How should I deal with an employee who is stealing from the cash counter?
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I own a Pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 20,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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I own a Pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 20,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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Being a pharmacy, do you have legal obligations to report theft to maintain your license?
– corsiKa
16 hours ago
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Definitively first talk to him. Maybe he's not stealing!? It's such a low amount (less than 1% of what he earns) that it would make no sense. Maybe he was paying someone on your behalf? (An incoming shipment for example.)
– nl-x
16 hours ago
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Is there not any kind of transaction record for the money? I'm curious how it took accidentally seeing it on camera to even realize money was missing.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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"Stealing is a bad habit" - biting your nails is a bad habit. Stealing is more than that.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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Since you generally seem to have him in high regards: Did you actually notice money missing in the books? Could it be that he "borrowed" money to do some shopping after work and later put it back? That would obviously change the outcome of any answer... and in any case, he might use that as an excuse/explanation, so you might want to make your mind up on whether you could believe such a statement (i.e. have proof to the contrary).
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I own a Pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 20,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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I own a Pharmacy, and I have an employee who has been working for me for the past 5 years. However, he has recently started stealing money from the cash counter.
Maybe he thinks that I will not check camera footage every day, but few days ago I checked footage for my own need and found out that he was stealing money from cash counter. It was not such a big amount, but it is now bothering me...
I really want to ask, should I fire him or should I talk to him about this? He belongs to a poor family and father of four children. I am paying him PKR 20,000 per month, and he is stealing PKR 300-500, not regularly but sometimes.
He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times. Should I talk to him about this or report him straight away? Or let him fulfill his needs by stealing that little amount of money.
Stealing is a bad habit, and I want to share this with him, and make him aware that I know about this incident, but I don't know why I feel guilty about the idea of bringing this up to him.
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Being a pharmacy, do you have legal obligations to report theft to maintain your license?
– corsiKa
16 hours ago
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Definitively first talk to him. Maybe he's not stealing!? It's such a low amount (less than 1% of what he earns) that it would make no sense. Maybe he was paying someone on your behalf? (An incoming shipment for example.)
– nl-x
16 hours ago
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Is there not any kind of transaction record for the money? I'm curious how it took accidentally seeing it on camera to even realize money was missing.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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"Stealing is a bad habit" - biting your nails is a bad habit. Stealing is more than that.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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Since you generally seem to have him in high regards: Did you actually notice money missing in the books? Could it be that he "borrowed" money to do some shopping after work and later put it back? That would obviously change the outcome of any answer... and in any case, he might use that as an excuse/explanation, so you might want to make your mind up on whether you could believe such a statement (i.e. have proof to the contrary).
– Darkwing
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Being a pharmacy, do you have legal obligations to report theft to maintain your license?
– corsiKa
16 hours ago
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Definitively first talk to him. Maybe he's not stealing!? It's such a low amount (less than 1% of what he earns) that it would make no sense. Maybe he was paying someone on your behalf? (An incoming shipment for example.)
– nl-x
16 hours ago
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Is there not any kind of transaction record for the money? I'm curious how it took accidentally seeing it on camera to even realize money was missing.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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"Stealing is a bad habit" - biting your nails is a bad habit. Stealing is more than that.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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Since you generally seem to have him in high regards: Did you actually notice money missing in the books? Could it be that he "borrowed" money to do some shopping after work and later put it back? That would obviously change the outcome of any answer... and in any case, he might use that as an excuse/explanation, so you might want to make your mind up on whether you could believe such a statement (i.e. have proof to the contrary).
– Darkwing
11 hours ago
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Being a pharmacy, do you have legal obligations to report theft to maintain your license?
– corsiKa
16 hours ago
Being a pharmacy, do you have legal obligations to report theft to maintain your license?
– corsiKa
16 hours ago
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Definitively first talk to him. Maybe he's not stealing!? It's such a low amount (less than 1% of what he earns) that it would make no sense. Maybe he was paying someone on your behalf? (An incoming shipment for example.)
– nl-x
16 hours ago
Definitively first talk to him. Maybe he's not stealing!? It's such a low amount (less than 1% of what he earns) that it would make no sense. Maybe he was paying someone on your behalf? (An incoming shipment for example.)
– nl-x
16 hours ago
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Is there not any kind of transaction record for the money? I'm curious how it took accidentally seeing it on camera to even realize money was missing.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
Is there not any kind of transaction record for the money? I'm curious how it took accidentally seeing it on camera to even realize money was missing.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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"Stealing is a bad habit" - biting your nails is a bad habit. Stealing is more than that.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
"Stealing is a bad habit" - biting your nails is a bad habit. Stealing is more than that.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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Since you generally seem to have him in high regards: Did you actually notice money missing in the books? Could it be that he "borrowed" money to do some shopping after work and later put it back? That would obviously change the outcome of any answer... and in any case, he might use that as an excuse/explanation, so you might want to make your mind up on whether you could believe such a statement (i.e. have proof to the contrary).
