Seperating Hyperplanes and Hahn-Banach












2












$begingroup$


Let $f:X rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be convex, $x in X$. Assume further that $f$ is continuous and finite in $x.$ Then it says that by Hahn-Banach there is $x^* in X^*$ with



begin{equation}
langle y - x, x^* rangle_{X times X^*} + f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X.
end{equation}



I'm trying to understand why this is true. As far as I know, by Hahn-Banach we can seperate the convex set given by the points above the graph of $f$ from the point $(x,f(x))$ by some hyperplane. More generally, for $A,B subset X$, $Acap B= emptyset$ convex sets with $A$ open there is $x^* in X^*$ and $gamma in mathbb{R}$ such that



begin{equation}
langle a,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} leq gamma leq langle b,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} forall ain A, b in B. (1)
end{equation}



Intuitively, the above estimate makes sense. The desired hyperplane is an affine function below the graph of $f$ which intersects with the graph in the point $(x,f(x))$. But I would like to understand how this follows from the formal statement $(1)$ in the Hahn-Banach Theorem. Thank you for any help.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What does it mean for $f:XtoBbb R^n$ to be convex? Did you intend to write $f:XtoBbb R$?
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 13 '18 at 3:47






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    There are no conditions in your post that ensure that your set $A$ is open, or that the epigraph of $f$ contains interior points.
    $endgroup$
    – daw
    Dec 13 '18 at 7:49










  • $begingroup$
    I'm sorry, you're right. $n$ should be $1$ and I forgot to add that $f$ is assumed to be continuous and finite in $x$, which should guarantee the existence of interior points, I corrected my post
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:15


















2












$begingroup$


Let $f:X rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be convex, $x in X$. Assume further that $f$ is continuous and finite in $x.$ Then it says that by Hahn-Banach there is $x^* in X^*$ with



begin{equation}
langle y - x, x^* rangle_{X times X^*} + f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X.
end{equation}



I'm trying to understand why this is true. As far as I know, by Hahn-Banach we can seperate the convex set given by the points above the graph of $f$ from the point $(x,f(x))$ by some hyperplane. More generally, for $A,B subset X$, $Acap B= emptyset$ convex sets with $A$ open there is $x^* in X^*$ and $gamma in mathbb{R}$ such that



begin{equation}
langle a,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} leq gamma leq langle b,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} forall ain A, b in B. (1)
end{equation}



Intuitively, the above estimate makes sense. The desired hyperplane is an affine function below the graph of $f$ which intersects with the graph in the point $(x,f(x))$. But I would like to understand how this follows from the formal statement $(1)$ in the Hahn-Banach Theorem. Thank you for any help.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What does it mean for $f:XtoBbb R^n$ to be convex? Did you intend to write $f:XtoBbb R$?
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 13 '18 at 3:47






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    There are no conditions in your post that ensure that your set $A$ is open, or that the epigraph of $f$ contains interior points.
    $endgroup$
    – daw
    Dec 13 '18 at 7:49










  • $begingroup$
    I'm sorry, you're right. $n$ should be $1$ and I forgot to add that $f$ is assumed to be continuous and finite in $x$, which should guarantee the existence of interior points, I corrected my post
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:15
















2












2








2


1



$begingroup$


Let $f:X rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be convex, $x in X$. Assume further that $f$ is continuous and finite in $x.$ Then it says that by Hahn-Banach there is $x^* in X^*$ with



begin{equation}
langle y - x, x^* rangle_{X times X^*} + f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X.
end{equation}



I'm trying to understand why this is true. As far as I know, by Hahn-Banach we can seperate the convex set given by the points above the graph of $f$ from the point $(x,f(x))$ by some hyperplane. More generally, for $A,B subset X$, $Acap B= emptyset$ convex sets with $A$ open there is $x^* in X^*$ and $gamma in mathbb{R}$ such that



begin{equation}
langle a,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} leq gamma leq langle b,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} forall ain A, b in B. (1)
end{equation}



Intuitively, the above estimate makes sense. The desired hyperplane is an affine function below the graph of $f$ which intersects with the graph in the point $(x,f(x))$. But I would like to understand how this follows from the formal statement $(1)$ in the Hahn-Banach Theorem. Thank you for any help.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




Let $f:X rightarrow mathbb{R}$ be convex, $x in X$. Assume further that $f$ is continuous and finite in $x.$ Then it says that by Hahn-Banach there is $x^* in X^*$ with



begin{equation}
langle y - x, x^* rangle_{X times X^*} + f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X.
end{equation}



