but lectures notes when revising for exam (i.e. after lectures). Though I would expect that expectation to be clarified during the first class). It is also worth being clear in the question body as to if the class is marked as a Lab or a Lectures e.g. on the timetable.
– Lyndon White
6 hours ago
I feel like I have had several teachers who presume we have read the appropriate chapter before the lecture, and possibly some kind of online posted notes before a first class. I have even had at least one teacher who made the papers due at the beginning of section...it is confusing. Particularly the first class because the teacher usually explains expectations in the first class I would think it is unreasonable.
– takintoolong
5 hours ago
4
"The lecture notes are quite short... 1-2 hours to read them" I'm scared for what your long lecture notes are
– alexdriedger
4 hours ago
6
6
Does the university's first day of classes occur before your first class meeting?
– Elizabeth Henning
11 hours ago
Does the university's first day of classes occur before your first class meeting?
– Elizabeth Henning
11 hours ago
3
3
If you're doing this before the first day how are you going to ask it?
– candied_orange
7 hours ago
If you're doing this before the first day how are you going to ask it?
– candied_orange
7 hours ago
Title says lecture notes, but body says lab notes. In general I would consider them different. (One reads labnotes before the lab, but lectures notes when revising for exam (i.e. after lectures). Though I would expect that expectation to be clarified during the first class). It is also worth being clear in the question body as to if the class is marked as a Lab or a Lectures e.g. on the timetable.
– Lyndon White
6 hours ago
Title says lecture notes, but body says lab notes. In general I would consider them different. (One reads labnotes before the lab, but lectures notes when revising for exam (i.e. after lectures). Though I would expect that expectation to be clarified during the first class). It is also worth being clear in the question body as to if the class is marked as a Lab or a Lectures e.g. on the timetable.
– Lyndon White
6 hours ago
I feel like I have had several teachers who presume we have read the appropriate chapter before the lecture, and possibly some kind of online posted notes before a first class. I have even had at least one teacher who made the papers due at the beginning of section...it is confusing. Particularly the first class because the teacher usually explains expectations in the first class I would think it is unreasonable.
– takintoolong
5 hours ago
I feel like I have had several teachers who presume we have read the appropriate chapter before the lecture, and possibly some kind of online posted notes before a first class. I have even had at least one teacher who made the papers due at the beginning of section...it is confusing. Particularly the first class because the teacher usually explains expectations in the first class I would think it is unreasonable.
– takintoolong
5 hours ago
4
4
"The lecture notes are quite short... 1-2 hours to read them" I'm scared for what your long lecture notes are
– alexdriedger
4 hours ago
"The lecture notes are quite short... 1-2 hours to read them" I'm scared for what your long lecture notes are
– alexdriedger
4 hours ago
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In my opinion, yes it is unreasonable.
Disclaimer: I am a student in the Netherlands, different universities and countries might work differently.
In all the courses I've followed I can't remember a single one that expected me to prepare for the first class. Usually the first half of the first lecture of a course is dedicated to explaining how the course works, what is expected of you, and anything else related to organization. Most students, including myself, usually don't even register in the online environment where the teaching material is posted before the first lecture.
You could argue that maybe this shouldn't be the case, and that students should be more diligent. And naturally, it is up to you whether you want to take this view and potentially punish students who didn't prepare. Practically though, most students are probably just going to miss it, or skip it.
If you do decide to have students prepare for the first lecture, make sure to clearly note this in the course guide/emails/online announcements. And also note the potential consequences for students who do not prepare.
My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
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@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
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I think that it is reasonable to ask that they read the notes. But I suspect that you will get about the same response that you would get to any similar request during the term. Some will do it - most likely those who need it least - and others won't. There are a lot of reasons beyond slacking why they won't. They have other commitments for their time and effort between terms.
So, my advice would be to make the request, but don't assume that it is honored. Find a way in class that you can proceed without disadvantaging some of the students. One way is to start out with pairing in the first exercises. One member of a pair might be able to bring her/his partner up to speed. Another way is to spend part of the first class discussing the notes explicitly. If the scale is reasonable, make this an interactive exercise.
Another way is to provide an ungraded quiz that you use solely to let the students know if they have any gaps that they should fill quickly. Make it clear that if they do well on the quiz they are prepared to continue, but otherwise they need to quickly bring themselves up to speed - via the notes.
Actually, maybe the response would be a bit less than normal, given that this is, to them, an unusual request.
If you are a relatively new teacher, I'll note that your students are not like you, unless this is an advanced graduate course. Very few of them, anyway. You are who and where you are because of certain characteristics and habits that the vast majority of your students don't share. It is always a good idea to remember that. You are not teaching people just like you. They probably don't learn in the same way that you learn. Explore Learning Modalities for a discussion of that. You have succeeded. They haven't (yet). Moreover their success won't be like yours for the most part.
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Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
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@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
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You want the students to read the lecture notes prior to the first meeting of the class, but you do not appear to have a method of communicating this requirement directly to the students. Without a way to ensure that your announcement is read by all of the students in the class you cannot assume that any of them will read it, and thus in my opinion your requirement to spend multiple hours preparing for the class prior to the first meeting is unreasonable.
The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
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Yes, it is unreasonable (in the precise, literal meaning of the word “unreasonable”, despite @ZeroTheHero’s wiseguy answer attempting to imply the contrary) to ask and/or expect students to do 1-2 hours of reading work prior to coming to the first class of the semester. It’s not just that, as others point out, your expectations will surely not be met, but, equally importantly, that such a request is unfair to the students.
What’s reasonable is to expect the students to come to the first class knowing the officially advertised prerequisite material (and to have procured a physical or digital copy of the textbook or lecture notes for the course). Requiring more knowledge than that is effectively moving the goalposts, a kind of false advertising, and a (mild) abuse of your authority. In addition to most of the students ignoring your request, even the ones who do the reading may still resent you for this misrepresentation, and for trying to monopolize a part of their time that is not yours to monopolize - the time before the beginning of the class, when students may well be busy with other things they had planned to do.
