Show that $x_{n+1} = frac{2+x_n^2}{2x_n}$ is a decreasing sequence.
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Let $x_n$ be defined as:
$$
begin{cases}
x_{n+1} = frac{2+x_n^2}{2x_n} \
nin mathbb N \
x_1 = 4
end{cases}
$$
Show that $x_n$ is a decreasing sequence.
I'm having a hard time with the sequence above. I've started with assuming that $x_{n+1} < x_n$. Now having that in mind we may inspect the following inequality:
$$
x < frac{2+x^2}{2x} iff 2x^2 < 2+x^2 iff x^2 < 2
$$
The inequality doesn't show what's needed but $sqrt2$ seems to be a point to which the sequence converges. I've also tried calculations with various initial conditions for $x_1$ and it looks like for all $x_1 > 0$ the sequence converges to $sqrt2$ while for $x_1 < 0$ it converges to $-sqrt2$.
Finding a closed form seems to not be an options since this recurrence is non-linear and i don't think it has a closed form.
What would be a formal way to show that $x_n$ is decreasing?
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Let $x_n$ be defined as:
$$
begin{cases}
x_{n+1} = frac{2+x_n^2}{2x_n} \
nin mathbb N \
x_1 = 4
end{cases}
$$
Show that $x_n$ is a decreasing sequence.
I'm having a hard time with the sequence above. I've started with assuming that $x_{n+1} < x_n$. Now having that in mind we may inspect the following inequality:
$$
x < frac{2+x^2}{2x} iff 2x^2 < 2+x^2 iff x^2 < 2
$$
The inequality doesn't show what's needed but $sqrt2$ seems to be a point to which the sequence converges. I've also tried calculations with various initial conditions for $x_1$ and it looks like for all $x_1 > 0$ the sequence converges to $sqrt2$ while for $x_1 < 0$ it converges to $-sqrt2$.
Finding a closed form seems to not be an options since this recurrence is non-linear and i don't think it has a closed form.
What would be a formal way to show that $x_n$ is decreasing?
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus recurrence-relations monotone-functions
If $x_1 lt 0$, show $-sqrt{2} lt x_n lt 0$ by induction. If $x_1 gt 0$, show $sqrt{2} gt x_n gt 0$ by induction.
– Ewan Delanoy
Nov 14 at 15:53
It is possible to get a closed form for this. Just define $y_n = frac{x_n - sqrt{2}}{x_n+sqrt{2}}$. The recurrence relation for $(y_n)$ is very simple: $y_{n+1} = y_n^2 implies y_n = y_1^{2^{n-1}}$.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:08
@achillehui How did you arrive at such definition?
– roman
Nov 14 at 16:10
@roman similar question has been asked on math.SE many times. When you are here long enough, you will pick up this trick.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:12
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Let $x_n$ be defined as:
$$
begin{cases}
x_{n+1} = frac{2+x_n^2}{2x_n} \
nin mathbb N \
x_1 = 4
end{cases}
$$
Show that $x_n$ is a decreasing sequence.
I'm having a hard time with the sequence above. I've started with assuming that $x_{n+1} < x_n$. Now having that in mind we may inspect the following inequality:
$$
x < frac{2+x^2}{2x} iff 2x^2 < 2+x^2 iff x^2 < 2
$$
The inequality doesn't show what's needed but $sqrt2$ seems to be a point to which the sequence converges. I've also tried calculations with various initial conditions for $x_1$ and it looks like for all $x_1 > 0$ the sequence converges to $sqrt2$ while for $x_1 < 0$ it converges to $-sqrt2$.
Finding a closed form seems to not be an options since this recurrence is non-linear and i don't think it has a closed form.
What would be a formal way to show that $x_n$ is decreasing?
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus recurrence-relations monotone-functions
Let $x_n$ be defined as:
$$
begin{cases}
x_{n+1} = frac{2+x_n^2}{2x_n} \
nin mathbb N \
x_1 = 4
end{cases}
$$
Show that $x_n$ is a decreasing sequence.
