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  • This is probably obvious to you but not to all, but countable means countably infinite rather than finite.
    – Robert Frost
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    yesterday
















This is probably obvious to you but not to all, but countable means countably infinite rather than finite.
– Robert Frost
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This is probably obvious to you but not to all, but countable means countably infinite rather than finite.
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The set of rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ with the usual metric is a countable, metric space (which is also perfect, i.e. it doesn't have any isolated points). Being perfect can be viewed as being 'very far' from discrete.





Bonus: Consider the reals with their natural metric $(mathbb R; d)$. Let $g$ be $mathrm{Coll}(omega, mathbb R)$-generic over $V$. In the generic extension $V[g]$ we have that $mathbb{R}$ is countable but (by an easy absoluteness argument) $(mathbb{R}, d)$ remains a (non-complete but perfect) metric space in this larger universe.



(This can also be achieved by taking a countable, transitivized Skolem hull $M$ of $V_{omega_1}$ and considering $(mathbb R;d)^M$ -- $M$'s version of the reals and their metric. The advantage of the latter construction is that it takes place purely in $mathrm{ZF}$, without stepping out of the set theoretical universe.)






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  • Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
    – Robert Frost
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    @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
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    Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
    – Robert Frost
    yesterday










  • @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
    – The_Sympathizer
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    @RobertFrost No to both questions.
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Just for fun I put the formula "metrizable + ~discrete + countable" into https://topology.jdabbs.com/



and found some fun examples of nondiscrete countable metric spaces.



The first example I hadn't heard of before was the "Countable Fort Space" which is defined in the following way:



Let $X$ be a countable set and $pin X$. Define $Usubseteq X$ to be open provided that $Xsetminus U$ is finite or $pnotin U$.



Likewise there is the evenly spaced integer topology.



Let $X=mathbb{Z}$ equipped with the topology generated by all sets of the form



$$a+kmathbb{Z}={a+knmid ninmathbb{Z}}text{ for all }a,kinmathbb{Z}$$



There are others of course, but those were some fun ones that haven't been mentioned in this post yet.






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    countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
    – Henno Brandsma
    yesterday










  • So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
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    The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
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For a metric space to be discrete we need to have every singleton to be open.



Consider the metric space of $Q$, the rational numbers with the standard metric.



$Q$ is countable but singletons are not open because in every neighborhood of a singleton there are points other the singleton itself so no open interval in included in the singleton.






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  • It's a bit confusing that OP asked opposing questions in the title and the body of his post... I'll edit my answer to make it more apparent that the "yes" refers to the body of the question.
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If $X$ is a metric space and $x in X$, then the following statements are equivalent:




  • The metric-induced topology on $X$ is not the discrete topology, with ${ x }$ being non-open in $X$.


  • $x$ is an accumulation point in $X$.


  • There exists a sequence $x_1, x_2, x_3, dots in X setminus { x } $ such that $x_n to x$.



So probably the "sparsest" way to construct a countable metric space $X$ whose metric-induced topology is not the discrete topology is to choose a convergent sequence $x_n$ in $mathbb R$, with limit $x := lim_{n to infty } x_n$ such that the $x_n neq x$ for all $n$, and define $$X = { x_n : n in mathbb N } cup { x }.$$
For example, $X = { frac 1 n : n in mathbb N } cup { 0 }$ works.



Of course, $X = mathbb Q$ works too, as Stefan explained, as witnessed by the fact that it contains the sequence $x_n = frac 1 n$ and its limit $0$.






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    The set of rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ with the usual metric is a countable, metric space (which is also perfect, i.e. it doesn't have any isolated points). Being perfect can be viewed as being 'very far' from discrete.





    Bonus: Consider the reals with their natural metric $(mathbb R; d)$. Let $g$ be $mathrm{Coll}(omega, mathbb R)$-generic over $V$. In the generic extension $V[g]$ we have that $mathbb{R}$ is countable but (by an easy absoluteness argument) $(mathbb{R}, d)$ remains a (non-complete but perfect) metric space in this larger universe.



    (This can also be achieved by taking a countable, transitivized Skolem hull $M$ of $V_{omega_1}$ and considering $(mathbb R;d)^M$ -- $M$'s version of the reals and their metric. The advantage of the latter construction is that it takes place purely in $mathrm{ZF}$, without stepping out of the set theoretical universe.)






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    • Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday






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      @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
      – Kundor
      yesterday






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      Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday










    • @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
      – The_Sympathizer
      23 hours ago








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      @RobertFrost No to both questions.
      – Stefan Mesken
      10 hours ago















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    The set of rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ with the usual metric is a countable, metric space (which is also perfect, i.e. it doesn't have any isolated points). Being perfect can be viewed as being 'very far' from discrete.





