Do airline pilots ever risk not hearing communication directed to them specifically, from traffic...
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I gather pilots communicate regularly with air traffic controllers within air traffic controllers' jurisdiction or airspace as they enter the space, during their time in that space and as they leave. In some or most instances, they will not land in that air space, they are simply passing through and may encounter lots and lots of regional and international air traffic.
They are routinely directed by air traffic controllers to fly at a certain direction, increase or decrease altitude for safety in order to avoid collisions and accidents. In most instances, auto pilot is engaged and I assume the headphones come off, for flights longer than say 2 hours or even 1 hour.
Speaker phone may be on but pilots can read a book or watch a movie on their laptop or revise their reading on knowledge of their ever changing craft. At a certain frequency.
I gather lots of communication to planes occurs and listening to all of them can become tedious and may require too much concentration. In this light, do airline pilots ever risk not hearing communication directed to them specifically, from traffic controllers of space they are flying past on cruise?
Does a light or sound or siren switch on when a message is directed at them and I assume they differentiate communication directed at them by their call sign, e.g., American Airlines Flight 200.
Is there a risk they might not hear it and how is that risk mitigated?
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I gather pilots communicate regularly with air traffic controllers within air traffic controllers' jurisdiction or airspace as they enter the space, during their time in that space and as they leave. In some or most instances, they will not land in that air space, they are simply passing through and may encounter lots and lots of regional and international air traffic.
They are routinely directed by air traffic controllers to fly at a certain direction, increase or decrease altitude for safety in order to avoid collisions and accidents. In most instances, auto pilot is engaged and I assume the headphones come off, for flights longer than say 2 hours or even 1 hour.
Speaker phone may be on but pilots can read a book or watch a movie on their laptop or revise their reading on knowledge of their ever changing craft. At a certain frequency.
I gather lots of communication to planes occurs and listening to all of them can become tedious and may require too much concentration. In this light, do airline pilots ever risk not hearing communication directed to them specifically, from traffic controllers of space they are flying past on cruise?
Does a light or sound or siren switch on when a message is directed at them and I assume they differentiate communication directed at them by their call sign, e.g., American Airlines Flight 200.
Is there a risk they might not hear it and how is that risk mitigated?
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCAL
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– vasin1987
Apr 7 at 8:27
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Pilots are not allowed to do any of the things you mention. Basically all they can do in the cockpit during cruise is watch the instruments, do flight related stuff (communicating, looking up procedures they'll need next and briefing them and similar), and make small talk. Definitely no book reading or using tablet except as electronic flight bag. They can eat though, and of course they sometimes need to go to the restroom.
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:41
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(and note I didn't include fly the plane, because in RVSM space, i.e. above FL290 where most airline flights cruise, using autopilot for altitude hold is required—pilots often do hand-fly approaches and departures, but nobody hand-flies in cruise (in an airliner))
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:44
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One of the reasons why pilots aren't allowed to do any of those other things: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188 (although it wasn't allowed at that time either, and yet it happened).
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– David K
Apr 8 at 11:07
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@JanHudec according to this answer the PNF is allowed to sleep - he's not allowed to do anything else?
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– FreeMan
Apr 8 at 14:03
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I gather pilots communicate regularly with air traffic controllers within air traffic controllers' jurisdiction or airspace as they enter the space, during their time in that space and as they leave. In some or most instances, they will not land in that air space, they are simply passing through and may encounter lots and lots of regional and international air traffic.
They are routinely directed by air traffic controllers to fly at a certain direction, increase or decrease altitude for safety in order to avoid collisions and accidents. In most instances, auto pilot is engaged and I assume the headphones come off, for flights longer than say 2 hours or even 1 hour.
Speaker phone may be on but pilots can read a book or watch a movie on their laptop or revise their reading on knowledge of their ever changing craft. At a certain frequency.
I gather lots of communication to planes occurs and listening to all of them can become tedious and may require too much concentration. In this light, do airline pilots ever risk not hearing communication directed to them specifically, from traffic controllers of space they are flying past on cruise?