I'm having a hard time with the sequence above. I've started with assuming that $x_{n+1} < x_n$. Now having that in mind we may inspect the following inequality:
$$
x < frac{2+x^2}{2x} iff 2x^2 < 2+x^2 iff x^2 < 2
$$
The inequality doesn't show what's needed but $sqrt2$ seems to be a point to which the sequence converges. I've also tried calculations with various initial conditions for $x_1$ and it looks like for all $x_1 > 0$ the sequence converges to $sqrt2$ while for $x_1 < 0$ it converges to $-sqrt2$.
Finding a closed form seems to not be an options since this recurrence is non-linear and i don't think it has a closed form.
What would be a formal way to show that $x_n$ is decreasing?
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus recurrence-relations monotone-functions
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus recurrence-relations monotone-functions
edited Nov 14 at 15:53
asked Nov 14 at 15:50
roman
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If $x_1 lt 0$, show $-sqrt{2} lt x_n lt 0$ by induction. If $x_1 gt 0$, show $sqrt{2} gt x_n gt 0$ by induction.
– Ewan Delanoy
Nov 14 at 15:53
It is possible to get a closed form for this. Just define $y_n = frac{x_n - sqrt{2}}{x_n+sqrt{2}}$. The recurrence relation for $(y_n)$ is very simple: $y_{n+1} = y_n^2 implies y_n = y_1^{2^{n-1}}$.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:08
@achillehui How did you arrive at such definition?
– roman
Nov 14 at 16:10
@roman similar question has been asked on math.SE many times. When you are here long enough, you will pick up this trick.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:12
add a comment |
If $x_1 lt 0$, show $-sqrt{2} lt x_n lt 0$ by induction. If $x_1 gt 0$, show $sqrt{2} gt x_n gt 0$ by induction.
– Ewan Delanoy
Nov 14 at 15:53
It is possible to get a closed form for this. Just define $y_n = frac{x_n - sqrt{2}}{x_n+sqrt{2}}$. The recurrence relation for $(y_n)$ is very simple: $y_{n+1} = y_n^2 implies y_n = y_1^{2^{n-1}}$.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:08
@achillehui How did you arrive at such definition?
– roman
Nov 14 at 16:10
@roman similar question has been asked on math.SE many times. When you are here long enough, you will pick up this trick.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:12
If $x_1 lt 0$, show $-sqrt{2} lt x_n lt 0$ by induction. If $x_1 gt 0$, show $sqrt{2} gt x_n gt 0$ by induction.
– Ewan Delanoy
Nov 14 at 15:53
If $x_1 lt 0$, show $-sqrt{2} lt x_n lt 0$ by induction. If $x_1 gt 0$, show $sqrt{2} gt x_n gt 0$ by induction.
– Ewan Delanoy
Nov 14 at 15:53
It is possible to get a closed form for this. Just define $y_n = frac{x_n - sqrt{2}}{x_n+sqrt{2}}$. The recurrence relation for $(y_n)$ is very simple: $y_{n+1} = y_n^2 implies y_n = y_1^{2^{n-1}}$.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:08
It is possible to get a closed form for this. Just define $y_n = frac{x_n - sqrt{2}}{x_n+sqrt{2}}$. The recurrence relation for $(y_n)$ is very simple: $y_{n+1} = y_n^2 implies y_n = y_1^{2^{n-1}}$.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:08
@achillehui How did you arrive at such definition?
– roman
Nov 14 at 16:10
@achillehui How did you arrive at such definition?
