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This is the limit I need to solve:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4}$$




I simplified it to this:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}.$$
At this point I want to use the Sandwich Theorem on the Numerator and Denominator to evaluate the limit.



I use the fact that $lim_{n to infty} frac{a}{b} = frac{lim_{n to infty} a}{lim_{n to infty} b}$ when $bne 0$.



By the Sandwich Theorem both the Numerator and Denominator is $infty$.
Hence the answer is 1.



But if I calculate the limit whole without splitting it into two I get $frac{3}{2}$. Which answer is correct? Please Help!










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    You cannot 'divide' infinity by infinity. It is not defined.
    – thedilated
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  • Thank you! I completely missed that I did that! The fraction is definitely undefined. So we need to apply the Theorem to the whole expression.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 10:56






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    Your "simplification" is also not correct. You "trade" $n^5$ for $n^4$.
    – maxmilgram
    Nov 19 at 10:59










  • I'm sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. It should actually be: $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:16










  • And hence the simplification: $lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:17















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This is the limit I need to solve:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4}$$




I simplified it to this:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}.$$
At this point I want to use the Sandwich Theorem on the Numerator and Denominator to evaluate the limit.



I use the fact that $lim_{n to infty} frac{a}{b} = frac{lim_{n to infty} a}{lim_{n to infty} b}$ when $bne 0$.



By the Sandwich Theorem both the Numerator and Denominator is $infty$.
Hence the answer is 1.



But if I calculate the limit whole without splitting it into two I get $frac{3}{2}$. Which answer is correct? Please Help!










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  • 5




    You cannot 'divide' infinity by infinity. It is not defined.
    – thedilated
    Nov 19 at 10:48










  • Thank you! I completely missed that I did that! The fraction is definitely undefined. So we need to apply the Theorem to the whole expression.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 10:56






  • 2




    Your "simplification" is also not correct. You "trade" $n^5$ for $n^4$.
    – maxmilgram
    Nov 19 at 10:59










  • I'm sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. It should actually be: $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:16










  • And hence the simplification: $lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:17













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This is the limit I need to solve:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4}$$




I simplified it to this:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}.$$
At this point I want to use the Sandwich Theorem on the Numerator and Denominator to evaluate the limit.



I use the fact that $lim_{n to infty} frac{a}{b} = frac{lim_{n to infty} a}{lim_{n to infty} b}$ when $bne 0$.



By the Sandwich Theorem both the Numerator and Denominator is $infty$.
Hence the answer is 1.



But if I calculate the limit whole without splitting it into two I get $frac{3}{2}$. Which answer is correct? Please Help!










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This is the limit I need to solve:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4}$$




I simplified it to this:
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}.$$
At this point I want to use the Sandwich Theorem on the Numerator and Denominator to evaluate the limit.



I use the fact that $lim_{n to infty} frac{a}{b} = frac{lim_{n to infty} a}{lim_{n to infty} b}$ when $bne 0$.



By the Sandwich Theorem both the Numerator and Denominator is $infty$.
Hence the answer is 1.



But if I calculate the limit whole without splitting it into two I get $frac{3}{2}$. Which answer is correct? Please Help!







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  • 5




    You cannot 'divide' infinity by infinity. It is not defined.
    – thedilated
    Nov 19 at 10:48










  • Thank you! I completely missed that I did that! The fraction is definitely undefined. So we need to apply the Theorem to the whole expression.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 10:56






  • 2




    Your "simplification" is also not correct. You "trade" $n^5$ for $n^4$.
    – maxmilgram
    Nov 19 at 10:59










  • I'm sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. It should actually be: $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:16










  • And hence the simplification: $lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:17














  • 5




    You cannot 'divide' infinity by infinity. It is not defined.
    – thedilated
    Nov 19 at 10:48










  • Thank you! I completely missed that I did that! The fraction is definitely undefined. So we need to apply the Theorem to the whole expression.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 10:56






