What does $(a,b)_{zeta}$ correspond to in $mathrm{Br}(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$











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Let $p$ be a prime number, let $mathbb{Q}_p$ be the local field, by Hensel's lemma, we know it has $p-1$-th roots of unity, let $zeta$ be a fixed primitive $p-1$-th root of unity in $mathbb{Q}_p$.



Let $a,binmathbb{Q}_p^*$, let $(a,b)_{zeta}$ be the cyclic algebra defined by $mathbb{Q}_plangle x,y|x^{p-1}=a,y^{p-1}=b, xy=zeta yxrangle$.



Is there an explicit way to tell which class $[(a,b)_zeta]inmathrm{Br}(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is? (For example, when $a,binmathbb{Q}$, how does the two rational numbers determine an element in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$?)










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  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_symbol
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  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But for example how could one calculate $(2,3)_5$ explicitly?
    – Qixiao
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  • @QiaochuYuan Sorry this may be a stupid question, but I feel confused: from the wikipedia description, the Hilbert symbol is expressed by Legendre symbols, $(a,b)_p=(-1)^{alphabetaepsilon(p)}(frac{u}{p})^{beta}(frac{v}{p})^{alpha}$, but it seems this expression only take $pm1$, but $Br(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$.
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  • That section is about the quadratic Hilbert symbol, which corresponds to $2$-torsion in the Brauer group. Scroll down further for the general Hilbert symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 14 at 19:56












  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But is the Artin symbol easier to calculate explicitly? For example we have two integers $2,3inmathbb{Z}$ and a $4$-th root of unity $zeta$ in $mathbb{Q}_5$, is there an explicit way to determine what the class of $(2,3)_{zeta}$ in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is?(As for quadratic symbols, this can be determined by solution of a degenerate conic)
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Let $p$ be a prime number, let $mathbb{Q}_p$ be the local field, by Hensel's lemma, we know it has $p-1$-th roots of unity, let $zeta$ be a fixed primitive $p-1$-th root of unity in $mathbb{Q}_p$.



Let $a,binmathbb{Q}_p^*$, let $(a,b)_{zeta}$ be the cyclic algebra defined by $mathbb{Q}_plangle x,y|x^{p-1}=a,y^{p-1}=b, xy=zeta yxrangle$.



Is there an explicit way to tell which class $[(a,b)_zeta]inmathrm{Br}(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is? (For example, when $a,binmathbb{Q}$, how does the two rational numbers determine an element in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$?)










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  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 13 at 22:49










  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But for example how could one calculate $(2,3)_5$ explicitly?
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 17:15










  • @QiaochuYuan Sorry this may be a stupid question, but I feel confused: from the wikipedia description, the Hilbert symbol is expressed by Legendre symbols, $(a,b)_p=(-1)^{alphabetaepsilon(p)}(frac{u}{p})^{beta}(frac{v}{p})^{alpha}$, but it seems this expression only take $pm1$, but $Br(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$.
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 17:37












  • That section is about the quadratic Hilbert symbol, which corresponds to $2$-torsion in the Brauer group. Scroll down further for the general Hilbert symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 14 at 19:56












  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But is the Artin symbol easier to calculate explicitly? For example we have two integers $2,3inmathbb{Z}$ and a $4$-th root of unity $zeta$ in $mathbb{Q}_5$, is there an explicit way to determine what the class of $(2,3)_{zeta}$ in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is?(As for quadratic symbols, this can be determined by solution of a degenerate conic)
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 20:12















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Let $p$ be a prime number, let $mathbb{Q}_p$ be the local field, by Hensel's lemma, we know it has $p-1$-th roots of unity, let $zeta$ be a fixed primitive $p-1$-th root of unity in $mathbb{Q}_p$.



Let $a,binmathbb{Q}_p^*$, let $(a,b)_{zeta}$ be the cyclic algebra defined by $mathbb{Q}_plangle x,y|x^{p-1}=a,y^{p-1}=b, xy=zeta yxrangle$.



Is there an explicit way to tell which class $[(a,b)_zeta]inmathrm{Br}(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is? (For example, when $a,binmathbb{Q}$, how does the two rational numbers determine an element in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$?)










