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If $X_1, ..., X_{n+1}$ are independent real random variables and $h:mathbb{R}^{n+1} to mathbb{R}$ a Borel function. Now taking the conditional expectation $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$



Assuming $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ show that if
$g(x_1, ldots, x_n) = mathbb{E}[h(x_1, ldots, x_n, X_{n+1})]$ then
$g(X_1, ldots, X_n)$ is a version of $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$.



The claim would follow from the definition of conditional expectation, if we can show that
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_{n}) mathbf{1}_G], $$
for all $G in sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)$.



What I tried so far is trying to expand the expectations and rewrite them with Fubini's theorem.



Assuming the underlying probability space is $(Omega, mathcal{F}, P)$.
I thought I could rewrite with a restricted push forward $P_{|G}^{X_i}(A) = P(X_i^{-1}(A) cap G)$ to get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} $$
All variables are $X_i$ independet so we can factor $dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} = d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i}$.



$$ = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i} = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1}in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=1}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$



Now $P_{|G}^{X_{n+1}}(A) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A)cap G) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A))P(G)$, since $sigma(X_{n+1})$ and $sigma(X_1,ldots, X_n)$ are independet. Since $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ Fubini applies and we get



$$ int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$
$$ = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n}) in mathbb{R}^n} E[h(x_1, ldots, X_{n+1})] d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^n} g(x_1, ldots, x_n) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G]. $$



So I the end I get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G],$$ which is wrong according to the claim!



I can't spot my mistake. So is the claim really true and if so where do I mess up?










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  • There is no reason to use $P_{|G}$.
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    Nov 10 at 21:51












  • Thank you @d.k.o. ! I realized my way of handling the indicator function $mathbf{1}_G$ in the expectation was not correct. Indeed digging a bit deeper I found the better way, described here math.stackexchange.com/a/1176339/15417 .
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If $X_1, ..., X_{n+1}$ are independent real random variables and $h:mathbb{R}^{n+1} to mathbb{R}$ a Borel function. Now taking the conditional expectation $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$



Assuming $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ show that if
$g(x_1, ldots, x_n) = mathbb{E}[h(x_1, ldots, x_n, X_{n+1})]$ then
$g(X_1, ldots, X_n)$ is a version of $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$.



The claim would follow from the definition of conditional expectation, if we can show that
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_{n}) mathbf{1}_G], $$
for all $G in sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)$.



What I tried so far is trying to expand the expectations and rewrite them with Fubini's theorem.



Assuming the underlying probability space is $(Omega, mathcal{F}, P)$.
I thought I could rewrite with a restricted push forward $P_{|G}^{X_i}(A) = P(X_i^{-1}(A) cap G)$ to get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} $$
All variables are $X_i$ independet so we can factor $dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} = d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i}$.



$$ = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i} = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1}in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=1}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$



Now $P_{|G}^{X_{n+1}}(A) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A)cap G) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A))P(G)$, since $sigma(X_{n+1})$ and $sigma(X_1,ldots, X_n)$ are independet. Since $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ Fubini applies and we get



$$ int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$
$$ = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n}) in mathbb{R}^n} E[h(x_1, ldots, X_{n+1})] d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^n} g(x_1, ldots, x_n) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G]. $$



So I the end I get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G],$$ which is wrong according to the claim!



I can't spot my mistake. So is the claim really true and if so where do I mess up?










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  • There is no reason to use $P_{|G}$.
    – d.k.o.
    Nov 10 at 21:51












  • Thank you @d.k.o. ! I realized my way of handling the indicator function $mathbf{1}_G$ in the expectation was not correct. Indeed digging a bit deeper I found the better way, described here math.stackexchange.com/a/1176339/15417 .
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    Nov 11 at 11:41













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If $X_1, ..., X_{n+1}$ are independent real random variables and $h:mathbb{R}^{n+1} to mathbb{R}$ a Borel function. Now taking the conditional expectation $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$



Assuming $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ show that if
$g(x_1, ldots, x_n) = mathbb{E}[h(x_1, ldots, x_n, X_{n+1})]$ then
$g(X_1, ldots, X_n)$ is a version of $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$.



The claim would follow from the definition of conditional expectation, if we can show that
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_{n}) mathbf{1}_G], $$
for all $G in sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)$.



What I tried so far is trying to expand the expectations and rewrite them with Fubini's theorem.