  • 2




    Your "simplification" is also not correct. You "trade" $n^5$ for $n^4$.
    – maxmilgram
    Nov 19 at 10:59










  • I'm sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. It should actually be: $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:16










  • And hence the simplification: $lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}$
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:17








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You cannot 'divide' infinity by infinity. It is not defined.
– thedilated
Nov 19 at 10:48




You cannot 'divide' infinity by infinity. It is not defined.
– thedilated
Nov 19 at 10:48












Thank you! I completely missed that I did that! The fraction is definitely undefined. So we need to apply the Theorem to the whole expression.
– Leon Vladimirov
Nov 19 at 10:56




Thank you! I completely missed that I did that! The fraction is definitely undefined. So we need to apply the Theorem to the whole expression.
– Leon Vladimirov
Nov 19 at 10:56




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Your "simplification" is also not correct. You "trade" $n^5$ for $n^4$.
– maxmilgram
Nov 19 at 10:59




Your "simplification" is also not correct. You "trade" $n^5$ for $n^4$.
– maxmilgram
Nov 19 at 10:59












I'm sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. It should actually be: $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$
– Leon Vladimirov
Nov 19 at 11:16




I'm sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. It should actually be: $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$
– Leon Vladimirov
Nov 19 at 11:16












And hence the simplification: $lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}$
– Leon Vladimirov
Nov 19 at 11:17




And hence the simplification: $lim_{n to infty} frac{2(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))}$
– Leon Vladimirov
Nov 19 at 11:17










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You should revise your work. My advice is to apply the Sandwich Theorem in a different way.



Note that the given limit can be written as
$$lim_{n to infty} frac{n^2cdot (frac{4 cos(n)}{n^2} - 3)cdot n^5cdot(2 - frac{1}{n^2} + frac{1}{n^5})}{n^3cdot (6 + frac{5sin(n)}{n^2})cdot n^4cdot (1 + frac{2}{n})^4}$$
Simplify the powers of $n$ and recall that, just by the Sandwich Theorem, if $a_nto 0$ and $b_n$ is bounded then $lim_{nto infty}(a_ncdot b_n)=0$.



What is the final answer?






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  • Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:01












  • Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
    – Robert Z
    Nov 19 at 11:02












  • Thank you! I now understand.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:08










  • @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
    – Robert Z
    Nov 19 at 11:14










  • I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:20




















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We have that



$$frac{(-4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$$



and we can conclude by squeeze theorem since for both bounds



$$frac{(pm4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}sim frac{-6n^7}{6n^7} = -1$$



as already noticed by RobertZ, in a simpler way, we can directly use the same argument for the original limit.






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    You should revise your work. My advice is to apply the Sandwich Theorem in a different way.



    Note that the given limit can be written as
    $$lim_{n to infty} frac{n^2cdot (frac{4 cos(n)}{n^2} - 3)cdot n^5cdot(2 - frac{1}{n^2} + frac{1}{n^5})}{n^3cdot (6 + frac{5sin(n)}{n^2})cdot n^4cdot (1 + frac{2}{n})^4}$$
    Simplify the powers of $n$ and recall that, just by the Sandwich Theorem, if $a_nto 0$ and $b_n$ is bounded then $lim_{nto infty}(a_ncdot b_n)=0$.



    What is the final answer?






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    • Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:01












    • Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:02












    • Thank you! I now understand.
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:08










    • @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:14










    • I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:20

















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    You should revise your work. My advice is to apply the Sandwich Theorem in a different way.



    Note that the given limit can be written as
    $$lim_{n to infty} frac{n^2cdot (frac{4 cos(n)}{n^2} - 3)cdot n^5cdot(2 - frac{1}{n^2} + frac{1}{n^5})}{n^3cdot (6 + frac{5sin(n)}{n^2})cdot n^4cdot (1 + frac{2}{n})^4}$$
    Simplify the powers of $n$ and recall that, just by the Sandwich Theorem, if $a_nto 0$ and $b_n$ is bounded then $lim_{nto infty}(a_ncdot b_n)=0$.



