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Is there a slick way to show that $x^{3}-3$ is irreducible over $F= mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$? What I did seems kind of convoluted (showing directly that there is no root in F).



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  • Leaving this as a comment because I'm not 100% sure whether this is the right way... I guess you could start by saying that, if $x^3-3$ were reducible, it would be expressed as $(x+A)(x^2+Bx+C)$, where $A$ is a rational number. Then that would mean that there exists a fraction $frac{p}{q}$ with $p$ and $q$ being coprime such that $frac{p^3}{q^3}-3 = 0$. Then that would mean that $p^3 = 3q^3$, which would mean that $p$ is divisible by 3. Let $p = 3r$, and we get $9r^3 = q^3$, which again means that $q$ is divisible by 3. Contradiction.
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    @2012ssohn How do you know $A$ is a rational number?
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    this answer would land you a downvote....since its "cumbersome"....and not giving a good insight into the problem.
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    Sorry guys, it appears that I have a clear misunderstanding in this field... what exactly does $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ mean?
    – 2012ssohn
    May 29 '15 at 2:51






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    @2012ssohn It all things of the form $a+bsqrt{-3}$ where $a,binBbb Q$.
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Is there a slick way to show that $x^{3}-3$ is irreducible over $F= mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$? What I did seems kind of convoluted (showing directly that there is no root in F).



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  • Leaving this as a comment because I'm not 100% sure whether this is the right way... I guess you could start by saying that, if $x^3-3$ were reducible, it would be expressed as $(x+A)(x^2+Bx+C)$, where $A$ is a rational number. Then that would mean that there exists a fraction $frac{p}{q}$ with $p$ and $q$ being coprime such that $frac{p^3}{q^3}-3 = 0$. Then that would mean that $p^3 = 3q^3$, which would mean that $p$ is divisible by 3. Let $p = 3r$, and we get $9r^3 = q^3$, which again means that $q$ is divisible by 3. Contradiction.
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    @2012ssohn How do you know $A$ is a rational number?
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    May 29 '15 at 2:47








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    this answer would land you a downvote....since its "cumbersome"....and not giving a good insight into the problem.
    – DeepSea
    May 29 '15 at 2:47






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    Sorry guys, it appears that I have a clear misunderstanding in this field... what exactly does $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ mean?
    – 2012ssohn
    May 29 '15 at 2:51






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    @2012ssohn It all things of the form $a+bsqrt{-3}$ where $a,binBbb Q$.
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Is there a slick way to show that $x^{3}-3$ is irreducible over $F= mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$? What I did seems kind of convoluted (showing directly that there is no root in F).



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  • Leaving this as a comment because I'm not 100% sure whether this is the right way... I guess you could start by saying that, if $x^3-3$ were reducible, it would be expressed as $(x+A)(x^2+Bx+C)$, where $A$ is a rational number. Then that would mean that there exists a fraction $frac{p}{q}$ with $p$ and $q$ being coprime such that $frac{p^3}{q^3}-3 = 0$. Then that would mean that $p^3 = 3q^3$, which would mean that $p$ is divisible by 3. Let $p = 3r$, and we get $9r^3 = q^3$, which again means that $q$ is divisible by 3. Contradiction.
    – 2012ssohn
    May 29 '15 at 2:45








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    @2012ssohn How do you know $A$ is a rational number?
    – Gregory Grant
    May 29 '15 at 2:47








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    this answer would land you a downvote....since its "cumbersome"....and not giving a good insight into the problem.
    – DeepSea
    May 29 '15 at 2:47






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    Sorry guys, it appears that I have a clear misunderstanding in this field... what exactly does $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ mean?
    – 2012ssohn
    May 29 '15 at 2:51






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    @2012ssohn It all things of the form $a+bsqrt{-3}$ where $a,binBbb Q$.
    – Gregory Grant
    May 29 '15 at 2:53




