    Bonus: Consider the reals with their natural metric $(mathbb R; d)$. Let $g$ be $mathrm{Coll}(omega, mathbb R)$-generic over $V$. In the generic extension $V[g]$ we have that $mathbb{R}$ is countable but (by an easy absoluteness argument) $(mathbb{R}, d)$ remains a (non-complete but perfect) metric space in this larger universe.



    (This can also be achieved by taking a countable, transitivized Skolem hull $M$ of $V_{omega_1}$ and considering $(mathbb R;d)^M$ -- $M$'s version of the reals and their metric. The advantage of the latter construction is that it takes place purely in $mathrm{ZF}$, without stepping out of the set theoretical universe.)






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    • Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday






    • 1




      @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
      – Kundor
      yesterday






    • 1




      Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday










    • @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
      – The_Sympathizer
      23 hours ago








    • 1




      @RobertFrost No to both questions.
      – Stefan Mesken
      10 hours ago













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    up vote
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    The set of rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ with the usual metric is a countable, metric space (which is also perfect, i.e. it doesn't have any isolated points). Being perfect can be viewed as being 'very far' from discrete.





    Bonus: Consider the reals with their natural metric $(mathbb R; d)$. Let $g$ be $mathrm{Coll}(omega, mathbb R)$-generic over $V$. In the generic extension $V[g]$ we have that $mathbb{R}$ is countable but (by an easy absoluteness argument) $(mathbb{R}, d)$ remains a (non-complete but perfect) metric space in this larger universe.



    (This can also be achieved by taking a countable, transitivized Skolem hull $M$ of $V_{omega_1}$ and considering $(mathbb R;d)^M$ -- $M$'s version of the reals and their metric. The advantage of the latter construction is that it takes place purely in $mathrm{ZF}$, without stepping out of the set theoretical universe.)






    share|cite|improve this answer














    The set of rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ with the usual metric is a countable, metric space (which is also perfect, i.e. it doesn't have any isolated points). Being perfect can be viewed as being 'very far' from discrete.





    Bonus: Consider the reals with their natural metric $(mathbb R; d)$. Let $g$ be $mathrm{Coll}(omega, mathbb R)$-generic over $V$. In the generic extension $V[g]$ we have that $mathbb{R}$ is countable but (by an easy absoluteness argument) $(mathbb{R}, d)$ remains a (non-complete but perfect) metric space in this larger universe.



    (This can also be achieved by taking a countable, transitivized Skolem hull $M$ of $V_{omega_1}$ and considering $(mathbb R;d)^M$ -- $M$'s version of the reals and their metric. The advantage of the latter construction is that it takes place purely in $mathrm{ZF}$, without stepping out of the set theoretical universe.)







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    • Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday






    • 1




      @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
      – Kundor
      yesterday






    • 1




      Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday










    • @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
      – The_Sympathizer
      23 hours ago








    • 1




      @RobertFrost No to both questions.
      – Stefan Mesken
      10 hours ago


















    • Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday






    • 1




      @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
      – Kundor
      yesterday






    • 1




      Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
      – Robert Frost
      yesterday










    • @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
      – The_Sympathizer
      23 hours ago








    • 1




      @RobertFrost No to both questions.
      – Stefan Mesken
      10 hours ago
















    Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
    – Robert Frost
    yesterday




    Hang on, $Bbb R$ is countable? I'd love to know more about that. Is every element of $Bbb R$ expressible in a countable set like that statement sounds?
    – Robert Frost
    yesterday




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    @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
    – Kundor
    yesterday




    @RobertFrost: It's not that $mathbb{R}$ is countable, but rather that the $mathbb{R}$ in one set-theoretic universe might be found to be countable (i.e. in bijection with the natural numbers) in a larger set-theoretic universe which happens to have more natural numbers than the first. The real numbers in the larger universe are of course not countable, by its own standards.
    – Kundor
    yesterday




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    Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
    – Robert Frost
    yesterday




    Ok thanks @Kundor . I'm going to file that under "one day I might understand that".
    – Robert Frost
    yesterday












    @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
    – The_Sympathizer
    23 hours ago






    @Kundor : Yep, because the larger universe has more naturals in it, it can have enough of them to count all the reals in the first universe, right?
    – The_Sympathizer
    23 hours ago






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    @RobertFrost No to both questions.
    – Stefan Mesken
    10 hours ago




    @RobertFrost No to both questions.
    – Stefan Mesken
    10 hours ago










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    Just for fun I put the formula "metrizable + ~discrete + countable" into https://topology.jdabbs.com/



    and found some fun examples of nondiscrete countable metric spaces.



    The first example I hadn't heard of before was the "Countable Fort Space" which is defined in the following way:



    Let $X$ be a countable set and $pin X$. Define $Usubseteq X$ to be open provided that $Xsetminus U$ is finite or $pnotin U$.



