Determining probability of a rainy day
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I have the following problem:
- If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.
- If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.
I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.
My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.
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I have the following problem:
- If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.
- If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.
I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.
My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.
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You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
yesterday
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It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
yesterday
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I have the following problem:
- If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.
- If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.
I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.
My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.
probability probability-theory
I have the following problem:
- If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.
- If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.
I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.
My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.
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You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
yesterday
1
It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
yesterday
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You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
yesterday
1
It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
yesterday
2
2
You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
yesterday
You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
yesterday
1
1
It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
yesterday
It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
yesterday
add a comment |
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A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.
Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.
We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
would represent the transition function from one day to another.
So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.
More generally,
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.
edit
I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.
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This is hands down the most elegant solution ever on this site. Wow.
– smiljanic997
9 hours ago
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ds{P_{n}} & ds{equiv} & Rainy Probability mbox{at the} n_{th} mbox{Day}
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ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
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ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
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$ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
begin{align}
&P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
\[5mm]
implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
\[5mm]
implies &
bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
\[5mm] implies &
P_{31} =
{310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
end{align}
I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
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A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.
Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.
We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
would represent the transition function from one day to another.
So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.
More generally,
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.
edit
I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.
New contributor
This is hands down the most elegant solution ever on this site. Wow.
– smiljanic997
9 hours ago
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8
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A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.
Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.
We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
would represent the transition function from one day to another.
So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.
More generally,
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.
edit
I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.
New contributor
This is hands down the most elegant solution ever on this site. Wow.
– smiljanic997
9 hours ago
add a comment |
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up vote
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A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.
Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.
We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
would represent the transition function from one day to another.
So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.
More generally,
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.
edit
I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.
New contributor
A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.
Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.
We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
would represent the transition function from one day to another.
So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.
More generally,
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.
edit
I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.
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This is hands down the most elegant solution ever on this site. Wow.
– smiljanic997
9 hours ago
This is hands down the most elegant solution ever on this site. Wow.
– smiljanic997
9 hours ago
This is hands down the most elegant solution ever on this site. Wow.
– smiljanic997
9 hours ago
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\
ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
\
ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
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$ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
begin{align}
&P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
\[5mm]
implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
\[5mm]
implies &
bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
\[5mm] implies &
P_{31} =
{310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
end{align}
I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
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ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
\
ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
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$ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
begin{align}
&P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
\[5mm]
implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
\[5mm]
implies &
bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
\[5mm] implies &
P_{31} =
{310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
end{align}
I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
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\
ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
\
ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
end{array}right.
$$
$ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
begin{align}
&P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
\[5mm]
implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
\[5mm]
implies &
bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
\[5mm] implies &
P_{31} =
{310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
end{align}
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ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
end{array}right.
$$
$ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
begin{align}
&P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
\[5mm]
implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
\[5mm]
implies &
bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
\[5mm] implies &
P_{31} =
{310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
end{align}
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
Felix Marin
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I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
add a comment |
I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
– Henry
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
@Henry That's true.
– Felix Marin
yesterday
add a comment |
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You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
yesterday
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It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
yesterday