Does a light or sound or siren switch on when a message is directed at them and I assume they differentiate communication directed at them by their call sign, e.g., American Airlines Flight 200.
Is there a risk they might not hear it and how is that risk mitigated?
air-traffic-control airliner radio-communications pilots
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I gather pilots communicate regularly with air traffic controllers within air traffic controllers' jurisdiction or airspace as they enter the space, during their time in that space and as they leave. In some or most instances, they will not land in that air space, they are simply passing through and may encounter lots and lots of regional and international air traffic.
They are routinely directed by air traffic controllers to fly at a certain direction, increase or decrease altitude for safety in order to avoid collisions and accidents. In most instances, auto pilot is engaged and I assume the headphones come off, for flights longer than say 2 hours or even 1 hour.
Speaker phone may be on but pilots can read a book or watch a movie on their laptop or revise their reading on knowledge of their ever changing craft. At a certain frequency.
I gather lots of communication to planes occurs and listening to all of them can become tedious and may require too much concentration. In this light, do airline pilots ever risk not hearing communication directed to them specifically, from traffic controllers of space they are flying past on cruise?
Does a light or sound or siren switch on when a message is directed at them and I assume they differentiate communication directed at them by their call sign, e.g., American Airlines Flight 200.
Is there a risk they might not hear it and how is that risk mitigated?
air-traffic-control airliner radio-communications pilots
air-traffic-control airliner radio-communications pilots
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCAL
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– vasin1987
Apr 7 at 8:27
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Pilots are not allowed to do any of the things you mention. Basically all they can do in the cockpit during cruise is watch the instruments, do flight related stuff (communicating, looking up procedures they'll need next and briefing them and similar), and make small talk. Definitely no book reading or using tablet except as electronic flight bag. They can eat though, and of course they sometimes need to go to the restroom.
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:41
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(and note I didn't include fly the plane, because in RVSM space, i.e. above FL290 where most airline flights cruise, using autopilot for altitude hold is required—pilots often do hand-fly approaches and departures, but nobody hand-flies in cruise (in an airliner))
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:44
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One of the reasons why pilots aren't allowed to do any of those other things: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188 (although it wasn't allowed at that time either, and yet it happened).
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– David K
Apr 8 at 11:07
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@JanHudec according to this answer the PNF is allowed to sleep - he's not allowed to do anything else?
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– FreeMan
Apr 8 at 14:03
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCAL
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– vasin1987
Apr 7 at 8:27
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Pilots are not allowed to do any of the things you mention. Basically all they can do in the cockpit during cruise is watch the instruments, do flight related stuff (communicating, looking up procedures they'll need next and briefing them and similar), and make small talk. Definitely no book reading or using tablet except as electronic flight bag. They can eat though, and of course they sometimes need to go to the restroom.
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:41
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(and note I didn't include fly the plane, because in RVSM space, i.e. above FL290 where most airline flights cruise, using autopilot for altitude hold is required—pilots often do hand-fly approaches and departures, but nobody hand-flies in cruise (in an airliner))
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:44
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One of the reasons why pilots aren't allowed to do any of those other things: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188 (although it wasn't allowed at that time either, and yet it happened).
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– David K
Apr 8 at 11:07
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@JanHudec according to this answer the PNF is allowed to sleep - he's not allowed to do anything else?
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– FreeMan
Apr 8 at 14:03
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCAL
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– vasin1987
Apr 7 at 8:27
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELCAL
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– vasin1987
Apr 7 at 8:27
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Pilots are not allowed to do any of the things you mention. Basically all they can do in the cockpit during cruise is watch the instruments, do flight related stuff (communicating, looking up procedures they'll need next and briefing them and similar), and make small talk. Definitely no book reading or using tablet except as electronic flight bag. They can eat though, and of course they sometimes need to go to the restroom.
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:41
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Pilots are not allowed to do any of the things you mention. Basically all they can do in the cockpit during cruise is watch the instruments, do flight related stuff (communicating, looking up procedures they'll need next and briefing them and similar), and make small talk. Definitely no book reading or using tablet except as electronic flight bag. They can eat though, and of course they sometimes need to go to the restroom.