    What is the final answer?






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    • Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:01












    • Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:02












    • Thank you! I now understand.
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:08










    • @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:14










    • I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:20















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    You should revise your work. My advice is to apply the Sandwich Theorem in a different way.



    Note that the given limit can be written as
    $$lim_{n to infty} frac{n^2cdot (frac{4 cos(n)}{n^2} - 3)cdot n^5cdot(2 - frac{1}{n^2} + frac{1}{n^5})}{n^3cdot (6 + frac{5sin(n)}{n^2})cdot n^4cdot (1 + frac{2}{n})^4}$$
    Simplify the powers of $n$ and recall that, just by the Sandwich Theorem, if $a_nto 0$ and $b_n$ is bounded then $lim_{nto infty}(a_ncdot b_n)=0$.



    What is the final answer?






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    You should revise your work. My advice is to apply the Sandwich Theorem in a different way.



    Note that the given limit can be written as
    $$lim_{n to infty} frac{n^2cdot (frac{4 cos(n)}{n^2} - 3)cdot n^5cdot(2 - frac{1}{n^2} + frac{1}{n^5})}{n^3cdot (6 + frac{5sin(n)}{n^2})cdot n^4cdot (1 + frac{2}{n})^4}$$
    Simplify the powers of $n$ and recall that, just by the Sandwich Theorem, if $a_nto 0$ and $b_n$ is bounded then $lim_{nto infty}(a_ncdot b_n)=0$.



    What is the final answer?







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    • Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:01












    • Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:02












    • Thank you! I now understand.
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:08










    • @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:14










    • I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:20




















    • Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:01












    • Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:02












    • Thank you! I now understand.
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:08










    • @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
      – Robert Z
      Nov 19 at 11:14










    • I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
      – Leon Vladimirov
      Nov 19 at 11:20


















    Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:01






    Thank you for the answer! So if we just get rid of the infitesimals the answer is $frac{-6}{6} = -1$?
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:01














    Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
    – Robert Z
    Nov 19 at 11:02






    Yes, that's it! Factoring out the main powers of $n$ is the key point.
    – Robert Z
    Nov 19 at 11:02














    Thank you! I now understand.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:08




    Thank you! I now understand.
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:08












    @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
    – Robert Z
    Nov 19 at 11:14




    @LeonVladimirov Thanks for appreciating.
    – Robert Z
    Nov 19 at 11:14












    I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:20






    I'm terribly sorry. I just noticed that I wrote the wrong LaTeX formula. The limit I actually have is $lim_{n to infty} frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n)^2(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$. Would the answer in this case be $frac{3}{2}$?
    – Leon Vladimirov
    Nov 19 at 11:20












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    We have that



    $$frac{(-4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$$



    and we can conclude by squeeze theorem since for both bounds



    $$frac{(pm4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}sim frac{-6n^7}{6n^7} = -1$$



    as already noticed by RobertZ, in a simpler way, we can directly use the same argument for the original limit.






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      We have that



      $$frac{(-4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$$



      and we can conclude by squeeze theorem since for both bounds



      $$frac{(pm4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}sim frac{-6n^7}{6n^7} = -1$$



      as already noticed by RobertZ, in a simpler way, we can directly use the same argument for the original limit.






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        We have that



        $$frac{(-4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$$



        and we can conclude by squeeze theorem since for both bounds



        $$frac{(pm4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}sim frac{-6n^7}{6n^7} = -1$$



        as already noticed by RobertZ, in a simpler way, we can directly use the same argument for the original limit.






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        We have that



        $$frac{(-4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 cos(n) - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}le frac{(4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}$$



        and we can conclude by squeeze theorem since for both bounds



        $$frac{(pm4 - 3n^2)(2n^5 - n^3 + 1)}{(6n^3 + 5n sin(n))(n + 2)^4)}sim frac{-6n^7}{6n^7} = -1$$



        as already noticed by RobertZ, in a simpler way, we can directly use the same argument for the original limit.







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