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I was having a conversation with family and friends this weekend and this question came up: "what was the last profitable war?" Of course in history there were wars that turned a profit, ones I can think of are the Dacian war and some of the Mithradatic wars. But once we get to a more recent history it is hard to think of many wars that have been profitable.



The best we could come up with as a possibility were some of the English wars in India. The last war we could say was definitely profitable would have been the 4th crusade, and that was only definitely profitable for the Venetian's.



I have been using google and wikipedia primarily for my research as I am on vacation, and have looked up pretty much all of the wars I can think of but I am sure there are some we have missed.



Also as a caveat, no minor wars, which would eliminate the wars the Dutch fought against minor island kingdoms in their "spice wars" and no wars where a belligerent doesn't fight but receives some recompense for being in the alliance. Also as far as profit, it has to be a financial profit, money, land, etc... No political profit, or other intangible things. So in other words, only short term profit. The profit refers to the regime, government, king in charge, not profitable to some people in society. The profit from the war is meant mainly in spoils, land, etc.



I will edit to make changes, it cant be profitable for just an arms dealer or the like. I am referring to profitable for the country, government, regime, etc. I am also talking about short term profit, 3 years from conclusion of peace. Long term profit is way to subjective. I would also say that one of the causes of Rome's problems was they ran out of profitable wars to engage in and never could meet their expenses without them.










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    It would always come down to "for whom"? As a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable, for me.

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    Apr 21 at 18:08






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    There's also the question of long-term vs. short-term profit. I've seem plausible arguments that none of the great European empires actually were financially profitable when you count all the costs. It's certainly true that big, tightly-controlled 19th and early 20th century empires correlate very poorly with subsequent prosperity. The one way that conquest seems profitable is when it suppresses existing endemic warfare enough to allow economies to grow in peace. Arguably this is why the Roman Empire worked...and why it failed when it stopped creating peace.

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    @MarkOlson: You would have a hard time arguing that the Pax Britannica didn't have the same effect for a century, from 1815 to 1914. Or that the creation of the United States from 1792 to 1945 didn't have the same effect.

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    More refinement needed: One remaining problem is "for the country". English empire expansion was great, for many in EIC, government etc, but the majority, like workers in London, Liverpool etc did not profit. Then the temporal perspective: WWII was quite a boon for…wait for it… Germany (ie its elites, since Korea boom at the latest) Where do you draw the line (what is "short term")? Iraq 2+3 was positive for US, indirectly, as SA-oil connection remained under control… How should that effect be measured?

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    War is destructive -- it harms interests -- so assessing it for profitability devalues a lot of people's experiences.

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I was having a conversation with family and friends this weekend and this question came up: "what was the last profitable war?" Of course in history there were wars that turned a profit, ones I can think of are the Dacian war and some of the Mithradatic wars. But once we get to a more recent history it is hard to think of many wars that have been profitable.



The best we could come up with as a possibility were some of the English wars in India. The last war we could say was definitely profitable would have been the 4th crusade, and that was only definitely profitable for the Venetian's.



I have been using google and wikipedia primarily for my research as I am on vacation, and have looked up pretty much all of the wars I can think of but I am sure there are some we have missed.



Also as a caveat, no minor wars, which would eliminate the wars the Dutch fought against minor island kingdoms in their "spice wars" and no wars where a belligerent doesn't fight but receives some recompense for being in the alliance. Also as far as profit, it has to be a financial profit, money, land, etc... No political profit, or other intangible things. So in other words, only short term profit. The profit refers to the regime, government, king in charge, not profitable to some people in society. The profit from the war is meant mainly in spoils, land, etc.



I will edit to make changes, it cant be profitable for just an arms dealer or the like. I am referring to profitable for the country, government, regime, etc. I am also talking about short term profit, 3 years from conclusion of peace. Long term profit is way to subjective. I would also say that one of the causes of Rome's problems was they ran out of profitable wars to engage in and never could meet their expenses without them.










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    It would always come down to "for whom"? As a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable, for me.

    – LangLangC
    Apr 21 at 18:08






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    There's also the question of long-term vs. short-term profit. I've seem plausible arguments that none of the great European empires actually were financially profitable when you count all the costs. It's certainly true that big, tightly-controlled 19th and early 20th century empires correlate very poorly with subsequent prosperity. The one way that conquest seems profitable is when it suppresses existing endemic warfare enough to allow economies to grow in peace. Arguably this is why the Roman Empire worked...and why it failed when it stopped creating peace.

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    Apr 21 at 18:25








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    @MarkOlson: You would have a hard time arguing that the Pax Britannica didn't have the same effect for a century, from 1815 to 1914. Or that the creation of the United States from 1792 to 1945 didn't have the same effect.

    – Pieter Geerkens
    Apr 21 at 18:29








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    More refinement needed: One remaining problem is "for the country". English empire expansion was great, for many in EIC, government etc, but the majority, like workers in London, Liverpool etc did not profit. Then the temporal perspective: WWII was quite a boon for…wait for it… Germany (ie its elites, since Korea boom at the latest) Where do you draw the line (what is "short term")? Iraq 2+3 was positive for US, indirectly, as SA-oil connection remained under control… How should that effect be measured?

    – LangLangC
    Apr 21 at 18:49








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    War is destructive -- it harms interests -- so assessing it for profitability devalues a lot of people's experiences.

    – Aaron Brick
    Apr 22 at 16:28














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I was having a conversation with family and friends this weekend and this question came up: "what was the last profitable war?" Of course in history there were wars that turned a profit, ones I can think of are the Dacian war and some of the Mithradatic wars. But once we get to a more recent history it is hard to think of many wars that have been profitable.



The best we could come up with as a possibility were some of the English wars in India. The last war we could say was definitely profitable would have been the 4th crusade, and that was only definitely profitable for the Venetian's.



I have been using google and wikipedia primarily for my research as I am on vacation, and have looked up pretty much all of the wars I can think of but I am sure there are some we have missed.



Also as a caveat, no minor wars, which would eliminate the wars the Dutch fought against minor island kingdoms in their "spice wars" and no wars where a belligerent doesn't fight but receives some recompense for being in the alliance. Also as far as profit, it has to be a financial profit, money, land, etc... No political profit, or other intangible things. So in other words, only short term profit. The profit refers to the regime, government, king in charge, not profitable to some people in society. The profit from the war is meant mainly in spoils, land, etc.



I will edit to make changes, it cant be profitable for just an arms dealer or the like. I am referring to profitable for the country, government, regime, etc. I am also talking about short term profit, 3 years from conclusion of peace. Long term profit is way to subjective. I would also say that one of the causes of Rome's problems was they ran out of profitable wars to engage in and never could meet their expenses without them.










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I was having a conversation with family and friends this weekend and this question came up: "what was the last profitable war?" Of course in history there were wars that turned a profit, ones I can think of are the Dacian war and some of the Mithradatic wars. But once we get to a more recent history it is hard to think of many wars that have been profitable.



The best we could come up with as a possibility were some of the English wars in India. The last war we could say was definitely profitable would have been the 4th crusade, and that was only definitely profitable for the Venetian's.



I have been using google and wikipedia primarily for my research as I am on vacation, and have looked up pretty much all of the wars I can think of but I am sure there are some we have missed.



Also as a caveat, no minor wars, which would eliminate the wars the Dutch fought against minor island kingdoms in their "spice wars" and no wars where a belligerent doesn't fight but receives some recompense for being in the alliance. Also as far as profit, it has to be a financial profit, money, land, etc... No political profit, or other intangible things. So in other words, only short term profit. The profit refers to the regime, government, king in charge, not profitable to some people in society. The profit from the war is meant mainly in spoils, land, etc.