  • Leaving this as a comment because I'm not 100% sure whether this is the right way... I guess you could start by saying that, if $x^3-3$ were reducible, it would be expressed as $(x+A)(x^2+Bx+C)$, where $A$ is a rational number. Then that would mean that there exists a fraction $frac{p}{q}$ with $p$ and $q$ being coprime such that $frac{p^3}{q^3}-3 = 0$. Then that would mean that $p^3 = 3q^3$, which would mean that $p$ is divisible by 3. Let $p = 3r$, and we get $9r^3 = q^3$, which again means that $q$ is divisible by 3. Contradiction.
    – 2012ssohn
    May 29 '15 at 2:45








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    @2012ssohn How do you know $A$ is a rational number?
    – Gregory Grant
    May 29 '15 at 2:47








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    this answer would land you a downvote....since its "cumbersome"....and not giving a good insight into the problem.
    – DeepSea
    May 29 '15 at 2:47






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    Sorry guys, it appears that I have a clear misunderstanding in this field... what exactly does $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ mean?
    – 2012ssohn
    May 29 '15 at 2:51






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    @2012ssohn It all things of the form $a+bsqrt{-3}$ where $a,binBbb Q$.
    – Gregory Grant
    May 29 '15 at 2:53


















Leaving this as a comment because I'm not 100% sure whether this is the right way... I guess you could start by saying that, if $x^3-3$ were reducible, it would be expressed as $(x+A)(x^2+Bx+C)$, where $A$ is a rational number. Then that would mean that there exists a fraction $frac{p}{q}$ with $p$ and $q$ being coprime such that $frac{p^3}{q^3}-3 = 0$. Then that would mean that $p^3 = 3q^3$, which would mean that $p$ is divisible by 3. Let $p = 3r$, and we get $9r^3 = q^3$, which again means that $q$ is divisible by 3. Contradiction.
– 2012ssohn
May 29 '15 at 2:45






Leaving this as a comment because I'm not 100% sure whether this is the right way... I guess you could start by saying that, if $x^3-3$ were reducible, it would be expressed as $(x+A)(x^2+Bx+C)$, where $A$ is a rational number. Then that would mean that there exists a fraction $frac{p}{q}$ with $p$ and $q$ being coprime such that $frac{p^3}{q^3}-3 = 0$. Then that would mean that $p^3 = 3q^3$, which would mean that $p$ is divisible by 3. Let $p = 3r$, and we get $9r^3 = q^3$, which again means that $q$ is divisible by 3. Contradiction.
– 2012ssohn
May 29 '15 at 2:45






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@2012ssohn How do you know $A$ is a rational number?
– Gregory Grant
May 29 '15 at 2:47






@2012ssohn How do you know $A$ is a rational number?
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this answer would land you a downvote....since its "cumbersome"....and not giving a good insight into the problem.
– DeepSea
May 29 '15 at 2:47




this answer would land you a downvote....since its "cumbersome"....and not giving a good insight into the problem.
– DeepSea
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Sorry guys, it appears that I have a clear misunderstanding in this field... what exactly does $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ mean?
– 2012ssohn
May 29 '15 at 2:51




Sorry guys, it appears that I have a clear misunderstanding in this field... what exactly does $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ mean?
– 2012ssohn
May 29 '15 at 2:51




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@2012ssohn It all things of the form $a+bsqrt{-3}$ where $a,binBbb Q$.
– Gregory Grant
May 29 '15 at 2:53






@2012ssohn It all things of the form $a+bsqrt{-3}$ where $a,binBbb Q$.
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There's a number of ways of attacking this problem. Here's but one way of going about this that requires a little less calculation:



Since $deg(f) leq 3$, we know $f(x) = x^3 - 3$ is reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}) iff$ a root of $f$ is contained in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



Let $alpha$ be a root of $f$. If $alpha in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, then we must have $mathbb{Q}(alpha) subset mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



Given that multiplicativity of degrees gives $Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q} Big] = Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q}(alpha) Big] cdot Big[ mathbb{Q}(alpha): mathbb{Q} Big]$, think about the degrees of these extensions over $mathbb{Q}$ to arrive at a contradiction.