At the end of the day, it’s worth remembering that it is your job to teach the material, and that the time between the start of the class and the end of the semester is precisely the time scheduled by the university for the students to learn that material. Assigning independent reading, while certainly acceptable, is something that should be done sparingly, and not before this official time period. Your intentions seem good and I sympathize with the general idea: I may also wish that if I’m teaching, say, a complex analysis class then students should read at home the basics of contour integration before the course starts so that I can cover more advanced material. But that’s my problem, not the students’.
With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
27 mins ago
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared before they attend any lecture: first, second, third etc. What is unreasonable on the part of the instructor is to expect the students will behave reasonably.
While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
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@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
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As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
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Not all your students might have fully enrolled by the first class. They might not have access to the course announcements or the lecture notes, and therefore they can't read the material even if they want to.
Beyond that though, what someone considers reasonable and unreasonable will vary from person to person, so I'll sidestep that discussion (the comments to one answer already quotes from dictionaries what this word means) and say, chances are:
- Most students will not read the lecture notes before the first class. Only the most dedicated and diligent of students will.
- Most students will not complain if you make this request. Some won't even be aware of it until the first lecture.
- If you go ahead with this and stick to your guns, the most common reaction will probably be surprise. "Wow, this course / professor is not easy".
Personally, I'd skip the requirements in the first class and impose them beginning in the second class. That way, everyone (those that come to the labs anyway) will know what you expect of them, and ignorance is no longer an excuse.
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This is actually a form of blended learning called the flipped classroom. This approach involves studying the material before classes and using the class period for activities and assignments to better understand the content. As such, this is not an unusual request.
The only thing that makes this unreasonable is the timing. If I understand the question correctly, you are trying to have the students read lecture notes before you even met them. Before the very first class is strange in my opinion. However, if you have a prior relationship with these students and have taught them before it may be more reasonable but still unusual. Often the first class is used to explain expectations for the semester and not so much on learning activities.
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You don't say what level of students or what any prerequisites are for the course, so my comments are based on the idea of a fairly low level undergraduate course. If it were an honors course for senior majors I might answer differently.
1-2 hours is way too much to expect before the first meeting. At least in the US, students may not even complete registration before the first class and some may not be back to campus until the day of your class meeting.
Also you are using the term lab notes and lecture notes interchangeably, but they are not the same. Are you talking about lab instructions? Or were you planning to lecture for two hours? At most, you might ask them to "skim" instructions but don't count on them doing it.
That said, I do often email students before the first meeting and ask that they do something. For example, send me an email introducing themselves, post a self introduction on a discussion board, complete a short survey or pretest assessment, read a related newspaper article or watch a related video (since you mention data analysis I'll say that for my into stats class I sometimes use one of the Gapminder videos). Or make sure they know how to login to some system. Also remind them to bring anything they need to bring if you are doing a lab. I also post this in the LMS so that students who don't read their email will see it. That makes possible to have a more engaged first class meeting even if only half the class did it, and students can email me with anything I need to know before class. Also students who didn't read the email get a reminder that they need to do that and also can still do it after class.
What are you going to do about the students that didn't do the reading? What about visually impaired students who didn't do the reading? It's already a classroom management problem just thinking about it. There's nothing worse for a course than a chaotic first meeting. It gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
I would think that for the first lab you would want to plan it out carefully so that it takes a reasonable amount of time (leaving time to review the structure of the course and expectations) and right away start showing that class time will be used for active learning. That is do not lecture for more than you plan to lecture during the rest of the semester. That means you will have to assume nothing for that first class and plan a lab that does not require student prep and is either very self explanatory that you will actively facilitate. It will be better to have it be too short than too long.
I don't know how much experience you have in teaching or in the flipped model, but I can tell you that it requires meticulous planning. It's definitely worth it to put the planning time in. I have students doing data analysis with real data in R the first day they walk into my room; it is very do-able with good planning and thoughtful approaches.
Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
– I Like to Code
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It is highly unlikely that more than 10% of your students will read the lecture notes prior to the first lecture, and that's being optimistic. The beginning of the semester is fraught with logistical issues. Often, students drop a course after looking over a syllabus. The students then spend a little time registering for new courses. More time is spent purchasing required textbooks at the beginning of the semester, then during. A student may spend a few hours moving their belongings into a dorm room or apartment instead of reading the lecture notes. Once things "calm down" a bit, students will have more time to read such things. However, I would plan for failure. Design your lectures to be effective even if none of the students have read the notes beforehand.
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One big problem could be students who add the course late. You can post the assignment on the class management software, but if some student adds the class the day of or the day before or the day after the first lecture, then he won't know about the assignment until it's too late.
If this is a large lecture course, this is guaranteed to be a problem. More so because large courses are usually populated by immature students. If this is a small, graduate course, then it's much less unreasonable.
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In my opinion, yes it is unreasonable.
Disclaimer: I am a student in the Netherlands, different universities and countries might work differently.
In all the courses I've followed I can't remember a single one that expected me to prepare for the first class. Usually the first half of the first lecture of a course is dedicated to explaining how the course works, what is expected of you, and anything else related to organization. Most students, including myself, usually don't even register in the online environment where the teaching material is posted before the first lecture.
You could argue that maybe this shouldn't be the case, and that students should be more diligent. And naturally, it is up to you whether you want to take this view and potentially punish students who didn't prepare. Practically though, most students are probably just going to miss it, or skip it.
If you do decide to have students prepare for the first lecture, make sure to clearly note this in the course guide/emails/online announcements. And also note the potential consequences for students who do not prepare.
My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
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@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
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In my opinion, yes it is unreasonable.
Disclaimer: I am a student in the Netherlands, different universities and countries might work differently.
In all the courses I've followed I can't remember a single one that expected me to prepare for the first class. Usually the first half of the first lecture of a course is dedicated to explaining how the course works, what is expected of you, and anything else related to organization. Most students, including myself, usually don't even register in the online environment where the teaching material is posted before the first lecture.
