Finding a solution of a PDE, which is growing in time
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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.
Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation
$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$
$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$
$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.
(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?
Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:
There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:
$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $
I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).
Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?
Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance!
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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.
Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation
$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$
$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$
$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.
(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?
Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:
There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:
$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $
I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).
Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?
Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance!
ordinary-differential-equations pde elliptic-equations
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Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15
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What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16
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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
Dec 20 '18 at 6:45
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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.
Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation
$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$
$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$
$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.
(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?
Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:
There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:
$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $
I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).
Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?
Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance!
ordinary-differential-equations pde elliptic-equations
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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.
Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation
$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$
$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$
$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.
(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?
Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:
There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:
$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $
I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).
Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?
Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance!
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Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15
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What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16
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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
Dec 20 '18 at 6:45
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Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15
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What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16
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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
Dec 20 '18 at 6:45
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Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15
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Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15
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What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16
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What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16
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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
Dec 20 '18 at 6:45
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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
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I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.
Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)
$$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$
We get
$$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$
Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that
$$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$
where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.
$$begin{cases}
c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
end{cases}$$
The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.
Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$
We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives
$$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
Where
$$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$
It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just
$$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$
We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:
When $r = 0$,
$$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$
When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.
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I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.
Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)
$$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$
We get
$$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$
Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that
$$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$
where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.
$$begin{cases}
c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
end{cases}$$
The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.
Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$
We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives
$$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
Where
$$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$
It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just
$$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$
We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:
When $r = 0$,
$$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$
When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.
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I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.
Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)
$$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$
We get
$$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$
Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that
$$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$
where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.
$$begin{cases}
c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
end{cases}$$
The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.
Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$
We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives
$$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
Where
$$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$
It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just
$$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$
We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:
When $r = 0$,
$$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$
When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.
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I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.
Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)
$$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$
We get
$$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$
Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that
$$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$
where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.
$$begin{cases}
c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
end{cases}$$
The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.
Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$
We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives
$$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
Where
$$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$
It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just
$$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$
We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:
When $r = 0$,
$$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$
When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.
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I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.
Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)
$$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$
We get
$$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$
Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that
$$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$
where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.
$$begin{cases}
c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
end{cases}$$
The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.
Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$
We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives
$$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
Where
$$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$
It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just
$$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$
We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:
When $r = 0$,
$$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$
When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.
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$begingroup$
Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15
$begingroup$
What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16
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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
Dec 20 '18 at 6:45