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Suppose it was reducible. Then it would have a root in $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$. But it is irreducible over $Bbb Q$, so that would mean $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ would contain an element of degree three over $Bbb Q$. But it is an extension of degree two so that is impossible.






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    There are so many ways of proving this!



    Consider $f(X)=X^3-3$,over $Bbb Q(sqrt{-3},)$. Now, $f$ is irreducible if and only if $f(sqrt{-3}X)=g(X)=-3sqrt{-3}X^3-3$ is irreducible, if and only if $-g(X)/3=sqrt{-3}X^3+1$ is irreducible, if and only if the reverse of the last, namely $X^3+sqrt{-3}$, is irreducible, and it is so by Eisenstein.






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      One way may be to using the counting theorem?



      The degree of $sqrt{-3}$ over $mathbb{Q}$ is 2.



      Since $x^3-3$ is of degree 3, if it was reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, it would have a root $alpha$ in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



      But by Eisenstein we also know that $x^3-3$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}$. So assume for contradiction that it was reducible over $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, and that $alpha$ existed. Then we would have:



      $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}]=2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)][mathbb{Q}(a):mathbb{Q}]=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] cdot 3$.



      But $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]$ must be an integer, so we have our contradiction from $2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]cdot3$.



      In order to use this we also must have that $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $Q(alpha)$. But since $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}$, we have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ is a basis for $Q(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}$. If $sqrt{-3}$ should happen to be in $Q(alpha)$ they must be the same, if not, we then have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ over $Q(alpha)$ span $Q(sqrt{-3})$, but we also must have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ must be linearly independent when having coefficients in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$, if not $g_1+q_2sqrt{-3}=0$, where not both coefficients in $Q(alpha)$ is zero. But then it is easy to see that $sqrt{-3}$ must be in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.



      This last fact that $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$ actually also follows from the fact that every simple extension when considering an element algebraic over another field is a finite extension, and $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] $ is the degree of $(mathbb{Q}(alpha))(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. And we know that since $sqrt{-3}$ is algebraic over $mathbb{Q}$, it must also be algebraic over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.






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        Hint: The norm squared any root of $X^3 - 3$ is $3^{2/3}$, irrational, while the norm squared of every element in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is rational, so $X^3 - 3$ has no root in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.






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          Hint: $f$ in $K[x]$ irreducible of degree $m$, $K subset L$ of degree $n$, $(m,n)=1$, implies $f$ stays irreducible in $L[x]$.



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          Let $alpha$ a root of $f$. We have
          $$[L(alpha) colon K]= [L(alpha) colon L]cdot [Lcolon K] le m cdot n$$



          But $[L(alpha) colon K]$ is divisible by both $[K(alpha) colon K]=m$ and $[Lcolon K]=n$ and so by $mcdot n$. Therefore, we must have equality, $[L(alpha) colon L] = m$, and thus $f$ is irreducible in $L[x]$.






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            There's a number of ways of attacking this problem. Here's but one way of going about this that requires a little less calculation:



            Since $deg(f) leq 3$, we know $f(x) = x^3 - 3$ is reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}) iff$ a root of $f$ is contained in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Let $alpha$ be a root of $f$. If $alpha in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, then we must have $mathbb{Q}(alpha) subset mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Given that multiplicativity of degrees gives $Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q} Big] = Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q}(alpha) Big] cdot Big[ mathbb{Q}(alpha): mathbb{Q} Big]$, think about the degrees of these extensions over $mathbb{Q}$ to arrive at a contradiction.