I will edit to make changes, it cant be profitable for just an arms dealer or the like. I am referring to profitable for the country, government, regime, etc. I am also talking about short term profit, 3 years from conclusion of peace. Long term profit is way to subjective. I would also say that one of the causes of Rome's problems was they ran out of profitable wars to engage in and never could meet their expenses without them.







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    It would always come down to "for whom"? As a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable, for me.

    – LangLangC
    Apr 21 at 18:08






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    There's also the question of long-term vs. short-term profit. I've seem plausible arguments that none of the great European empires actually were financially profitable when you count all the costs. It's certainly true that big, tightly-controlled 19th and early 20th century empires correlate very poorly with subsequent prosperity. The one way that conquest seems profitable is when it suppresses existing endemic warfare enough to allow economies to grow in peace. Arguably this is why the Roman Empire worked...and why it failed when it stopped creating peace.

    – Mark Olson
    Apr 21 at 18:25








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    @MarkOlson: You would have a hard time arguing that the Pax Britannica didn't have the same effect for a century, from 1815 to 1914. Or that the creation of the United States from 1792 to 1945 didn't have the same effect.

    – Pieter Geerkens
    Apr 21 at 18:29








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    More refinement needed: One remaining problem is "for the country". English empire expansion was great, for many in EIC, government etc, but the majority, like workers in London, Liverpool etc did not profit. Then the temporal perspective: WWII was quite a boon for…wait for it… Germany (ie its elites, since Korea boom at the latest) Where do you draw the line (what is "short term")? Iraq 2+3 was positive for US, indirectly, as SA-oil connection remained under control… How should that effect be measured?

    – LangLangC
    Apr 21 at 18:49








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    War is destructive -- it harms interests -- so assessing it for profitability devalues a lot of people's experiences.

    – Aaron Brick
    Apr 22 at 16:28














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    It would always come down to "for whom"? As a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable, for me.

    – LangLangC
    Apr 21 at 18:08






  • 3





    There's also the question of long-term vs. short-term profit. I've seem plausible arguments that none of the great European empires actually were financially profitable when you count all the costs. It's certainly true that big, tightly-controlled 19th and early 20th century empires correlate very poorly with subsequent prosperity. The one way that conquest seems profitable is when it suppresses existing endemic warfare enough to allow economies to grow in peace. Arguably this is why the Roman Empire worked...and why it failed when it stopped creating peace.

    – Mark Olson
    Apr 21 at 18:25








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    @MarkOlson: You would have a hard time arguing that the Pax Britannica didn't have the same effect for a century, from 1815 to 1914. Or that the creation of the United States from 1792 to 1945 didn't have the same effect.

    – Pieter Geerkens
    Apr 21 at 18:29








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    More refinement needed: One remaining problem is "for the country". English empire expansion was great, for many in EIC, government etc, but the majority, like workers in London, Liverpool etc did not profit. Then the temporal perspective: WWII was quite a boon for…wait for it… Germany (ie its elites, since Korea boom at the latest) Where do you draw the line (what is "short term")? Iraq 2+3 was positive for US, indirectly, as SA-oil connection remained under control… How should that effect be measured?

    – LangLangC
    Apr 21 at 18:49








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    War is destructive -- it harms interests -- so assessing it for profitability devalues a lot of people's experiences.

    – Aaron Brick
    Apr 22 at 16:28








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It would always come down to "for whom"? As a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable, for me.

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Apr 21 at 18:08





It would always come down to "for whom"? As a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable, for me.

– LangLangC
Apr 21 at 18:08




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There's also the question of long-term vs. short-term profit. I've seem plausible arguments that none of the great European empires actually were financially profitable when you count all the costs. It's certainly true that big, tightly-controlled 19th and early 20th century empires correlate very poorly with subsequent prosperity. The one way that conquest seems profitable is when it suppresses existing endemic warfare enough to allow economies to grow in peace. Arguably this is why the Roman Empire worked...and why it failed when it stopped creating peace.

– Mark Olson
Apr 21 at 18:25







There's also the question of long-term vs. short-term profit. I've seem plausible arguments that none of the great European empires actually were financially profitable when you count all the costs. It's certainly true that big, tightly-controlled 19th and early 20th century empires correlate very poorly with subsequent prosperity. The one way that conquest seems profitable is when it suppresses existing endemic warfare enough to allow economies to grow in peace. Arguably this is why the Roman Empire worked...and why it failed when it stopped creating peace.

– Mark Olson
Apr 21 at 18:25






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@MarkOlson: You would have a hard time arguing that the Pax Britannica didn't have the same effect for a century, from 1815 to 1914. Or that the creation of the United States from 1792 to 1945 didn't have the same effect.

– Pieter Geerkens
Apr 21 at 18:29







@MarkOlson: You would have a hard time arguing that the Pax Britannica didn't have the same effect for a century, from 1815 to 1914. Or that the creation of the United States from 1792 to 1945 didn't have the same effect.

– Pieter Geerkens
Apr 21 at 18:29






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More refinement needed: One remaining problem is "for the country". English empire expansion was great, for many in EIC, government etc, but the majority, like workers in London, Liverpool etc did not profit. Then the temporal perspective: WWII was quite a boon for…wait for it… Germany (ie its elites, since Korea boom at the latest) Where do you draw the line (what is "short term")? Iraq 2+3 was positive for US, indirectly, as SA-oil connection remained under control… How should that effect be measured?

– LangLangC
Apr 21 at 18:49







More refinement needed: One remaining problem is "for the country". English empire expansion was great, for many in EIC, government etc, but the majority, like workers in London, Liverpool etc did not profit. Then the temporal perspective: WWII was quite a boon for…wait for it… Germany (ie its elites, since Korea boom at the latest) Where do you draw the line (what is "short term")? Iraq 2+3 was positive for US, indirectly, as SA-oil connection remained under control… How should that effect be measured?

– LangLangC
Apr 21 at 18:49






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War is destructive -- it harms interests -- so assessing it for profitability devalues a lot of people's experiences.

– Aaron Brick
Apr 22 at 16:28





War is destructive -- it harms interests -- so assessing it for profitability devalues a lot of people's experiences.

– Aaron Brick
Apr 22 at 16:28










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When was the last profitable war?




I would say all wars are profitable for somebody. The second gulf war has been estimated by both the chief economist of the world bank (a nobel prize winning economist) and a Harvard Economy Professor to cost 3 trillion dollars by when it's all said and done back in 2008. A lot of people walked away from that war with a lot of cheddar.




Financial cost of the Iraq War

Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in a study published in March 2008




But if you are looking for a war which actually turned a profit. Then the first Gulf War came pretty close.




Gulf War Fast Facts

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.







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  • What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

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    Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

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From 1618 to 1871 the Electorate and Duchy of Brandenburg-Prussia did very well for itself, thank you very much, in a long series of wars, expanding significantly on each cycle:




  • Thirty Years War (1618-1648)


  • War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)


  • Seven Years War (1756-1763)


  • Partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, 1795)


  • French Revolutionary Wars (1790-1815)


  • Austro-Prussian War (1866)


  • Franco-Prussian War (1870)



Likewise the United Kingdom did well in all of the same wars that it chose to participate in over the same period, plus the War of Spanish Succession in which it acquired Gibraltar.



The United States did well for itself in a century long series of Indian Wars plus the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War, stretching from its independence into the pre-WW1 twentieth century.



France under Napoleon profited in both territory and allies from all of (mostly at the expense of Austria):




  • War of the Third Coalition (1803-1806)


  • War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-7)


  • War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)





The Last Profitable War - by any stretch - must be at least World War Two for the U.S.



United States industry reaped immense profits from 1945 to about 1970 literally rebuilding Europe. That great boom that spawned the Baby Boomers - that was all the result of the U.S. (and Canada to an extent) rebuilding Europe.






