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The first one is not a Padé approximant but the ratio of two Taylor series.
Written as
$$e^{-x}=frac{e^{-x/2}}{e^{x/2}}=frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right)}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right) }$$
This does not have anything to do with the second one which is the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant of $e^{-x}$
To show how is better the Padé approximant, let us compute
$$Phi_1=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}right)^2,dxapprox 5.033times 10^{-5}$$ which, for sure, is better than
$$Phi_0=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}right)right)^2,dxapprox 1.375times 10^{-4}$$
but so worse than
$$Phi_2=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}} {1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12} }right)^2,dxapprox 3.127times 10^{-8}$$
Edit
Developed at a point $x=a$, for a given function $f(x)$, the $[m,n]$ Padé approximant write
$$p_{m,n}=frac{sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i } {1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i }$$ Then, let us write in a first step
$$left(1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i right),f(x)=sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i $$ and replace $f(x)$ by its corresponding Taylor expansion
$$f(x)= sum_{k=0} ^ {infty} frac {f^{(k)}(a)}{n!} (x-a)^{n}=sum _{k=0}^{infty} c_k (x-a)^k$$ which will be truncated to "some" order.
Now, expanding the summations and grouping for a given power of $(x-a)^j$, we have a series of linear equations in $a,b,c$ easy to solve for the $a$'s and $b$'s where the $c$'s are known. All of this is quite simple.
For illustration, let us do it for $f(x)=e^{-x}$ using the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant. We then have
$$(1+b_1 x+b_2 x^2)left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}right)=a_0+a_1 x+a_2x^2$$
Expanding and grouping, this will give
$$(1-a_0)+ (-a_1+b_1-1)x+
left(-a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}right)x^2+left(frac{b_1}{2}-b_2-frac{1}{6}right) x^3+frac{1}{24} (-4 b_1+12 b_2+1) x^4=0$$ Cancelling all coefficients, the gives the equations
$$1-a_0=0 qquad -a_1+b_1-1=0 qquad -a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}=0qquad -4 b_1+12 b_2+1=0$$ the solutions of which being
$$a_0= 1qquad a_1=-frac 12 qquad a_2=frac 1 {12} qquad b_1=frac 12 qquad b_2= frac 1 {12}$$ which is your second expression.
Back to the two formulations given in your post, let us make the long divisions to get
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8} }=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{8}+frac{x^5}{64}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}+Oleft(x^color{red}{3}right)$$ while
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}-frac{x^5}{144}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}+Oleft(x^color{red}{5}right)$$ when compared to the Taylor expansion of $e^{-x}$.
I hope and wish that this makes things clearer for you. If not, just post.
Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come frome^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived
– ShiS
16 hours ago
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@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
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The first one is not a Padé approximant but the ratio of two Taylor series.
Written as
$$e^{-x}=frac{e^{-x/2}}{e^{x/2}}=frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right)}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right) }$$
This does not have anything to do with the second one which is the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant of $e^{-x}$
To show how is better the Padé approximant, let us compute
$$Phi_1=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}right)^2,dxapprox 5.033times 10^{-5}$$ which, for sure, is better than
$$Phi_0=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}right)right)^2,dxapprox 1.375times 10^{-4}$$
but so worse than
$$Phi_2=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}} {1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12} }right)^2,dxapprox 3.127times 10^{-8}$$
Edit
Developed at a point $x=a$, for a given function $f(x)$, the $[m,n]$ Padé approximant write
$$p_{m,n}=frac{sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i } {1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i }$$ Then, let us write in a first step
$$left(1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i right),f(x)=sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i $$ and replace $f(x)$ by its corresponding Taylor expansion
$$f(x)= sum_{k=0} ^ {infty} frac {f^{(k)}(a)}{n!} (x-a)^{n}=sum _{k=0}^{infty} c_k (x-a)^k$$ which will be truncated to "some" order.
Now, expanding the summations and grouping for a given power of $(x-a)^j$, we have a series of linear equations in $a,b,c$ easy to solve for the $a$'s and $b$'s where the $c$'s are known. All of this is quite simple.
For illustration, let us do it for $f(x)=e^{-x}$ using the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant. We then have
$$(1+b_1 x+b_2 x^2)left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}right)=a_0+a_1 x+a_2x^2$$
Expanding and grouping, this will give
$$(1-a_0)+ (-a_1+b_1-1)x+
left(-a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}right)x^2+left(frac{b_1}{2}-b_2-frac{1}{6}right) x^3+frac{1}{24} (-4 b_1+12 b_2+1) x^4=0$$ Cancelling all coefficients, the gives the equations
$$1-a_0=0 qquad -a_1+b_1-1=0 qquad -a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}=0qquad -4 b_1+12 b_2+1=0$$ the solutions of which being
$$a_0= 1qquad a_1=-frac 12 qquad a_2=frac 1 {12} qquad b_1=frac 12 qquad b_2= frac 1 {12}$$ which is your second expression.