I'm trying to understand why this is true. As far as I know, by Hahn-Banach we can seperate the convex set given by the points above the graph of $f$ from the point $(x,f(x))$ by some hyperplane. More generally, for $A,B subset X$, $Acap B= emptyset$ convex sets with $A$ open there is $x^* in X^*$ and $gamma in mathbb{R}$ such that



begin{equation}
langle a,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} leq gamma leq langle b,x^* rangle _{X times X^*} forall ain A, b in B. (1)
end{equation}



Intuitively, the above estimate makes sense. The desired hyperplane is an affine function below the graph of $f$ which intersects with the graph in the point $(x,f(x))$. But I would like to understand how this follows from the formal statement $(1)$ in the Hahn-Banach Theorem. Thank you for any help.







functional-analysis convex-analysis






share|cite|improve this question















share|cite|improve this question













share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question








edited Dec 14 '18 at 2:13







jason paper

















asked Dec 13 '18 at 1:30









jason paperjason paper

13519




13519








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What does it mean for $f:XtoBbb R^n$ to be convex? Did you intend to write $f:XtoBbb R$?
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 13 '18 at 3:47






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    There are no conditions in your post that ensure that your set $A$ is open, or that the epigraph of $f$ contains interior points.
    $endgroup$
    – daw
    Dec 13 '18 at 7:49










  • $begingroup$
    I'm sorry, you're right. $n$ should be $1$ and I forgot to add that $f$ is assumed to be continuous and finite in $x$, which should guarantee the existence of interior points, I corrected my post
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:15
















  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What does it mean for $f:XtoBbb R^n$ to be convex? Did you intend to write $f:XtoBbb R$?
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 13 '18 at 3:47






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    There are no conditions in your post that ensure that your set $A$ is open, or that the epigraph of $f$ contains interior points.
    $endgroup$
    – daw
    Dec 13 '18 at 7:49










  • $begingroup$
    I'm sorry, you're right. $n$ should be $1$ and I forgot to add that $f$ is assumed to be continuous and finite in $x$, which should guarantee the existence of interior points, I corrected my post
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:15










2




2




$begingroup$
What does it mean for $f:XtoBbb R^n$ to be convex? Did you intend to write $f:XtoBbb R$?
$endgroup$
– BigbearZzz
Dec 13 '18 at 3:47




$begingroup$
What does it mean for $f:XtoBbb R^n$ to be convex? Did you intend to write $f:XtoBbb R$?
$endgroup$
– BigbearZzz
Dec 13 '18 at 3:47




1




1




$begingroup$
There are no conditions in your post that ensure that your set $A$ is open, or that the epigraph of $f$ contains interior points.
$endgroup$
– daw
Dec 13 '18 at 7:49




$begingroup$
There are no conditions in your post that ensure that your set $A$ is open, or that the epigraph of $f$ contains interior points.
$endgroup$
– daw
Dec 13 '18 at 7:49












$begingroup$
I'm sorry, you're right. $n$ should be $1$ and I forgot to add that $f$ is assumed to be continuous and finite in $x$, which should guarantee the existence of interior points, I corrected my post
$endgroup$
– jason paper
Dec 14 '18 at 2:15






$begingroup$
I'm sorry, you're right. $n$ should be $1$ and I forgot to add that $f$ is assumed to be continuous and finite in $x$, which should guarantee the existence of interior points, I corrected my post
$endgroup$
– jason paper
Dec 14 '18 at 2:15












2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes


















1












$begingroup$

Let me add another answer to address your modified question.




What we want to do is to use the Hahn-Banach separation theorem with the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$. Continuity at $x$ guarantee that $(text{epi} f)^circ$ is not empty, which is not the case if $f$ is a discontinuous linear functional.




Recall that the epigraph $text{epi} f:= {(y,r)in XtimesBbb R: rge f(y)}$ is convex, and that $(Xtimes Bbb R)^*simeq X^*times Bbb R$. Note also that for a convex set $C$ with nonempty interior, we have $overline C = overline{(C^circ)}$.



Let $x_0$ be a point in $X$, take a small $varepsilon>0$ then by continuity of $f$ we can find a neighborhood $V$ of $x_0$ such that $f(y)<f(x_0)+varepsilon/2$ for all $yin V$. This means that
$$
Vtimes (f(x_0)+varepsilon,+ infty) subset text{epi} f
$$

and hence $(text{epi} f)^circne emptyset$.



Now, let's apply the Hahn-Banach separation theorem to the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$ to get $(x^*,lambda)in X^*times Bbb R$ such that
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle + lambda f(x_0) > langle y,x^* rangle + lambda r
$$

for all $(y,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$.



