$mathrm{Log}(prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k))=sum_{k=1}^n (mathrm{Log}(1+a_k))$











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Let $a_1,ldots a_nin mathbb{C}$, $|a_j|<1$
for each $j=1,ldots n$ such that $left| prod_{k=1}^j (1+a_k)-1 right| < 1$.



Show that



$$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)right)=sum_{k=1}^n (mathrm{Log}(1+a_k))$$



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    Forgive me If I'm wrong. I think you should have to apply log property $log ab=log a+log b$
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  • Hi, I think the principal value Log still has most of the same properties so might be able to do what @IEDCPHY had said
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  • @IEDCPHY It is not true that $Log , ab =Log, a +Log, b$ for all non-zero complex numbers $a,b$ so the question is not entirely trivial.
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Let $a_1,ldots a_nin mathbb{C}$, $|a_j|<1$
for each $j=1,ldots n$ such that $left| prod_{k=1}^j (1+a_k)-1 right| < 1$.



Show that



$$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)right)=sum_{k=1}^n (mathrm{Log}(1+a_k))$$



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    Forgive me If I'm wrong. I think you should have to apply log property $log ab=log a+log b$
    – IEDC PHY
    Nov 14 at 21:57










  • Hi, I think the principal value Log still has most of the same properties so might be able to do what @IEDCPHY had said
    – Questlove
    Nov 14 at 22:37










  • @IEDCPHY It is not true that $Log , ab =Log, a +Log, b$ for all non-zero complex numbers $a,b$ so the question is not entirely trivial.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 14 at 23:49















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Let $a_1,ldots a_nin mathbb{C}$, $|a_j|<1$
for each $j=1,ldots n$ such that $left| prod_{k=1}^j (1+a_k)-1 right| < 1$.



Show that



$$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)right)=sum_{k=1}^n (mathrm{Log}(1+a_k))$$



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Let $a_1,ldots a_nin mathbb{C}$, $|a_j|<1$
for each $j=1,ldots n$ such that $left| prod_{k=1}^j (1+a_k)-1 right| < 1$.



Show that



$$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)right)=sum_{k=1}^n (mathrm{Log}(1+a_k))$$



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    Forgive me If I'm wrong. I think you should have to apply log property $log ab=log a+log b$
    – IEDC PHY
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  • Hi, I think the principal value Log still has most of the same properties so might be able to do what @IEDCPHY had said
    – Questlove
    Nov 14 at 22:37










  • @IEDCPHY It is not true that $Log , ab =Log, a +Log, b$ for all non-zero complex numbers $a,b$ so the question is not entirely trivial.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 14 at 23:49




















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    – user559615
    Nov 14 at 20:43






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    Forgive me If I'm wrong. I think you should have to apply log property $log ab=log a+log b$
    – IEDC PHY
    Nov 14 at 21:57










  • Hi, I think the principal value Log still has most of the same properties so might be able to do what @IEDCPHY had said
    – Questlove
    Nov 14 at 22:37










  • @IEDCPHY It is not true that $Log , ab =Log, a +Log, b$ for all non-zero complex numbers $a,b$ so the question is not entirely trivial.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 14 at 23:49


















Welcome to Maths SX! Please type your formulæ using MathJax.
– Bernard
Nov 14 at 20:34




Welcome to Maths SX! Please type your formulæ using MathJax.
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As @Bernard said, try to use MathJax (or Latex) for the mathematical formulae. This time, I edited your post, and you can have an idea how to do it. Good luck, and welcome to MSE!
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Nov 14 at 20:43




As @Bernard said, try to use MathJax (or Latex) for the mathematical formulae. This time, I edited your post, and you can have an idea how to do it. Good luck, and welcome to MSE!
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Forgive me If I'm wrong. I think you should have to apply log property $log ab=log a+log b$
– IEDC PHY
Nov 14 at 21:57




Forgive me If I'm wrong. I think you should have to apply log property $log ab=log a+log b$
– IEDC PHY
Nov 14 at 21:57












Hi, I think the principal value Log still has most of the same properties so might be able to do what @IEDCPHY had said
– Questlove
Nov 14 at 22:37




Hi, I think the principal value Log still has most of the same properties so might be able to do what @IEDCPHY had said
– Questlove
Nov 14 at 22:37












@IEDCPHY It is not true that $Log , ab =Log, a +Log, b$ for all non-zero complex numbers $a,b$ so the question is not entirely trivial.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 14 at 23:49






@IEDCPHY It is not true that $Log , ab =Log, a +Log, b$ for all non-zero complex numbers $a,b$ so the question is not entirely trivial.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 14 at 23:49












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Let $mathrm{Log}$ denote the (holomorphic) principal branch of the complex logarithm, defined on $G = { z in mathbb{C} mid z notin (-infty,0] }$, whose imaginary part lies in the interval $(-pi,pi)$. This means that for $z in (0,infty)$ the value of $mathrm{Log}(z)$ is the ordinary real logarithm of $z$.