You could argue that maybe this shouldn't be the case, and that students should be more diligent. And naturally, it is up to you whether you want to take this view and potentially punish students who didn't prepare. Practically though, most students are probably just going to miss it, or skip it.
If you do decide to have students prepare for the first lecture, make sure to clearly note this in the course guide/emails/online announcements. And also note the potential consequences for students who do not prepare.
My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
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@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
add a comment |
In my opinion, yes it is unreasonable.
Disclaimer: I am a student in the Netherlands, different universities and countries might work differently.
In all the courses I've followed I can't remember a single one that expected me to prepare for the first class. Usually the first half of the first lecture of a course is dedicated to explaining how the course works, what is expected of you, and anything else related to organization. Most students, including myself, usually don't even register in the online environment where the teaching material is posted before the first lecture.
You could argue that maybe this shouldn't be the case, and that students should be more diligent. And naturally, it is up to you whether you want to take this view and potentially punish students who didn't prepare. Practically though, most students are probably just going to miss it, or skip it.
If you do decide to have students prepare for the first lecture, make sure to clearly note this in the course guide/emails/online announcements. And also note the potential consequences for students who do not prepare.
In my opinion, yes it is unreasonable.
Disclaimer: I am a student in the Netherlands, different universities and countries might work differently.
In all the courses I've followed I can't remember a single one that expected me to prepare for the first class. Usually the first half of the first lecture of a course is dedicated to explaining how the course works, what is expected of you, and anything else related to organization. Most students, including myself, usually don't even register in the online environment where the teaching material is posted before the first lecture.
You could argue that maybe this shouldn't be the case, and that students should be more diligent. And naturally, it is up to you whether you want to take this view and potentially punish students who didn't prepare. Practically though, most students are probably just going to miss it, or skip it.
If you do decide to have students prepare for the first lecture, make sure to clearly note this in the course guide/emails/online announcements. And also note the potential consequences for students who do not prepare.
edited 10 hours ago
answered 15 hours ago
ElectronicToothpick
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My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
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@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
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My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
12
@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
My mistake.. I read the question as 'is it reasonable ...' I've edited the mistake: it is unreasonable to ask this in my opinion.
– ElectronicToothpick
10 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
Nothing in your answer tells me why it would be unreasonable to ask students to be prepared for the first class. Yes, students may not be used to it, it clearly requires communication, and it may practically not be the best idea didactically speaking, but nothing about this is unreasonable.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
12
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@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
@xLeitix, if a single course has stricter requirements about things that should be done beforehand, and there's no practical way for the usual student to even find out about those requirements before it's too late, then yes, it really quickly starts getting unreasonable.
– ilkkachu
7 hours ago
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I think that it is reasonable to ask that they read the notes. But I suspect that you will get about the same response that you would get to any similar request during the term. Some will do it - most likely those who need it least - and others won't. There are a lot of reasons beyond slacking why they won't. They have other commitments for their time and effort between terms.
So, my advice would be to make the request, but don't assume that it is honored. Find a way in class that you can proceed without disadvantaging some of the students. One way is to start out with pairing in the first exercises. One member of a pair might be able to bring her/his partner up to speed. Another way is to spend part of the first class discussing the notes explicitly. If the scale is reasonable, make this an interactive exercise.
Another way is to provide an ungraded quiz that you use solely to let the students know if they have any gaps that they should fill quickly. Make it clear that if they do well on the quiz they are prepared to continue, but otherwise they need to quickly bring themselves up to speed - via the notes.
Actually, maybe the response would be a bit less than normal, given that this is, to them, an unusual request.
If you are a relatively new teacher, I'll note that your students are not like you, unless this is an advanced graduate course. Very few of them, anyway. You are who and where you are because of certain characteristics and habits that the vast majority of your students don't share. It is always a good idea to remember that. You are not teaching people just like you. They probably don't learn in the same way that you learn. Explore Learning Modalities for a discussion of that. You have succeeded. They haven't (yet). Moreover their success won't be like yours for the most part.
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Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
1
@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
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I think that it is reasonable to ask that they read the notes. But I suspect that you will get about the same response that you would get to any similar request during the term. Some will do it - most likely those who need it least - and others won't. There are a lot of reasons beyond slacking why they won't. They have other commitments for their time and effort between terms.
So, my advice would be to make the request, but don't assume that it is honored. Find a way in class that you can proceed without disadvantaging some of the students. One way is to start out with pairing in the first exercises. One member of a pair might be able to bring her/his partner up to speed. Another way is to spend part of the first class discussing the notes explicitly. If the scale is reasonable, make this an interactive exercise.
Another way is to provide an ungraded quiz that you use solely to let the students know if they have any gaps that they should fill quickly. Make it clear that if they do well on the quiz they are prepared to continue, but otherwise they need to quickly bring themselves up to speed - via the notes.
Actually, maybe the response would be a bit less than normal, given that this is, to them, an unusual request.
If you are a relatively new teacher, I'll note that your students are not like you, unless this is an advanced graduate course. Very few of them, anyway. You are who and where you are because of certain characteristics and habits that the vast majority of your students don't share. It is always a good idea to remember that. You are not teaching people just like you. They probably don't learn in the same way that you learn. Explore Learning Modalities for a discussion of that. You have succeeded. They haven't (yet). Moreover their success won't be like yours for the most part.
2
Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
1
@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
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I think that it is reasonable to ask that they read the notes. But I suspect that you will get about the same response that you would get to any similar request during the term. Some will do it - most likely those who need it least - and others won't. There are a lot of reasons beyond slacking why they won't. They have other commitments for their time and effort between terms.
So, my advice would be to make the request, but don't assume that it is honored. Find a way in class that you can proceed without disadvantaging some of the students. One way is to start out with pairing in the first exercises. One member of a pair might be able to bring her/his partner up to speed. Another way is to spend part of the first class discussing the notes explicitly. If the scale is reasonable, make this an interactive exercise.
Another way is to provide an ungraded quiz that you use solely to let the students know if they have any gaps that they should fill quickly. Make it clear that if they do well on the quiz they are prepared to continue, but otherwise they need to quickly bring themselves up to speed - via the notes.