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              your answer seems to be pretty much the same as mine, so not sure why somebody down-voted it.
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              There are some trigger happy downvoters, happens to me too all the time. I think if somebody is going to downvote you they should at least give a reason.
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            There's a number of ways of attacking this problem. Here's but one way of going about this that requires a little less calculation:



            Since $deg(f) leq 3$, we know $f(x) = x^3 - 3$ is reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}) iff$ a root of $f$ is contained in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Let $alpha$ be a root of $f$. If $alpha in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, then we must have $mathbb{Q}(alpha) subset mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Given that multiplicativity of degrees gives $Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q} Big] = Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q}(alpha) Big] cdot Big[ mathbb{Q}(alpha): mathbb{Q} Big]$, think about the degrees of these extensions over $mathbb{Q}$ to arrive at a contradiction.






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              your answer seems to be pretty much the same as mine, so not sure why somebody down-voted it.
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              There are some trigger happy downvoters, happens to me too all the time. I think if somebody is going to downvote you they should at least give a reason.
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              I usually make a few typos that I catch and edit out over the first few minutes after I post. Perhaps someone viewed one of them as particularly egregious.
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            There's a number of ways of attacking this problem. Here's but one way of going about this that requires a little less calculation:



            Since $deg(f) leq 3$, we know $f(x) = x^3 - 3$ is reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}) iff$ a root of $f$ is contained in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Let $alpha$ be a root of $f$. If $alpha in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, then we must have $mathbb{Q}(alpha) subset mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Given that multiplicativity of degrees gives $Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q} Big] = Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q}(alpha) Big] cdot Big[ mathbb{Q}(alpha): mathbb{Q} Big]$, think about the degrees of these extensions over $mathbb{Q}$ to arrive at a contradiction.






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            There's a number of ways of attacking this problem. Here's but one way of going about this that requires a little less calculation:



            Since $deg(f) leq 3$, we know $f(x) = x^3 - 3$ is reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}) iff$ a root of $f$ is contained in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Let $alpha$ be a root of $f$. If $alpha in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, then we must have $mathbb{Q}(alpha) subset mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



            Given that multiplicativity of degrees gives $Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q} Big] = Big[ mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}): mathbb{Q}(alpha) Big] cdot Big[ mathbb{Q}(alpha): mathbb{Q} Big]$, think about the degrees of these extensions over $mathbb{Q}$ to arrive at a contradiction.







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              your answer seems to be pretty much the same as mine, so not sure why somebody down-voted it.
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              There are some trigger happy downvoters, happens to me too all the time. I think if somebody is going to downvote you they should at least give a reason.
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              I usually make a few typos that I catch and edit out over the first few minutes after I post. Perhaps someone viewed one of them as particularly egregious.
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              I gave you an up-vote
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              ...Why was I downvoted?
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              your answer seems to be pretty much the same as mine, so not sure why somebody down-voted it.
              – Gregory Grant
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              There are some trigger happy downvoters, happens to me too all the time. I think if somebody is going to downvote you they should at least give a reason.
              – Gregory Grant
              May 29 '15 at 2:46






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              I usually make a few typos that I catch and edit out over the first few minutes after I post. Perhaps someone viewed one of them as particularly egregious.
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              I gave you an up-vote
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            your answer seems to be pretty much the same as mine, so not sure why somebody down-voted it.
            – Gregory Grant
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            your answer seems to be pretty much the same as mine, so not sure why somebody down-voted it.
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            There are some trigger happy downvoters, happens to me too all the time. I think if somebody is going to downvote you they should at least give a reason.
            – Gregory Grant
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            There are some trigger happy downvoters, happens to me too all the time. I think if somebody is going to downvote you they should at least give a reason.
            – Gregory Grant
            May 29 '15 at 2:46




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            I usually make a few typos that I catch and edit out over the first few minutes after I post. Perhaps someone viewed one of them as particularly egregious.
            – Kaj Hansen
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            I usually make a few typos that I catch and edit out over the first few minutes after I post. Perhaps someone viewed one of them as particularly egregious.
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            Suppose it was reducible. Then it would have a root in $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$. But it is irreducible over $Bbb Q$, so that would mean $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ would contain an element of degree three over $Bbb Q$. But it is an extension of degree two so that is impossible.