Let us start with $n = 2$. Since $lvert a_1 rvert, lvert a_2 rvert < 1$, we see that $1 + a_j$ have positive real parts so that we can write $1 + a_j = r_je^{iphi_j}$ with $r_j >0$ and $phi_j in (-frac{pi}{2}, frac{pi}{2})$. Therefore $phi_1 + phi_2 ne -pi$ and we conclude $(1+a_1)(1+a_2) in G$. Let $D = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z rvert < 1 }$ and define
$$f : D times D to mathbb{C}, f(z_1,z_2) = mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) - sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) .$$
We have $e^{f(z_1,z_2)} = 1$ for all $z_1,z_2$, hence $f$ must have values in $2pi i mathbb{Z} = { 2 pi i k mid k in mathbb{Z} }$. Since $f$ is continuous and $D times D$ is connected, also $f(D times D)$ is connected, and this implies that $f$ must be constant. But $f(0,0) = 0$ which proves that $f equiv 0$. Thus the claim is true for $n=2$.



Note that it is essential that $mathrm{Log}$ was chosen as the principal branch, otherwise we would have $mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) = sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) + 2pi i l$ for some fixed $l ne 0$. In fact, if $mathrm{Log}$ is a different branch on $G$, then $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some fixed $k ne 0$ and therefore $f equiv f(0,0) = -2pi i k$.



We finish the proof by induction. The equation is true for $n=1,2$. Assume it is true for some $n ge 2$. For $n+1$ we argue as follows.



Let $b = prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)-1$. Then $lvert b rvert < 1$ and $ prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k) = (1+b)(1+a_{n+1})$. Hence
$$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k)right) = mathrm{Log}left((1+b) (1+a_{n+1})right) = mathrm{Log}(1+b) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1})$$
$$= sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1}) = sum_{k=1}^{n+1} mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) .$$



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We can reformulate the above "theorem" as follows.



Let $U = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z - 1 rvert < 1 } subset G$ be the open disk with center $1$ and radius $1$, and let $mathrm{Log}$ be a holomorphic branch of the logarithm on $G$. It is uniquely determined by the value $mathrm{Log}(1)$ which has the form $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some $k in mathbb{Z}$.



If $A_1,dots,A_n in U$ and $prod_{k=1}^j A_k in U$ for $j =1,dots,n$, then
$$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n A_k right) = sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}A_k - (n-1) cdot2 pi i k .$$
This is proved as above. Now set $a_k = A_k-1$.






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    Let $mathrm{Log}$ denote the (holomorphic) principal branch of the complex logarithm, defined on $G = { z in mathbb{C} mid z notin (-infty,0] }$, whose imaginary part lies in the interval $(-pi,pi)$. This means that for $z in (0,infty)$ the value of $mathrm{Log}(z)$ is the ordinary real logarithm of $z$.



    Let us start with $n = 2$. Since $lvert a_1 rvert, lvert a_2 rvert < 1$, we see that $1 + a_j$ have positive real parts so that we can write $1 + a_j = r_je^{iphi_j}$ with $r_j >0$ and $phi_j in (-frac{pi}{2}, frac{pi}{2})$. Therefore $phi_1 + phi_2 ne -pi$ and we conclude $(1+a_1)(1+a_2) in G$. Let $D = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z rvert < 1 }$ and define
    $$f : D times D to mathbb{C}, f(z_1,z_2) = mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) - sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) .$$
    We have $e^{f(z_1,z_2)} = 1$ for all $z_1,z_2$, hence $f$ must have values in $2pi i mathbb{Z} = { 2 pi i k mid k in mathbb{Z} }$. Since $f$ is continuous and $D times D$ is connected, also $f(D times D)$ is connected, and this implies that $f$ must be constant. But $f(0,0) = 0$ which proves that $f equiv 0$. Thus the claim is true for $n=2$.



    Note that it is essential that $mathrm{Log}$ was chosen as the principal branch, otherwise we would have $mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) = sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) + 2pi i l$ for some fixed $l ne 0$. In fact, if $mathrm{Log}$ is a different branch on $G$, then $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some fixed $k ne 0$ and therefore $f equiv f(0,0) = -2pi i k$.



    We finish the proof by induction. The equation is true for $n=1,2$. Assume it is true for some $n ge 2$. For $n+1$ we argue as follows.



    Let $b = prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)-1$. Then $lvert b rvert < 1$ and $ prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k) = (1+b)(1+a_{n+1})$. Hence
    $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k)right) = mathrm{Log}left((1+b) (1+a_{n+1})right) = mathrm{Log}(1+b) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1})$$
    $$= sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1}) = sum_{k=1}^{n+1} mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) .$$



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    We can reformulate the above "theorem" as follows.