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    I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

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"Profitable" is a problem here. It would always come down to "for whom"? For a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable.

It seems to be quite the pattern that the 'greatness of a country' does usually not translate to real world material benefit for its inhabitants as a whole and at most individual levels. (Cf. Paul Collier: "Doing Well out of War", The World Bank, 1999. PDF Gerald Schneider & Vera Eva Troeger: "The Winners and Losers of War: Stock Market Effects of Armed
Conflict, 1990-2000", Estudio/Working Paper 2004/205.




… new evidence for the benefits of war to firms centrally involved in the war economy and on the nature of interactions between the state and the business sector during this period.

… at Armstrongs it implied returns to quity of over 15%, as compared with the 10.4% published, with 1916 (26%) and 1917 (15%) being the most profitable years)
AJ Arnold: ""In the Service of the State"? Profitability in the British Armaments Industry, 1914-1924", Journal of European Economic History; Rome Vol 27, No 2, (Fall 1998): 285.




Then an implicit assumption seems to be: "profitable for the aggressor", or instigator of the war, as if that would always be a one-sided affair with a clear culprit. But "first shot fired" for example is not a reliable indicator to declare a "guilty party".



It is further a problem of calculation in general. Was the British Empire a net loss, purely financially for the British economy? It would almost seem so.



At the height of the British Empire, most people in the slums of London would hardly be able to name an advantage that Empire status afforded to them.



A counterfactual thought: if wars haven't been "profitable" for quite some time now, why are they still fought, very frequently?



Equally "short term" would need a harder cut-off date set. When Iraq reunified with the lost province of Kuwait that looks "profitable" to me, and the International Coalition took its time to react. While after the second World War it looked quite bleak for Germany but in a historically short time at least the elites of the Western part began to enjoy quite a good time and ample profits from reconstruction and a booming economy.




But how has war once again become a distinctly lucrative affair? It must be recalled that waging war has not always been a loss-making business. On the contrary, at various times in European history, when the circumstances were right, the raising of private armies could be perfectly profitable.[…]



On the contrary, the long-term consequences of an internal war are im- mense — the destruction of the infrastructure, the devastation of the country- side, the roads and fields infested with mines, the growing up of a generation of children who have no experience of anything but war and violence.10 However, these costs do not have to be borne by the protagonists of the war. To adapt an old phrase, it could be said that the warlords and militia leaders have managed in an absolutely outrageous way to privatize the profits of the wars they wage and to nationalize the costs.



Apart from oil and strategic raw materials such as ores and minerals, gold and diamonds, the warlords use above all illegal or fraudu- lently certified goods to finance their wars and frequently to accumulate enormous fortunes. Trafficking in drugs and increasingly in young women has also proved extremely lucrative because of the high level of demand in the affluent countries. The economic entities of the OECD countries are not entirely blameless for the renewed profitability of war.
Herfried Münkler: "The Wars of the 21st Century", RICR Mars IRRC March 2003 Vol. 85 N 849.






If we accept the premise that "a country gaining land as a result of war" counts as fulfillment of criteria, then we have options to consider:



After World War 2.0 the assumed international consensus is often read is "no more wars —— of this kind". No aggressive wars, no territorial changes achieved by war, etc.



So, given the current conditions and prerequisites of the question: at the international "country profits", in terms of "land, spoils" etc, the examples for this should be non-existant.



But there seems to be a quite prominent exception to this:




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From the 6-Day-War of 1967:




Territorial changes: Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.




Even later, the "American War" led to the formation of Vietnam in 1975.



In the case of the 6-Day-War Israel kept the entire city of Jerusalem. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt, albeit much later, and 'kept' Golan, Gaza, and the West-Bank territories didn't return to Jordan neither. Strategically all of these are seen as valuable assets (although politically or even financially there is 'debate' about this).





Some theoretical problems or considerations that cast a shadow on this:




A war fought to influence expectations about the outcome of a contest in which states try to disarm each other can also be represented by a costly lottery. However, I have shown that such a lottery need bear little resemblance to one representing a war that could lead to the disarmament of one side or the other-it is even possible for a state to improve the expected outcome of peace negotiations by losing battles, if in so doing it alters its opponent's expectations concerning the costs that would be associated with a fight to the finish.
It is the difference between the two types of costly lottery that is the source of confusion and error, a confusion that characterizes not only the theoretical literature on war but the empirical literature as well. For example, Stam (1996) does not distinguish between military stalemates and negotiated settlements in coding the outcomes of wars, nor does he distinguish the information conveyed by military operations from their effect on the relative power of the combatants, which makes his empirical results hard to interpret. Similarly, Walter, in an influential article on civil wars, does not distinguish between military defeats and outcomes in which one side or the other simply agreed to cease fighting and disband (1997, 344-345).

This seems to imply that if, in a civil war, a government unilaterally instituted political reforms which deprived a rebel group of its support so that it stopped fighting, this outcome would be coded as a "decisive victory" rather than a "successful settlement' which makes her empirical results difficult to interpret as well. […]



Ideally we might want to make it easy for states to agree to a compromise settlement as an alternative to war, but have political leaders believe that starting a war is very dangerous. Unfortunately it is not possible for both to be true. Thus the possibility of negotiated settlements calls into question at least one version of the obsolescence of war thesis (like strikes, the fact that the last war was horrible in retrospect does not imply that the next war will seem horrible in prospect), as well as many discussions of deterrence, which often assume that states rcsan make take-it-or-leave-it offers.
R. Harrison Wagner: "Bargaining and War", American Journal of Political Science, Vol. 44, No. 3 (Jul., 2000), pp. 469-484. (link)







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  • was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

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    Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

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    If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

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    "For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

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    No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

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"Profitable for who" would be the correct question here. The last profitable war is even the war in Syria.



Due to all recent wars, including this one, the arms industry profited immensely. Here are some 2017 profits, from which the largest part is directly-war related.





  1. Lockheed Martin Corp. (NYSE: LMT): Profit from aircraft, missiles, drones, fire control systems, helicopters, ships, and space systems.




    • Total revenue: $51.05 billion

    • Net income: $2.00 billion




  2. The Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA): Military programs, including the KC-46A tanker, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, and Apache combat helicopter, accounted for more than $21 billion of Boeing’s fiscal year 2017.




    • Total Revenue: $93.39 billion

    • Net Income: $8.20 billion




  3. General Dynamics Corp. (NYSE: GD): Abrams main battle tank, Information Systems and technology.




    • Total Revenue: $30.97 billion

    • Net Income: $9.56 billion




  4. Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN): Missile systems, sales to US gov.




    • Total Revenue: $25.35 billion

    • Net Income: $2.00 billion




  5. Northrop Grumman Corp. (NYSE: NOC): Aerospace systems (control systems for the F/A 18, B52, A10), mission systems, and technology services.




    • Total Revenue: $25.80 billion

    • Net Income: $2.02 billion




Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #034: War is good for business. And guess who the Ferengi are ?



Here is a top 20 of companies that profited from recent wars with exact numbers.






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  • In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

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  • Please see my comment to the actual question.

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  • If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

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  • They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

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  • Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

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Question:

When was the last profitable war?




I would say all wars are profitable for somebody. The second gulf war has been estimated by both the chief economist of the world bank (a nobel prize winning economist) and a Harvard Economy Professor to cost 3 trillion dollars by when it's all said and done back in 2008. A lot of people walked away from that war with a lot of cheddar.




Financial cost of the Iraq War

Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in a study published in March 2008




But if you are looking for a war which actually turned a profit. Then the first Gulf War came pretty close.




Gulf War Fast Facts

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.







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  • What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:32






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    Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

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    Apr 22 at 20:18


















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Question:

When was the last profitable war?