The above argument with small enough $varepsilon$ shows that $(x_0,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$ for all $r>f(x_0)$, substitute this into $(y,r)$ and rearrange the terms to get
$$
lambda(f(x_0)-r) > 0
$$

which implies that $lambda<0$. We may thus rescale $(x^*,lambda)$ so that $lambda=-1$.



Since $text{epi} f subset overline{text{epi} f} =overline{(text{epi} f^circ)} $ and that $(y,f(y))in text{epi}f$,
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle - f(x_0) ge langle y,x^* rangle - f(y)
$$

for all $yin X$ (we take limit $rto f(y)$ so the strict $>$ becomes $ge$). Hence the (rescaled) functional $x^*$ is a subgradient of $f$ at $x_0$, i.e. $x^*in partial f(x_0)$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 15 '18 at 1:40



















1












$begingroup$

In general, the statement is not true.



Consider a discontinuous linear functional $Lambda:Xto Bbb R$ (which can be constructed from a Hamel basis), since it is a linear functional it is automatically convex. However, at any point $xin X$ its subdifferential $partialLambda(x)$, i.e. the set of all $x^*in X^*$ such that
$$langle y - x, x^* rangle+ f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X,
$$

is empty.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:26










  • $begingroup$
    @jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 14 '18 at 3:47











Your Answer





StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});














draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3037476%2fseperating-hyperplanes-and-hahn-banach%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes








2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









1












$begingroup$

Let me add another answer to address your modified question.




What we want to do is to use the Hahn-Banach separation theorem with the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$. Continuity at $x$ guarantee that $(text{epi} f)^circ$ is not empty, which is not the case if $f$ is a discontinuous linear functional.




Recall that the epigraph $text{epi} f:= {(y,r)in XtimesBbb R: rge f(y)}$ is convex, and that $(Xtimes Bbb R)^*simeq X^*times Bbb R$. Note also that for a convex set $C$ with nonempty interior, we have $overline C = overline{(C^circ)}$.



Let $x_0$ be a point in $X$, take a small $varepsilon>0$ then by continuity of $f$ we can find a neighborhood $V$ of $x_0$ such that $f(y)<f(x_0)+varepsilon/2$ for all $yin V$. This means that
$$
Vtimes (f(x_0)+varepsilon,+ infty) subset text{epi} f
$$

and hence $(text{epi} f)^circne emptyset$.



Now, let's apply the Hahn-Banach separation theorem to the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$ to get $(x^*,lambda)in X^*times Bbb R$ such that
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle + lambda f(x_0) > langle y,x^* rangle + lambda r
$$

for all $(y,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$.



The above argument with small enough $varepsilon$ shows that $(x_0,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$ for all $r>f(x_0)$, substitute this into $(y,r)$ and rearrange the terms to get
$$
lambda(f(x_0)-r) > 0
$$

which implies that $lambda<0$. We may thus rescale $(x^*,lambda)$ so that $lambda=-1$.



Since $text{epi} f subset overline{text{epi} f} =overline{(text{epi} f^circ)} $ and that $(y,f(y))in text{epi}f$,
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle - f(x_0) ge langle y,x^* rangle - f(y)
$$

for all $yin X$ (we take limit $rto f(y)$ so the strict $>$ becomes $ge$). Hence the (rescaled) functional $x^*$ is a subgradient of $f$ at $x_0$, i.e. $x^*in partial f(x_0)$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 15 '18 at 1:40
















1












$begingroup$

Let me add another answer to address your modified question.




What we want to do is to use the Hahn-Banach separation theorem with the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$. Continuity at $x$ guarantee that $(text{epi} f)^circ$ is not empty, which is not the case if $f$ is a discontinuous linear functional.




Recall that the epigraph $text{epi} f:= {(y,r)in XtimesBbb R: rge f(y)}$ is convex, and that $(Xtimes Bbb R)^*simeq X^*times Bbb R$. Note also that for a convex set $C$ with nonempty interior, we have $overline C = overline{(C^circ)}$.



Let $x_0$ be a point in $X$, take a small $varepsilon>0$ then by continuity of $f$ we can find a neighborhood $V$ of $x_0$ such that $f(y)<f(x_0)+varepsilon/2$ for all $yin V$. This means that
$$
Vtimes (f(x_0)+varepsilon,+ infty) subset text{epi} f
$$

and hence $(text{epi} f)^circne emptyset$.



Now, let's apply the Hahn-Banach separation theorem to the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$ to get $(x^*,lambda)in X^*times Bbb R$ such that
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle + lambda f(x_0) > langle y,x^* rangle + lambda r
$$

for all $(y,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$.