Actually, maybe the response would be a bit less than normal, given that this is, to them, an unusual request.
If you are a relatively new teacher, I'll note that your students are not like you, unless this is an advanced graduate course. Very few of them, anyway. You are who and where you are because of certain characteristics and habits that the vast majority of your students don't share. It is always a good idea to remember that. You are not teaching people just like you. They probably don't learn in the same way that you learn. Explore Learning Modalities for a discussion of that. You have succeeded. They haven't (yet). Moreover their success won't be like yours for the most part.
I think that it is reasonable to ask that they read the notes. But I suspect that you will get about the same response that you would get to any similar request during the term. Some will do it - most likely those who need it least - and others won't. There are a lot of reasons beyond slacking why they won't. They have other commitments for their time and effort between terms.
So, my advice would be to make the request, but don't assume that it is honored. Find a way in class that you can proceed without disadvantaging some of the students. One way is to start out with pairing in the first exercises. One member of a pair might be able to bring her/his partner up to speed. Another way is to spend part of the first class discussing the notes explicitly. If the scale is reasonable, make this an interactive exercise.
Another way is to provide an ungraded quiz that you use solely to let the students know if they have any gaps that they should fill quickly. Make it clear that if they do well on the quiz they are prepared to continue, but otherwise they need to quickly bring themselves up to speed - via the notes.
Actually, maybe the response would be a bit less than normal, given that this is, to them, an unusual request.
If you are a relatively new teacher, I'll note that your students are not like you, unless this is an advanced graduate course. Very few of them, anyway. You are who and where you are because of certain characteristics and habits that the vast majority of your students don't share. It is always a good idea to remember that. You are not teaching people just like you. They probably don't learn in the same way that you learn. Explore Learning Modalities for a discussion of that. You have succeeded. They haven't (yet). Moreover their success won't be like yours for the most part.
edited 8 hours ago
answered 15 hours ago
Buffy
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Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
1
@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
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Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
1
@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
2
2
Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
Disadvantaging is fine, so long as it's not to the point of being irrecoverable (For example, if students do not understand the first lecture because they aren't prepared, they still can study and learn the material themselves to catch up). Setting the precedent of rehashing the assigned reading during the first class, when the intention is not to do so throughout the whole semester, sounds a lot more problematic, because students will assume this will continue.
– Ben Voigt
8 hours ago
1
1
@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
@BenVoigt, easy enough to clear up any misunderstanding or misplaced assumptions. Also, asking about questions on readings may be a good practice in many situations. But yes, irrecoverable should be avoided. Minor annoyances shouldn't figure in to the calculation.
– Buffy
8 hours ago
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You want the students to read the lecture notes prior to the first meeting of the class, but you do not appear to have a method of communicating this requirement directly to the students. Without a way to ensure that your announcement is read by all of the students in the class you cannot assume that any of them will read it, and thus in my opinion your requirement to spend multiple hours preparing for the class prior to the first meeting is unreasonable.
The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
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You want the students to read the lecture notes prior to the first meeting of the class, but you do not appear to have a method of communicating this requirement directly to the students. Without a way to ensure that your announcement is read by all of the students in the class you cannot assume that any of them will read it, and thus in my opinion your requirement to spend multiple hours preparing for the class prior to the first meeting is unreasonable.
The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
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You want the students to read the lecture notes prior to the first meeting of the class, but you do not appear to have a method of communicating this requirement directly to the students. Without a way to ensure that your announcement is read by all of the students in the class you cannot assume that any of them will read it, and thus in my opinion your requirement to spend multiple hours preparing for the class prior to the first meeting is unreasonable.
You want the students to read the lecture notes prior to the first meeting of the class, but you do not appear to have a method of communicating this requirement directly to the students. Without a way to ensure that your announcement is read by all of the students in the class you cannot assume that any of them will read it, and thus in my opinion your requirement to spend multiple hours preparing for the class prior to the first meeting is unreasonable.
answered 7 hours ago
Bob Jarvis
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The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
add a comment |
The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
The OP said the school uses an LMS, which probably means it's possible to send out an emai directly to each registered student. The problem, as pointed out in another answer, is that some students may not have registered by the first class.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
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Yes, it is unreasonable (in the precise, literal meaning of the word “unreasonable”, despite @ZeroTheHero’s wiseguy answer attempting to imply the contrary) to ask and/or expect students to do 1-2 hours of reading work prior to coming to the first class of the semester. It’s not just that, as others point out, your expectations will surely not be met, but, equally importantly, that such a request is unfair to the students.
What’s reasonable is to expect the students to come to the first class knowing the officially advertised prerequisite material (and to have procured a physical or digital copy of the textbook or lecture notes for the course). Requiring more knowledge than that is effectively moving the goalposts, a kind of false advertising, and a (mild) abuse of your authority. In addition to most of the students ignoring your request, even the ones who do the reading may still resent you for this misrepresentation, and for trying to monopolize a part of their time that is not yours to monopolize - the time before the beginning of the class, when students may well be busy with other things they had planned to do.
At the end of the day, it’s worth remembering that it is your job to teach the material, and that the time between the start of the class and the end of the semester is precisely the time scheduled by the university for the students to learn that material. Assigning independent reading, while certainly acceptable, is something that should be done sparingly, and not before this official time period. Your intentions seem good and I sympathize with the general idea: I may also wish that if I’m teaching, say, a complex analysis class then students should read at home the basics of contour integration before the course starts so that I can cover more advanced material. But that’s my problem, not the students’.
With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
27 mins ago
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Yes, it is unreasonable (in the precise, literal meaning of the word “unreasonable”, despite @ZeroTheHero’s wiseguy answer attempting to imply the contrary) to ask and/or expect students to do 1-2 hours of reading work prior to coming to the first class of the semester. It’s not just that, as others point out, your expectations will surely not be met, but, equally importantly, that such a request is unfair to the students.
