Can I say that $frac{d}{dl}f=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal frac{partial K}{partial l})$?












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Let's assume that I know $frac{partial}{partial K}f$, where f is scalar valued, and $K$ is a matrix-valued function of $lin mathbb{R}$, i.e. $K=K(l)$.



$df=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal dK)$, with $dK=frac{partial K}{partial l} dl$.



Can I say that $frac{d}{dl}f=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal frac{partial K}{partial l})$?



Since $dl$ is $1times 1$, I could take it out of the trace above...



Am I correct?










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    Let's assume that I know $frac{partial}{partial K}f$, where f is scalar valued, and $K$ is a matrix-valued function of $lin mathbb{R}$, i.e. $K=K(l)$.



    $df=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal dK)$, with $dK=frac{partial K}{partial l} dl$.



    Can I say that $frac{d}{dl}f=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal frac{partial K}{partial l})$?



    Since $dl$ is $1times 1$, I could take it out of the trace above...



    Am I correct?










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      Let's assume that I know $frac{partial}{partial K}f$, where f is scalar valued, and $K$ is a matrix-valued function of $lin mathbb{R}$, i.e. $K=K(l)$.



      $df=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal dK)$, with $dK=frac{partial K}{partial l} dl$.



      Can I say that $frac{d}{dl}f=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal frac{partial K}{partial l})$?



      Since $dl$ is $1times 1$, I could take it out of the trace above...



      Am I correct?










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      Let's assume that I know $frac{partial}{partial K}f$, where f is scalar valued, and $K$ is a matrix-valued function of $lin mathbb{R}$, i.e. $K=K(l)$.



      $df=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal dK)$, with $dK=frac{partial K}{partial l} dl$.



      Can I say that $frac{d}{dl}f=Tr((frac{partial}{partial K}f)^intercal frac{partial K}{partial l})$?



      Since $dl$ is $1times 1$, I could take it out of the trace above...



      Am I correct?







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          You are correct.



          $$
          frac{df}{dl} = sum_{i,j} frac{partial f}{partial K_{ij}}frac{d K_{ij}}{dl}
          = sum_{i,j} left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^T_{ji}left(frac{d K}{dl}right)_{ij}
          = sum_{j} left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right]_{jj}
          =mathrm{tr}left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right] .
          $$



          See here for the formula $sum_{ij}X_{ij}Y_{ij}=mathrm{tr}(X^TY)$.



          See also my comments to this other question for a similar but slightly more complex computation.






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            You are correct.



            $$
            frac{df}{dl} = sum_{i,j} frac{partial f}{partial K_{ij}}frac{d K_{ij}}{dl}
            = sum_{i,j} left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^T_{ji}left(frac{d K}{dl}right)_{ij}
            = sum_{j} left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right]_{jj}
            =mathrm{tr}left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right] .
            $$



            See here for the formula $sum_{ij}X_{ij}Y_{ij}=mathrm{tr}(X^TY)$.



            See also my comments to this other question for a similar but slightly more complex computation.






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              $begingroup$

              You are correct.



              $$
              frac{df}{dl} = sum_{i,j} frac{partial f}{partial K_{ij}}frac{d K_{ij}}{dl}
              = sum_{i,j} left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^T_{ji}left(frac{d K}{dl}right)_{ij}
              = sum_{j} left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right]_{jj}
              =mathrm{tr}left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right] .
              $$



              See here for the formula $sum_{ij}X_{ij}Y_{ij}=mathrm{tr}(X^TY)$.



              See also my comments to this other question for a similar but slightly more complex computation.






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                You are correct.



                $$
                frac{df}{dl} = sum_{i,j} frac{partial f}{partial K_{ij}}frac{d K_{ij}}{dl}
                = sum_{i,j} left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^T_{ji}left(frac{d K}{dl}right)_{ij}
                = sum_{j} left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right]_{jj}
                =mathrm{tr}left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right] .
                $$



                See here for the formula $sum_{ij}X_{ij}Y_{ij}=mathrm{tr}(X^TY)$.



                See also my comments to this other question for a similar but slightly more complex computation.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                You are correct.



                $$
                frac{df}{dl} = sum_{i,j} frac{partial f}{partial K_{ij}}frac{d K_{ij}}{dl}
                = sum_{i,j} left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^T_{ji}left(frac{d K}{dl}right)_{ij}
                = sum_{j} left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right]_{jj}
                =mathrm{tr}left[left(frac{partial f}{partial K}right)^Tfrac{d K}{dl}right] .
                $$



                See here for the formula $sum_{ij}X_{ij}Y_{ij}=mathrm{tr}(X^TY)$.



                See also my comments to this other question for a similar but slightly more complex computation.







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