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:41
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(and note I didn't include fly the plane, because in RVSM space, i.e. above FL290 where most airline flights cruise, using autopilot for altitude hold is required—pilots often do hand-fly approaches and departures, but nobody hand-flies in cruise (in an airliner))
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:44
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(and note I didn't include fly the plane, because in RVSM space, i.e. above FL290 where most airline flights cruise, using autopilot for altitude hold is required—pilots often do hand-fly approaches and departures, but nobody hand-flies in cruise (in an airliner))
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– Jan Hudec
Apr 7 at 20:44
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One of the reasons why pilots aren't allowed to do any of those other things: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188 (although it wasn't allowed at that time either, and yet it happened).
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– David K
Apr 8 at 11:07
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One of the reasons why pilots aren't allowed to do any of those other things: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188 (although it wasn't allowed at that time either, and yet it happened).
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– David K
Apr 8 at 11:07
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@JanHudec according to this answer the PNF is allowed to sleep - he's not allowed to do anything else?
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– FreeMan
Apr 8 at 14:03
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@JanHudec according to this answer the PNF is allowed to sleep - he's not allowed to do anything else?
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There is a ton of radio communication during the taxi, takeoff and departure phases, and then again during the arrival, landing and taxi phases. Pilots are generally very busy at these times and 100% focused. Airlines have two pilots, and one will be flying while the other works the radios and monitors various instruments.
Cruise is another matter. There generally isn't a lot to do other than keep an eye on the autopilot. The pilots will take turns eating, resting, going to the lav, etc. Radio work usually involves little more than getting handed from one frequency to the next. They may get rerouted due to traffic or weather, but it only takes a few seconds to update the autopilot.
Either way, pilots do occasionally miss radio calls. So does ATC for that matter. It's common enough that nobody gets worried about once or twice, though it's annoying. If it's a real radio problem, there are procedures for both sides to follow to keep everyone safe.
There (usually) isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. However, the standard format is "called station, calling station, message", so with a little training, your brain can quickly tell whether the message is for you. If so, it "tunes in" and you consciously hear the message; if not, it "tunes out" and the message is just background noise.
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
Apr 8 at 8:00
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When a pilot is given instructions, clearances etc. from a controller, the pilot has to acknowledge they've heard it and certain items need to be read back to the controller. If the controller doesn't hear anything they will repeat their message and keep trying to contact the aircraft. The rules for UK readbacks are included in a CAA document CAP413, along with other conventions and standards for communication between flight radio telephony stations
It's not that uncommon, these days, for fighter aircraft to be scrambled to intercept unresponsive aircraft
There is less communication that you'd expect once you've made contact with a controller and been given your clearances. It isn't an onerous task to listen in to all the chat and respond when you hear your callsign
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Normally pilots do not communicate much with ATCC between airports. For example, in small aircraft normally the pilot will often hear nothing from ATCC unless they have specifically requested flight following. Small VFR aircraft usually fly with a 1200 transponder code which is generic, and in that case it is tricky for an ATCC to even contact the plane at all.
For larger aircraft, usually a separation is guaranteed from instructions at the beginning of flight and contact is only necessary if something changes, so your guess that they talk to the pilots "regularly" is not really correct.
Note that most commercial aircraft monitor 121.5 in addition to their assigned frequency and an ATCC will always try that if they are getting no response on an assigned frequency. So, big planes have to screw up twice to go incommunicado completely.
If an aircraft is unresponsive, then what happens depends on a lot of different factors. The bigger the aircraft, the more actively ATC will react. If it is a small aircraft on IFR, then ATC will assume the pilot is on the wrong frequency and just steer other aircraft around them. If that causes a big problem, the offending pilot will get written up. Usually the pilot will figure out he is out of contact once he gets closer to civilization. If it is a heavy, ATC will make repeated attempts to contact and do the same thing as with a smaller plane: steer others around them. If the heavy is unresponsive and deviates from its flight plan or remains unresponsive for a long time, then fighter aircraft will be scrambled to intercept and observe them. Obviously, if a commercial crew with a lot of passengers goes unresponsive for so long that it requires an intercept, they are going to get in trouble. By "they" I mean the captain and first officer.