– Darkwing
11 hours ago
Since you generally seem to have him in high regards: Did you actually notice money missing in the books? Could it be that he "borrowed" money to do some shopping after work and later put it back? That would obviously change the outcome of any answer... and in any case, he might use that as an excuse/explanation, so you might want to make your mind up on whether you could believe such a statement (i.e. have proof to the contrary).
– Darkwing
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
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@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
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If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
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+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
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@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
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@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
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@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
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@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
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"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
– Joe Strazzere
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
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I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
I'm not insensitive to the fact that extreme levels of financial stress/poverty can make people act out of character.
I don't know much about cost of living in Pakistan but what you're paying him is substantially above the annual average household income in the country, which might indicate that he's either experiencing some additional pressures or (and I hate to say it) he's just skimming.
Obviously you are quite within your rights to just report him to the police and wash your hands of the situation. If however you want to see if this is just a desperate person doing desperate things and give him a chance you could talk with him, calmly explain that you know what he's been doing and offer him a chance to tell his side of the story.
Then you can make a call - if he's struggling to make ends meet on the wage, particularly if it is something that is transient (medical bill or whatever) then you have the option to officially pay/loan him the money and stress that stealing is unacceptable and that you won't tolerate it again but that you are prepared to at least listen to him if he comes to you with issues.
If you think he's skimming or his story doesn't add up or whatever then you can either fire him or fire him and report him.
Regardless I don't think turning a blind eye to it is the right way to go.
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IDrinkandIKnowThings
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motosubatsu
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
I agree that ignoring it is definitely not the way to go, and if the OP really doesn't think the amount being stolen is significant as he said, then there shouldn't be a problem with just officially adding that amount to the employee's salary, but only if he's absolutely certain he can be trusted not to continue stealing more after that.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
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@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
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Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
1
The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
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@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
He is still a very trust worthy person for me because he helped me in my difficult times.
I would doubt that this is true.
The fact that this person has helped you before doesn't justify him stealing money from you in the present. If any, this person is being disrespectful to the trust you had in the past.
If you should fire him is up to you, but you should definitely bring this up to him, and talk about the incident in person, so you can work it out in a way you consider adequate. Anyways, stealing is a serious offense, in some contexts it can mean immediate firing, if not prison or something else, so this is not something to be taken lightly
answered 17 hours ago
DarkCygnus
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Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
1
The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
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@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
1
The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
1
@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
Additionally, this employee has proven (at minimum) that he can't be trusted to work the cash register without supervision.
– Upper_Case
15 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
This may be a tad paranoid, but the OP should only bring this up with the employee if the OP can be assured of their safety. The OP may not know this person as well as they think; better safe than injured. Maybe having an additional person present would suffice? Or maybe not. I dunno.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
1
1
The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
The fact they earn £10 per day and have stolen less than 1p per day when they have a family not 4 to feed, probably working a 12 hour day means you are probably wrong to doubt how trustworthy they are because based on the OP saying they are trustworthy you have probably misunderstood the driving forces behind the theft.
– Robert Frost
6 hours ago
1
1
@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@RobertFrost 20k PKR = £115,74 Per Month. And if those 300-500 PKR are not much for OP, he could talk to his employee and maybe give him a raise.
– Theolodis
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
@Theolodis yes, employee should do that but he may have already done so and been denied. Pakistani culture in my experience is to do one's utmost to pay the absolute minimum for absolutely everything, and I expect that includes labour.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
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If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
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+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
13
to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
2
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
2
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
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up vote
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should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
should i fire him from job or should i talk to him about this?
I would talk to him about this, and then fire him. I would do it now before he steals more.
I was part owner of a small business in the past. One thing that was absolute was that theft simply cannot be tolerated. We had to fire one of our original employees for stealing. She was also caught on camera. It was tough to do, but it was the right thing.
I once worked for a supermarket chain. One of my young coworkers was fired for stealing a $0.19 pen from the adjoining store. It sent the clear message to all the other employees that stealing was simply not tolerated.
It doesn't matter if this employee is a nice person. It doesn't matter if they helped you out in the past. Right now, this person is a thief. And if you tolerate one thief then you need to expect all your other employees to follow suit. That's no way to run a business.
Talk nicely. Offer to help him in his new job search. But fire him immediately.
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answered 16 hours ago
Joe Strazzere
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
2
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
2
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
2
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
2
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
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to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
to quote the show The Ozarks which brings up a near identical situation, 'you fire them because its not the first time they've stolen from you, just the first time you've caught them'
– BKlassen
14 hours ago
2
2
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
If he'll steal something small, he'll steal something big.