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Let $p$ be a prime number, let $mathbb{Q}_p$ be the local field, by Hensel's lemma, we know it has $p-1$-th roots of unity, let $zeta$ be a fixed primitive $p-1$-th root of unity in $mathbb{Q}_p$.



Let $a,binmathbb{Q}_p^*$, let $(a,b)_{zeta}$ be the cyclic algebra defined by $mathbb{Q}_plangle x,y|x^{p-1}=a,y^{p-1}=b, xy=zeta yxrangle$.



Is there an explicit way to tell which class $[(a,b)_zeta]inmathrm{Br}(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is? (For example, when $a,binmathbb{Q}$, how does the two rational numbers determine an element in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$?)







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  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 13 at 22:49










  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But for example how could one calculate $(2,3)_5$ explicitly?
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 17:15










  • @QiaochuYuan Sorry this may be a stupid question, but I feel confused: from the wikipedia description, the Hilbert symbol is expressed by Legendre symbols, $(a,b)_p=(-1)^{alphabetaepsilon(p)}(frac{u}{p})^{beta}(frac{v}{p})^{alpha}$, but it seems this expression only take $pm1$, but $Br(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$.
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 17:37












  • That section is about the quadratic Hilbert symbol, which corresponds to $2$-torsion in the Brauer group. Scroll down further for the general Hilbert symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 14 at 19:56












  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But is the Artin symbol easier to calculate explicitly? For example we have two integers $2,3inmathbb{Z}$ and a $4$-th root of unity $zeta$ in $mathbb{Q}_5$, is there an explicit way to determine what the class of $(2,3)_{zeta}$ in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is?(As for quadratic symbols, this can be determined by solution of a degenerate conic)
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 20:12




















  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 13 at 22:49










  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But for example how could one calculate $(2,3)_5$ explicitly?
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 17:15










  • @QiaochuYuan Sorry this may be a stupid question, but I feel confused: from the wikipedia description, the Hilbert symbol is expressed by Legendre symbols, $(a,b)_p=(-1)^{alphabetaepsilon(p)}(frac{u}{p})^{beta}(frac{v}{p})^{alpha}$, but it seems this expression only take $pm1$, but $Br(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$.
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 17:37












  • That section is about the quadratic Hilbert symbol, which corresponds to $2$-torsion in the Brauer group. Scroll down further for the general Hilbert symbol
    – Qiaochu Yuan
    Nov 14 at 19:56












  • @QiaochuYuan Thanks! But is the Artin symbol easier to calculate explicitly? For example we have two integers $2,3inmathbb{Z}$ and a $4$-th root of unity $zeta$ in $mathbb{Q}_5$, is there an explicit way to determine what the class of $(2,3)_{zeta}$ in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is?(As for quadratic symbols, this can be determined by solution of a degenerate conic)
    – Qixiao
    Nov 14 at 20:12


















en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_symbol
– Qiaochu Yuan
Nov 13 at 22:49




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_symbol
– Qiaochu Yuan
Nov 13 at 22:49












@QiaochuYuan Thanks! But for example how could one calculate $(2,3)_5$ explicitly?
– Qixiao
Nov 14 at 17:15




@QiaochuYuan Thanks! But for example how could one calculate $(2,3)_5$ explicitly?
– Qixiao
Nov 14 at 17:15












@QiaochuYuan Sorry this may be a stupid question, but I feel confused: from the wikipedia description, the Hilbert symbol is expressed by Legendre symbols, $(a,b)_p=(-1)^{alphabetaepsilon(p)}(frac{u}{p})^{beta}(frac{v}{p})^{alpha}$, but it seems this expression only take $pm1$, but $Br(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$.
– Qixiao
Nov 14 at 17:37






@QiaochuYuan Sorry this may be a stupid question, but I feel confused: from the wikipedia description, the Hilbert symbol is expressed by Legendre symbols, $(a,b)_p=(-1)^{alphabetaepsilon(p)}(frac{u}{p})^{beta}(frac{v}{p})^{alpha}$, but it seems this expression only take $pm1$, but $Br(mathbb{Q}_p)=mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$.
– Qixiao
Nov 14 at 17:37