What’s reasonable is to expect the students to come to the first class knowing the officially advertised prerequisite material (and to have procured a physical or digital copy of the textbook or lecture notes for the course). Requiring more knowledge than that is effectively moving the goalposts, a kind of false advertising, and a (mild) abuse of your authority. In addition to most of the students ignoring your request, even the ones who do the reading may still resent you for this misrepresentation, and for trying to monopolize a part of their time that is not yours to monopolize - the time before the beginning of the class, when students may well be busy with other things they had planned to do.
At the end of the day, it’s worth remembering that it is your job to teach the material, and that the time between the start of the class and the end of the semester is precisely the time scheduled by the university for the students to learn that material. Assigning independent reading, while certainly acceptable, is something that should be done sparingly, and not before this official time period. Your intentions seem good and I sympathize with the general idea: I may also wish that if I’m teaching, say, a complex analysis class then students should read at home the basics of contour integration before the course starts so that I can cover more advanced material. But that’s my problem, not the students’.
With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
27 mins ago
add a comment |
Yes, it is unreasonable (in the precise, literal meaning of the word “unreasonable”, despite @ZeroTheHero’s wiseguy answer attempting to imply the contrary) to ask and/or expect students to do 1-2 hours of reading work prior to coming to the first class of the semester. It’s not just that, as others point out, your expectations will surely not be met, but, equally importantly, that such a request is unfair to the students.
What’s reasonable is to expect the students to come to the first class knowing the officially advertised prerequisite material (and to have procured a physical or digital copy of the textbook or lecture notes for the course). Requiring more knowledge than that is effectively moving the goalposts, a kind of false advertising, and a (mild) abuse of your authority. In addition to most of the students ignoring your request, even the ones who do the reading may still resent you for this misrepresentation, and for trying to monopolize a part of their time that is not yours to monopolize - the time before the beginning of the class, when students may well be busy with other things they had planned to do.
At the end of the day, it’s worth remembering that it is your job to teach the material, and that the time between the start of the class and the end of the semester is precisely the time scheduled by the university for the students to learn that material. Assigning independent reading, while certainly acceptable, is something that should be done sparingly, and not before this official time period. Your intentions seem good and I sympathize with the general idea: I may also wish that if I’m teaching, say, a complex analysis class then students should read at home the basics of contour integration before the course starts so that I can cover more advanced material. But that’s my problem, not the students’.
Yes, it is unreasonable (in the precise, literal meaning of the word “unreasonable”, despite @ZeroTheHero’s wiseguy answer attempting to imply the contrary) to ask and/or expect students to do 1-2 hours of reading work prior to coming to the first class of the semester. It’s not just that, as others point out, your expectations will surely not be met, but, equally importantly, that such a request is unfair to the students.
What’s reasonable is to expect the students to come to the first class knowing the officially advertised prerequisite material (and to have procured a physical or digital copy of the textbook or lecture notes for the course). Requiring more knowledge than that is effectively moving the goalposts, a kind of false advertising, and a (mild) abuse of your authority. In addition to most of the students ignoring your request, even the ones who do the reading may still resent you for this misrepresentation, and for trying to monopolize a part of their time that is not yours to monopolize - the time before the beginning of the class, when students may well be busy with other things they had planned to do.
At the end of the day, it’s worth remembering that it is your job to teach the material, and that the time between the start of the class and the end of the semester is precisely the time scheduled by the university for the students to learn that material. Assigning independent reading, while certainly acceptable, is something that should be done sparingly, and not before this official time period. Your intentions seem good and I sympathize with the general idea: I may also wish that if I’m teaching, say, a complex analysis class then students should read at home the basics of contour integration before the course starts so that I can cover more advanced material. But that’s my problem, not the students’.
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answered 7 hours ago
Dan Romik
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With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
27 mins ago
add a comment |
With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
27 mins ago
With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
With due respect: I do not see why it is unfair. Your line of argument would suggest it would be unreasonable for a student to have read material of any class since, in principle, you have not yet covered this material. What would be unreasonable would be to expect students will have mastered the material ahead of class, but prepared for it? I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
– ZeroTheHero
2 hours ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
27 mins ago
I know this isn't the point, but expecting students to have bought the textbook before the first class is a little much in some situations. The students may not yet know whether they want to remain in the class until they've come to the first session and received the syllabus, they may not know whether the book will be used extensively or is optional, and the book may be quite expensive. There are a number of situations where it could make a lot of sense to wait on getting the textbook (of course, the student bears the risk of any downsides that may result from this approach).
– Zach Lipton
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared before they attend any lecture: first, second, third etc. What is unreasonable on the part of the instructor is to expect the students will behave reasonably.
While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
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@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
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As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared before they attend any lecture: first, second, third etc. What is unreasonable on the part of the instructor is to expect the students will behave reasonably.
While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
2
@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
1
As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
2
It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared before they attend any lecture: first, second, third etc. What is unreasonable on the part of the instructor is to expect the students will behave reasonably.
It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared before they attend any lecture: first, second, third etc. What is unreasonable on the part of the instructor is to expect the students will behave reasonably.
answered 10 hours ago
ZeroTheHero
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While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
2
@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
1
As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
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It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
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While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
2
@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
1
As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
2
It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
While I appreciate the phrasing for rhetorical effect, wouldn't it be more fair to replace "unreasonable" in the 2nd sentence with "unrealistic"?
– Yemon Choi
10 hours ago
2
2
@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
@YemonChoi hmmm... interesting observation. Googles defines “unreasonable” as not guided by or based on good sense - which is what I mean - but Merriam-Webster gives not conformable to reason : ABSURD, which is too strong. MW defines “unrealistic” as inappropriate to reality or fact, which is more practical than “unreasonable”.
– ZeroTheHero
9 hours ago
1
1
As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
As snippy as it is, this is actually the best answer. It's not unreasonable, but it likely won't happen, which makes it a bit of a questionable tool from a didactic point of view.
– xLeitix
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
@xLeitix ... depends on your objective. If you want to establish that the course will require regular prep by the students, this tactic may work although relying on it for the first class is unrealistic. Maybe in later years the word can percolate from older to junior students...