The above argument with small enough $varepsilon$ shows that $(x_0,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$ for all $r>f(x_0)$, substitute this into $(y,r)$ and rearrange the terms to get
$$
lambda(f(x_0)-r) > 0
$$

which implies that $lambda<0$. We may thus rescale $(x^*,lambda)$ so that $lambda=-1$.



Since $text{epi} f subset overline{text{epi} f} =overline{(text{epi} f^circ)} $ and that $(y,f(y))in text{epi}f$,
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle - f(x_0) ge langle y,x^* rangle - f(y)
$$

for all $yin X$ (we take limit $rto f(y)$ so the strict $>$ becomes $ge$). Hence the (rescaled) functional $x^*$ is a subgradient of $f$ at $x_0$, i.e. $x^*in partial f(x_0)$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 15 '18 at 1:40














1












1








1





$begingroup$

Let me add another answer to address your modified question.




What we want to do is to use the Hahn-Banach separation theorem with the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$. Continuity at $x$ guarantee that $(text{epi} f)^circ$ is not empty, which is not the case if $f$ is a discontinuous linear functional.




Recall that the epigraph $text{epi} f:= {(y,r)in XtimesBbb R: rge f(y)}$ is convex, and that $(Xtimes Bbb R)^*simeq X^*times Bbb R$. Note also that for a convex set $C$ with nonempty interior, we have $overline C = overline{(C^circ)}$.



Let $x_0$ be a point in $X$, take a small $varepsilon>0$ then by continuity of $f$ we can find a neighborhood $V$ of $x_0$ such that $f(y)<f(x_0)+varepsilon/2$ for all $yin V$. This means that
$$
Vtimes (f(x_0)+varepsilon,+ infty) subset text{epi} f
$$

and hence $(text{epi} f)^circne emptyset$.



Now, let's apply the Hahn-Banach separation theorem to the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$ to get $(x^*,lambda)in X^*times Bbb R$ such that
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle + lambda f(x_0) > langle y,x^* rangle + lambda r
$$

for all $(y,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$.



The above argument with small enough $varepsilon$ shows that $(x_0,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$ for all $r>f(x_0)$, substitute this into $(y,r)$ and rearrange the terms to get
$$
lambda(f(x_0)-r) > 0
$$

which implies that $lambda<0$. We may thus rescale $(x^*,lambda)$ so that $lambda=-1$.



Since $text{epi} f subset overline{text{epi} f} =overline{(text{epi} f^circ)} $ and that $(y,f(y))in text{epi}f$,
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle - f(x_0) ge langle y,x^* rangle - f(y)
$$

for all $yin X$ (we take limit $rto f(y)$ so the strict $>$ becomes $ge$). Hence the (rescaled) functional $x^*$ is a subgradient of $f$ at $x_0$, i.e. $x^*in partial f(x_0)$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Let me add another answer to address your modified question.




What we want to do is to use the Hahn-Banach separation theorem with the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$. Continuity at $x$ guarantee that $(text{epi} f)^circ$ is not empty, which is not the case if $f$ is a discontinuous linear functional.




Recall that the epigraph $text{epi} f:= {(y,r)in XtimesBbb R: rge f(y)}$ is convex, and that $(Xtimes Bbb R)^*simeq X^*times Bbb R$. Note also that for a convex set $C$ with nonempty interior, we have $overline C = overline{(C^circ)}$.



Let $x_0$ be a point in $X$, take a small $varepsilon>0$ then by continuity of $f$ we can find a neighborhood $V$ of $x_0$ such that $f(y)<f(x_0)+varepsilon/2$ for all $yin V$. This means that
$$
Vtimes (f(x_0)+varepsilon,+ infty) subset text{epi} f
$$

and hence $(text{epi} f)^circne emptyset$.



Now, let's apply the Hahn-Banach separation theorem to the open set $(text{epi} f)^circ$ and the compact set ${(x_0,f(x_0)}$ to get $(x^*,lambda)in X^*times Bbb R$ such that
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle + lambda f(x_0) > langle y,x^* rangle + lambda r
$$

for all $(y,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$.



The above argument with small enough $varepsilon$ shows that $(x_0,r)in (text{epi} f)^circ$ for all $r>f(x_0)$, substitute this into $(y,r)$ and rearrange the terms to get
$$
lambda(f(x_0)-r) > 0
$$

which implies that $lambda<0$. We may thus rescale $(x^*,lambda)$ so that $lambda=-1$.