I would say all wars are profitable for somebody. The second gulf war has been estimated by both the chief economist of the world bank (a nobel prize winning economist) and a Harvard Economy Professor to cost 3 trillion dollars by when it's all said and done back in 2008. A lot of people walked away from that war with a lot of cheddar.




Financial cost of the Iraq War

Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in a study published in March 2008




But if you are looking for a war which actually turned a profit. Then the first Gulf War came pretty close.




Gulf War Fast Facts

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.







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  • What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:32






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    Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

    – jean
    Apr 22 at 20:18
















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Question:

When was the last profitable war?




I would say all wars are profitable for somebody. The second gulf war has been estimated by both the chief economist of the world bank (a nobel prize winning economist) and a Harvard Economy Professor to cost 3 trillion dollars by when it's all said and done back in 2008. A lot of people walked away from that war with a lot of cheddar.




Financial cost of the Iraq War

Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in a study published in March 2008




But if you are looking for a war which actually turned a profit. Then the first Gulf War came pretty close.




Gulf War Fast Facts

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.







share|improve this answer














Question:

When was the last profitable war?




I would say all wars are profitable for somebody. The second gulf war has been estimated by both the chief economist of the world bank (a nobel prize winning economist) and a Harvard Economy Professor to cost 3 trillion dollars by when it's all said and done back in 2008. A lot of people walked away from that war with a lot of cheddar.




Financial cost of the Iraq War

Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University, have stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, described in their book The Three Trillion Dollar War and possibly more in a study published in March 2008




But if you are looking for a war which actually turned a profit. Then the first Gulf War came pretty close.




Gulf War Fast Facts

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.








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  • What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:32






  • 2





    Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

    – jean
    Apr 22 at 20:18





















  • What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:32






  • 2





    Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

    – jean
    Apr 22 at 20:18



















What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

– ed.hank
Apr 22 at 12:32





What is an "incremental" cost? Is that saying the entire first gulf war cost a total of 61 billion with the USA paying 7 billion of that? What did we get in return for that 7 billion, access to Kuwaiti oil fields?

– ed.hank
Apr 22 at 12:32




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Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

– jean
Apr 22 at 20:18







Even if there is a net loss remember the costs are paid by the taxpayers and the profits go to oil companies and to those trading oil as a commodity (wall street)

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From 1618 to 1871 the Electorate and Duchy of Brandenburg-Prussia did very well for itself, thank you very much, in a long series of wars, expanding significantly on each cycle:




  • Thirty Years War (1618-1648)


  • War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)


  • Seven Years War (1756-1763)


  • Partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, 1795)


  • French Revolutionary Wars (1790-1815)


  • Austro-Prussian War (1866)


  • Franco-Prussian War (1870)



Likewise the United Kingdom did well in all of the same wars that it chose to participate in over the same period, plus the War of Spanish Succession in which it acquired Gibraltar.



The United States did well for itself in a century long series of Indian Wars plus the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War, stretching from its independence into the pre-WW1 twentieth century.



France under Napoleon profited in both territory and allies from all of (mostly at the expense of Austria):




  • War of the Third Coalition (1803-1806)


  • War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-7)


  • War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)





The Last Profitable War - by any stretch - must be at least World War Two for the U.S.



United States industry reaped immense profits from 1945 to about 1970 literally rebuilding Europe. That great boom that spawned the Baby Boomers - that was all the result of the U.S. (and Canada to an extent) rebuilding Europe.






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    I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

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From 1618 to 1871 the Electorate and Duchy of Brandenburg-Prussia did very well for itself, thank you very much, in a long series of wars, expanding significantly on each cycle:




  • Thirty Years War (1618-1648)


  • War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)


  • Seven Years War (1756-1763)


  • Partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, 1795)


  • French Revolutionary Wars (1790-1815)


  • Austro-Prussian War (1866)


  • Franco-Prussian War (1870)



Likewise the United Kingdom did well in all of the same wars that it chose to participate in over the same period, plus the War of Spanish Succession in which it acquired Gibraltar.



The United States did well for itself in a century long series of Indian Wars plus the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War, stretching from its independence into the pre-WW1 twentieth century.



France under Napoleon profited in both territory and allies from all of (mostly at the expense of Austria):




  • War of the Third Coalition (1803-1806)


  • War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-7)


  • War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)





The Last Profitable War - by any stretch - must be at least World War Two for the U.S.



United States industry reaped immense profits from 1945 to about 1970 literally rebuilding Europe. That great boom that spawned the Baby Boomers - that was all the result of the U.S. (and Canada to an extent) rebuilding Europe.






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  • 1





    I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 21 at 18:44














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From 1618 to 1871 the Electorate and Duchy of Brandenburg-Prussia did very well for itself, thank you very much, in a long series of wars, expanding significantly on each cycle:




  • Thirty Years War (1618-1648)


  • War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)


  • Seven Years War (1756-1763)


  • Partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, 1795)


  • French Revolutionary Wars (1790-1815)


  • Austro-Prussian War (1866)


  • Franco-Prussian War (1870)



Likewise the United Kingdom did well in all of the same wars that it chose to participate in over the same period, plus the War of Spanish Succession in which it acquired Gibraltar.



The United States did well for itself in a century long series of Indian Wars plus the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War, stretching from its independence into the pre-WW1 twentieth century.



France under Napoleon profited in both territory and allies from all of (mostly at the expense of Austria):




  • War of the Third Coalition (1803-1806)


  • War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-7)


  • War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)





The Last Profitable War - by any stretch - must be at least World War Two for the U.S.



United States industry reaped immense profits from 1945 to about 1970 literally rebuilding Europe. That great boom that spawned the Baby Boomers - that was all the result of the U.S. (and Canada to an extent) rebuilding Europe.






share|improve this answer















From 1618 to 1871 the Electorate and Duchy of Brandenburg-Prussia did very well for itself, thank you very much, in a long series of wars, expanding significantly on each cycle:




  • Thirty Years War (1618-1648)


  • War of Austrian Succession (1740-1748)


  • Seven Years War (1756-1763)


  • Partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, 1795)


  • French Revolutionary Wars (1790-1815)


  • Austro-Prussian War (1866)


  • Franco-Prussian War (1870)



Likewise the United Kingdom did well in all of the same wars that it chose to participate in over the same period, plus the War of Spanish Succession in which it acquired Gibraltar.



The United States did well for itself in a century long series of Indian Wars plus the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War, stretching from its independence into the pre-WW1 twentieth century.



France under Napoleon profited in both territory and allies from all of (mostly at the expense of Austria):




  • War of the Third Coalition (1803-1806)


  • War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-7)


  • War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)





The Last Profitable War - by any stretch - must be at least World War Two for the U.S.



United States industry reaped immense profits from 1945 to about 1970 literally rebuilding Europe. That great boom that spawned the Baby Boomers - that was all the result of the U.S. (and Canada to an extent) rebuilding Europe.







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    I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 21 at 18:44














  • 1





    I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 21 at 18:44








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I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

– ed.hank
Apr 21 at 18:44





I edited the question some. I think I am more interested in short term profits, ie spoils of war. Not so much long term effects. I will check out the Prussian wars as I am not well read on them.

– ed.hank
Apr 21 at 18:44











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"Profitable" is a problem here. It would always come down to "for whom"? For a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable.

It seems to be quite the pattern that the 'greatness of a country' does usually not translate to real world material benefit for its inhabitants as a whole and at most individual levels. (Cf. Paul Collier: "Doing Well out of War", The World Bank, 1999. PDF Gerald Schneider & Vera Eva Troeger: "The Winners and Losers of War: Stock Market Effects of Armed
Conflict, 1990-2000", Estudio/Working Paper 2004/205.