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So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
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– securitydude5
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@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
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– Dave Gremlin
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@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
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– Tyler Durden
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@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
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– Dave Gremlin
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@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
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There is a ton of radio communication during the taxi, takeoff and departure phases, and then again during the arrival, landing and taxi phases. Pilots are generally very busy at these times and 100% focused. Airlines have two pilots, and one will be flying while the other works the radios and monitors various instruments.
Cruise is another matter. There generally isn't a lot to do other than keep an eye on the autopilot. The pilots will take turns eating, resting, going to the lav, etc. Radio work usually involves little more than getting handed from one frequency to the next. They may get rerouted due to traffic or weather, but it only takes a few seconds to update the autopilot.
Either way, pilots do occasionally miss radio calls. So does ATC for that matter. It's common enough that nobody gets worried about once or twice, though it's annoying. If it's a real radio problem, there are procedures for both sides to follow to keep everyone safe.
There (usually) isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. However, the standard format is "called station, calling station, message", so with a little training, your brain can quickly tell whether the message is for you. If so, it "tunes in" and you consciously hear the message; if not, it "tunes out" and the message is just background noise.
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
Apr 8 at 8:00
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There is a ton of radio communication during the taxi, takeoff and departure phases, and then again during the arrival, landing and taxi phases. Pilots are generally very busy at these times and 100% focused. Airlines have two pilots, and one will be flying while the other works the radios and monitors various instruments.
Cruise is another matter. There generally isn't a lot to do other than keep an eye on the autopilot. The pilots will take turns eating, resting, going to the lav, etc. Radio work usually involves little more than getting handed from one frequency to the next. They may get rerouted due to traffic or weather, but it only takes a few seconds to update the autopilot.
Either way, pilots do occasionally miss radio calls. So does ATC for that matter. It's common enough that nobody gets worried about once or twice, though it's annoying. If it's a real radio problem, there are procedures for both sides to follow to keep everyone safe.
There (usually) isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. However, the standard format is "called station, calling station, message", so with a little training, your brain can quickly tell whether the message is for you. If so, it "tunes in" and you consciously hear the message; if not, it "tunes out" and the message is just background noise.
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
Apr 8 at 8:00
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There is a ton of radio communication during the taxi, takeoff and departure phases, and then again during the arrival, landing and taxi phases. Pilots are generally very busy at these times and 100% focused. Airlines have two pilots, and one will be flying while the other works the radios and monitors various instruments.
Cruise is another matter. There generally isn't a lot to do other than keep an eye on the autopilot. The pilots will take turns eating, resting, going to the lav, etc. Radio work usually involves little more than getting handed from one frequency to the next. They may get rerouted due to traffic or weather, but it only takes a few seconds to update the autopilot.
Either way, pilots do occasionally miss radio calls. So does ATC for that matter. It's common enough that nobody gets worried about once or twice, though it's annoying. If it's a real radio problem, there are procedures for both sides to follow to keep everyone safe.
There (usually) isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. However, the standard format is "called station, calling station, message", so with a little training, your brain can quickly tell whether the message is for you. If so, it "tunes in" and you consciously hear the message; if not, it "tunes out" and the message is just background noise.
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There is a ton of radio communication during the taxi, takeoff and departure phases, and then again during the arrival, landing and taxi phases. Pilots are generally very busy at these times and 100% focused. Airlines have two pilots, and one will be flying while the other works the radios and monitors various instruments.
Cruise is another matter. There generally isn't a lot to do other than keep an eye on the autopilot. The pilots will take turns eating, resting, going to the lav, etc. Radio work usually involves little more than getting handed from one frequency to the next. They may get rerouted due to traffic or weather, but it only takes a few seconds to update the autopilot.
Either way, pilots do occasionally miss radio calls. So does ATC for that matter. It's common enough that nobody gets worried about once or twice, though it's annoying. If it's a real radio problem, there are procedures for both sides to follow to keep everyone safe.
