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If $K subset E_1 cup E_2$, where $K$ is compact and $E_1, E_2$ are disjoint open subsets of a topological space, is $K cap E_1$ compact? Is that always the case if $E_1, E_2$ are not disjoint?



I've seen other threads that have this, so I was wondering why the solution I thought of is incorrect:



Let $U_{alpha}$ be an open covering of $K$. Then because $K$ is compact, there is a finite subcovering $U_1, U_2, ldots, U_N in U_{alpha}$ that cover $K$. But then $U_1, ldots, U_N, E_1$ is a finite collection of open sets that covers $K$ and $E_1$, so it covers $K cap E_1$, and so $K cap E_1$ must be compact.










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  • If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are not disjoint, you might as well take $E_2=X$ (the whole space); so you're just asking, if $K$ is compact and $E_1$ is open, is $Kcap E_1$ compact?
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  • If $E_1,E_2$ don't have to be disjoint, here is a counterexample: $K=[0,1]$, $E_1=(0,1)$, $E_2=mathbb R$. $E_1$ and $E_2$ are open subsets of the space $mathbb R$, $K$ is a compact subset of $E_1cup E_2$, but $Kcap E_1=E_1$ is not compact.
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  • If your argument were correct (which it is not), it would prove that any subset of a compact set is compact.
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    Nov 14 at 8:09










  • Yes, I realize the conclusion of this "proof" is incorrect, but I was wondering where the flaw was that led to this false conclusion.
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    Nov 14 at 8:10






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    To prove that $Kcap E_1$ is compact, you have to show that any open cover of $Kcap E_1$ has a finite subcover. Proving that an open cover of $K$ has a finite subcover doesn't do it.
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If $K subset E_1 cup E_2$, where $K$ is compact and $E_1, E_2$ are disjoint open subsets of a topological space, is $K cap E_1$ compact? Is that always the case if $E_1, E_2$ are not disjoint?



I've seen other threads that have this, so I was wondering why the solution I thought of is incorrect:



Let $U_{alpha}$ be an open covering of $K$. Then because $K$ is compact, there is a finite subcovering $U_1, U_2, ldots, U_N in U_{alpha}$ that cover $K$. But then $U_1, ldots, U_N, E_1$ is a finite collection of open sets that covers $K$ and $E_1$, so it covers $K cap E_1$, and so $K cap E_1$ must be compact.










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  • If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are not disjoint, you might as well take $E_2=X$ (the whole space); so you're just asking, if $K$ is compact and $E_1$ is open, is $Kcap E_1$ compact?
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:05










  • If $E_1,E_2$ don't have to be disjoint, here is a counterexample: $K=[0,1]$, $E_1=(0,1)$, $E_2=mathbb R$. $E_1$ and $E_2$ are open subsets of the space $mathbb R$, $K$ is a compact subset of $E_1cup E_2$, but $Kcap E_1=E_1$ is not compact.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:08












  • If your argument were correct (which it is not), it would prove that any subset of a compact set is compact.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:09










  • Yes, I realize the conclusion of this "proof" is incorrect, but I was wondering where the flaw was that led to this false conclusion.
    – A. Smith
    Nov 14 at 8:10






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    To prove that $Kcap E_1$ is compact, you have to show that any open cover of $Kcap E_1$ has a finite subcover. Proving that an open cover of $K$ has a finite subcover doesn't do it.
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If $K subset E_1 cup E_2$, where $K$ is compact and $E_1, E_2$ are disjoint open subsets of a topological space, is $K cap E_1$ compact? Is that always the case if $E_1, E_2$ are not disjoint?



I've seen other threads that have this, so I was wondering why the solution I thought of is incorrect:



Let $U_{alpha}$ be an open covering of $K$. Then because $K$ is compact, there is a finite subcovering $U_1, U_2, ldots, U_N in U_{alpha}$ that cover $K$. But then $U_1, ldots, U_N, E_1$ is a finite collection of open sets that covers $K$ and $E_1$, so it covers $K cap E_1$, and so $K cap E_1$ must be compact.










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If $K subset E_1 cup E_2$, where $K$ is compact and $E_1, E_2$ are disjoint open subsets of a topological space, is $K cap E_1$ compact? Is that always the case if $E_1, E_2$ are not disjoint?



I've seen other threads that have this, so I was wondering why the solution I thought of is incorrect:



Let $U_{alpha}$ be an open covering of $K$. Then because $K$ is compact, there is a finite subcovering $U_1, U_2, ldots, U_N in U_{alpha}$ that cover $K$. But then $U_1, ldots, U_N, E_1$ is a finite collection of open sets that covers $K$ and $E_1$, so it covers $K cap E_1$, and so $K cap E_1$ must be compact.