– ZeroTheHero
8 hours ago
2
2
It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
It is not unreasonable to ask students to be adequately prepared: this looks like a straw man argument. Being “adequately prepared” does not mean to have already studied the content of the lecture. Before the first lecture, being “adequately prepared” means precisely to have the official prerequisites advertised in the catalog/syllabus, nothing more.
– Dan Romik
7 hours ago
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Not all your students might have fully enrolled by the first class. They might not have access to the course announcements or the lecture notes, and therefore they can't read the material even if they want to.
Beyond that though, what someone considers reasonable and unreasonable will vary from person to person, so I'll sidestep that discussion (the comments to one answer already quotes from dictionaries what this word means) and say, chances are:
- Most students will not read the lecture notes before the first class. Only the most dedicated and diligent of students will.
- Most students will not complain if you make this request. Some won't even be aware of it until the first lecture.
- If you go ahead with this and stick to your guns, the most common reaction will probably be surprise. "Wow, this course / professor is not easy".
Personally, I'd skip the requirements in the first class and impose them beginning in the second class. That way, everyone (those that come to the labs anyway) will know what you expect of them, and ignorance is no longer an excuse.
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Not all your students might have fully enrolled by the first class. They might not have access to the course announcements or the lecture notes, and therefore they can't read the material even if they want to.
Beyond that though, what someone considers reasonable and unreasonable will vary from person to person, so I'll sidestep that discussion (the comments to one answer already quotes from dictionaries what this word means) and say, chances are:
- Most students will not read the lecture notes before the first class. Only the most dedicated and diligent of students will.
- Most students will not complain if you make this request. Some won't even be aware of it until the first lecture.
- If you go ahead with this and stick to your guns, the most common reaction will probably be surprise. "Wow, this course / professor is not easy".
Personally, I'd skip the requirements in the first class and impose them beginning in the second class. That way, everyone (those that come to the labs anyway) will know what you expect of them, and ignorance is no longer an excuse.
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Not all your students might have fully enrolled by the first class. They might not have access to the course announcements or the lecture notes, and therefore they can't read the material even if they want to.
Beyond that though, what someone considers reasonable and unreasonable will vary from person to person, so I'll sidestep that discussion (the comments to one answer already quotes from dictionaries what this word means) and say, chances are:
- Most students will not read the lecture notes before the first class. Only the most dedicated and diligent of students will.
- Most students will not complain if you make this request. Some won't even be aware of it until the first lecture.
- If you go ahead with this and stick to your guns, the most common reaction will probably be surprise. "Wow, this course / professor is not easy".
Personally, I'd skip the requirements in the first class and impose them beginning in the second class. That way, everyone (those that come to the labs anyway) will know what you expect of them, and ignorance is no longer an excuse.
Not all your students might have fully enrolled by the first class. They might not have access to the course announcements or the lecture notes, and therefore they can't read the material even if they want to.
Beyond that though, what someone considers reasonable and unreasonable will vary from person to person, so I'll sidestep that discussion (the comments to one answer already quotes from dictionaries what this word means) and say, chances are:
- Most students will not read the lecture notes before the first class. Only the most dedicated and diligent of students will.
- Most students will not complain if you make this request. Some won't even be aware of it until the first lecture.
- If you go ahead with this and stick to your guns, the most common reaction will probably be surprise. "Wow, this course / professor is not easy".
Personally, I'd skip the requirements in the first class and impose them beginning in the second class. That way, everyone (those that come to the labs anyway) will know what you expect of them, and ignorance is no longer an excuse.
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This is actually a form of blended learning called the flipped classroom. This approach involves studying the material before classes and using the class period for activities and assignments to better understand the content. As such, this is not an unusual request.
The only thing that makes this unreasonable is the timing. If I understand the question correctly, you are trying to have the students read lecture notes before you even met them. Before the very first class is strange in my opinion. However, if you have a prior relationship with these students and have taught them before it may be more reasonable but still unusual. Often the first class is used to explain expectations for the semester and not so much on learning activities.
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This is actually a form of blended learning called the flipped classroom. This approach involves studying the material before classes and using the class period for activities and assignments to better understand the content. As such, this is not an unusual request.
The only thing that makes this unreasonable is the timing. If I understand the question correctly, you are trying to have the students read lecture notes before you even met them. Before the very first class is strange in my opinion. However, if you have a prior relationship with these students and have taught them before it may be more reasonable but still unusual. Often the first class is used to explain expectations for the semester and not so much on learning activities.
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This is actually a form of blended learning called the flipped classroom. This approach involves studying the material before classes and using the class period for activities and assignments to better understand the content. As such, this is not an unusual request.
The only thing that makes this unreasonable is the timing. If I understand the question correctly, you are trying to have the students read lecture notes before you even met them. Before the very first class is strange in my opinion. However, if you have a prior relationship with these students and have taught them before it may be more reasonable but still unusual. Often the first class is used to explain expectations for the semester and not so much on learning activities.
This is actually a form of blended learning called the flipped classroom. This approach involves studying the material before classes and using the class period for activities and assignments to better understand the content. As such, this is not an unusual request.
The only thing that makes this unreasonable is the timing. If I understand the question correctly, you are trying to have the students read lecture notes before you even met them. Before the very first class is strange in my opinion. However, if you have a prior relationship with these students and have taught them before it may be more reasonable but still unusual. Often the first class is used to explain expectations for the semester and not so much on learning activities.
answered 7 hours ago
Darrin Thomas
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You don't say what level of students or what any prerequisites are for the course, so my comments are based on the idea of a fairly low level undergraduate course. If it were an honors course for senior majors I might answer differently.
1-2 hours is way too much to expect before the first meeting. At least in the US, students may not even complete registration before the first class and some may not be back to campus until the day of your class meeting.
Also you are using the term lab notes and lecture notes interchangeably, but they are not the same. Are you talking about lab instructions? Or were you planning to lecture for two hours? At most, you might ask them to "skim" instructions but don't count on them doing it.