There (usually) isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. However, the standard format is "called station, calling station, message", so with a little training, your brain can quickly tell whether the message is for you. If so, it "tunes in" and you consciously hear the message; if not, it "tunes out" and the message is just background noise.
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
Apr 8 at 8:00
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
Apr 8 at 8:00
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"There isn't any sort of light or tone when someone is calling you. " - well, there is SELCAL, which is exactly that - but it isn't usually used in domestic operations.
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– pericynthion
Apr 8 at 8:00
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When a pilot is given instructions, clearances etc. from a controller, the pilot has to acknowledge they've heard it and certain items need to be read back to the controller. If the controller doesn't hear anything they will repeat their message and keep trying to contact the aircraft. The rules for UK readbacks are included in a CAA document CAP413, along with other conventions and standards for communication between flight radio telephony stations
It's not that uncommon, these days, for fighter aircraft to be scrambled to intercept unresponsive aircraft
There is less communication that you'd expect once you've made contact with a controller and been given your clearances. It isn't an onerous task to listen in to all the chat and respond when you hear your callsign
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add a comment |
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When a pilot is given instructions, clearances etc. from a controller, the pilot has to acknowledge they've heard it and certain items need to be read back to the controller. If the controller doesn't hear anything they will repeat their message and keep trying to contact the aircraft. The rules for UK readbacks are included in a CAA document CAP413, along with other conventions and standards for communication between flight radio telephony stations
It's not that uncommon, these days, for fighter aircraft to be scrambled to intercept unresponsive aircraft
There is less communication that you'd expect once you've made contact with a controller and been given your clearances. It isn't an onerous task to listen in to all the chat and respond when you hear your callsign
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add a comment |
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When a pilot is given instructions, clearances etc. from a controller, the pilot has to acknowledge they've heard it and certain items need to be read back to the controller. If the controller doesn't hear anything they will repeat their message and keep trying to contact the aircraft. The rules for UK readbacks are included in a CAA document CAP413, along with other conventions and standards for communication between flight radio telephony stations
It's not that uncommon, these days, for fighter aircraft to be scrambled to intercept unresponsive aircraft
There is less communication that you'd expect once you've made contact with a controller and been given your clearances. It isn't an onerous task to listen in to all the chat and respond when you hear your callsign
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When a pilot is given instructions, clearances etc. from a controller, the pilot has to acknowledge they've heard it and certain items need to be read back to the controller. If the controller doesn't hear anything they will repeat their message and keep trying to contact the aircraft. The rules for UK readbacks are included in a CAA document CAP413, along with other conventions and standards for communication between flight radio telephony stations
It's not that uncommon, these days, for fighter aircraft to be scrambled to intercept unresponsive aircraft
There is less communication that you'd expect once you've made contact with a controller and been given your clearances. It isn't an onerous task to listen in to all the chat and respond when you hear your callsign
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Normally pilots do not communicate much with ATCC between airports. For example, in small aircraft normally the pilot will often hear nothing from ATCC unless they have specifically requested flight following. Small VFR aircraft usually fly with a 1200 transponder code which is generic, and in that case it is tricky for an ATCC to even contact the plane at all.
For larger aircraft, usually a separation is guaranteed from instructions at the beginning of flight and contact is only necessary if something changes, so your guess that they talk to the pilots "regularly" is not really correct.
Note that most commercial aircraft monitor 121.5 in addition to their assigned frequency and an ATCC will always try that if they are getting no response on an assigned frequency. So, big planes have to screw up twice to go incommunicado completely.
If an aircraft is unresponsive, then what happens depends on a lot of different factors. The bigger the aircraft, the more actively ATC will react. If it is a small aircraft on IFR, then ATC will assume the pilot is on the wrong frequency and just steer other aircraft around them. If that causes a big problem, the offending pilot will get written up. Usually the pilot will figure out he is out of contact once he gets closer to civilization. If it is a heavy, ATC will make repeated attempts to contact and do the same thing as with a smaller plane: steer others around them. If the heavy is unresponsive and deviates from its flight plan or remains unresponsive for a long time, then fighter aircraft will be scrambled to intercept and observe them. Obviously, if a commercial crew with a lot of passengers goes unresponsive for so long that it requires an intercept, they are going to get in trouble. By "they" I mean the captain and first officer.