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  • If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are not disjoint, you might as well take $E_2=X$ (the whole space); so you're just asking, if $K$ is compact and $E_1$ is open, is $Kcap E_1$ compact?
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:05










  • If $E_1,E_2$ don't have to be disjoint, here is a counterexample: $K=[0,1]$, $E_1=(0,1)$, $E_2=mathbb R$. $E_1$ and $E_2$ are open subsets of the space $mathbb R$, $K$ is a compact subset of $E_1cup E_2$, but $Kcap E_1=E_1$ is not compact.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:08












  • If your argument were correct (which it is not), it would prove that any subset of a compact set is compact.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:09










  • Yes, I realize the conclusion of this "proof" is incorrect, but I was wondering where the flaw was that led to this false conclusion.
    – A. Smith
    Nov 14 at 8:10






  • 2




    To prove that $Kcap E_1$ is compact, you have to show that any open cover of $Kcap E_1$ has a finite subcover. Proving that an open cover of $K$ has a finite subcover doesn't do it.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:11




















  • If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are not disjoint, you might as well take $E_2=X$ (the whole space); so you're just asking, if $K$ is compact and $E_1$ is open, is $Kcap E_1$ compact?
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:05










  • If $E_1,E_2$ don't have to be disjoint, here is a counterexample: $K=[0,1]$, $E_1=(0,1)$, $E_2=mathbb R$. $E_1$ and $E_2$ are open subsets of the space $mathbb R$, $K$ is a compact subset of $E_1cup E_2$, but $Kcap E_1=E_1$ is not compact.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:08












  • If your argument were correct (which it is not), it would prove that any subset of a compact set is compact.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:09










  • Yes, I realize the conclusion of this "proof" is incorrect, but I was wondering where the flaw was that led to this false conclusion.
    – A. Smith
    Nov 14 at 8:10






  • 2




    To prove that $Kcap E_1$ is compact, you have to show that any open cover of $Kcap E_1$ has a finite subcover. Proving that an open cover of $K$ has a finite subcover doesn't do it.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:11


















If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are not disjoint, you might as well take $E_2=X$ (the whole space); so you're just asking, if $K$ is compact and $E_1$ is open, is $Kcap E_1$ compact?
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:05




If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are not disjoint, you might as well take $E_2=X$ (the whole space); so you're just asking, if $K$ is compact and $E_1$ is open, is $Kcap E_1$ compact?
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:05












If $E_1,E_2$ don't have to be disjoint, here is a counterexample: $K=[0,1]$, $E_1=(0,1)$, $E_2=mathbb R$. $E_1$ and $E_2$ are open subsets of the space $mathbb R$, $K$ is a compact subset of $E_1cup E_2$, but $Kcap E_1=E_1$ is not compact.
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:08






If $E_1,E_2$ don't have to be disjoint, here is a counterexample: $K=[0,1]$, $E_1=(0,1)$, $E_2=mathbb R$. $E_1$ and $E_2$ are open subsets of the space $mathbb R$, $K$ is a compact subset of $E_1cup E_2$, but $Kcap E_1=E_1$ is not compact.
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:08














If your argument were correct (which it is not), it would prove that any subset of a compact set is compact.
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:09




If your argument were correct (which it is not), it would prove that any subset of a compact set is compact.
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:09












Yes, I realize the conclusion of this "proof" is incorrect, but I was wondering where the flaw was that led to this false conclusion.
– A. Smith
Nov 14 at 8:10




Yes, I realize the conclusion of this "proof" is incorrect, but I was wondering where the flaw was that led to this false conclusion.
– A. Smith
Nov 14 at 8:10




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To prove that $Kcap E_1$ is compact, you have to show that any open cover of $Kcap E_1$ has a finite subcover. Proving that an open cover of $K$ has a finite subcover doesn't do it.
– bof
Nov 14 at 8:11






To prove that $Kcap E_1$ is compact, you have to show that any open cover of $Kcap E_1$ has a finite subcover. Proving that an open cover of $K$ has a finite subcover doesn't do it.
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Assuming that your space is Hausdorff $Ksetminus E_2=Kcap E_1$ and $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact. On second thoughts you don't need Hausdorff property!.






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  • Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
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  • @bof You are right.
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Your proof should start with a cover $mathcal{U}$ (WLOG by open sets of $X$) of $K cap E_1$, and produce a finite subcover of that:



Add the one set $E_2$ to $mathcal{U}$ and we have an open cover of $K$ (any set in $K$ lies in $E_1$ or $E_2$ and the first ones are covered by $mathcal{U}$ the other by $E_2$..) and so $mathcal{U} cup {E_2}$ has a finite subcover $mathcal{U}'$ and then $mathcal{U}'setminus {E_2}$ is still finite (smaller than the finite $mathcal{U}'$) and a subcover of $mathcal{U}$. So $K cap E_1$ is compact.