That section is about the quadratic Hilbert symbol, which corresponds to $2$-torsion in the Brauer group. Scroll down further for the general Hilbert symbol
– Qiaochu Yuan
Nov 14 at 19:56






That section is about the quadratic Hilbert symbol, which corresponds to $2$-torsion in the Brauer group. Scroll down further for the general Hilbert symbol
– Qiaochu Yuan
Nov 14 at 19:56














@QiaochuYuan Thanks! But is the Artin symbol easier to calculate explicitly? For example we have two integers $2,3inmathbb{Z}$ and a $4$-th root of unity $zeta$ in $mathbb{Q}_5$, is there an explicit way to determine what the class of $(2,3)_{zeta}$ in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is?(As for quadratic symbols, this can be determined by solution of a degenerate conic)
– Qixiao
Nov 14 at 20:12






@QiaochuYuan Thanks! But is the Artin symbol easier to calculate explicitly? For example we have two integers $2,3inmathbb{Z}$ and a $4$-th root of unity $zeta$ in $mathbb{Q}_5$, is there an explicit way to determine what the class of $(2,3)_{zeta}$ in $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ is?(As for quadratic symbols, this can be determined by solution of a degenerate conic)
– Qixiao
Nov 14 at 20:12












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I should clarify going into this that I don't know any class field theory, so I might say some silly things. The number you're trying to compute is the Hasse invariant of the cyclic algebra, and it should also correspond to a Hilbert symbol as in the comments. I found a nice formula for a special case of the Hilbert symbol in Section 3.3 of these notes (Lemma 3.22). Specialized to this case it gives



$$(a, b)_{xi} = omega left( (-1)^{nu(a) nu(b)} frac{b^{nu(a)}}{a^{nu(b)}} bmod p right)$$



where $nu : mathbb{Q}_p to mathbb{Z}$ is the valuation and $omega : mathbb{F}_p^{times} to mu_{p-1}(mathbb{Q}_p)$ is the Teichmüller character.



You asked in the comments about $p = 5, a = 2, b = 3$. In this case $nu(a) = nu(b) = 0$ so the Hilbert symbol is trivial. In order for it to be nontrivial at least one of $nu(a)$ and $nu(b)$ must be nonzero. For example, sticking to $p = 5$, if we take $a = 2, b = 5$ then we get



$$(1, 5)_{xi} = omega left( frac{1}{2} bmod 5 right) = omega(3)$$



which is the unique $4^{th}$ root of unity in $mathbb{Z}_5$ congruent to $3 bmod 5$, and in particular primitive. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how this is identified with an element of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$, although it must be either $frac{1}{4}$ or $frac{3}{4}$.






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    I should clarify going into this that I don't know any class field theory, so I might say some silly things. The number you're trying to compute is the Hasse invariant of the cyclic algebra, and it should also correspond to a Hilbert symbol as in the comments. I found a nice formula for a special case of the Hilbert symbol in Section 3.3 of these notes (Lemma 3.22). Specialized to this case it gives



    $$(a, b)_{xi} = omega left( (-1)^{nu(a) nu(b)} frac{b^{nu(a)}}{a^{nu(b)}} bmod p right)$$



    where $nu : mathbb{Q}_p to mathbb{Z}$ is the valuation and $omega : mathbb{F}_p^{times} to mu_{p-1}(mathbb{Q}_p)$ is the Teichmüller character.



    You asked in the comments about $p = 5, a = 2, b = 3$. In this case $nu(a) = nu(b) = 0$ so the Hilbert symbol is trivial. In order for it to be nontrivial at least one of $nu(a)$ and $nu(b)$ must be nonzero. For example, sticking to $p = 5$, if we take $a = 2, b = 5$ then we get



    $$(1, 5)_{xi} = omega left( frac{1}{2} bmod 5 right) = omega(3)$$



    which is the unique $4^{th}$ root of unity in $mathbb{Z}_5$ congruent to $3 bmod 5$, and in particular primitive. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how this is identified with an element of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$, although it must be either $frac{1}{4}$ or $frac{3}{4}$.