Back to the two formulations given in your post, let us make the long divisions to get
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8} }=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{8}+frac{x^5}{64}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}+Oleft(x^color{red}{3}right)$$ while
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}-frac{x^5}{144}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}+Oleft(x^color{red}{5}right)$$ when compared to the Taylor expansion of $e^{-x}$.
I hope and wish that this makes things clearer for you. If not, just post.
Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come frome^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived
– ShiS
16 hours ago
1
@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
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The first one is not a Padé approximant but the ratio of two Taylor series.
Written as
$$e^{-x}=frac{e^{-x/2}}{e^{x/2}}=frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right)}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right) }$$
This does not have anything to do with the second one which is the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant of $e^{-x}$
To show how is better the Padé approximant, let us compute
$$Phi_1=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}right)^2,dxapprox 5.033times 10^{-5}$$ which, for sure, is better than
$$Phi_0=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}right)right)^2,dxapprox 1.375times 10^{-4}$$
but so worse than
$$Phi_2=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}} {1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12} }right)^2,dxapprox 3.127times 10^{-8}$$
Edit
Developed at a point $x=a$, for a given function $f(x)$, the $[m,n]$ Padé approximant write
$$p_{m,n}=frac{sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i } {1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i }$$ Then, let us write in a first step
$$left(1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i right),f(x)=sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i $$ and replace $f(x)$ by its corresponding Taylor expansion
$$f(x)= sum_{k=0} ^ {infty} frac {f^{(k)}(a)}{n!} (x-a)^{n}=sum _{k=0}^{infty} c_k (x-a)^k$$ which will be truncated to "some" order.
Now, expanding the summations and grouping for a given power of $(x-a)^j$, we have a series of linear equations in $a,b,c$ easy to solve for the $a$'s and $b$'s where the $c$'s are known. All of this is quite simple.
For illustration, let us do it for $f(x)=e^{-x}$ using the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant. We then have
$$(1+b_1 x+b_2 x^2)left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}right)=a_0+a_1 x+a_2x^2$$
Expanding and grouping, this will give
$$(1-a_0)+ (-a_1+b_1-1)x+
left(-a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}right)x^2+left(frac{b_1}{2}-b_2-frac{1}{6}right) x^3+frac{1}{24} (-4 b_1+12 b_2+1) x^4=0$$ Cancelling all coefficients, the gives the equations
$$1-a_0=0 qquad -a_1+b_1-1=0 qquad -a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}=0qquad -4 b_1+12 b_2+1=0$$ the solutions of which being
$$a_0= 1qquad a_1=-frac 12 qquad a_2=frac 1 {12} qquad b_1=frac 12 qquad b_2= frac 1 {12}$$ which is your second expression.
Back to the two formulations given in your post, let us make the long divisions to get
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8} }=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{8}+frac{x^5}{64}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}+Oleft(x^color{red}{3}right)$$ while
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}-frac{x^5}{144}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}+Oleft(x^color{red}{5}right)$$ when compared to the Taylor expansion of $e^{-x}$.
I hope and wish that this makes things clearer for you. If not, just post.
Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come frome^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived
– ShiS
16 hours ago
1
@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
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The first one is not a Padé approximant but the ratio of two Taylor series.
Written as
$$e^{-x}=frac{e^{-x/2}}{e^{x/2}}=frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right)}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right) }$$
This does not have anything to do with the second one which is the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant of $e^{-x}$
To show how is better the Padé approximant, let us compute
$$Phi_1=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}right)^2,dxapprox 5.033times 10^{-5}$$ which, for sure, is better than
$$Phi_0=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}right)right)^2,dxapprox 1.375times 10^{-4}$$
but so worse than
$$Phi_2=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}} {1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12} }right)^2,dxapprox 3.127times 10^{-8}$$
Edit
Developed at a point $x=a$, for a given function $f(x)$, the $[m,n]$ Padé approximant write
$$p_{m,n}=frac{sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i } {1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i }$$ Then, let us write in a first step
$$left(1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i right),f(x)=sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i $$ and replace $f(x)$ by its corresponding Taylor expansion
$$f(x)= sum_{k=0} ^ {infty} frac {f^{(k)}(a)}{n!} (x-a)^{n}=sum _{k=0}^{infty} c_k (x-a)^k$$ which will be truncated to "some" order.
Now, expanding the summations and grouping for a given power of $(x-a)^j$, we have a series of linear equations in $a,b,c$ easy to solve for the $a$'s and $b$'s where the $c$'s are known. All of this is quite simple.