Alternatively note that $Kcap E_1 = K cap (Xsetminus E_2)$ and thus is a closed subset of the compact $K$ and hence compact too.






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    Assuming that your space is Hausdorff $Ksetminus E_2=Kcap E_1$ and $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact. On second thoughts you don't need Hausdorff property!.






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    • Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
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    Assuming that your space is Hausdorff $Ksetminus E_2=Kcap E_1$ and $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact. On second thoughts you don't need Hausdorff property!.






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    • Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
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    Assuming that your space is Hausdorff $Ksetminus E_2=Kcap E_1$ and $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact. On second thoughts you don't need Hausdorff property!.






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    Assuming that your space is Hausdorff $Ksetminus E_2=Kcap E_1$ and $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact. On second thoughts you don't need Hausdorff property!.







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    • Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
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    • @bof You are right.
      – Kavi Rama Murthy
      Nov 14 at 8:18


















    • Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
      – bof
      Nov 14 at 8:15










    • @bof You are right.
      – Kavi Rama Murthy
      Nov 14 at 8:18
















    Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:15




    Where do you think you need Hausdorff? If $E_1$ and $E_2$ are disjoint and $Ksubseteq E_1cup E_2$ then $Kcap E_1=Ksetminus E_2$ is just set theory. If $K$ is compact and $E_2$ is open then $Ksetminus E_2$ is compact in any topological space.
    – bof
    Nov 14 at 8:15












    @bof You are right.
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    @bof You are right.
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    Your proof should start with a cover $mathcal{U}$ (WLOG by open sets of $X$) of $K cap E_1$, and produce a finite subcover of that:



    Add the one set $E_2$ to $mathcal{U}$ and we have an open cover of $K$ (any set in $K$ lies in $E_1$ or $E_2$ and the first ones are covered by $mathcal{U}$ the other by $E_2$..) and so $mathcal{U} cup {E_2}$ has a finite subcover $mathcal{U}'$ and then $mathcal{U}'setminus {E_2}$ is still finite (smaller than the finite $mathcal{U}'$) and a subcover of $mathcal{U}$. So $K cap E_1$ is compact.



    Alternatively note that $Kcap E_1 = K cap (Xsetminus E_2)$ and thus is a closed subset of the compact $K$ and hence compact too.






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      Your proof should start with a cover $mathcal{U}$ (WLOG by open sets of $X$) of $K cap E_1$, and produce a finite subcover of that:



      Add the one set $E_2$ to $mathcal{U}$ and we have an open cover of $K$ (any set in $K$ lies in $E_1$ or $E_2$ and the first ones are covered by $mathcal{U}$ the other by $E_2$..) and so $mathcal{U} cup {E_2}$ has a finite subcover $mathcal{U}'$ and then $mathcal{U}'setminus {E_2}$ is still finite (smaller than the finite $mathcal{U}'$) and a subcover of $mathcal{U}$. So $K cap E_1$ is compact.



      Alternatively note that $Kcap E_1 = K cap (Xsetminus E_2)$ and thus is a closed subset of the compact $K$ and hence compact too.






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        Your proof should start with a cover $mathcal{U}$ (WLOG by open sets of $X$) of $K cap E_1$, and produce a finite subcover of that:



        Add the one set $E_2$ to $mathcal{U}$ and we have an open cover of $K$ (any set in $K$ lies in $E_1$ or $E_2$ and the first ones are covered by $mathcal{U}$ the other by $E_2$..) and so $mathcal{U} cup {E_2}$ has a finite subcover $mathcal{U}'$ and then $mathcal{U}'setminus {E_2}$ is still finite (smaller than the finite $mathcal{U}'$) and a subcover of $mathcal{U}$. So $K cap E_1$ is compact.



        Alternatively note that $Kcap E_1 = K cap (Xsetminus E_2)$ and thus is a closed subset of the compact $K$ and hence compact too.






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        Your proof should start with a cover $mathcal{U}$ (WLOG by open sets of $X$) of $K cap E_1$, and produce a finite subcover of that:



        Add the one set $E_2$ to $mathcal{U}$ and we have an open cover of $K$ (any set in $K$ lies in $E_1$ or $E_2$ and the first ones are covered by $mathcal{U}$ the other by $E_2$..) and so $mathcal{U} cup {E_2}$ has a finite subcover $mathcal{U}'$ and then $mathcal{U}'setminus {E_2}$ is still finite (smaller than the finite $mathcal{U}'$) and a subcover of $mathcal{U}$. So $K cap E_1$ is compact.



        Alternatively note that $Kcap E_1 = K cap (Xsetminus E_2)$ and thus is a closed subset of the compact $K$ and hence compact too.







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