That said, I do often email students before the first meeting and ask that they do something. For example, send me an email introducing themselves, post a self introduction on a discussion board, complete a short survey or pretest assessment, read a related newspaper article or watch a related video (since you mention data analysis I'll say that for my into stats class I sometimes use one of the Gapminder videos). Or make sure they know how to login to some system. Also remind them to bring anything they need to bring if you are doing a lab. I also post this in the LMS so that students who don't read their email will see it. That makes possible to have a more engaged first class meeting even if only half the class did it, and students can email me with anything I need to know before class. Also students who didn't read the email get a reminder that they need to do that and also can still do it after class.
What are you going to do about the students that didn't do the reading? What about visually impaired students who didn't do the reading? It's already a classroom management problem just thinking about it. There's nothing worse for a course than a chaotic first meeting. It gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
I would think that for the first lab you would want to plan it out carefully so that it takes a reasonable amount of time (leaving time to review the structure of the course and expectations) and right away start showing that class time will be used for active learning. That is do not lecture for more than you plan to lecture during the rest of the semester. That means you will have to assume nothing for that first class and plan a lab that does not require student prep and is either very self explanatory that you will actively facilitate. It will be better to have it be too short than too long.
I don't know how much experience you have in teaching or in the flipped model, but I can tell you that it requires meticulous planning. It's definitely worth it to put the planning time in. I have students doing data analysis with real data in R the first day they walk into my room; it is very do-able with good planning and thoughtful approaches.
Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
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You don't say what level of students or what any prerequisites are for the course, so my comments are based on the idea of a fairly low level undergraduate course. If it were an honors course for senior majors I might answer differently.
1-2 hours is way too much to expect before the first meeting. At least in the US, students may not even complete registration before the first class and some may not be back to campus until the day of your class meeting.
Also you are using the term lab notes and lecture notes interchangeably, but they are not the same. Are you talking about lab instructions? Or were you planning to lecture for two hours? At most, you might ask them to "skim" instructions but don't count on them doing it.
That said, I do often email students before the first meeting and ask that they do something. For example, send me an email introducing themselves, post a self introduction on a discussion board, complete a short survey or pretest assessment, read a related newspaper article or watch a related video (since you mention data analysis I'll say that for my into stats class I sometimes use one of the Gapminder videos). Or make sure they know how to login to some system. Also remind them to bring anything they need to bring if you are doing a lab. I also post this in the LMS so that students who don't read their email will see it. That makes possible to have a more engaged first class meeting even if only half the class did it, and students can email me with anything I need to know before class. Also students who didn't read the email get a reminder that they need to do that and also can still do it after class.
What are you going to do about the students that didn't do the reading? What about visually impaired students who didn't do the reading? It's already a classroom management problem just thinking about it. There's nothing worse for a course than a chaotic first meeting. It gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
I would think that for the first lab you would want to plan it out carefully so that it takes a reasonable amount of time (leaving time to review the structure of the course and expectations) and right away start showing that class time will be used for active learning. That is do not lecture for more than you plan to lecture during the rest of the semester. That means you will have to assume nothing for that first class and plan a lab that does not require student prep and is either very self explanatory that you will actively facilitate. It will be better to have it be too short than too long.
I don't know how much experience you have in teaching or in the flipped model, but I can tell you that it requires meticulous planning. It's definitely worth it to put the planning time in. I have students doing data analysis with real data in R the first day they walk into my room; it is very do-able with good planning and thoughtful approaches.
Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
– I Like to Code
1 hour ago
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You don't say what level of students or what any prerequisites are for the course, so my comments are based on the idea of a fairly low level undergraduate course. If it were an honors course for senior majors I might answer differently.
1-2 hours is way too much to expect before the first meeting. At least in the US, students may not even complete registration before the first class and some may not be back to campus until the day of your class meeting.
Also you are using the term lab notes and lecture notes interchangeably, but they are not the same. Are you talking about lab instructions? Or were you planning to lecture for two hours? At most, you might ask them to "skim" instructions but don't count on them doing it.
That said, I do often email students before the first meeting and ask that they do something. For example, send me an email introducing themselves, post a self introduction on a discussion board, complete a short survey or pretest assessment, read a related newspaper article or watch a related video (since you mention data analysis I'll say that for my into stats class I sometimes use one of the Gapminder videos). Or make sure they know how to login to some system. Also remind them to bring anything they need to bring if you are doing a lab. I also post this in the LMS so that students who don't read their email will see it. That makes possible to have a more engaged first class meeting even if only half the class did it, and students can email me with anything I need to know before class. Also students who didn't read the email get a reminder that they need to do that and also can still do it after class.
What are you going to do about the students that didn't do the reading? What about visually impaired students who didn't do the reading? It's already a classroom management problem just thinking about it. There's nothing worse for a course than a chaotic first meeting. It gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
I would think that for the first lab you would want to plan it out carefully so that it takes a reasonable amount of time (leaving time to review the structure of the course and expectations) and right away start showing that class time will be used for active learning. That is do not lecture for more than you plan to lecture during the rest of the semester. That means you will have to assume nothing for that first class and plan a lab that does not require student prep and is either very self explanatory that you will actively facilitate. It will be better to have it be too short than too long.
I don't know how much experience you have in teaching or in the flipped model, but I can tell you that it requires meticulous planning. It's definitely worth it to put the planning time in. I have students doing data analysis with real data in R the first day they walk into my room; it is very do-able with good planning and thoughtful approaches.
You don't say what level of students or what any prerequisites are for the course, so my comments are based on the idea of a fairly low level undergraduate course. If it were an honors course for senior majors I might answer differently.
1-2 hours is way too much to expect before the first meeting. At least in the US, students may not even complete registration before the first class and some may not be back to campus until the day of your class meeting.
Also you are using the term lab notes and lecture notes interchangeably, but they are not the same. Are you talking about lab instructions? Or were you planning to lecture for two hours? At most, you might ask them to "skim" instructions but don't count on them doing it.