    Let $U = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z - 1 rvert < 1 } subset G$ be the open disk with center $1$ and radius $1$, and let $mathrm{Log}$ be a holomorphic branch of the logarithm on $G$. It is uniquely determined by the value $mathrm{Log}(1)$ which has the form $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some $k in mathbb{Z}$.



    If $A_1,dots,A_n in U$ and $prod_{k=1}^j A_k in U$ for $j =1,dots,n$, then
    $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n A_k right) = sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}A_k - (n-1) cdot2 pi i k .$$
    This is proved as above. Now set $a_k = A_k-1$.






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      Let $mathrm{Log}$ denote the (holomorphic) principal branch of the complex logarithm, defined on $G = { z in mathbb{C} mid z notin (-infty,0] }$, whose imaginary part lies in the interval $(-pi,pi)$. This means that for $z in (0,infty)$ the value of $mathrm{Log}(z)$ is the ordinary real logarithm of $z$.



      Let us start with $n = 2$. Since $lvert a_1 rvert, lvert a_2 rvert < 1$, we see that $1 + a_j$ have positive real parts so that we can write $1 + a_j = r_je^{iphi_j}$ with $r_j >0$ and $phi_j in (-frac{pi}{2}, frac{pi}{2})$. Therefore $phi_1 + phi_2 ne -pi$ and we conclude $(1+a_1)(1+a_2) in G$. Let $D = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z rvert < 1 }$ and define
      $$f : D times D to mathbb{C}, f(z_1,z_2) = mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) - sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) .$$
      We have $e^{f(z_1,z_2)} = 1$ for all $z_1,z_2$, hence $f$ must have values in $2pi i mathbb{Z} = { 2 pi i k mid k in mathbb{Z} }$. Since $f$ is continuous and $D times D$ is connected, also $f(D times D)$ is connected, and this implies that $f$ must be constant. But $f(0,0) = 0$ which proves that $f equiv 0$. Thus the claim is true for $n=2$.



      Note that it is essential that $mathrm{Log}$ was chosen as the principal branch, otherwise we would have $mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) = sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) + 2pi i l$ for some fixed $l ne 0$. In fact, if $mathrm{Log}$ is a different branch on $G$, then $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some fixed $k ne 0$ and therefore $f equiv f(0,0) = -2pi i k$.



      We finish the proof by induction. The equation is true for $n=1,2$. Assume it is true for some $n ge 2$. For $n+1$ we argue as follows.



      Let $b = prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)-1$. Then $lvert b rvert < 1$ and $ prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k) = (1+b)(1+a_{n+1})$. Hence
      $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k)right) = mathrm{Log}left((1+b) (1+a_{n+1})right) = mathrm{Log}(1+b) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1})$$
      $$= sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1}) = sum_{k=1}^{n+1} mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) .$$



      ADDED:



      We can reformulate the above "theorem" as follows.



      Let $U = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z - 1 rvert < 1 } subset G$ be the open disk with center $1$ and radius $1$, and let $mathrm{Log}$ be a holomorphic branch of the logarithm on $G$. It is uniquely determined by the value $mathrm{Log}(1)$ which has the form $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some $k in mathbb{Z}$.



      If $A_1,dots,A_n in U$ and $prod_{k=1}^j A_k in U$ for $j =1,dots,n$, then
      $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n A_k right) = sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}A_k - (n-1) cdot2 pi i k .$$
      This is proved as above. Now set $a_k = A_k-1$.






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        Let $mathrm{Log}$ denote the (holomorphic) principal branch of the complex logarithm, defined on $G = { z in mathbb{C} mid z notin (-infty,0] }$, whose imaginary part lies in the interval $(-pi,pi)$. This means that for $z in (0,infty)$ the value of $mathrm{Log}(z)$ is the ordinary real logarithm of $z$.



        Let us start with $n = 2$. Since $lvert a_1 rvert, lvert a_2 rvert < 1$, we see that $1 + a_j$ have positive real parts so that we can write $1 + a_j = r_je^{iphi_j}$ with $r_j >0$ and $phi_j in (-frac{pi}{2}, frac{pi}{2})$. Therefore $phi_1 + phi_2 ne -pi$ and we conclude $(1+a_1)(1+a_2) in G$. Let $D = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z rvert < 1 }$ and define
        $$f : D times D to mathbb{C}, f(z_1,z_2) = mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) - sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) .$$
        We have $e^{f(z_1,z_2)} = 1$ for all $z_1,z_2$, hence $f$ must have values in $2pi i mathbb{Z} = { 2 pi i k mid k in mathbb{Z} }$. Since $f$ is continuous and $D times D$ is connected, also $f(D times D)$ is connected, and this implies that $f$ must be constant. But $f(0,0) = 0$ which proves that $f equiv 0$. Thus the claim is true for $n=2$.