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So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
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– securitydude5
Apr 7 at 10:34
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@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
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– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 10:52
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@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
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– Tyler Durden
Apr 7 at 12:12
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@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
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– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 15:14
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@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
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– cpast
Apr 8 at 2:16
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Normally pilots do not communicate much with ATCC between airports. For example, in small aircraft normally the pilot will often hear nothing from ATCC unless they have specifically requested flight following. Small VFR aircraft usually fly with a 1200 transponder code which is generic, and in that case it is tricky for an ATCC to even contact the plane at all.
For larger aircraft, usually a separation is guaranteed from instructions at the beginning of flight and contact is only necessary if something changes, so your guess that they talk to the pilots "regularly" is not really correct.
Note that most commercial aircraft monitor 121.5 in addition to their assigned frequency and an ATCC will always try that if they are getting no response on an assigned frequency. So, big planes have to screw up twice to go incommunicado completely.
If an aircraft is unresponsive, then what happens depends on a lot of different factors. The bigger the aircraft, the more actively ATC will react. If it is a small aircraft on IFR, then ATC will assume the pilot is on the wrong frequency and just steer other aircraft around them. If that causes a big problem, the offending pilot will get written up. Usually the pilot will figure out he is out of contact once he gets closer to civilization. If it is a heavy, ATC will make repeated attempts to contact and do the same thing as with a smaller plane: steer others around them. If the heavy is unresponsive and deviates from its flight plan or remains unresponsive for a long time, then fighter aircraft will be scrambled to intercept and observe them. Obviously, if a commercial crew with a lot of passengers goes unresponsive for so long that it requires an intercept, they are going to get in trouble. By "they" I mean the captain and first officer.
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So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
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– securitydude5
Apr 7 at 10:34
4
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@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
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– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 10:52
2
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@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
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– Tyler Durden
Apr 7 at 12:12
4
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@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 15:14
2
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@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
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– cpast
Apr 8 at 2:16
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show 1 more comment
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Normally pilots do not communicate much with ATCC between airports. For example, in small aircraft normally the pilot will often hear nothing from ATCC unless they have specifically requested flight following. Small VFR aircraft usually fly with a 1200 transponder code which is generic, and in that case it is tricky for an ATCC to even contact the plane at all.
For larger aircraft, usually a separation is guaranteed from instructions at the beginning of flight and contact is only necessary if something changes, so your guess that they talk to the pilots "regularly" is not really correct.
Note that most commercial aircraft monitor 121.5 in addition to their assigned frequency and an ATCC will always try that if they are getting no response on an assigned frequency. So, big planes have to screw up twice to go incommunicado completely.
If an aircraft is unresponsive, then what happens depends on a lot of different factors. The bigger the aircraft, the more actively ATC will react. If it is a small aircraft on IFR, then ATC will assume the pilot is on the wrong frequency and just steer other aircraft around them. If that causes a big problem, the offending pilot will get written up. Usually the pilot will figure out he is out of contact once he gets closer to civilization. If it is a heavy, ATC will make repeated attempts to contact and do the same thing as with a smaller plane: steer others around them. If the heavy is unresponsive and deviates from its flight plan or remains unresponsive for a long time, then fighter aircraft will be scrambled to intercept and observe them. Obviously, if a commercial crew with a lot of passengers goes unresponsive for so long that it requires an intercept, they are going to get in trouble. By "they" I mean the captain and first officer.
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Normally pilots do not communicate much with ATCC between airports. For example, in small aircraft normally the pilot will often hear nothing from ATCC unless they have specifically requested flight following. Small VFR aircraft usually fly with a 1200 transponder code which is generic, and in that case it is tricky for an ATCC to even contact the plane at all.
For larger aircraft, usually a separation is guaranteed from instructions at the beginning of flight and contact is only necessary if something changes, so your guess that they talk to the pilots "regularly" is not really correct.