– roman
Nov 14 at 16:10
@roman similar question has been asked on math.SE many times. When you are here long enough, you will pick up this trick.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:12
@roman similar question has been asked on math.SE many times. When you are here long enough, you will pick up this trick.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:12
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Note that $x_{n+1} = frac{1}{x_n}+frac{x_n}{2}.$ Then for $x_n>sqrt{2}$
$$frac{x_{n+1}}{x_n} = frac{1}{x_n^2}+frac{1}{2}<1.$$
When you fix the direction of your inequality, you'll have shown that $x_n >sqrt{2}$ for all $n$. So the inequality above shows $x_{n+1}<x_n.$
Or I guess you could let $f(x) = frac{1}{x}+frac{x}{2}$ and use calculus to show that $f(x)$ is increasing for $x>sqrt{2}$ and conclude that if $x_n>sqrt{2}$ then so must $x_{n+1}>sqrt{2}.$
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The condition, $x<frac{2+x^2}{2x}$, is the condition that would have to be true for the sequence to be increasing (since the condition says "the $n+1$-th element is larger than the $n$-th).
The actual condition has the inequality reversed, and you can prove that this holds by
first, through induction, proving that $x_n geqsqrt 2$ for all $n$.
then, proving your actual result.
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One can solve
begin{align}
x_{n+1}=frac{x_n^2+2}{2x_n}&>sqrt2\
x_n^2+2&>2sqrt2 x_n\
x_n^2-2sqrt2 x_n+2&=(x_n-sqrt2)^2\
&>0
end{align}
Which is true for any $x_nneq sqrt2$
Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
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3 Answers
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active
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Note that $x_{n+1} = frac{1}{x_n}+frac{x_n}{2}.$ Then for $x_n>sqrt{2}$
$$frac{x_{n+1}}{x_n} = frac{1}{x_n^2}+frac{1}{2}<1.$$
When you fix the direction of your inequality, you'll have shown that $x_n >sqrt{2}$ for all $n$. So the inequality above shows $x_{n+1}<x_n.$
Or I guess you could let $f(x) = frac{1}{x}+frac{x}{2}$ and use calculus to show that $f(x)$ is increasing for $x>sqrt{2}$ and conclude that if $x_n>sqrt{2}$ then so must $x_{n+1}>sqrt{2}.$
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Note that $x_{n+1} = frac{1}{x_n}+frac{x_n}{2}.$ Then for $x_n>sqrt{2}$
$$frac{x_{n+1}}{x_n} = frac{1}{x_n^2}+frac{1}{2}<1.$$
When you fix the direction of your inequality, you'll have shown that $x_n >sqrt{2}$ for all $n$. So the inequality above shows $x_{n+1}<x_n.$
Or I guess you could let $f(x) = frac{1}{x}+frac{x}{2}$ and use calculus to show that $f(x)$ is increasing for $x>sqrt{2}$ and conclude that if $x_n>sqrt{2}$ then so must $x_{n+1}>sqrt{2}.$
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up vote
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Note that $x_{n+1} = frac{1}{x_n}+frac{x_n}{2}.$ Then for $x_n>sqrt{2}$
$$frac{x_{n+1}}{x_n} = frac{1}{x_n^2}+frac{1}{2}<1.$$
When you fix the direction of your inequality, you'll have shown that $x_n >sqrt{2}$ for all $n$. So the inequality above shows $x_{n+1}<x_n.$
Or I guess you could let $f(x) = frac{1}{x}+frac{x}{2}$ and use calculus to show that $f(x)$ is increasing for $x>sqrt{2}$ and conclude that if $x_n>sqrt{2}$ then so must $x_{n+1}>sqrt{2}.$
Note that $x_{n+1} = frac{1}{x_n}+frac{x_n}{2}.$ Then for $x_n>sqrt{2}$
$$frac{x_{n+1}}{x_n} = frac{1}{x_n^2}+frac{1}{2}<1.$$
When you fix the direction of your inequality, you'll have shown that $x_n >sqrt{2}$ for all $n$. So the inequality above shows $x_{n+1}<x_n.$
Or I guess you could let $f(x) = frac{1}{x}+frac{x}{2}$ and use calculus to show that $f(x)$ is increasing for $x>sqrt{2}$ and conclude that if $x_n>sqrt{2}$ then so must $x_{n+1}>sqrt{2}.$
edited Nov 14 at 16:49
answered Nov 14 at 16:33
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The condition, $x<frac{2+x^2}{2x}$, is the condition that would have to be true for the sequence to be increasing (since the condition says "the $n+1$-th element is larger than the $n$-th).