Since $text{epi} f subset overline{text{epi} f} =overline{(text{epi} f^circ)} $ and that $(y,f(y))in text{epi}f$,
$$
langle x_0,x^* rangle - f(x_0) ge langle y,x^* rangle - f(y)
$$

for all $yin X$ (we take limit $rto f(y)$ so the strict $>$ becomes $ge$). Hence the (rescaled) functional $x^*$ is a subgradient of $f$ at $x_0$, i.e. $x^*in partial f(x_0)$.







share|cite|improve this answer














share|cite|improve this answer



share|cite|improve this answer








edited Dec 14 '18 at 3:51

























answered Dec 14 '18 at 3:45









BigbearZzzBigbearZzz

8,85921652




8,85921652












  • $begingroup$
    Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 15 '18 at 1:40


















  • $begingroup$
    Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 15 '18 at 1:40
















$begingroup$
Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
$endgroup$
– jason paper
Dec 15 '18 at 1:40




$begingroup$
Thank you very much, great answer! =) I think my biggest problem was not seeing that we can combine the dual pairing of $X$ and the Euclidean product as some pairing on $X times mathbb{R}$. It should be clear to me now, so I won't need the above counter example anymore, I just thought this could clearify the relation. Thanks!
$endgroup$
– jason paper
Dec 15 '18 at 1:40











1












$begingroup$

In general, the statement is not true.



Consider a discontinuous linear functional $Lambda:Xto Bbb R$ (which can be constructed from a Hamel basis), since it is a linear functional it is automatically convex. However, at any point $xin X$ its subdifferential $partialLambda(x)$, i.e. the set of all $x^*in X^*$ such that
$$langle y - x, x^* rangle+ f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X,
$$

is empty.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:26










  • $begingroup$
    @jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 14 '18 at 3:47
















1












$begingroup$

In general, the statement is not true.



Consider a discontinuous linear functional $Lambda:Xto Bbb R$ (which can be constructed from a Hamel basis), since it is a linear functional it is automatically convex. However, at any point $xin X$ its subdifferential $partialLambda(x)$, i.e. the set of all $x^*in X^*$ such that
$$langle y - x, x^* rangle+ f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X,
$$

is empty.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:26










  • $begingroup$
    @jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 14 '18 at 3:47














1












1








1





$begingroup$

In general, the statement is not true.



Consider a discontinuous linear functional $Lambda:Xto Bbb R$ (which can be constructed from a Hamel basis), since it is a linear functional it is automatically convex. However, at any point $xin X$ its subdifferential $partialLambda(x)$, i.e. the set of all $x^*in X^*$ such that
$$langle y - x, x^* rangle+ f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X,
$$

is empty.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$



In general, the statement is not true.



Consider a discontinuous linear functional $Lambda:Xto Bbb R$ (which can be constructed from a Hamel basis), since it is a linear functional it is automatically convex. However, at any point $xin X$ its subdifferential $partialLambda(x)$, i.e. the set of all $x^*in X^*$ such that
$$langle y - x, x^* rangle+ f(x) leq f(y) forall y in X,
$$

is empty.







share|cite|improve this answer












share|cite|improve this answer



share|cite|improve this answer










answered Dec 13 '18 at 4:53









BigbearZzzBigbearZzz

8,85921652




8,85921652












  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:26










  • $begingroup$
    @jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 14 '18 at 3:47


















  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
    $endgroup$
    – jason paper
    Dec 14 '18 at 2:26










  • $begingroup$
    @jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
    $endgroup$
    – BigbearZzz
    Dec 14 '18 at 3:47
















$begingroup$
Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
$endgroup$
– jason paper
Dec 14 '18 at 2:26




$begingroup$
Thanks for the example, unfortunately as mentioned above I forgot some assumptions. What I don't get is how we see that the subdifferential is empty in this case (or non-empty under the correctend assumptions).. of course, this corresponds directly to what I'm trying to see above, but I don't understand how we get it, or how it is related to the Hahn-Banach Theorem.
$endgroup$
– jason paper
Dec 14 '18 at 2:26












$begingroup$
@jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
$endgroup$
– BigbearZzz
Dec 14 '18 at 3:47




$begingroup$
@jasonpaper I've added another answer to address your modified question. If you're still interested in knowing why a discontinuous linear map is a counter example you can ask another question and I might come to answer. I think my answer here is already too long :)
$endgroup$
– BigbearZzz
Dec 14 '18 at 3:47


















draft saved

draft discarded




















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3037476%2fseperating-hyperplanes-and-hahn-banach%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Plaza Victoria

Puebla de Zaragoza

Musa