Assuming the underlying probability space is $(Omega, mathcal{F}, P)$.
I thought I could rewrite with a restricted push forward $P_{|G}^{X_i}(A) = P(X_i^{-1}(A) cap G)$ to get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} $$
All variables are $X_i$ independet so we can factor $dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} = d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i}$.



$$ = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i} = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1}in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=1}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$



Now $P_{|G}^{X_{n+1}}(A) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A)cap G) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A))P(G)$, since $sigma(X_{n+1})$ and $sigma(X_1,ldots, X_n)$ are independet. Since $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ Fubini applies and we get



$$ int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$
$$ = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n}) in mathbb{R}^n} E[h(x_1, ldots, X_{n+1})] d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^n} g(x_1, ldots, x_n) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G]. $$



So I the end I get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G],$$ which is wrong according to the claim!



I can't spot my mistake. So is the claim really true and if so where do I mess up?










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If $X_1, ..., X_{n+1}$ are independent real random variables and $h:mathbb{R}^{n+1} to mathbb{R}$ a Borel function. Now taking the conditional expectation $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$



Assuming $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ show that if
$g(x_1, ldots, x_n) = mathbb{E}[h(x_1, ldots, x_n, X_{n+1})]$ then
$g(X_1, ldots, X_n)$ is a version of $mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})| sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)]$.



The claim would follow from the definition of conditional expectation, if we can show that
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_{n}) mathbf{1}_G], $$
for all $G in sigma(X_1, ldots, X_n)$.



What I tried so far is trying to expand the expectations and rewrite them with Fubini's theorem.



Assuming the underlying probability space is $(Omega, mathcal{F}, P)$.
I thought I could rewrite with a restricted push forward $P_{|G}^{X_i}(A) = P(X_i^{-1}(A) cap G)$ to get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} $$
All variables are $X_i$ independet so we can factor $dP_{|G}^{X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}} = d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i}$.



$$ = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n+1})in mathbb{R}^{n+1}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) d Pi_{i=1}^{n+1} P_{|G}^{X_i} = int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1}in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=1}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$



Now $P_{|G}^{X_{n+1}}(A) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A)cap G) = P(X_{n+1}^{-1}(A))P(G)$, since $sigma(X_{n+1})$ and $sigma(X_1,ldots, X_n)$ are independet. Since $mathbb{E}[|h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1})|] < infty $ Fubini applies and we get



$$ int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^{n}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP_{|G}^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}} left(int_{x_{n+1} in mathbb{R}} h(x_1, ldots, x_{n+1}) dP^{X_{n+1}} right) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} $$
$$ = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n}) in mathbb{R}^n} E[h(x_1, ldots, X_{n+1})] d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G) int_{(x_1, ldots x_{n})in mathbb{R}^n} g(x_1, ldots, x_n) d Pi_{i=0}^{n} P_{|G}^{X_i} = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G]. $$



So I the end I get
$$ mathbb{E}[h(X_1, ldots, X_{n+1}) mathbf{1}_G] = P(G)mathbb{E}[g(X_1, ldots, X_n) mathbf{1}_G],$$ which is wrong according to the claim!



I can't spot my mistake. So is the claim really true and if so where do I mess up?







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  • There is no reason to use $P_{|G}$.
    – d.k.o.
    Nov 10 at 21:51












  • Thank you @d.k.o. ! I realized my way of handling the indicator function $mathbf{1}_G$ in the expectation was not correct. Indeed digging a bit deeper I found the better way, described here math.stackexchange.com/a/1176339/15417 .
    – Eberhardt
    Nov 11 at 11:41


















  • There is no reason to use $P_{|G}$.
    – d.k.o.
    Nov 10 at 21:51












  • Thank you @d.k.o. ! I realized my way of handling the indicator function $mathbf{1}_G$ in the expectation was not correct. Indeed digging a bit deeper I found the better way, described here math.stackexchange.com/a/1176339/15417 .
    – Eberhardt
    Nov 11 at 11:41
















There is no reason to use $P_{|G}$.
– d.k.o.
Nov 10 at 21:51






There is no reason to use $P_{|G}$.
– d.k.o.
Nov 10 at 21:51














Thank you @d.k.o. ! I realized my way of handling the indicator function $mathbf{1}_G$ in the expectation was not correct. Indeed digging a bit deeper I found the better way, described here math.stackexchange.com/a/1176339/15417 .
– Eberhardt
Nov 11 at 11:41




Thank you @d.k.o. ! I realized my way of handling the indicator function $mathbf{1}_G$ in the expectation was not correct. Indeed digging a bit deeper I found the better way, described here math.stackexchange.com/a/1176339/15417 .
– Eberhardt
Nov 11 at 11:41










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Denote $X=(X_1,dots,X_n)sim mu$ and $Y=X_{n+1}sim nu$, then $X,Y$ are independent and $(X,Y)sim mu times nu$. Also,
$$ g(x)=int_{mathbb{R}}h(x,y)nu(dy) quad xin mathbb{R}^n.$$ Thus $$g(X)=mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)|X].$$



In fact, $g(X)$ is $sigma(X)$-measurable and
$$ mathbb{E}[g(X)1_{{Xin A}}]=
mathbb{E}[g(X)1_A(X)]= int_{mathbb{R}^n} g(x)1_A(x) mu(dx)=int_{mathbb{R}^n} left( int_{mathbb{R}} h(x,y)nu(dy)right)1_A(x)mu(dx) = int_{mathbb{R}^ntimes mathbb{R}} h(x,y)1_A(x)mutimes nu(dxtimes dy) = mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_A(X)]=
mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_{{Xin A}}]$$
for all $Ain mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$.






