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Thucydides' history of the Peloponnesian war between Sparta and Athens, of which he was a contemporary and participating general, is studied still today in war academies and by political scientists for its timeless insights and hypotheses about strategies and the causes and nature of war.



Has Thucydides been continually studied since then (5th century BC)? Did he influence the later Theban war with Sparta, and Alexander the Great? Did Roman generals and politicians read him? Was he well known in medieval Europe? Did famous later commanders like Frederick the Great and Napoleon read Thucydides? When did he reach outside of Europe and the Mediterranean? During what periods and in which regions has he been influential (today he seems to be mandatory reading throughout the world)?










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    Thucydides' history of the Peloponnesian war between Sparta and Athens, of which he was a contemporary and participating general, is studied still today in war academies and by political scientists for its timeless insights and hypotheses about strategies and the causes and nature of war.



    Has Thucydides been continually studied since then (5th century BC)? Did he influence the later Theban war with Sparta, and Alexander the Great? Did Roman generals and politicians read him? Was he well known in medieval Europe? Did famous later commanders like Frederick the Great and Napoleon read Thucydides? When did he reach outside of Europe and the Mediterranean? During what periods and in which regions has he been influential (today he seems to be mandatory reading throughout the world)?










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      Thucydides' history of the Peloponnesian war between Sparta and Athens, of which he was a contemporary and participating general, is studied still today in war academies and by political scientists for its timeless insights and hypotheses about strategies and the causes and nature of war.



      Has Thucydides been continually studied since then (5th century BC)? Did he influence the later Theban war with Sparta, and Alexander the Great? Did Roman generals and politicians read him? Was he well known in medieval Europe? Did famous later commanders like Frederick the Great and Napoleon read Thucydides? When did he reach outside of Europe and the Mediterranean? During what periods and in which regions has he been influential (today he seems to be mandatory reading throughout the world)?










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      Thucydides' history of the Peloponnesian war between Sparta and Athens, of which he was a contemporary and participating general, is studied still today in war academies and by political scientists for its timeless insights and hypotheses about strategies and the causes and nature of war.



      Has Thucydides been continually studied since then (5th century BC)? Did he influence the later Theban war with Sparta, and Alexander the Great? Did Roman generals and politicians read him? Was he well known in medieval Europe? Did famous later commanders like Frederick the Great and Napoleon read Thucydides? When did he reach outside of Europe and the Mediterranean? During what periods and in which regions has he been influential (today he seems to be mandatory reading throughout the world)?







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          Thucydides has been widely read and cited since ancient times, though not always to same extent in different periods. Martin Hammond, in his translation of The Peloponnesian War, observes:




          Thucydides was not as widely read in the fourth century and the
          hellenistic period as the more obviously attractive Herodotus and
          Xenophon, but he was far from being totally neglected, and knowledge
          of him can be found in fourth-century orators and philosophers as well
          as in historians. One remarkable example is the use by
          Aeneas Tacticus, in his work on withstanding sieges, written in the
          mid-fourth century, not only of Thucydides’ account of the Theban
          attack on Plataea in 431 but also of Brasidas’ speech before the battle
          of Amphipolis.




          Among Romans and, later, Byzantines:




          By the first century bc his history was well known in Rome. Lucretius
          ended his De Rerum Natura with an account of the plague at Athens.
          Cicero commented on Thucydides’ history, not recommending it as a
          model for Roman orators to follow, and seems to have relied on it for
          his knowledge of fifth-century Athenian oratory. The historian
          Sallust took Thucydides as a model (inter alia, for the debate between
          Cato and Caesar on the Catilinarians following the debate between
          Cleon and Diodotus on Mytilene65), and his indebtedness to Thucydides
          was remarked on by Livy and others. Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
          active in the time of Augustus, wrote essays About Thucydides and
          About the Distinctive Features of Thucydides. Quintilian in the first
          century AD commented on Thucydides’ style. Lucian in the second
          century, in his essay on How to Write History, described Thucydides as
          ‘the man who legislated for history’. Much later, in the Byzantine
          empire, Procopius, the historian of Justinian, was an imitator of
          Thucydides, and the plague at Athens was pressed into service again
          when he wrote about the bubonic plague in Constantinople in 542 – 3.




          Livy's account of the Second Punic War starts with




          a direct echo of Thucydides' assertion of the importance of his
          subject, complete down to the larger reasons given in support of the
          claim, but differing in particulars and in the background material.
          Other passages, too, in Books 21-30 point to Thucydides' influence,...




          Also, Plutarch reports that Cato the Elder "profited" from Thucydides, probably when writing Origines (now lost).



