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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.



Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation



$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$



$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$



$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.



(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?



Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:



There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:



$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $



I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).



Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?



Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?



Thanks in advance!










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    Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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    What book is this out of?
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    Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.



Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation



$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$



$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$



$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.



(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?



Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:



There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:



$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $



I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).



Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?



Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?



Thanks in advance!










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    Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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    – DaveNine
    Dec 20 '18 at 1:15










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    What book is this out of?
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    – DaveNine
    Dec 20 '18 at 1:16










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    Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 20 '18 at 6:45














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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.



Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation



$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$



$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$



$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.



(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?



Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:



There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:



$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $



I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).



Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?



Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?



Thanks in advance!










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I've been dealing with a problem about partial differential equations for a while and hope you can help me.



Let be $omega, c>0$ and $h: [0,a]rightarrow mathbb{R}$ regular ($a>0 in mathbb{R}$). Concern the inhomogenious, damped wave-equation



$u_{tt}(x,t) - c^2 u_{xx}(x,t)+ p u_t(x,t) =h(x) sin(omega t)~~~$ for $t>0, x in (0,a)$



$u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$



$u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$.



(a) Let be $p=0$. For which $omega$ do we get a solution, which is growing in time?
(b) What about $p>0$?



Well, I guess (a) requires solving the equation, so - due to $u(x,0) = 0 = u_t(x,0)$ and $u(0,t) = 0 = u(a,t)$ - my approach was as follows:



There is only one term in the universal solution which contributes. For Eigenvectors $phi_n(x)=sqrt{2} sin(frac{npi x}{l})$ and Eigenvalues $lambda_n = left(frac{c n pi}{l}right)^2$ we get:



$u(x,t) = int_{0}^{t} sum_{n=0}^{infty}frac{sin(sqrt{lambda_n}(t-s))}{sqrt{lambda_n}} f_n(s) phi_n(s) ds $



I tried to evalueate the integral above and hoped to get some term, where I see some kind of condition for $omega$ but this integral gets a real crap (which even doesn't result into something nice when I use some trigonometric identities before summing up).



Does anyone have an idea how I can find out some condition for $omega$?



Furthermore, due to the $r$-Term doesn't vanish any more (and nothing I've found in my book doesn't apply), I don't have an idea for b). Can anyone help me?



Thanks in advance!







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    Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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    – DaveNine
    Dec 20 '18 at 1:15










  • $begingroup$
    What book is this out of?
    $endgroup$
    – DaveNine
    Dec 20 '18 at 1:16










  • $begingroup$
    Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 20 '18 at 6:45


















  • $begingroup$
    Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
    $endgroup$
    – DaveNine
    Dec 20 '18 at 1:15










  • $begingroup$
    What book is this out of?
    $endgroup$
    – DaveNine
    Dec 20 '18 at 1:16










  • $begingroup$
    Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 20 '18 at 6:45
















$begingroup$
Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15




$begingroup$
Which means you probably meant $r$ instead of $p$.
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:15












$begingroup$
What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16




$begingroup$
What book is this out of?
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– DaveNine
Dec 20 '18 at 1:16












$begingroup$
Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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– BigbearZzz
Dec 20 '18 at 6:45




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Shouldn't you use the tag hyperbolic equation instead of elliptic?
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I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.



Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)



$$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$



We get



$$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$



Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that



$$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$



where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.



$$begin{cases}
c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
end{cases}$$



The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.



Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$



We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives



$$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
Where



$$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$



It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just



$$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$



We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:



When $r = 0$,



$$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$



When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.






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    I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.



    Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)



    $$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$



    We get



    $$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$



    Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that



    $$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$



    where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.



    $$begin{cases}
    c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
    c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
    end{cases}$$



    The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.



    Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$



    We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives



    $$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
    Where



    $$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$



    It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just



    $$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$



    We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:



    When $r = 0$,



    $$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$



    When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.






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      I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.



      Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)



      $$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$



      We get



      $$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$



      Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that



      $$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$



      where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.



      $$begin{cases}
      c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
      c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
      end{cases}$$



      The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.



      Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$



      We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives



      $$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
      Where



      $$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$



      It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just



      $$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$



      We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:



      When $r = 0$,



      $$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$



      When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.






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        I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.



        Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)



        $$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$



        We get



        $$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$



        Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that



        $$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$



        where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.



        $$begin{cases}
        c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
        c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
        end{cases}$$



        The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.



        Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$



        We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives



        $$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
        Where



        $$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$



        It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just



        $$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$



        We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:



        When $r = 0$,



        $$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$



        When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.






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        I'm going to write this out in hopes that it puts you in the write direction, but this is not a complete answer.



        Assuming that the solution takes the form(taking on a eigenfunction expansion technique)



        $$u(x, t) = sum_{n=0}^{infty} c_n(t) sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)}$$



        We get



        $$sum_{n=0}^{infty}left[c_n''(t)+rc_n'(t)+left(frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) right]sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)} = h(x)sin{(omega t)}$$



        Since $h(x)in L^2[0,a]$, we can write that



        $$h(x) = sum_{n=0}^{infty}b_n sin{left(frac{n pi x}{a}right)}$$



        where $b_n$ are the fourier coefficients for $h(x)$, $b_n = frac{2}{a}int_0^a h(x)sin{left( frac{n pi x}{a} right)},dx$. This means we get the following ODE which we only really care about to analyze, since we are concerned with long term behavior.



        $$begin{cases}
        c_n''(t) + rc_n'(t) + left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2c_n(t) = b_n sin{(omega t)} \
        c_n(0) = c_n'(0) = 0
        end{cases}$$



        The solution to this system completely depends on the eigenvalues of this ODE, we can actually write out a solution using variation of parameters.



        Letting $$gamma =left( frac{n pi c}{a} right)^2, lambda_{pm} = frac{-r pm sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}{2}$$



        We can solve for $c_n(t)$ with variation of parameters, this gives



        $$c_n(t) = Ae^{lambda_{+}t}+Be^{lambda_{-}t} + y_p(t)$$
        Where



        $$y_p(t) = -b_ne^{lambda_{+}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{-}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds + b_ne^{lambda_{-}t}int_0^t frac{e^{lambda_{+}s}sin{omega s}}{-e^{-rs}sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}, ds$$



        It can be shown that $y_p(0)=y_p'(0)=0$, so that $A = B = 0$, and our solution is just



        $$c_n(t) = frac{b_n}{sqrt{r^2 - 4gamma^2}}int_0^t e^{rs}sin{(omega s)}left(e^{lambda_{-}s + lambda_{+}t} - e^{lambda_{+}s + lambda_{-}t} right), ds$$



        We can now use this expression to divulge on some cases:



        When $r = 0$,



        $$c_n(t) = b_nfrac{gamma sin{omega t} - omega sin{gamma t}}{gamma^3 - gamma omega^2}$$



        When $r > 0$, it may be worth looking at some specific cases, such as $r = 2gamma$ which gives a repeated eigenvalue (which you should be able to conclude blow up). It looks like $omega = gamma$ might be of interest as well.







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