Note that most commercial aircraft monitor 121.5 in addition to their assigned frequency and an ATCC will always try that if they are getting no response on an assigned frequency. So, big planes have to screw up twice to go incommunicado completely.
If an aircraft is unresponsive, then what happens depends on a lot of different factors. The bigger the aircraft, the more actively ATC will react. If it is a small aircraft on IFR, then ATC will assume the pilot is on the wrong frequency and just steer other aircraft around them. If that causes a big problem, the offending pilot will get written up. Usually the pilot will figure out he is out of contact once he gets closer to civilization. If it is a heavy, ATC will make repeated attempts to contact and do the same thing as with a smaller plane: steer others around them. If the heavy is unresponsive and deviates from its flight plan or remains unresponsive for a long time, then fighter aircraft will be scrambled to intercept and observe them. Obviously, if a commercial crew with a lot of passengers goes unresponsive for so long that it requires an intercept, they are going to get in trouble. By "they" I mean the captain and first officer.
answered Apr 7 at 9:26
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So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
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– securitydude5
Apr 7 at 10:34
4
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@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
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– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 10:52
2
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
$endgroup$
– Tyler Durden
Apr 7 at 12:12
4
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 15:14
2
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
$endgroup$
– cpast
Apr 8 at 2:16
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
$endgroup$
– securitydude5
Apr 7 at 10:34
4
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 10:52
2
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
$endgroup$
– Tyler Durden
Apr 7 at 12:12
4
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 15:14
2
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
$endgroup$
– cpast
Apr 8 at 2:16
$begingroup$
So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
$endgroup$
– securitydude5
Apr 7 at 10:34
$begingroup$
So in essence pilots are assigned a certain frequency and its unique to each plane , also unique to each fight, so the momen they hear the radio, they know its directed to them and no one else and hence they respond
$endgroup$
– securitydude5
Apr 7 at 10:34
4
4
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 10:52
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 No. There is a common frequency for the controlling station (there may be more than one frequency if there's a lot of traffic). All the appropriate traffic will be on that channel. For example Shannon Approach is 121.400 and everyone flying into Shannon will be on that - you can listen in at liveatc.net/search/?icao=einn
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 10:52
2
2
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
$endgroup$
– Tyler Durden
Apr 7 at 12:12
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 When ATC wants to talk to an aircraft they use an assigned frequency (which is usually one of only one, two or three possibilities that are specific for that center or tower). They address the plane by using its call sign. For a commercial aircraft the call sign usually has their flight number. For example, "Contact Boston Center on 129.1, United One Seven Six Zero".
$endgroup$
– Tyler Durden
Apr 7 at 12:12
4
4
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 15:14
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 - It's not a good idea to select out other radio calls, they can tell you where other traffic is, what it is and where it's going. Actively listening to other aircraft is encouraged to increase situational awareness
$endgroup$
– Dave Gremlin
Apr 7 at 15:14
2
2
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
$endgroup$
– cpast
Apr 8 at 2:16
$begingroup$
@securitydude5 One of the skills pilots pick up is the ability to pick out their call sign in the background of radio chatter, just like you can notice when someone's saying your name in a crowded room.
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– cpast
Apr 8 at 2:16
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– vasin1987
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Pilots are not allowed to do any of the things you mention. Basically all they can do in the cockpit during cruise is watch the instruments, do flight related stuff (communicating, looking up procedures they'll need next and briefing them and similar), and make small talk. Definitely no book reading or using tablet except as electronic flight bag. They can eat though, and of course they sometimes need to go to the restroom.
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(and note I didn't include fly the plane, because in RVSM space, i.e. above FL290 where most airline flights cruise, using autopilot for altitude hold is required—pilots often do hand-fly approaches and departures, but nobody hand-flies in cruise (in an airliner))
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One of the reasons why pilots aren't allowed to do any of those other things: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188 (although it wasn't allowed at that time either, and yet it happened).
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– David K
Apr 8 at 11:07
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@JanHudec according to this answer the PNF is allowed to sleep - he's not allowed to do anything else?
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– FreeMan
Apr 8 at 14:03