          With few people in the Middle Ages being able to read Greek, Thucydides' influence waned until Lorenzo Valla made the first complete Latin translation in 1452. Before that, though, the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller Juan Fernández de Heredia (c.1310 to 1396) translated parts of Thucydides' work into Aragonese.



          Later,




          realists, such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, agree with Thucydides that
          "might makes right" is an intoxicating precept for states to indulge
          in.




          Not everyone would agree that there is "much trace of the influence of
          Thucydides in Niccolò Machiavelli" (e.g. Hammond), but




          A landmark in the development of a scholarly approach to Thucydides,
          as opposed to the use of him as a model, came with the editions of
          Henri Estienne (Stephanus), first published in 1564 and revised in
          1588.




          Many 19th century historians and philosophers read, cited and / or were influenced by Thucydides, Macauley and Nietzsche among them, as did Napoleon.



          In the American Civil War,




          Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve, the first great American classicist, spent his summer vacations campaigning with Robert E. Lee’s army...
          When he wrote about his experiences more than thirty years later, he
          playfully entitled the piece “A Southerner in the Peloponnesian War.”







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            Thucydides has been widely read and cited since ancient times, though not always to same extent in different periods. Martin Hammond, in his translation of The Peloponnesian War, observes:




            Thucydides was not as widely read in the fourth century and the
            hellenistic period as the more obviously attractive Herodotus and
            Xenophon, but he was far from being totally neglected, and knowledge
            of him can be found in fourth-century orators and philosophers as well
            as in historians. One remarkable example is the use by
            Aeneas Tacticus, in his work on withstanding sieges, written in the
            mid-fourth century, not only of Thucydides’ account of the Theban
            attack on Plataea in 431 but also of Brasidas’ speech before the battle
            of Amphipolis.




            Among Romans and, later, Byzantines:




            By the first century bc his history was well known in Rome. Lucretius
            ended his De Rerum Natura with an account of the plague at Athens.
            Cicero commented on Thucydides’ history, not recommending it as a
            model for Roman orators to follow, and seems to have relied on it for
            his knowledge of fifth-century Athenian oratory. The historian
            Sallust took Thucydides as a model (inter alia, for the debate between
            Cato and Caesar on the Catilinarians following the debate between
            Cleon and Diodotus on Mytilene65), and his indebtedness to Thucydides
            was remarked on by Livy and others. Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
            active in the time of Augustus, wrote essays About Thucydides and
            About the Distinctive Features of Thucydides. Quintilian in the first
            century AD commented on Thucydides’ style. Lucian in the second
            century, in his essay on How to Write History, described Thucydides as
            ‘the man who legislated for history’. Much later, in the Byzantine
            empire, Procopius, the historian of Justinian, was an imitator of
            Thucydides, and the plague at Athens was pressed into service again
            when he wrote about the bubonic plague in Constantinople in 542 – 3.




            Livy's account of the Second Punic War starts with




            a direct echo of Thucydides' assertion of the importance of his
            subject, complete down to the larger reasons given in support of the
            claim, but differing in particulars and in the background material.
            Other passages, too, in Books 21-30 point to Thucydides' influence,...




            Also, Plutarch reports that Cato the Elder "profited" from Thucydides, probably when writing Origines (now lost).



            With few people in the Middle Ages being able to read Greek, Thucydides' influence waned until Lorenzo Valla made the first complete Latin translation in 1452. Before that, though, the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller Juan Fernández de Heredia (c.1310 to 1396) translated parts of Thucydides' work into Aragonese.



            Later,




            realists, such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, agree with Thucydides that
            "might makes right" is an intoxicating precept for states to indulge
            in.




            Not everyone would agree that there is "much trace of the influence of
            Thucydides in Niccolò Machiavelli" (e.g. Hammond), but




            A landmark in the development of a scholarly approach to Thucydides,
            as opposed to the use of him as a model, came with the editions of
            Henri Estienne (Stephanus), first published in 1564 and revised in
            1588.




            Many 19th century historians and philosophers read, cited and / or were influenced by Thucydides, Macauley and Nietzsche among them, as did Napoleon.



            In the American Civil War,




            Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve, the first great American classicist, spent his summer vacations campaigning with Robert E. Lee’s army...
            When he wrote about his experiences more than thirty years later, he
            playfully entitled the piece “A Southerner in the Peloponnesian War.”







            share|improve this answer






























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              Thucydides has been widely read and cited since ancient times, though not always to same extent in different periods. Martin Hammond, in his translation of The Peloponnesian War, observes:




              Thucydides was not as widely read in the fourth century and the
              hellenistic period as the more obviously attractive Herodotus and
              Xenophon, but he was far from being totally neglected, and knowledge
              of him can be found in fourth-century orators and philosophers as well
              as in historians. One remarkable example is the use by
              Aeneas Tacticus, in his work on withstanding sieges, written in the
              mid-fourth century, not only of Thucydides’ account of the Theban
              attack on Plataea in 431 but also of Brasidas’ speech before the battle
              of Amphipolis.