The actual condition has the inequality reversed, and you can prove that this holds by
first, through induction, proving that $x_n geqsqrt 2$ for all $n$.
then, proving your actual result.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
The condition, $x<frac{2+x^2}{2x}$, is the condition that would have to be true for the sequence to be increasing (since the condition says "the $n+1$-th element is larger than the $n$-th).
The actual condition has the inequality reversed, and you can prove that this holds by
first, through induction, proving that $x_n geqsqrt 2$ for all $n$.
then, proving your actual result.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
The condition, $x<frac{2+x^2}{2x}$, is the condition that would have to be true for the sequence to be increasing (since the condition says "the $n+1$-th element is larger than the $n$-th).
The actual condition has the inequality reversed, and you can prove that this holds by
first, through induction, proving that $x_n geqsqrt 2$ for all $n$.
then, proving your actual result.
The condition, $x<frac{2+x^2}{2x}$, is the condition that would have to be true for the sequence to be increasing (since the condition says "the $n+1$-th element is larger than the $n$-th).
The actual condition has the inequality reversed, and you can prove that this holds by
first, through induction, proving that $x_n geqsqrt 2$ for all $n$.
then, proving your actual result.
answered Nov 14 at 15:56
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One can solve
begin{align}
x_{n+1}=frac{x_n^2+2}{2x_n}&>sqrt2\
x_n^2+2&>2sqrt2 x_n\
x_n^2-2sqrt2 x_n+2&=(x_n-sqrt2)^2\
&>0
end{align}
Which is true for any $x_nneq sqrt2$
Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
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up vote
0
down vote
One can solve
begin{align}
x_{n+1}=frac{x_n^2+2}{2x_n}&>sqrt2\
x_n^2+2&>2sqrt2 x_n\
x_n^2-2sqrt2 x_n+2&=(x_n-sqrt2)^2\
&>0
end{align}
Which is true for any $x_nneq sqrt2$
Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
add a comment |
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0
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up vote
0
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One can solve
begin{align}
x_{n+1}=frac{x_n^2+2}{2x_n}&>sqrt2\
x_n^2+2&>2sqrt2 x_n\
x_n^2-2sqrt2 x_n+2&=(x_n-sqrt2)^2\
&>0
end{align}
Which is true for any $x_nneq sqrt2$
One can solve
begin{align}
x_{n+1}=frac{x_n^2+2}{2x_n}&>sqrt2\
x_n^2+2&>2sqrt2 x_n\
x_n^2-2sqrt2 x_n+2&=(x_n-sqrt2)^2\
&>0
end{align}
Which is true for any $x_nneq sqrt2$
edited Nov 14 at 16:02
answered Nov 14 at 15:56
Kevin
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Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
add a comment |
Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
Without loss of generality, take $x_1=2$? What? $x_1$ is defined, and is equal to $4$...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 15:58
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
This answer does not address the main issue of the OP, which is that the first inequality OP wrote is incorrect...
– 5xum
Nov 14 at 16:03
add a comment |
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If $x_1 lt 0$, show $-sqrt{2} lt x_n lt 0$ by induction. If $x_1 gt 0$, show $sqrt{2} gt x_n gt 0$ by induction.
– Ewan Delanoy
Nov 14 at 15:53
It is possible to get a closed form for this. Just define $y_n = frac{x_n - sqrt{2}}{x_n+sqrt{2}}$. The recurrence relation for $(y_n)$ is very simple: $y_{n+1} = y_n^2 implies y_n = y_1^{2^{n-1}}$.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:08
@achillehui How did you arrive at such definition?
– roman
Nov 14 at 16:10
@roman similar question has been asked on math.SE many times. When you are here long enough, you will pick up this trick.
– achille hui
Nov 14 at 16:12