… new evidence for the benefits of war to firms centrally involved in the war economy and on the nature of interactions between the state and the business sector during this period.

… at Armstrongs it implied returns to quity of over 15%, as compared with the 10.4% published, with 1916 (26%) and 1917 (15%) being the most profitable years)
AJ Arnold: ""In the Service of the State"? Profitability in the British Armaments Industry, 1914-1924", Journal of European Economic History; Rome Vol 27, No 2, (Fall 1998): 285.




Then an implicit assumption seems to be: "profitable for the aggressor", or instigator of the war, as if that would always be a one-sided affair with a clear culprit. But "first shot fired" for example is not a reliable indicator to declare a "guilty party".



It is further a problem of calculation in general. Was the British Empire a net loss, purely financially for the British economy? It would almost seem so.



At the height of the British Empire, most people in the slums of London would hardly be able to name an advantage that Empire status afforded to them.



A counterfactual thought: if wars haven't been "profitable" for quite some time now, why are they still fought, very frequently?



Equally "short term" would need a harder cut-off date set. When Iraq reunified with the lost province of Kuwait that looks "profitable" to me, and the International Coalition took its time to react. While after the second World War it looked quite bleak for Germany but in a historically short time at least the elites of the Western part began to enjoy quite a good time and ample profits from reconstruction and a booming economy.




But how has war once again become a distinctly lucrative affair? It must be recalled that waging war has not always been a loss-making business. On the contrary, at various times in European history, when the circumstances were right, the raising of private armies could be perfectly profitable.[…]



On the contrary, the long-term consequences of an internal war are im- mense — the destruction of the infrastructure, the devastation of the country- side, the roads and fields infested with mines, the growing up of a generation of children who have no experience of anything but war and violence.10 However, these costs do not have to be borne by the protagonists of the war. To adapt an old phrase, it could be said that the warlords and militia leaders have managed in an absolutely outrageous way to privatize the profits of the wars they wage and to nationalize the costs.



Apart from oil and strategic raw materials such as ores and minerals, gold and diamonds, the warlords use above all illegal or fraudu- lently certified goods to finance their wars and frequently to accumulate enormous fortunes. Trafficking in drugs and increasingly in young women has also proved extremely lucrative because of the high level of demand in the affluent countries. The economic entities of the OECD countries are not entirely blameless for the renewed profitability of war.
Herfried Münkler: "The Wars of the 21st Century", RICR Mars IRRC March 2003 Vol. 85 N 849.






If we accept the premise that "a country gaining land as a result of war" counts as fulfillment of criteria, then we have options to consider:



After World War 2.0 the assumed international consensus is often read is "no more wars —— of this kind". No aggressive wars, no territorial changes achieved by war, etc.



So, given the current conditions and prerequisites of the question: at the international "country profits", in terms of "land, spoils" etc, the examples for this should be non-existant.



But there seems to be a quite prominent exception to this:




enter image description here




From the 6-Day-War of 1967:




Territorial changes: Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.




Even later, the "American War" led to the formation of Vietnam in 1975.



In the case of the 6-Day-War Israel kept the entire city of Jerusalem. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt, albeit much later, and 'kept' Golan, Gaza, and the West-Bank territories didn't return to Jordan neither. Strategically all of these are seen as valuable assets (although politically or even financially there is 'debate' about this).





Some theoretical problems or considerations that cast a shadow on this:




A war fought to influence expectations about the outcome of a contest in which states try to disarm each other can also be represented by a costly lottery. However, I have shown that such a lottery need bear little resemblance to one representing a war that could lead to the disarmament of one side or the other-it is even possible for a state to improve the expected outcome of peace negotiations by losing battles, if in so doing it alters its opponent's expectations concerning the costs that would be associated with a fight to the finish.
It is the difference between the two types of costly lottery that is the source of confusion and error, a confusion that characterizes not only the theoretical literature on war but the empirical literature as well. For example, Stam (1996) does not distinguish between military stalemates and negotiated settlements in coding the outcomes of wars, nor does he distinguish the information conveyed by military operations from their effect on the relative power of the combatants, which makes his empirical results hard to interpret. Similarly, Walter, in an influential article on civil wars, does not distinguish between military defeats and outcomes in which one side or the other simply agreed to cease fighting and disband (1997, 344-345).

This seems to imply that if, in a civil war, a government unilaterally instituted political reforms which deprived a rebel group of its support so that it stopped fighting, this outcome would be coded as a "decisive victory" rather than a "successful settlement' which makes her empirical results difficult to interpret as well. […]



Ideally we might want to make it easy for states to agree to a compromise settlement as an alternative to war, but have political leaders believe that starting a war is very dangerous. Unfortunately it is not possible for both to be true. Thus the possibility of negotiated settlements calls into question at least one version of the obsolescence of war thesis (like strikes, the fact that the last war was horrible in retrospect does not imply that the next war will seem horrible in prospect), as well as many discussions of deterrence, which often assume that states rcsan make take-it-or-leave-it offers.
R. Harrison Wagner: "Bargaining and War", American Journal of Political Science, Vol. 44, No. 3 (Jul., 2000), pp. 469-484. (link)







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  • was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

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    Apr 21 at 21:29






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    Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

    – jamesqf
    Apr 22 at 4:46






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    If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

    – Denis de Bernardy
    Apr 22 at 8:56






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    "For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:07






  • 1





    No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:16
















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"Profitable" is a problem here. It would always come down to "for whom"? For a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable.

It seems to be quite the pattern that the 'greatness of a country' does usually not translate to real world material benefit for its inhabitants as a whole and at most individual levels. (Cf. Paul Collier: "Doing Well out of War", The World Bank, 1999. PDF Gerald Schneider & Vera Eva Troeger: "The Winners and Losers of War: Stock Market Effects of Armed
Conflict, 1990-2000", Estudio/Working Paper 2004/205.




… new evidence for the benefits of war to firms centrally involved in the war economy and on the nature of interactions between the state and the business sector during this period.

… at Armstrongs it implied returns to quity of over 15%, as compared with the 10.4% published, with 1916 (26%) and 1917 (15%) being the most profitable years)
AJ Arnold: ""In the Service of the State"? Profitability in the British Armaments Industry, 1914-1924", Journal of European Economic History; Rome Vol 27, No 2, (Fall 1998): 285.




Then an implicit assumption seems to be: "profitable for the aggressor", or instigator of the war, as if that would always be a one-sided affair with a clear culprit. But "first shot fired" for example is not a reliable indicator to declare a "guilty party".



It is further a problem of calculation in general. Was the British Empire a net loss, purely financially for the British economy? It would almost seem so.



At the height of the British Empire, most people in the slums of London would hardly be able to name an advantage that Empire status afforded to them.



A counterfactual thought: if wars haven't been "profitable" for quite some time now, why are they still fought, very frequently?



Equally "short term" would need a harder cut-off date set. When Iraq reunified with the lost province of Kuwait that looks "profitable" to me, and the International Coalition took its time to react. While after the second World War it looked quite bleak for Germany but in a historically short time at least the elites of the Western part began to enjoy quite a good time and ample profits from reconstruction and a booming economy.




But how has war once again become a distinctly lucrative affair? It must be recalled that waging war has not always been a loss-making business. On the contrary, at various times in European history, when the circumstances were right, the raising of private armies could be perfectly profitable.[…]



On the contrary, the long-term consequences of an internal war are im- mense — the destruction of the infrastructure, the devastation of the country- side, the roads and fields infested with mines, the growing up of a generation of children who have no experience of anything but war and violence.10 However, these costs do not have to be borne by the protagonists of the war. To adapt an old phrase, it could be said that the warlords and militia leaders have managed in an absolutely outrageous way to privatize the profits of the wars they wage and to nationalize the costs.