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      I should clarify going into this that I don't know any class field theory, so I might say some silly things. The number you're trying to compute is the Hasse invariant of the cyclic algebra, and it should also correspond to a Hilbert symbol as in the comments. I found a nice formula for a special case of the Hilbert symbol in Section 3.3 of these notes (Lemma 3.22). Specialized to this case it gives



      $$(a, b)_{xi} = omega left( (-1)^{nu(a) nu(b)} frac{b^{nu(a)}}{a^{nu(b)}} bmod p right)$$



      where $nu : mathbb{Q}_p to mathbb{Z}$ is the valuation and $omega : mathbb{F}_p^{times} to mu_{p-1}(mathbb{Q}_p)$ is the Teichmüller character.



      You asked in the comments about $p = 5, a = 2, b = 3$. In this case $nu(a) = nu(b) = 0$ so the Hilbert symbol is trivial. In order for it to be nontrivial at least one of $nu(a)$ and $nu(b)$ must be nonzero. For example, sticking to $p = 5$, if we take $a = 2, b = 5$ then we get



      $$(1, 5)_{xi} = omega left( frac{1}{2} bmod 5 right) = omega(3)$$



      which is the unique $4^{th}$ root of unity in $mathbb{Z}_5$ congruent to $3 bmod 5$, and in particular primitive. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how this is identified with an element of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$, although it must be either $frac{1}{4}$ or $frac{3}{4}$.






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        I should clarify going into this that I don't know any class field theory, so I might say some silly things. The number you're trying to compute is the Hasse invariant of the cyclic algebra, and it should also correspond to a Hilbert symbol as in the comments. I found a nice formula for a special case of the Hilbert symbol in Section 3.3 of these notes (Lemma 3.22). Specialized to this case it gives



        $$(a, b)_{xi} = omega left( (-1)^{nu(a) nu(b)} frac{b^{nu(a)}}{a^{nu(b)}} bmod p right)$$



        where $nu : mathbb{Q}_p to mathbb{Z}$ is the valuation and $omega : mathbb{F}_p^{times} to mu_{p-1}(mathbb{Q}_p)$ is the Teichmüller character.



        You asked in the comments about $p = 5, a = 2, b = 3$. In this case $nu(a) = nu(b) = 0$ so the Hilbert symbol is trivial. In order for it to be nontrivial at least one of $nu(a)$ and $nu(b)$ must be nonzero. For example, sticking to $p = 5$, if we take $a = 2, b = 5$ then we get



        $$(1, 5)_{xi} = omega left( frac{1}{2} bmod 5 right) = omega(3)$$



        which is the unique $4^{th}$ root of unity in $mathbb{Z}_5$ congruent to $3 bmod 5$, and in particular primitive. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how this is identified with an element of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$, although it must be either $frac{1}{4}$ or $frac{3}{4}$.






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        I should clarify going into this that I don't know any class field theory, so I might say some silly things. The number you're trying to compute is the Hasse invariant of the cyclic algebra, and it should also correspond to a Hilbert symbol as in the comments. I found a nice formula for a special case of the Hilbert symbol in Section 3.3 of these notes (Lemma 3.22). Specialized to this case it gives



        $$(a, b)_{xi} = omega left( (-1)^{nu(a) nu(b)} frac{b^{nu(a)}}{a^{nu(b)}} bmod p right)$$



        where $nu : mathbb{Q}_p to mathbb{Z}$ is the valuation and $omega : mathbb{F}_p^{times} to mu_{p-1}(mathbb{Q}_p)$ is the Teichmüller character.



        You asked in the comments about $p = 5, a = 2, b = 3$. In this case $nu(a) = nu(b) = 0$ so the Hilbert symbol is trivial. In order for it to be nontrivial at least one of $nu(a)$ and $nu(b)$ must be nonzero. For example, sticking to $p = 5$, if we take $a = 2, b = 5$ then we get



        $$(1, 5)_{xi} = omega left( frac{1}{2} bmod 5 right) = omega(3)$$



        which is the unique $4^{th}$ root of unity in $mathbb{Z}_5$ congruent to $3 bmod 5$, and in particular primitive. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how this is identified with an element of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$, although it must be either $frac{1}{4}$ or $frac{3}{4}$.







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