    Likewise there is the evenly spaced integer topology.



    Let $X=mathbb{Z}$ equipped with the topology generated by all sets of the form



    $$a+kmathbb{Z}={a+knmid ninmathbb{Z}}text{ for all }a,kinmathbb{Z}$$



    There are others of course, but those were some fun ones that haven't been mentioned in this post yet.






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      countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday










    • So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
      – Robert Thingum
      yesterday






    • 1




      The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday















    up vote
    4
    down vote













    Just for fun I put the formula "metrizable + ~discrete + countable" into https://topology.jdabbs.com/



    and found some fun examples of nondiscrete countable metric spaces.



    The first example I hadn't heard of before was the "Countable Fort Space" which is defined in the following way:



    Let $X$ be a countable set and $pin X$. Define $Usubseteq X$ to be open provided that $Xsetminus U$ is finite or $pnotin U$.



    Likewise there is the evenly spaced integer topology.



    Let $X=mathbb{Z}$ equipped with the topology generated by all sets of the form



    $$a+kmathbb{Z}={a+knmid ninmathbb{Z}}text{ for all }a,kinmathbb{Z}$$



    There are others of course, but those were some fun ones that haven't been mentioned in this post yet.






    share|cite|improve this answer

















    • 1




      countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday










    • So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
      – Robert Thingum
      yesterday






    • 1




      The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday













    up vote
    4
    down vote










    up vote
    4
    down vote









    Just for fun I put the formula "metrizable + ~discrete + countable" into https://topology.jdabbs.com/



    and found some fun examples of nondiscrete countable metric spaces.



    The first example I hadn't heard of before was the "Countable Fort Space" which is defined in the following way:



    Let $X$ be a countable set and $pin X$. Define $Usubseteq X$ to be open provided that $Xsetminus U$ is finite or $pnotin U$.



    Likewise there is the evenly spaced integer topology.



    Let $X=mathbb{Z}$ equipped with the topology generated by all sets of the form



    $$a+kmathbb{Z}={a+knmid ninmathbb{Z}}text{ for all }a,kinmathbb{Z}$$



    There are others of course, but those were some fun ones that haven't been mentioned in this post yet.






    share|cite|improve this answer












    Just for fun I put the formula "metrizable + ~discrete + countable" into https://topology.jdabbs.com/



    and found some fun examples of nondiscrete countable metric spaces.



    The first example I hadn't heard of before was the "Countable Fort Space" which is defined in the following way:



    Let $X$ be a countable set and $pin X$. Define $Usubseteq X$ to be open provided that $Xsetminus U$ is finite or $pnotin U$.



    Likewise there is the evenly spaced integer topology.



    Let $X=mathbb{Z}$ equipped with the topology generated by all sets of the form



    $$a+kmathbb{Z}={a+knmid ninmathbb{Z}}text{ for all }a,kinmathbb{Z}$$



    There are others of course, but those were some fun ones that haven't been mentioned in this post yet.







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      countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday










    • So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
      – Robert Thingum
      yesterday






    • 1




      The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday














    • 1




      countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday










    • So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
      – Robert Thingum
      yesterday






    • 1




      The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
      – Henno Brandsma
      yesterday








    1




    1




    countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
    – Henno Brandsma
    yesterday




    countable Fort space is just homeomorphic to ${frac{1}{n}: n ge 1} cup {0}$ as a subspace of the reals. (It's only added because we also have uncountable Fort space, which is the one-point compactification of a discrete space, like the sequence). The countable version is metrisable, so is mentioned separately.
    – Henno Brandsma
    yesterday












    So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
    – Robert Thingum
    yesterday




    So it is, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
    – Robert Thingum
    yesterday




    1




    1




    The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
    – Henno Brandsma
    yesterday




    The evenly spaces integer topology is just $mathbb{Q}$ topologically, as is any countable metric space without isolated points.
    – Henno Brandsma
    yesterday










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    For a metric space to be discrete we need to have every singleton to be open.



    Consider the metric space of $Q$, the rational numbers with the standard metric.



    $Q$ is countable but singletons are not open because in every neighborhood of a singleton there are points other the singleton itself so no open interval in included in the singleton.






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    • It's a bit confusing that OP asked opposing questions in the title and the body of his post... I'll edit my answer to make it more apparent that the "yes" refers to the body of the question.
      – Stefan Mesken
      yesterday

















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    For a metric space to be discrete we need to have every singleton to be open.



    Consider the metric space of $Q$, the rational numbers with the standard metric.



    $Q$ is countable but singletons are not open because in every neighborhood of a singleton there are points other the singleton itself so no open interval in included in the singleton.






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    For a metric space to be discrete we need to have every singleton to be open.



    Consider the metric space of $Q$, the rational numbers with the standard metric.