Apart from oil and strategic raw materials such as ores and minerals, gold and diamonds, the warlords use above all illegal or fraudu- lently certified goods to finance their wars and frequently to accumulate enormous fortunes. Trafficking in drugs and increasingly in young women has also proved extremely lucrative because of the high level of demand in the affluent countries. The economic entities of the OECD countries are not entirely blameless for the renewed profitability of war.
Herfried Münkler: "The Wars of the 21st Century", RICR Mars IRRC March 2003 Vol. 85 N 849.






If we accept the premise that "a country gaining land as a result of war" counts as fulfillment of criteria, then we have options to consider:



After World War 2.0 the assumed international consensus is often read is "no more wars —— of this kind". No aggressive wars, no territorial changes achieved by war, etc.



So, given the current conditions and prerequisites of the question: at the international "country profits", in terms of "land, spoils" etc, the examples for this should be non-existant.



But there seems to be a quite prominent exception to this:




enter image description here




From the 6-Day-War of 1967:




Territorial changes: Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.




Even later, the "American War" led to the formation of Vietnam in 1975.



In the case of the 6-Day-War Israel kept the entire city of Jerusalem. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt, albeit much later, and 'kept' Golan, Gaza, and the West-Bank territories didn't return to Jordan neither. Strategically all of these are seen as valuable assets (although politically or even financially there is 'debate' about this).





Some theoretical problems or considerations that cast a shadow on this:




A war fought to influence expectations about the outcome of a contest in which states try to disarm each other can also be represented by a costly lottery. However, I have shown that such a lottery need bear little resemblance to one representing a war that could lead to the disarmament of one side or the other-it is even possible for a state to improve the expected outcome of peace negotiations by losing battles, if in so doing it alters its opponent's expectations concerning the costs that would be associated with a fight to the finish.
It is the difference between the two types of costly lottery that is the source of confusion and error, a confusion that characterizes not only the theoretical literature on war but the empirical literature as well. For example, Stam (1996) does not distinguish between military stalemates and negotiated settlements in coding the outcomes of wars, nor does he distinguish the information conveyed by military operations from their effect on the relative power of the combatants, which makes his empirical results hard to interpret. Similarly, Walter, in an influential article on civil wars, does not distinguish between military defeats and outcomes in which one side or the other simply agreed to cease fighting and disband (1997, 344-345).

This seems to imply that if, in a civil war, a government unilaterally instituted political reforms which deprived a rebel group of its support so that it stopped fighting, this outcome would be coded as a "decisive victory" rather than a "successful settlement' which makes her empirical results difficult to interpret as well. […]



Ideally we might want to make it easy for states to agree to a compromise settlement as an alternative to war, but have political leaders believe that starting a war is very dangerous. Unfortunately it is not possible for both to be true. Thus the possibility of negotiated settlements calls into question at least one version of the obsolescence of war thesis (like strikes, the fact that the last war was horrible in retrospect does not imply that the next war will seem horrible in prospect), as well as many discussions of deterrence, which often assume that states rcsan make take-it-or-leave-it offers.
R. Harrison Wagner: "Bargaining and War", American Journal of Political Science, Vol. 44, No. 3 (Jul., 2000), pp. 469-484. (link)







share|improve this answer


























  • was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 21 at 21:29






  • 1





    Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

    – jamesqf
    Apr 22 at 4:46






  • 1





    If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

    – Denis de Bernardy
    Apr 22 at 8:56






  • 2





    "For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:07






  • 1





    No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:16














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"Profitable" is a problem here. It would always come down to "for whom"? For a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable.

It seems to be quite the pattern that the 'greatness of a country' does usually not translate to real world material benefit for its inhabitants as a whole and at most individual levels. (Cf. Paul Collier: "Doing Well out of War", The World Bank, 1999. PDF Gerald Schneider & Vera Eva Troeger: "The Winners and Losers of War: Stock Market Effects of Armed
Conflict, 1990-2000", Estudio/Working Paper 2004/205.




… new evidence for the benefits of war to firms centrally involved in the war economy and on the nature of interactions between the state and the business sector during this period.

… at Armstrongs it implied returns to quity of over 15%, as compared with the 10.4% published, with 1916 (26%) and 1917 (15%) being the most profitable years)
AJ Arnold: ""In the Service of the State"? Profitability in the British Armaments Industry, 1914-1924", Journal of European Economic History; Rome Vol 27, No 2, (Fall 1998): 285.




Then an implicit assumption seems to be: "profitable for the aggressor", or instigator of the war, as if that would always be a one-sided affair with a clear culprit. But "first shot fired" for example is not a reliable indicator to declare a "guilty party".



It is further a problem of calculation in general. Was the British Empire a net loss, purely financially for the British economy? It would almost seem so.



At the height of the British Empire, most people in the slums of London would hardly be able to name an advantage that Empire status afforded to them.



A counterfactual thought: if wars haven't been "profitable" for quite some time now, why are they still fought, very frequently?



Equally "short term" would need a harder cut-off date set. When Iraq reunified with the lost province of Kuwait that looks "profitable" to me, and the International Coalition took its time to react. While after the second World War it looked quite bleak for Germany but in a historically short time at least the elites of the Western part began to enjoy quite a good time and ample profits from reconstruction and a booming economy.




But how has war once again become a distinctly lucrative affair? It must be recalled that waging war has not always been a loss-making business. On the contrary, at various times in European history, when the circumstances were right, the raising of private armies could be perfectly profitable.[…]



On the contrary, the long-term consequences of an internal war are im- mense — the destruction of the infrastructure, the devastation of the country- side, the roads and fields infested with mines, the growing up of a generation of children who have no experience of anything but war and violence.10 However, these costs do not have to be borne by the protagonists of the war. To adapt an old phrase, it could be said that the warlords and militia leaders have managed in an absolutely outrageous way to privatize the profits of the wars they wage and to nationalize the costs.



Apart from oil and strategic raw materials such as ores and minerals, gold and diamonds, the warlords use above all illegal or fraudu- lently certified goods to finance their wars and frequently to accumulate enormous fortunes. Trafficking in drugs and increasingly in young women has also proved extremely lucrative because of the high level of demand in the affluent countries. The economic entities of the OECD countries are not entirely blameless for the renewed profitability of war.
Herfried Münkler: "The Wars of the 21st Century", RICR Mars IRRC March 2003 Vol. 85 N 849.






If we accept the premise that "a country gaining land as a result of war" counts as fulfillment of criteria, then we have options to consider:



After World War 2.0 the assumed international consensus is often read is "no more wars —— of this kind". No aggressive wars, no territorial changes achieved by war, etc.



So, given the current conditions and prerequisites of the question: at the international "country profits", in terms of "land, spoils" etc, the examples for this should be non-existant.



But there seems to be a quite prominent exception to this:




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From the 6-Day-War of 1967:




Territorial changes: Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.




Even later, the "American War" led to the formation of Vietnam in 1975.



In the case of the 6-Day-War Israel kept the entire city of Jerusalem. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt, albeit much later, and 'kept' Golan, Gaza, and the West-Bank territories didn't return to Jordan neither. Strategically all of these are seen as valuable assets (although politically or even financially there is 'debate' about this).





Some theoretical problems or considerations that cast a shadow on this:




A war fought to influence expectations about the outcome of a contest in which states try to disarm each other can also be represented by a costly lottery. However, I have shown that such a lottery need bear little resemblance to one representing a war that could lead to the disarmament of one side or the other-it is even possible for a state to improve the expected outcome of peace negotiations by losing battles, if in so doing it alters its opponent's expectations concerning the costs that would be associated with a fight to the finish.
It is the difference between the two types of costly lottery that is the source of confusion and error, a confusion that characterizes not only the theoretical literature on war but the empirical literature as well. For example, Stam (1996) does not distinguish between military stalemates and negotiated settlements in coding the outcomes of wars, nor does he distinguish the information conveyed by military operations from their effect on the relative power of the combatants, which makes his empirical results hard to interpret. Similarly, Walter, in an influential article on civil wars, does not distinguish between military defeats and outcomes in which one side or the other simply agreed to cease fighting and disband (1997, 344-345).