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              Suppose it was reducible. Then it would have a root in $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$. But it is irreducible over $Bbb Q$, so that would mean $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ would contain an element of degree three over $Bbb Q$. But it is an extension of degree two so that is impossible.






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                Suppose it was reducible. Then it would have a root in $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$. But it is irreducible over $Bbb Q$, so that would mean $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ would contain an element of degree three over $Bbb Q$. But it is an extension of degree two so that is impossible.






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                Suppose it was reducible. Then it would have a root in $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$. But it is irreducible over $Bbb Q$, so that would mean $mathbb Q(sqrt{-3})$ would contain an element of degree three over $Bbb Q$. But it is an extension of degree two so that is impossible.







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                    There are so many ways of proving this!



                    Consider $f(X)=X^3-3$,over $Bbb Q(sqrt{-3},)$. Now, $f$ is irreducible if and only if $f(sqrt{-3}X)=g(X)=-3sqrt{-3}X^3-3$ is irreducible, if and only if $-g(X)/3=sqrt{-3}X^3+1$ is irreducible, if and only if the reverse of the last, namely $X^3+sqrt{-3}$, is irreducible, and it is so by Eisenstein.






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                      There are so many ways of proving this!



                      Consider $f(X)=X^3-3$,over $Bbb Q(sqrt{-3},)$. Now, $f$ is irreducible if and only if $f(sqrt{-3}X)=g(X)=-3sqrt{-3}X^3-3$ is irreducible, if and only if $-g(X)/3=sqrt{-3}X^3+1$ is irreducible, if and only if the reverse of the last, namely $X^3+sqrt{-3}$, is irreducible, and it is so by Eisenstein.






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                        There are so many ways of proving this!



                        Consider $f(X)=X^3-3$,over $Bbb Q(sqrt{-3},)$. Now, $f$ is irreducible if and only if $f(sqrt{-3}X)=g(X)=-3sqrt{-3}X^3-3$ is irreducible, if and only if $-g(X)/3=sqrt{-3}X^3+1$ is irreducible, if and only if the reverse of the last, namely $X^3+sqrt{-3}$, is irreducible, and it is so by Eisenstein.






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                        There are so many ways of proving this!



                        Consider $f(X)=X^3-3$,over $Bbb Q(sqrt{-3},)$. Now, $f$ is irreducible if and only if $f(sqrt{-3}X)=g(X)=-3sqrt{-3}X^3-3$ is irreducible, if and only if $-g(X)/3=sqrt{-3}X^3+1$ is irreducible, if and only if the reverse of the last, namely $X^3+sqrt{-3}$, is irreducible, and it is so by Eisenstein.







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                            One way may be to using the counting theorem?



                            The degree of $sqrt{-3}$ over $mathbb{Q}$ is 2.



                            Since $x^3-3$ is of degree 3, if it was reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, it would have a root $alpha$ in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



                            But by Eisenstein we also know that $x^3-3$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}$. So assume for contradiction that it was reducible over $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, and that $alpha$ existed. Then we would have:



                            $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}]=2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)][mathbb{Q}(a):mathbb{Q}]=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] cdot 3$.



                            But $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]$ must be an integer, so we have our contradiction from $2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]cdot3$.



                            In order to use this we also must have that $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $Q(alpha)$. But since $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}$, we have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ is a basis for $Q(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}$. If $sqrt{-3}$ should happen to be in $Q(alpha)$ they must be the same, if not, we then have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ over $Q(alpha)$ span $Q(sqrt{-3})$, but we also must have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ must be linearly independent when having coefficients in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$, if not $g_1+q_2sqrt{-3}=0$, where not both coefficients in $Q(alpha)$ is zero. But then it is easy to see that $sqrt{-3}$ must be in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.



                            This last fact that $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$ actually also follows from the fact that every simple extension when considering an element algebraic over another field is a finite extension, and $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] $ is the degree of $(mathbb{Q}(alpha))(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. And we know that since $sqrt{-3}$ is algebraic over $mathbb{Q}$, it must also be algebraic over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.