That said, I do often email students before the first meeting and ask that they do something. For example, send me an email introducing themselves, post a self introduction on a discussion board, complete a short survey or pretest assessment, read a related newspaper article or watch a related video (since you mention data analysis I'll say that for my into stats class I sometimes use one of the Gapminder videos). Or make sure they know how to login to some system. Also remind them to bring anything they need to bring if you are doing a lab. I also post this in the LMS so that students who don't read their email will see it. That makes possible to have a more engaged first class meeting even if only half the class did it, and students can email me with anything I need to know before class. Also students who didn't read the email get a reminder that they need to do that and also can still do it after class.
What are you going to do about the students that didn't do the reading? What about visually impaired students who didn't do the reading? It's already a classroom management problem just thinking about it. There's nothing worse for a course than a chaotic first meeting. It gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
I would think that for the first lab you would want to plan it out carefully so that it takes a reasonable amount of time (leaving time to review the structure of the course and expectations) and right away start showing that class time will be used for active learning. That is do not lecture for more than you plan to lecture during the rest of the semester. That means you will have to assume nothing for that first class and plan a lab that does not require student prep and is either very self explanatory that you will actively facilitate. It will be better to have it be too short than too long.
I don't know how much experience you have in teaching or in the flipped model, but I can tell you that it requires meticulous planning. It's definitely worth it to put the planning time in. I have students doing data analysis with real data in R the first day they walk into my room; it is very do-able with good planning and thoughtful approaches.
answered 5 hours ago
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Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
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Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
– I Like to Code
1 hour ago
Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
– I Like to Code
1 hour ago
Would it be possible for you to share a little bit more about what you do in your first lecture/lab? For example could you share lecture notes or lab problems? I would like to learn from how you get students up and running with R in the first class.
– I Like to Code
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It is highly unlikely that more than 10% of your students will read the lecture notes prior to the first lecture, and that's being optimistic. The beginning of the semester is fraught with logistical issues. Often, students drop a course after looking over a syllabus. The students then spend a little time registering for new courses. More time is spent purchasing required textbooks at the beginning of the semester, then during. A student may spend a few hours moving their belongings into a dorm room or apartment instead of reading the lecture notes. Once things "calm down" a bit, students will have more time to read such things. However, I would plan for failure. Design your lectures to be effective even if none of the students have read the notes beforehand.
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It is highly unlikely that more than 10% of your students will read the lecture notes prior to the first lecture, and that's being optimistic. The beginning of the semester is fraught with logistical issues. Often, students drop a course after looking over a syllabus. The students then spend a little time registering for new courses. More time is spent purchasing required textbooks at the beginning of the semester, then during. A student may spend a few hours moving their belongings into a dorm room or apartment instead of reading the lecture notes. Once things "calm down" a bit, students will have more time to read such things. However, I would plan for failure. Design your lectures to be effective even if none of the students have read the notes beforehand.
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It is highly unlikely that more than 10% of your students will read the lecture notes prior to the first lecture, and that's being optimistic. The beginning of the semester is fraught with logistical issues. Often, students drop a course after looking over a syllabus. The students then spend a little time registering for new courses. More time is spent purchasing required textbooks at the beginning of the semester, then during. A student may spend a few hours moving their belongings into a dorm room or apartment instead of reading the lecture notes. Once things "calm down" a bit, students will have more time to read such things. However, I would plan for failure. Design your lectures to be effective even if none of the students have read the notes beforehand.
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It is highly unlikely that more than 10% of your students will read the lecture notes prior to the first lecture, and that's being optimistic. The beginning of the semester is fraught with logistical issues. Often, students drop a course after looking over a syllabus. The students then spend a little time registering for new courses. More time is spent purchasing required textbooks at the beginning of the semester, then during. A student may spend a few hours moving their belongings into a dorm room or apartment instead of reading the lecture notes. Once things "calm down" a bit, students will have more time to read such things. However, I would plan for failure. Design your lectures to be effective even if none of the students have read the notes beforehand.
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One big problem could be students who add the course late. You can post the assignment on the class management software, but if some student adds the class the day of or the day before or the day after the first lecture, then he won't know about the assignment until it's too late.
If this is a large lecture course, this is guaranteed to be a problem. More so because large courses are usually populated by immature students. If this is a small, graduate course, then it's much less unreasonable.
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One big problem could be students who add the course late. You can post the assignment on the class management software, but if some student adds the class the day of or the day before or the day after the first lecture, then he won't know about the assignment until it's too late.
If this is a large lecture course, this is guaranteed to be a problem. More so because large courses are usually populated by immature students. If this is a small, graduate course, then it's much less unreasonable.
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One big problem could be students who add the course late. You can post the assignment on the class management software, but if some student adds the class the day of or the day before or the day after the first lecture, then he won't know about the assignment until it's too late.
If this is a large lecture course, this is guaranteed to be a problem. More so because large courses are usually populated by immature students. If this is a small, graduate course, then it's much less unreasonable.
One big problem could be students who add the course late. You can post the assignment on the class management software, but if some student adds the class the day of or the day before or the day after the first lecture, then he won't know about the assignment until it's too late.
If this is a large lecture course, this is guaranteed to be a problem. More so because large courses are usually populated by immature students. If this is a small, graduate course, then it's much less unreasonable.
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Does the university's first day of classes occur before your first class meeting?
– Elizabeth Henning
11 hours ago
3
If you're doing this before the first day how are you going to ask it?
– candied_orange
7 hours ago
Title says lecture notes, but body says lab notes. In general I would consider them different. (One reads labnotes before the lab, but lectures notes when revising for exam (i.e. after lectures). Though I would expect that expectation to be clarified during the first class). It is also worth being clear in the question body as to if the class is marked as a Lab or a Lectures e.g. on the timetable.
– Lyndon White
6 hours ago
I feel like I have had several teachers who presume we have read the appropriate chapter before the lecture, and possibly some kind of online posted notes before a first class. I have even had at least one teacher who made the papers due at the beginning of section...it is confusing. Particularly the first class because the teacher usually explains expectations in the first class I would think it is unreasonable.
– takintoolong
5 hours ago
4
"The lecture notes are quite short... 1-2 hours to read them" I'm scared for what your long lecture notes are
– alexdriedger
4 hours ago