              Among Romans and, later, Byzantines:




              By the first century bc his history was well known in Rome. Lucretius
              ended his De Rerum Natura with an account of the plague at Athens.
              Cicero commented on Thucydides’ history, not recommending it as a
              model for Roman orators to follow, and seems to have relied on it for
              his knowledge of fifth-century Athenian oratory. The historian
              Sallust took Thucydides as a model (inter alia, for the debate between
              Cato and Caesar on the Catilinarians following the debate between
              Cleon and Diodotus on Mytilene65), and his indebtedness to Thucydides
              was remarked on by Livy and others. Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
              active in the time of Augustus, wrote essays About Thucydides and
              About the Distinctive Features of Thucydides. Quintilian in the first
              century AD commented on Thucydides’ style. Lucian in the second
              century, in his essay on How to Write History, described Thucydides as
              ‘the man who legislated for history’. Much later, in the Byzantine
              empire, Procopius, the historian of Justinian, was an imitator of
              Thucydides, and the plague at Athens was pressed into service again
              when he wrote about the bubonic plague in Constantinople in 542 – 3.




              Livy's account of the Second Punic War starts with




              a direct echo of Thucydides' assertion of the importance of his
              subject, complete down to the larger reasons given in support of the
              claim, but differing in particulars and in the background material.
              Other passages, too, in Books 21-30 point to Thucydides' influence,...




              Also, Plutarch reports that Cato the Elder "profited" from Thucydides, probably when writing Origines (now lost).



              With few people in the Middle Ages being able to read Greek, Thucydides' influence waned until Lorenzo Valla made the first complete Latin translation in 1452. Before that, though, the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller Juan Fernández de Heredia (c.1310 to 1396) translated parts of Thucydides' work into Aragonese.



              Later,




              realists, such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, agree with Thucydides that
              "might makes right" is an intoxicating precept for states to indulge
              in.




              Not everyone would agree that there is "much trace of the influence of
              Thucydides in Niccolò Machiavelli" (e.g. Hammond), but




              A landmark in the development of a scholarly approach to Thucydides,
              as opposed to the use of him as a model, came with the editions of
              Henri Estienne (Stephanus), first published in 1564 and revised in
              1588.




              Many 19th century historians and philosophers read, cited and / or were influenced by Thucydides, Macauley and Nietzsche among them, as did Napoleon.



              In the American Civil War,




              Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve, the first great American classicist, spent his summer vacations campaigning with Robert E. Lee’s army...
              When he wrote about his experiences more than thirty years later, he
              playfully entitled the piece “A Southerner in the Peloponnesian War.”







              share|improve this answer




























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                Thucydides has been widely read and cited since ancient times, though not always to same extent in different periods. Martin Hammond, in his translation of The Peloponnesian War, observes:




                Thucydides was not as widely read in the fourth century and the
                hellenistic period as the more obviously attractive Herodotus and
                Xenophon, but he was far from being totally neglected, and knowledge
                of him can be found in fourth-century orators and philosophers as well
                as in historians. One remarkable example is the use by
                Aeneas Tacticus, in his work on withstanding sieges, written in the
                mid-fourth century, not only of Thucydides’ account of the Theban
                attack on Plataea in 431 but also of Brasidas’ speech before the battle
                of Amphipolis.




                Among Romans and, later, Byzantines:




                By the first century bc his history was well known in Rome. Lucretius
                ended his De Rerum Natura with an account of the plague at Athens.
                Cicero commented on Thucydides’ history, not recommending it as a
                model for Roman orators to follow, and seems to have relied on it for
                his knowledge of fifth-century Athenian oratory. The historian
                Sallust took Thucydides as a model (inter alia, for the debate between
                Cato and Caesar on the Catilinarians following the debate between
                Cleon and Diodotus on Mytilene65), and his indebtedness to Thucydides
                was remarked on by Livy and others. Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
                active in the time of Augustus, wrote essays About Thucydides and
                About the Distinctive Features of Thucydides. Quintilian in the first
                century AD commented on Thucydides’ style. Lucian in the second
                century, in his essay on How to Write History, described Thucydides as
                ‘the man who legislated for history’. Much later, in the Byzantine
                empire, Procopius, the historian of Justinian, was an imitator of
                Thucydides, and the plague at Athens was pressed into service again
                when he wrote about the bubonic plague in Constantinople in 542 – 3.