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    Denote $X=(X_1,dots,X_n)sim mu$ and $Y=X_{n+1}sim nu$, then $X,Y$ are independent and $(X,Y)sim mu times nu$. Also,
    $$ g(x)=int_{mathbb{R}}h(x,y)nu(dy) quad xin mathbb{R}^n.$$ Thus $$g(X)=mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)|X].$$



    In fact, $g(X)$ is $sigma(X)$-measurable and
    $$ mathbb{E}[g(X)1_{{Xin A}}]=
    mathbb{E}[g(X)1_A(X)]= int_{mathbb{R}^n} g(x)1_A(x) mu(dx)=int_{mathbb{R}^n} left( int_{mathbb{R}} h(x,y)nu(dy)right)1_A(x)mu(dx) = int_{mathbb{R}^ntimes mathbb{R}} h(x,y)1_A(x)mutimes nu(dxtimes dy) = mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_A(X)]=
    mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_{{Xin A}}]$$
    for all $Ain mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$.






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      Denote $X=(X_1,dots,X_n)sim mu$ and $Y=X_{n+1}sim nu$, then $X,Y$ are independent and $(X,Y)sim mu times nu$. Also,
      $$ g(x)=int_{mathbb{R}}h(x,y)nu(dy) quad xin mathbb{R}^n.$$ Thus $$g(X)=mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)|X].$$



      In fact, $g(X)$ is $sigma(X)$-measurable and
      $$ mathbb{E}[g(X)1_{{Xin A}}]=
      mathbb{E}[g(X)1_A(X)]= int_{mathbb{R}^n} g(x)1_A(x) mu(dx)=int_{mathbb{R}^n} left( int_{mathbb{R}} h(x,y)nu(dy)right)1_A(x)mu(dx) = int_{mathbb{R}^ntimes mathbb{R}} h(x,y)1_A(x)mutimes nu(dxtimes dy) = mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_A(X)]=
      mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_{{Xin A}}]$$
      for all $Ain mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$.






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        Denote $X=(X_1,dots,X_n)sim mu$ and $Y=X_{n+1}sim nu$, then $X,Y$ are independent and $(X,Y)sim mu times nu$. Also,
        $$ g(x)=int_{mathbb{R}}h(x,y)nu(dy) quad xin mathbb{R}^n.$$ Thus $$g(X)=mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)|X].$$



        In fact, $g(X)$ is $sigma(X)$-measurable and
        $$ mathbb{E}[g(X)1_{{Xin A}}]=
        mathbb{E}[g(X)1_A(X)]= int_{mathbb{R}^n} g(x)1_A(x) mu(dx)=int_{mathbb{R}^n} left( int_{mathbb{R}} h(x,y)nu(dy)right)1_A(x)mu(dx) = int_{mathbb{R}^ntimes mathbb{R}} h(x,y)1_A(x)mutimes nu(dxtimes dy) = mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_A(X)]=
        mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_{{Xin A}}]$$
        for all $Ain mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$.






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        Denote $X=(X_1,dots,X_n)sim mu$ and $Y=X_{n+1}sim nu$, then $X,Y$ are independent and $(X,Y)sim mu times nu$. Also,
        $$ g(x)=int_{mathbb{R}}h(x,y)nu(dy) quad xin mathbb{R}^n.$$ Thus $$g(X)=mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)|X].$$



        In fact, $g(X)$ is $sigma(X)$-measurable and
        $$ mathbb{E}[g(X)1_{{Xin A}}]=
        mathbb{E}[g(X)1_A(X)]= int_{mathbb{R}^n} g(x)1_A(x) mu(dx)=int_{mathbb{R}^n} left( int_{mathbb{R}} h(x,y)nu(dy)right)1_A(x)mu(dx) = int_{mathbb{R}^ntimes mathbb{R}} h(x,y)1_A(x)mutimes nu(dxtimes dy) = mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_A(X)]=
        mathbb{E}[h(X,Y)1_{{Xin A}}]$$
        for all $Ain mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$.







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