This seems to imply that if, in a civil war, a government unilaterally instituted political reforms which deprived a rebel group of its support so that it stopped fighting, this outcome would be coded as a "decisive victory" rather than a "successful settlement' which makes her empirical results difficult to interpret as well. […]



Ideally we might want to make it easy for states to agree to a compromise settlement as an alternative to war, but have political leaders believe that starting a war is very dangerous. Unfortunately it is not possible for both to be true. Thus the possibility of negotiated settlements calls into question at least one version of the obsolescence of war thesis (like strikes, the fact that the last war was horrible in retrospect does not imply that the next war will seem horrible in prospect), as well as many discussions of deterrence, which often assume that states rcsan make take-it-or-leave-it offers.
R. Harrison Wagner: "Bargaining and War", American Journal of Political Science, Vol. 44, No. 3 (Jul., 2000), pp. 469-484. (link)







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"Profitable" is a problem here. It would always come down to "for whom"? For a large-scale arms dealer every war is profitable.

It seems to be quite the pattern that the 'greatness of a country' does usually not translate to real world material benefit for its inhabitants as a whole and at most individual levels. (Cf. Paul Collier: "Doing Well out of War", The World Bank, 1999. PDF Gerald Schneider & Vera Eva Troeger: "The Winners and Losers of War: Stock Market Effects of Armed
Conflict, 1990-2000", Estudio/Working Paper 2004/205.




… new evidence for the benefits of war to firms centrally involved in the war economy and on the nature of interactions between the state and the business sector during this period.

… at Armstrongs it implied returns to quity of over 15%, as compared with the 10.4% published, with 1916 (26%) and 1917 (15%) being the most profitable years)
AJ Arnold: ""In the Service of the State"? Profitability in the British Armaments Industry, 1914-1924", Journal of European Economic History; Rome Vol 27, No 2, (Fall 1998): 285.




Then an implicit assumption seems to be: "profitable for the aggressor", or instigator of the war, as if that would always be a one-sided affair with a clear culprit. But "first shot fired" for example is not a reliable indicator to declare a "guilty party".



It is further a problem of calculation in general. Was the British Empire a net loss, purely financially for the British economy? It would almost seem so.



At the height of the British Empire, most people in the slums of London would hardly be able to name an advantage that Empire status afforded to them.



A counterfactual thought: if wars haven't been "profitable" for quite some time now, why are they still fought, very frequently?



Equally "short term" would need a harder cut-off date set. When Iraq reunified with the lost province of Kuwait that looks "profitable" to me, and the International Coalition took its time to react. While after the second World War it looked quite bleak for Germany but in a historically short time at least the elites of the Western part began to enjoy quite a good time and ample profits from reconstruction and a booming economy.




But how has war once again become a distinctly lucrative affair? It must be recalled that waging war has not always been a loss-making business. On the contrary, at various times in European history, when the circumstances were right, the raising of private armies could be perfectly profitable.[…]



On the contrary, the long-term consequences of an internal war are im- mense — the destruction of the infrastructure, the devastation of the country- side, the roads and fields infested with mines, the growing up of a generation of children who have no experience of anything but war and violence.10 However, these costs do not have to be borne by the protagonists of the war. To adapt an old phrase, it could be said that the warlords and militia leaders have managed in an absolutely outrageous way to privatize the profits of the wars they wage and to nationalize the costs.



Apart from oil and strategic raw materials such as ores and minerals, gold and diamonds, the warlords use above all illegal or fraudu- lently certified goods to finance their wars and frequently to accumulate enormous fortunes. Trafficking in drugs and increasingly in young women has also proved extremely lucrative because of the high level of demand in the affluent countries. The economic entities of the OECD countries are not entirely blameless for the renewed profitability of war.
Herfried Münkler: "The Wars of the 21st Century", RICR Mars IRRC March 2003 Vol. 85 N 849.






If we accept the premise that "a country gaining land as a result of war" counts as fulfillment of criteria, then we have options to consider:



After World War 2.0 the assumed international consensus is often read is "no more wars —— of this kind". No aggressive wars, no territorial changes achieved by war, etc.



So, given the current conditions and prerequisites of the question: at the international "country profits", in terms of "land, spoils" etc, the examples for this should be non-existant.



But there seems to be a quite prominent exception to this:




enter image description here




From the 6-Day-War of 1967:




Territorial changes: Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.




Even later, the "American War" led to the formation of Vietnam in 1975.



In the case of the 6-Day-War Israel kept the entire city of Jerusalem. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt, albeit much later, and 'kept' Golan, Gaza, and the West-Bank territories didn't return to Jordan neither. Strategically all of these are seen as valuable assets (although politically or even financially there is 'debate' about this).





Some theoretical problems or considerations that cast a shadow on this:




A war fought to influence expectations about the outcome of a contest in which states try to disarm each other can also be represented by a costly lottery. However, I have shown that such a lottery need bear little resemblance to one representing a war that could lead to the disarmament of one side or the other-it is even possible for a state to improve the expected outcome of peace negotiations by losing battles, if in so doing it alters its opponent's expectations concerning the costs that would be associated with a fight to the finish.
It is the difference between the two types of costly lottery that is the source of confusion and error, a confusion that characterizes not only the theoretical literature on war but the empirical literature as well. For example, Stam (1996) does not distinguish between military stalemates and negotiated settlements in coding the outcomes of wars, nor does he distinguish the information conveyed by military operations from their effect on the relative power of the combatants, which makes his empirical results hard to interpret. Similarly, Walter, in an influential article on civil wars, does not distinguish between military defeats and outcomes in which one side or the other simply agreed to cease fighting and disband (1997, 344-345).

This seems to imply that if, in a civil war, a government unilaterally instituted political reforms which deprived a rebel group of its support so that it stopped fighting, this outcome would be coded as a "decisive victory" rather than a "successful settlement' which makes her empirical results difficult to interpret as well. […]



Ideally we might want to make it easy for states to agree to a compromise settlement as an alternative to war, but have political leaders believe that starting a war is very dangerous. Unfortunately it is not possible for both to be true. Thus the possibility of negotiated settlements calls into question at least one version of the obsolescence of war thesis (like strikes, the fact that the last war was horrible in retrospect does not imply that the next war will seem horrible in prospect), as well as many discussions of deterrence, which often assume that states rcsan make take-it-or-leave-it offers.
R. Harrison Wagner: "Bargaining and War", American Journal of Political Science, Vol. 44, No. 3 (Jul., 2000), pp. 469-484. (link)








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  • was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 21 at 21:29






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    Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

    – jamesqf
    Apr 22 at 4:46






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    If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

    – Denis de Bernardy
    Apr 22 at 8:56






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    "For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:07






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    No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:16



















  • was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

    – ed.hank
    Apr 21 at 21:29






  • 1





    Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

    – jamesqf
    Apr 22 at 4:46






  • 1





    If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

    – Denis de Bernardy
    Apr 22 at 8:56






  • 2





    "For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:07






  • 1





    No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:16

















was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

– ed.hank
Apr 21 at 21:29





was the land the got more valuable than the entire cost of the war?

– ed.hank
Apr 21 at 21:29




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Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

– jamesqf
Apr 22 at 4:46





Hardly profitable even if the land was valuable, when the Israelis eventually gave most of it back.