        Note that it is essential that $mathrm{Log}$ was chosen as the principal branch, otherwise we would have $mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) = sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) + 2pi i l$ for some fixed $l ne 0$. In fact, if $mathrm{Log}$ is a different branch on $G$, then $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some fixed $k ne 0$ and therefore $f equiv f(0,0) = -2pi i k$.



        We finish the proof by induction. The equation is true for $n=1,2$. Assume it is true for some $n ge 2$. For $n+1$ we argue as follows.



        Let $b = prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)-1$. Then $lvert b rvert < 1$ and $ prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k) = (1+b)(1+a_{n+1})$. Hence
        $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k)right) = mathrm{Log}left((1+b) (1+a_{n+1})right) = mathrm{Log}(1+b) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1})$$
        $$= sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1}) = sum_{k=1}^{n+1} mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) .$$



        ADDED:



        We can reformulate the above "theorem" as follows.



        Let $U = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z - 1 rvert < 1 } subset G$ be the open disk with center $1$ and radius $1$, and let $mathrm{Log}$ be a holomorphic branch of the logarithm on $G$. It is uniquely determined by the value $mathrm{Log}(1)$ which has the form $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some $k in mathbb{Z}$.



        If $A_1,dots,A_n in U$ and $prod_{k=1}^j A_k in U$ for $j =1,dots,n$, then
        $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n A_k right) = sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}A_k - (n-1) cdot2 pi i k .$$
        This is proved as above. Now set $a_k = A_k-1$.






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        Let $mathrm{Log}$ denote the (holomorphic) principal branch of the complex logarithm, defined on $G = { z in mathbb{C} mid z notin (-infty,0] }$, whose imaginary part lies in the interval $(-pi,pi)$. This means that for $z in (0,infty)$ the value of $mathrm{Log}(z)$ is the ordinary real logarithm of $z$.



        Let us start with $n = 2$. Since $lvert a_1 rvert, lvert a_2 rvert < 1$, we see that $1 + a_j$ have positive real parts so that we can write $1 + a_j = r_je^{iphi_j}$ with $r_j >0$ and $phi_j in (-frac{pi}{2}, frac{pi}{2})$. Therefore $phi_1 + phi_2 ne -pi$ and we conclude $(1+a_1)(1+a_2) in G$. Let $D = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z rvert < 1 }$ and define
        $$f : D times D to mathbb{C}, f(z_1,z_2) = mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) - sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) .$$
        We have $e^{f(z_1,z_2)} = 1$ for all $z_1,z_2$, hence $f$ must have values in $2pi i mathbb{Z} = { 2 pi i k mid k in mathbb{Z} }$. Since $f$ is continuous and $D times D$ is connected, also $f(D times D)$ is connected, and this implies that $f$ must be constant. But $f(0,0) = 0$ which proves that $f equiv 0$. Thus the claim is true for $n=2$.



        Note that it is essential that $mathrm{Log}$ was chosen as the principal branch, otherwise we would have $mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^2 (1+z_k)right) = sum_{k=1}^2 mathrm{Log}(1+z_k) + 2pi i l$ for some fixed $l ne 0$. In fact, if $mathrm{Log}$ is a different branch on $G$, then $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some fixed $k ne 0$ and therefore $f equiv f(0,0) = -2pi i k$.



        We finish the proof by induction. The equation is true for $n=1,2$. Assume it is true for some $n ge 2$. For $n+1$ we argue as follows.



        Let $b = prod_{k=1}^n (1+a_k)-1$. Then $lvert b rvert < 1$ and $ prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k) = (1+b)(1+a_{n+1})$. Hence
        $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^{n+1} (1+a_k)right) = mathrm{Log}left((1+b) (1+a_{n+1})right) = mathrm{Log}(1+b) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1})$$
        $$= sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) + mathrm{Log} (1+a_{n+1}) = sum_{k=1}^{n+1} mathrm{Log}(1+a_k) .$$



        ADDED:



        We can reformulate the above "theorem" as follows.



        Let $U = { z in mathbb{C} mid lvert z - 1 rvert < 1 } subset G$ be the open disk with center $1$ and radius $1$, and let $mathrm{Log}$ be a holomorphic branch of the logarithm on $G$. It is uniquely determined by the value $mathrm{Log}(1)$ which has the form $mathrm{Log}(1) = 2 pi i k$ for some $k in mathbb{Z}$.



        If $A_1,dots,A_n in U$ and $prod_{k=1}^j A_k in U$ for $j =1,dots,n$, then
        $$mathrm{Log}left(prod_{k=1}^n A_k right) = sum_{k=1}^n mathrm{Log}A_k - (n-1) cdot2 pi i k .$$
        This is proved as above. Now set $a_k = A_k-1$.







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