– Headblender
11 hours ago
2
2
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
+1 if you keep an employee that steals, you are a sucker and worse will happen to you. If you talk to him and sympathize with his explanation, then don't have him arrested in the bargain. But there is no responsible way to keep him employed there, period.
– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
New contributor
He can't stay.
If he's stealing from you now, he'll steal from you again even if he promises not to. My family owned a small business for about 50 years and employees that were caught stealing always went back to their old ways even when given a second chance.
You need to fire him, but you definitely don't need to report him to the police.
While I have no direct knowledge of how the legal system works in Pakistan, I suspect that you might ruin his life or cause him much greater harm than he has caused you.
If you have the money and like him, you can just tell him that you don't need him anymore, and give him some severance pay. He'll know why he's being fired. There's nothing to be gained by punishing him.
If you were a big corporation with an HR department, things would be different, but this is your place and you can run it as you wish.
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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7
Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
Plus, if he's stealing money now, he could move to stealing drugs next time. This risks putting both the employee and the pharmacy in legal trouble.
– bta
13 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
It seems I was mistaken and his salary non which to feed a family with 4 kids, is around $4.50 per day. He may have asked for a raise and been denied, and his family may be starving, so he stole 2c which may have been the remainder he needed to afford a basic meal such as some rice.
– Robert Frost
2 hours ago
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
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@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
2 hours ago
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
1
@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
2 hours ago
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In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
In Argentina, you keep them. You consider the cost of what they're stealing and the cost * risk of what they might steal in the future, and if that is greater than the cost of firing him, hiring a replacement, training a replacement, the risk of the replacement not being as good as this person and the risk of the replacement also stealing, then you keep them.
Of course, if you think any form of theft must absolutely be punished, and this is more important to you than having an otherwise good employee, then you already have your own answer. You have your answer as well if you believe a person stealing a small amount of money from you is worse than allowing a family to starve.
You should be very careful in what responsibilities you assign this person in the future, because if you allow this to keep happening it can scale out of your control. One sure way to control this would be to talk to them and tell them that you know, and that they shouldn't do that. Don't do it as a reprimand, since their own consciousness is already punishing them enough (and if it isn't, then you should re-evaluate whether you keep them or not). Try to find out why they are doing this. Remember, they helped you in the past. Do they need your help now? Can you help them?
answered 15 hours ago
Blueriver
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
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@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
2 hours ago
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
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@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
2 hours ago
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The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
The right way to deal with starving is to ask for help, not take what doesn't belong to you.
– jpmc26
11 hours ago
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@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 I completely agree. However, some of us think that just because someone does the wrong thing it doesn't mean they don't deserve help. By the way, I meant to say that firing them could lead his family to starvation, not that they are starving already, so their situation is presumably not that dire (yet).
– Blueriver
6 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
@jpmc26 sorry to say it bud, but if someone's starving, it does belong to them.
– dn3s
4 hours ago
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@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
@dn3s We tried the "no property rights" idea. It led to mass starvation on a much larger scale than the property rights one, even in the modern era. It also led to the most murderous governments in history in many cases. It also flies in the face of thousands of years of moral reasoning. So no, you're wrong, it doesn't.
– jpmc26
4 hours ago
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Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
– gnasher729
2 hours ago
Where does this idea come from that anyone is starving? And if it is the case, then surely someone else will be hired and some other family saved.
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
If you had a better system for keeping your accounts, you would have known money was missing from the till at the end of each day without the security camera.
You probably need that level of basic accounting (i.e. checking that the total of the till receipts matches the amount of money in the cash drawer), whoever you employ. Otherwise, they will soon figure out that they can get away with skimming the till, and once they have found out where the security camera is, they will figure out a way to hide from it (e.g. one employee stands in a position that blocks the camera's view while another one takes the money).
Of course that basic check doesn't catch every thief, because a "sale" might not be put through the till at all - the customer's money goes straight into the thief's pocket not into the till, especially if the customer isn't bothered about having a printed receipt (and I assume that in Pakistan, there will be some customers who won't care about a piece of paper that they might not be able to read anyway).
If you don't want to fire the guy for personal reasons, a "subtle" way to deal with this is to tell all your staff that from now on, there will be a daily check for missing money. If you do find anything has gone missing, put a notice somewhere that all the staff (but not the customers) can see, with a record of when and how much you have lost.
Unless the thief is really stupid, he will get the message that keeping his fingers out of the till in future is probably a good idea!
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
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Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
Is this your own pharmacy or are you managing it for a larger company?