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                              One way may be to using the counting theorem?



                              The degree of $sqrt{-3}$ over $mathbb{Q}$ is 2.



                              Since $x^3-3$ is of degree 3, if it was reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, it would have a root $alpha$ in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



                              But by Eisenstein we also know that $x^3-3$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}$. So assume for contradiction that it was reducible over $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, and that $alpha$ existed. Then we would have:



                              $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}]=2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)][mathbb{Q}(a):mathbb{Q}]=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] cdot 3$.



                              But $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]$ must be an integer, so we have our contradiction from $2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]cdot3$.



                              In order to use this we also must have that $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $Q(alpha)$. But since $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}$, we have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ is a basis for $Q(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}$. If $sqrt{-3}$ should happen to be in $Q(alpha)$ they must be the same, if not, we then have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ over $Q(alpha)$ span $Q(sqrt{-3})$, but we also must have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ must be linearly independent when having coefficients in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$, if not $g_1+q_2sqrt{-3}=0$, where not both coefficients in $Q(alpha)$ is zero. But then it is easy to see that $sqrt{-3}$ must be in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.



                              This last fact that $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$ actually also follows from the fact that every simple extension when considering an element algebraic over another field is a finite extension, and $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] $ is the degree of $(mathbb{Q}(alpha))(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. And we know that since $sqrt{-3}$ is algebraic over $mathbb{Q}$, it must also be algebraic over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.






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                                One way may be to using the counting theorem?



                                The degree of $sqrt{-3}$ over $mathbb{Q}$ is 2.



                                Since $x^3-3$ is of degree 3, if it was reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, it would have a root $alpha$ in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



                                But by Eisenstein we also know that $x^3-3$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}$. So assume for contradiction that it was reducible over $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, and that $alpha$ existed. Then we would have:



                                $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}]=2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)][mathbb{Q}(a):mathbb{Q}]=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] cdot 3$.



                                But $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]$ must be an integer, so we have our contradiction from $2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]cdot3$.



                                In order to use this we also must have that $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $Q(alpha)$. But since $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}$, we have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ is a basis for $Q(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}$. If $sqrt{-3}$ should happen to be in $Q(alpha)$ they must be the same, if not, we then have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ over $Q(alpha)$ span $Q(sqrt{-3})$, but we also must have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ must be linearly independent when having coefficients in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$, if not $g_1+q_2sqrt{-3}=0$, where not both coefficients in $Q(alpha)$ is zero. But then it is easy to see that $sqrt{-3}$ must be in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.



                                This last fact that $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$ actually also follows from the fact that every simple extension when considering an element algebraic over another field is a finite extension, and $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] $ is the degree of $(mathbb{Q}(alpha))(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. And we know that since $sqrt{-3}$ is algebraic over $mathbb{Q}$, it must also be algebraic over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.






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                                One way may be to using the counting theorem?



                                The degree of $sqrt{-3}$ over $mathbb{Q}$ is 2.



                                Since $x^3-3$ is of degree 3, if it was reducible in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, it would have a root $alpha$ in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.



                                But by Eisenstein we also know that $x^3-3$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}$. So assume for contradiction that it was reducible over $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$, and that $alpha$ existed. Then we would have:



                                $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}]=2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)][mathbb{Q}(a):mathbb{Q}]=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] cdot 3$.



                                But $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]$ must be an integer, so we have our contradiction from $2=[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)]cdot3$.



                                In order to use this we also must have that $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $Q(alpha)$. But since $Q(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}$, we have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ is a basis for $Q(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}$. If $sqrt{-3}$ should happen to be in $Q(alpha)$ they must be the same, if not, we then have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ over $Q(alpha)$ span $Q(sqrt{-3})$, but we also must have that $1, sqrt{-3}$ must be linearly independent when having coefficients in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$, if not $g_1+q_2sqrt{-3}=0$, where not both coefficients in $Q(alpha)$ is zero. But then it is easy to see that $sqrt{-3}$ must be in $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.