– jamesqf
Apr 22 at 4:46




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If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

– Denis de Bernardy
Apr 22 at 8:56





If proxy wars count too, there is Russia (re-)annexing Crimea.

– Denis de Bernardy
Apr 22 at 8:56




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"For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 11:07





"For who" is the key part. Some corporations just sponsor all sides no matter what. It is irrelevant who wins as they will profit from the winner on the sort term and from the looser in the long term.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 11:07




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1





No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 11:16





No worries, in the next big war there will be no $ or profit.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 11:16











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"Profitable for who" would be the correct question here. The last profitable war is even the war in Syria.



Due to all recent wars, including this one, the arms industry profited immensely. Here are some 2017 profits, from which the largest part is directly-war related.





  1. Lockheed Martin Corp. (NYSE: LMT): Profit from aircraft, missiles, drones, fire control systems, helicopters, ships, and space systems.




    • Total revenue: $51.05 billion

    • Net income: $2.00 billion




  2. The Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA): Military programs, including the KC-46A tanker, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, and Apache combat helicopter, accounted for more than $21 billion of Boeing’s fiscal year 2017.




    • Total Revenue: $93.39 billion

    • Net Income: $8.20 billion




  3. General Dynamics Corp. (NYSE: GD): Abrams main battle tank, Information Systems and technology.




    • Total Revenue: $30.97 billion

    • Net Income: $9.56 billion




  4. Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN): Missile systems, sales to US gov.




    • Total Revenue: $25.35 billion

    • Net Income: $2.00 billion




  5. Northrop Grumman Corp. (NYSE: NOC): Aerospace systems (control systems for the F/A 18, B52, A10), mission systems, and technology services.




    • Total Revenue: $25.80 billion

    • Net Income: $2.02 billion




Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #034: War is good for business. And guess who the Ferengi are ?



Here is a top 20 of companies that profited from recent wars with exact numbers.






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  • In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:59











  • Please see my comment to the actual question.

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    Apr 22 at 12:20











  • If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:25













  • They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:28











  • Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:35
















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"Profitable for who" would be the correct question here. The last profitable war is even the war in Syria.



Due to all recent wars, including this one, the arms industry profited immensely. Here are some 2017 profits, from which the largest part is directly-war related.





  1. Lockheed Martin Corp. (NYSE: LMT): Profit from aircraft, missiles, drones, fire control systems, helicopters, ships, and space systems.




    • Total revenue: $51.05 billion

    • Net income: $2.00 billion




  2. The Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA): Military programs, including the KC-46A tanker, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, and Apache combat helicopter, accounted for more than $21 billion of Boeing’s fiscal year 2017.




    • Total Revenue: $93.39 billion

    • Net Income: $8.20 billion




  3. General Dynamics Corp. (NYSE: GD): Abrams main battle tank, Information Systems and technology.




    • Total Revenue: $30.97 billion

    • Net Income: $9.56 billion




  4. Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN): Missile systems, sales to US gov.




    • Total Revenue: $25.35 billion

    • Net Income: $2.00 billion




  5. Northrop Grumman Corp. (NYSE: NOC): Aerospace systems (control systems for the F/A 18, B52, A10), mission systems, and technology services.




    • Total Revenue: $25.80 billion

    • Net Income: $2.02 billion




Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #034: War is good for business. And guess who the Ferengi are ?



Here is a top 20 of companies that profited from recent wars with exact numbers.






share|improve this answer


























  • In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:59











  • Please see my comment to the actual question.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:20











  • If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:25













  • They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:28











  • Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:35














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2







"Profitable for who" would be the correct question here. The last profitable war is even the war in Syria.



Due to all recent wars, including this one, the arms industry profited immensely. Here are some 2017 profits, from which the largest part is directly-war related.





  1. Lockheed Martin Corp. (NYSE: LMT): Profit from aircraft, missiles, drones, fire control systems, helicopters, ships, and space systems.




    • Total revenue: $51.05 billion

    • Net income: $2.00 billion




  2. The Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA): Military programs, including the KC-46A tanker, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, and Apache combat helicopter, accounted for more than $21 billion of Boeing’s fiscal year 2017.




    • Total Revenue: $93.39 billion

    • Net Income: $8.20 billion




  3. General Dynamics Corp. (NYSE: GD): Abrams main battle tank, Information Systems and technology.




    • Total Revenue: $30.97 billion

    • Net Income: $9.56 billion




  4. Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN): Missile systems, sales to US gov.




    • Total Revenue: $25.35 billion

    • Net Income: $2.00 billion




  5. Northrop Grumman Corp. (NYSE: NOC): Aerospace systems (control systems for the F/A 18, B52, A10), mission systems, and technology services.




    • Total Revenue: $25.80 billion

    • Net Income: $2.02 billion




Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #034: War is good for business. And guess who the Ferengi are ?



Here is a top 20 of companies that profited from recent wars with exact numbers.






share|improve this answer















"Profitable for who" would be the correct question here. The last profitable war is even the war in Syria.



Due to all recent wars, including this one, the arms industry profited immensely. Here are some 2017 profits, from which the largest part is directly-war related.





  1. Lockheed Martin Corp. (NYSE: LMT): Profit from aircraft, missiles, drones, fire control systems, helicopters, ships, and space systems.




    • Total revenue: $51.05 billion

    • Net income: $2.00 billion




  2. The Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA): Military programs, including the KC-46A tanker, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, and Apache combat helicopter, accounted for more than $21 billion of Boeing’s fiscal year 2017.




    • Total Revenue: $93.39 billion

    • Net Income: $8.20 billion




  3. General Dynamics Corp. (NYSE: GD): Abrams main battle tank, Information Systems and technology.




    • Total Revenue: $30.97 billion

    • Net Income: $9.56 billion




  4. Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN): Missile systems, sales to US gov.




    • Total Revenue: $25.35 billion

    • Net Income: $2.00 billion




  5. Northrop Grumman Corp. (NYSE: NOC): Aerospace systems (control systems for the F/A 18, B52, A10), mission systems, and technology services.




    • Total Revenue: $25.80 billion

    • Net Income: $2.02 billion




Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #034: War is good for business. And guess who the Ferengi are ?



Here is a top 20 of companies that profited from recent wars with exact numbers.







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  • In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:59











  • Please see my comment to the actual question.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:20











  • If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:25













  • They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:28











  • Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:35



















  • In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 11:59











  • Please see my comment to the actual question.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:20











  • If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:25













  • They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

    – Overmind
    Apr 22 at 12:28











  • Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

    – ed.hank
    Apr 22 at 12:35

















In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 11:59





In that case you will have to count CIA's drug profit from controlling Afganistan's opium fields as primary. But it's not the case since the post specifies "it has to be a financial profit", which the above in my answer is.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 11:59













Please see my comment to the actual question.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 12:20





Please see my comment to the actual question.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 12:20













If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

– ed.hank
Apr 22 at 12:25







If the company was the one fighting the war (ie Dutch East India Co. or HEIC) then those profits are valid. Looking at the profits of Halliburton or PAE during the gulf war are not valid.

– ed.hank
Apr 22 at 12:25















They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 12:28





They do. Many military contractors today are private. Many more private companies are present in countries confronted to armed conflicts, including Iraq, Colombia and Afghanistan. Blackwater founder Erik Prince even said the time is right to try a new approach in Afghanistan, one that he says will reduce war spending. The way: Let him run it.

– Overmind
Apr 22 at 12:28













Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

– ed.hank
Apr 22 at 12:35





Modern Merc companies do sort of blur the line some. I would have to qualify them again based on the previous comment. If the company started the war themselves (ie the HEIC wars in India) then they are valid. If the war was started by a nation state who employs various Merc companies, then the profit should be directed towards the nation state. Otherwise nearly every instance of a war is profitable for a Merc company.

– ed.hank
Apr 22 at 12:35



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