    $Q$ is countable but singletons are not open because in every neighborhood of a singleton there are points other the singleton itself so no open interval in included in the singleton.






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    For a metric space to be discrete we need to have every singleton to be open.



    Consider the metric space of $Q$, the rational numbers with the standard metric.



    $Q$ is countable but singletons are not open because in every neighborhood of a singleton there are points other the singleton itself so no open interval in included in the singleton.







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    • It's a bit confusing that OP asked opposing questions in the title and the body of his post... I'll edit my answer to make it more apparent that the "yes" refers to the body of the question.
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    • It's a bit confusing that OP asked opposing questions in the title and the body of his post... I'll edit my answer to make it more apparent that the "yes" refers to the body of the question.
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    It's a bit confusing that OP asked opposing questions in the title and the body of his post... I'll edit my answer to make it more apparent that the "yes" refers to the body of the question.
    – Stefan Mesken
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    It's a bit confusing that OP asked opposing questions in the title and the body of his post... I'll edit my answer to make it more apparent that the "yes" refers to the body of the question.
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    If $X$ is a metric space and $x in X$, then the following statements are equivalent:




    • The metric-induced topology on $X$ is not the discrete topology, with ${ x }$ being non-open in $X$.


    • $x$ is an accumulation point in $X$.


    • There exists a sequence $x_1, x_2, x_3, dots in X setminus { x } $ such that $x_n to x$.



    So probably the "sparsest" way to construct a countable metric space $X$ whose metric-induced topology is not the discrete topology is to choose a convergent sequence $x_n$ in $mathbb R$, with limit $x := lim_{n to infty } x_n$ such that the $x_n neq x$ for all $n$, and define $$X = { x_n : n in mathbb N } cup { x }.$$
    For example, $X = { frac 1 n : n in mathbb N } cup { 0 }$ works.



    Of course, $X = mathbb Q$ works too, as Stefan explained, as witnessed by the fact that it contains the sequence $x_n = frac 1 n$ and its limit $0$.






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      If $X$ is a metric space and $x in X$, then the following statements are equivalent:




      • The metric-induced topology on $X$ is not the discrete topology, with ${ x }$ being non-open in $X$.


      • $x$ is an accumulation point in $X$.


      • There exists a sequence $x_1, x_2, x_3, dots in X setminus { x } $ such that $x_n to x$.



      So probably the "sparsest" way to construct a countable metric space $X$ whose metric-induced topology is not the discrete topology is to choose a convergent sequence $x_n$ in $mathbb R$, with limit $x := lim_{n to infty } x_n$ such that the $x_n neq x$ for all $n$, and define $$X = { x_n : n in mathbb N } cup { x }.$$
      For example, $X = { frac 1 n : n in mathbb N } cup { 0 }$ works.



      Of course, $X = mathbb Q$ works too, as Stefan explained, as witnessed by the fact that it contains the sequence $x_n = frac 1 n$ and its limit $0$.






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        If $X$ is a metric space and $x in X$, then the following statements are equivalent:




        • The metric-induced topology on $X$ is not the discrete topology, with ${ x }$ being non-open in $X$.


        • $x$ is an accumulation point in $X$.


        • There exists a sequence $x_1, x_2, x_3, dots in X setminus { x } $ such that $x_n to x$.



        So probably the "sparsest" way to construct a countable metric space $X$ whose metric-induced topology is not the discrete topology is to choose a convergent sequence $x_n$ in $mathbb R$, with limit $x := lim_{n to infty } x_n$ such that the $x_n neq x$ for all $n$, and define $$X = { x_n : n in mathbb N } cup { x }.$$
        For example, $X = { frac 1 n : n in mathbb N } cup { 0 }$ works.



        Of course, $X = mathbb Q$ works too, as Stefan explained, as witnessed by the fact that it contains the sequence $x_n = frac 1 n$ and its limit $0$.






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        If $X$ is a metric space and $x in X$, then the following statements are equivalent:




        • The metric-induced topology on $X$ is not the discrete topology, with ${ x }$ being non-open in $X$.


        • $x$ is an accumulation point in $X$.


        • There exists a sequence $x_1, x_2, x_3, dots in X setminus { x } $ such that $x_n to x$.



        So probably the "sparsest" way to construct a countable metric space $X$ whose metric-induced topology is not the discrete topology is to choose a convergent sequence $x_n$ in $mathbb R$, with limit $x := lim_{n to infty } x_n$ such that the $x_n neq x$ for all $n$, and define $$X = { x_n : n in mathbb N } cup { x }.$$
        For example, $X = { frac 1 n : n in mathbb N } cup { 0 }$ works.



        Of course, $X = mathbb Q$ works too, as Stefan explained, as witnessed by the fact that it contains the sequence $x_n = frac 1 n$ and its limit $0$.







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