If it's your own pharmacy, it's your decision. I can't say what would be most appropriate, as it is much more about cultural norms than anything else at this point. In the U.S., the person would pretty much have to be fired, as knowingly tolerating this could cause you to lose the licenses and certifications required to handle some controlled-access medications, which I assume would be essential to your business.
If you're the manager and the pharmacy is owned by a larger company, there should be clear guidelines for you to follow. If you aren't certain, call whomever you report to and ask for guidance.
answered 17 hours ago
Wesley Long
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
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"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
1
"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
– Joe Strazzere
11 hours ago
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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Tell him you know he wouldn't steal from you unless he really needed it. Therefore you're going to raise his salary by the amount he has been stealing.
But if it ever happens again he will be dismissed on the spot because you need to know you can trust your employees so you can't tolerate stealing.
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answered 12 hours ago
Robert Frost
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So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
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"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
– Joe Strazzere
11 hours ago
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So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
3
@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
2
@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
1
@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
1
"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
– Joe Strazzere
11 hours ago
2
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So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
So if someone steals from you, you would reward them by giving them a raise? And if they stole a lot, they would get a big raise?
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
3
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@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
@JoeStrazzere yes, if a) he's a very trustworthy person and b) he's helped me through difficult times as the question says, and c) I want to keep him but talk to him about it then this is what I would do. The OP says it's an option to let him keep having the cash but my way is better because it wins goodwill and also if you just let it continue it can grow and get out of hand.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
@JoeStrazzere do you realise his monthly salary is about £200 and he steals about £2? So pay him more is what I say.
– Robert Frost
12 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
@JoeStrazzere it would depend on the individual staff but I would try to pay fair and have an environment in which people don't want to steal. It can only be an exception for an employee you particularly care about. You would have to make clear word is not to get around what happened and that they're very lucky you've made an exception for them.
– Robert Frost
11 hours ago
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"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
– Joe Strazzere
11 hours ago
"have an environment in which people don't want to steal." - if workers get raises for stealing, how could that lead to an environment in which they wouldn't want to do so?
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
13 hours ago
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
13 hours ago
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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If you own the pharmacy, and the money in the register is indeed your own money, and you have video evidence of this employee taking that money then you should report him to the local police and terminate their employment.
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answered 17 hours ago
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
13 hours ago
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
2
I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
13 hours ago
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You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
You are making the assumption that in the OP's country, the police have nothing better to do than chase up petty criminals and bring them to justice. In real life, they might be too busy collecting bribes for alleged infringements of the law, from those rich enough to pay them, to bother with such trivialities. Even in first world countries like some rural parts of the USA, accusing motorists from out of town of fabricated traffic violations is a good way for a traffic cop to "earn a bonus" on top of his basic income.
– alephzero
15 hours ago
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I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
I am assuming that police will engage in law enforcement regardless of location. Yes, there are corrupt police out there but I don't think their existence should be enough to dissuade the OP from reporting a crime.
– sf02
14 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
13 hours ago
@sf02 All police departments have limited resources. All police departments will have some level of lawbreaking they don't pursue. The same is true of prosecutors. They may very well not be able to handle every case of petty theft that comes around.
– David Thornley
13 hours ago
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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Normally, the cash is counted before and after the cashier is on duty and the amount rung on the register should be added to the starting amount and be present in the ending amount. This is why people invented the cash register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
– Robert Frost
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To steal from your shop without getting caught is a simple matter of not ringing a sale up on the register.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
If he needed more money he could have asked for a raise. If his family was starving, as some people here assume, he could have explained this to you and asked for a raise.
If I was caught stealing I 100% expect that I would get fired. My boss wouldn’t be able to trust me. He might get into legal trouble if he kept me employed and I did something worse. So yes, he should be fired.
You might have a discussion with him, and there might be exceptional circumstances, but that is unlikely.
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Being a pharmacy, do you have legal obligations to report theft to maintain your license?
– corsiKa
16 hours ago
6
Definitively first talk to him. Maybe he's not stealing!? It's such a low amount (less than 1% of what he earns) that it would make no sense. Maybe he was paying someone on your behalf? (An incoming shipment for example.)
– nl-x
16 hours ago
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Is there not any kind of transaction record for the money? I'm curious how it took accidentally seeing it on camera to even realize money was missing.
– Herohtar
15 hours ago
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"Stealing is a bad habit" - biting your nails is a bad habit. Stealing is more than that.
– Joe Strazzere
12 hours ago
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Since you generally seem to have him in high regards: Did you actually notice money missing in the books? Could it be that he "borrowed" money to do some shopping after work and later put it back? That would obviously change the outcome of any answer... and in any case, he might use that as an excuse/explanation, so you might want to make your mind up on whether you could believe such a statement (i.e. have proof to the contrary).
– Darkwing
11 hours ago