                                This last fact that $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is a finite extension of $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$ actually also follows from the fact that every simple extension when considering an element algebraic over another field is a finite extension, and $[mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3}):mathbb{Q}(alpha)] $ is the degree of $(mathbb{Q}(alpha))(sqrt{-3})$ over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. And we know that since $sqrt{-3}$ is algebraic over $mathbb{Q}$, it must also be algebraic over $mathbb{Q}(alpha)$.







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                                    Hint: The norm squared any root of $X^3 - 3$ is $3^{2/3}$, irrational, while the norm squared of every element in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is rational, so $X^3 - 3$ has no root in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.






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                                      Hint: The norm squared any root of $X^3 - 3$ is $3^{2/3}$, irrational, while the norm squared of every element in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is rational, so $X^3 - 3$ has no root in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.






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                                        Hint: The norm squared any root of $X^3 - 3$ is $3^{2/3}$, irrational, while the norm squared of every element in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is rational, so $X^3 - 3$ has no root in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.






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                                        Hint: The norm squared any root of $X^3 - 3$ is $3^{2/3}$, irrational, while the norm squared of every element in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$ is rational, so $X^3 - 3$ has no root in $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{-3})$.







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                                            Hint: $f$ in $K[x]$ irreducible of degree $m$, $K subset L$ of degree $n$, $(m,n)=1$, implies $f$ stays irreducible in $L[x]$.



                                            $bf{Added:}$



                                            Let $alpha$ a root of $f$. We have
                                            $$[L(alpha) colon K]= [L(alpha) colon L]cdot [Lcolon K] le m cdot n$$



                                            But $[L(alpha) colon K]$ is divisible by both $[K(alpha) colon K]=m$ and $[Lcolon K]=n$ and so by $mcdot n$. Therefore, we must have equality, $[L(alpha) colon L] = m$, and thus $f$ is irreducible in $L[x]$.






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                                              Hint: $f$ in $K[x]$ irreducible of degree $m$, $K subset L$ of degree $n$, $(m,n)=1$, implies $f$ stays irreducible in $L[x]$.



                                              $bf{Added:}$



                                              Let $alpha$ a root of $f$. We have
                                              $$[L(alpha) colon K]= [L(alpha) colon L]cdot [Lcolon K] le m cdot n$$



                                              But $[L(alpha) colon K]$ is divisible by both $[K(alpha) colon K]=m$ and $[Lcolon K]=n$ and so by $mcdot n$. Therefore, we must have equality, $[L(alpha) colon L] = m$, and thus $f$ is irreducible in $L[x]$.






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                                                Hint: $f$ in $K[x]$ irreducible of degree $m$, $K subset L$ of degree $n$, $(m,n)=1$, implies $f$ stays irreducible in $L[x]$.



                                                $bf{Added:}$



                                                Let $alpha$ a root of $f$. We have
                                                $$[L(alpha) colon K]= [L(alpha) colon L]cdot [Lcolon K] le m cdot n$$



                                                But $[L(alpha) colon K]$ is divisible by both $[K(alpha) colon K]=m$ and $[Lcolon K]=n$ and so by $mcdot n$. Therefore, we must have equality, $[L(alpha) colon L] = m$, and thus $f$ is irreducible in $L[x]$.






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                                                Hint: $f$ in $K[x]$ irreducible of degree $m$, $K subset L$ of degree $n$, $(m,n)=1$, implies $f$ stays irreducible in $L[x]$.



                                                $bf{Added:}$



                                                Let $alpha$ a root of $f$. We have
                                                $$[L(alpha) colon K]= [L(alpha) colon L]cdot [Lcolon K] le m cdot n$$



                                                But $[L(alpha) colon K]$ is divisible by both $[K(alpha) colon K]=m$ and $[Lcolon K]=n$ and so by $mcdot n$. Therefore, we must have equality, $[L(alpha) colon L] = m$, and thus $f$ is irreducible in $L[x]$.







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