For illustration, let us do it for $f(x)=e^{-x}$ using the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant. We then have
$$(1+b_1 x+b_2 x^2)left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}right)=a_0+a_1 x+a_2x^2$$
Expanding and grouping, this will give
$$(1-a_0)+ (-a_1+b_1-1)x+
left(-a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}right)x^2+left(frac{b_1}{2}-b_2-frac{1}{6}right) x^3+frac{1}{24} (-4 b_1+12 b_2+1) x^4=0$$ Cancelling all coefficients, the gives the equations
$$1-a_0=0 qquad -a_1+b_1-1=0 qquad -a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}=0qquad -4 b_1+12 b_2+1=0$$ the solutions of which being
$$a_0= 1qquad a_1=-frac 12 qquad a_2=frac 1 {12} qquad b_1=frac 12 qquad b_2= frac 1 {12}$$ which is your second expression.
Back to the two formulations given in your post, let us make the long divisions to get
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8} }=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{8}+frac{x^5}{64}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}+Oleft(x^color{red}{3}right)$$ while
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}-frac{x^5}{144}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}+Oleft(x^color{red}{5}right)$$ when compared to the Taylor expansion of $e^{-x}$.
I hope and wish that this makes things clearer for you. If not, just post.
The first one is not a Padé approximant but the ratio of two Taylor series.
Written as
$$e^{-x}=frac{e^{-x/2}}{e^{x/2}}=frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right)}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}+Oleft(x^3right) }$$
This does not have anything to do with the second one which is the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant of $e^{-x}$
To show how is better the Padé approximant, let us compute
$$Phi_1=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}right)^2,dxapprox 5.033times 10^{-5}$$ which, for sure, is better than
$$Phi_0=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}right)right)^2,dxapprox 1.375times 10^{-4}$$
but so worse than
$$Phi_2=int_0^1 left(e^{-x}-frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}} {1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12} }right)^2,dxapprox 3.127times 10^{-8}$$
Edit
Developed at a point $x=a$, for a given function $f(x)$, the $[m,n]$ Padé approximant write
$$p_{m,n}=frac{sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i } {1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i }$$ Then, let us write in a first step
$$left(1+sum _{i=1}^n b_i (x-a)^i right),f(x)=sum _{i=0}^m a_i (x-a)^i $$ and replace $f(x)$ by its corresponding Taylor expansion
$$f(x)= sum_{k=0} ^ {infty} frac {f^{(k)}(a)}{n!} (x-a)^{n}=sum _{k=0}^{infty} c_k (x-a)^k$$ which will be truncated to "some" order.
Now, expanding the summations and grouping for a given power of $(x-a)^j$, we have a series of linear equations in $a,b,c$ easy to solve for the $a$'s and $b$'s where the $c$'s are known. All of this is quite simple.
For illustration, let us do it for $f(x)=e^{-x}$ using the $[2,2]$ Padé approximant. We then have
$$(1+b_1 x+b_2 x^2)left(1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}right)=a_0+a_1 x+a_2x^2$$
Expanding and grouping, this will give
$$(1-a_0)+ (-a_1+b_1-1)x+
left(-a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}right)x^2+left(frac{b_1}{2}-b_2-frac{1}{6}right) x^3+frac{1}{24} (-4 b_1+12 b_2+1) x^4=0$$ Cancelling all coefficients, the gives the equations
$$1-a_0=0 qquad -a_1+b_1-1=0 qquad -a_2-b_1+b_2+frac{1}{2}=0qquad -4 b_1+12 b_2+1=0$$ the solutions of which being
$$a_0= 1qquad a_1=-frac 12 qquad a_2=frac 1 {12} qquad b_1=frac 12 qquad b_2= frac 1 {12}$$ which is your second expression.
Back to the two formulations given in your post, let us make the long divisions to get
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{8} }=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{8}+frac{x^5}{64}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}+Oleft(x^color{red}{3}right)$$ while
$$frac{1-frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}{1+frac{x}{2}+frac{x^2}{12}}=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}-frac{x^5}{144}+Oleft(x^6right)=1-x+frac{x^2}{2}-frac{x^3}{6}+frac{x^4}{24}+Oleft(x^color{red}{5}right)$$ when compared to the Taylor expansion of $e^{-x}$.
I hope and wish that this makes things clearer for you. If not, just post.
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Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come frome^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived
– ShiS
16 hours ago
1
@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come frome^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived
– ShiS
16 hours ago
1
@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come from
e^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived– ShiS
16 hours ago
Thanks for the answer. Can you please give the proof of the second one, how it has come from
e^(-x)
. I mean how is it derived? Or if possible, give me link of the book or webpage where it has been derived– ShiS
16 hours ago
1
1
@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
@ShiS. If you don't mind, I shall do it tomorrow morning. I have to go now.
– Claude Leibovici
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
Sure, please anytime. Thanks a lot
– ShiS
16 hours ago
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