                Livy's account of the Second Punic War starts with




                a direct echo of Thucydides' assertion of the importance of his
                subject, complete down to the larger reasons given in support of the
                claim, but differing in particulars and in the background material.
                Other passages, too, in Books 21-30 point to Thucydides' influence,...




                Also, Plutarch reports that Cato the Elder "profited" from Thucydides, probably when writing Origines (now lost).



                With few people in the Middle Ages being able to read Greek, Thucydides' influence waned until Lorenzo Valla made the first complete Latin translation in 1452. Before that, though, the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller Juan Fernández de Heredia (c.1310 to 1396) translated parts of Thucydides' work into Aragonese.



                Later,




                realists, such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, agree with Thucydides that
                "might makes right" is an intoxicating precept for states to indulge
                in.




                Not everyone would agree that there is "much trace of the influence of
                Thucydides in Niccolò Machiavelli" (e.g. Hammond), but




                A landmark in the development of a scholarly approach to Thucydides,
                as opposed to the use of him as a model, came with the editions of
                Henri Estienne (Stephanus), first published in 1564 and revised in
                1588.




                Many 19th century historians and philosophers read, cited and / or were influenced by Thucydides, Macauley and Nietzsche among them, as did Napoleon.



                In the American Civil War,




                Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve, the first great American classicist, spent his summer vacations campaigning with Robert E. Lee’s army...
                When he wrote about his experiences more than thirty years later, he
                playfully entitled the piece “A Southerner in the Peloponnesian War.”







                share|improve this answer















                Thucydides has been widely read and cited since ancient times, though not always to same extent in different periods. Martin Hammond, in his translation of The Peloponnesian War, observes:




                Thucydides was not as widely read in the fourth century and the
                hellenistic period as the more obviously attractive Herodotus and
                Xenophon, but he was far from being totally neglected, and knowledge
                of him can be found in fourth-century orators and philosophers as well
                as in historians. One remarkable example is the use by
                Aeneas Tacticus, in his work on withstanding sieges, written in the
                mid-fourth century, not only of Thucydides’ account of the Theban
                attack on Plataea in 431 but also of Brasidas’ speech before the battle
                of Amphipolis.




                Among Romans and, later, Byzantines:




                By the first century bc his history was well known in Rome. Lucretius
                ended his De Rerum Natura with an account of the plague at Athens.
                Cicero commented on Thucydides’ history, not recommending it as a
                model for Roman orators to follow, and seems to have relied on it for
                his knowledge of fifth-century Athenian oratory. The historian
                Sallust took Thucydides as a model (inter alia, for the debate between
                Cato and Caesar on the Catilinarians following the debate between
                Cleon and Diodotus on Mytilene65), and his indebtedness to Thucydides
                was remarked on by Livy and others. Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
                active in the time of Augustus, wrote essays About Thucydides and
                About the Distinctive Features of Thucydides. Quintilian in the first
                century AD commented on Thucydides’ style. Lucian in the second
                century, in his essay on How to Write History, described Thucydides as
                ‘the man who legislated for history’. Much later, in the Byzantine
                empire, Procopius, the historian of Justinian, was an imitator of
                Thucydides, and the plague at Athens was pressed into service again
                when he wrote about the bubonic plague in Constantinople in 542 – 3.




                Livy's account of the Second Punic War starts with




                a direct echo of Thucydides' assertion of the importance of his
                subject, complete down to the larger reasons given in support of the
                claim, but differing in particulars and in the background material.
                Other passages, too, in Books 21-30 point to Thucydides' influence,...




                Also, Plutarch reports that Cato the Elder "profited" from Thucydides, probably when writing Origines (now lost).



                With few people in the Middle Ages being able to read Greek, Thucydides' influence waned until Lorenzo Valla made the first complete Latin translation in 1452. Before that, though, the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller Juan Fernández de Heredia (c.1310 to 1396) translated parts of Thucydides' work into Aragonese.



                Later,




                realists, such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, agree with Thucydides that
                "might makes right" is an intoxicating precept for states to indulge
                in.




                Not everyone would agree that there is "much trace of the influence of
                Thucydides in Niccolò Machiavelli" (e.g. Hammond), but




                A landmark in the development of a scholarly approach to Thucydides,
                as opposed to the use of him as a model, came with the editions of
                Henri Estienne (Stephanus), first published in 1564 and revised in
                1588.




                Many 19th century historians and philosophers read, cited and / or were influenced by Thucydides, Macauley and Nietzsche among them, as did Napoleon.



                In the American Civil War,




                Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve, the first great American classicist, spent his summer vacations campaigning with Robert E. Lee’s army...
                When he wrote about his experiences more than thirty years later, he
                playfully entitled the piece “A Southerner in the Peloponnesian War.”








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