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Gerrymandering in North Carolina
- 1,747,742 votes for Democrats = 3 Congressional seats
- 1,638,684 votes for Republicans = 10 Congressional seats
Example sources: [1], [2]
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Gerrymandering in North Carolina
- 1,747,742 votes for Democrats = 3 Congressional seats
- 1,638,684 votes for Republicans = 10 Congressional seats
Example sources: [1], [2]
Are these numbers correct?
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Asking whether the numbers are correct is a legitimate question, but I'm tempted to ask another question about whether the seats in NC have been gerrymandered. It might be a duplicate of skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40256/… though.
– Andrew Grimm
9 hours ago
You call this "gerrymandered"? Son, you wouldn't know gerrymandering if if jumped up and kicked you in the behind. You want gerrymandered? Look at the Ohio congressional districts, in particular the Ohio 9th and 11th (my district). These are "designer districts", intended to capture many of the Democratic voters in two districts which between them span nearly the width of the state, and keep the surrounding districts "safe" for Republicans.
– Bob Jarvis
6 hours ago
Do you know the total popular vote for Ohio in the House elections?
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
Maryland is at least as bad as Ohio. Look at almost any Maryland congressional district. Most are not even contiguous.
– James K Polk
1 hour ago
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Gerrymandering in North Carolina
- 1,747,742 votes for Democrats = 3 Congressional seats
- 1,638,684 votes for Republicans = 10 Congressional seats
Example sources: [1], [2]
Are these numbers correct?
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Gerrymandering in North Carolina
- 1,747,742 votes for Democrats = 3 Congressional seats
- 1,638,684 votes for Republicans = 10 Congressional seats
Example sources: [1], [2]
Are these numbers correct?
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Asking whether the numbers are correct is a legitimate question, but I'm tempted to ask another question about whether the seats in NC have been gerrymandered. It might be a duplicate of skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40256/… though.
– Andrew Grimm
9 hours ago
You call this "gerrymandered"? Son, you wouldn't know gerrymandering if if jumped up and kicked you in the behind. You want gerrymandered? Look at the Ohio congressional districts, in particular the Ohio 9th and 11th (my district). These are "designer districts", intended to capture many of the Democratic voters in two districts which between them span nearly the width of the state, and keep the surrounding districts "safe" for Republicans.
– Bob Jarvis
6 hours ago
Do you know the total popular vote for Ohio in the House elections?
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
Maryland is at least as bad as Ohio. Look at almost any Maryland congressional district. Most are not even contiguous.
– James K Polk
1 hour ago
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Asking whether the numbers are correct is a legitimate question, but I'm tempted to ask another question about whether the seats in NC have been gerrymandered. It might be a duplicate of skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40256/… though.
– Andrew Grimm
9 hours ago
You call this "gerrymandered"? Son, you wouldn't know gerrymandering if if jumped up and kicked you in the behind. You want gerrymandered? Look at the Ohio congressional districts, in particular the Ohio 9th and 11th (my district). These are "designer districts", intended to capture many of the Democratic voters in two districts which between them span nearly the width of the state, and keep the surrounding districts "safe" for Republicans.
– Bob Jarvis
6 hours ago
Do you know the total popular vote for Ohio in the House elections?
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
Maryland is at least as bad as Ohio. Look at almost any Maryland congressional district. Most are not even contiguous.
– James K Polk
1 hour ago
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Asking whether the numbers are correct is a legitimate question, but I'm tempted to ask another question about whether the seats in NC have been gerrymandered. It might be a duplicate of skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40256/… though.
– Andrew Grimm
9 hours ago
Asking whether the numbers are correct is a legitimate question, but I'm tempted to ask another question about whether the seats in NC have been gerrymandered. It might be a duplicate of skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40256/… though.
– Andrew Grimm
9 hours ago
You call this "gerrymandered"? Son, you wouldn't know gerrymandering if if jumped up and kicked you in the behind. You want gerrymandered? Look at the Ohio congressional districts, in particular the Ohio 9th and 11th (my district). These are "designer districts", intended to capture many of the Democratic voters in two districts which between them span nearly the width of the state, and keep the surrounding districts "safe" for Republicans.
– Bob Jarvis
6 hours ago
You call this "gerrymandered"? Son, you wouldn't know gerrymandering if if jumped up and kicked you in the behind. You want gerrymandered? Look at the Ohio congressional districts, in particular the Ohio 9th and 11th (my district). These are "designer districts", intended to capture many of the Democratic voters in two districts which between them span nearly the width of the state, and keep the surrounding districts "safe" for Republicans.
– Bob Jarvis
6 hours ago
Do you know the total popular vote for Ohio in the House elections?
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
Do you know the total popular vote for Ohio in the House elections?
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
Maryland is at least as bad as Ohio. Look at almost any Maryland congressional district. Most are not even contiguous.
– James K Polk
1 hour ago
Maryland is at least as bad as Ohio. Look at almost any Maryland congressional district. Most are not even contiguous.
– James K Polk
1 hour ago
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Yes, the numbers are correct (within an error margin - probably due to different sources and time of capture).
According to the 2018 House election results (I used this handy Washington Post page), adding up numbers for NC, will give you the total of 1,748,173 votes for Democrats and 1,643,790 for Republicans - very close to the claim.
Ten of the seats went to Republicans and three to Democrats (Districts 1, 4, and 12), with most Republican wins being quite narrow and Democrats wins overwhelming.
district D R
1 188,074 81,486
2 148,959 167,382
4 242,002 80,546
5 118,558 158,444
6 122,323 159,651
7 119,606 155,705
8 112,971 140,347
9 136,478 138,338
10 112,386 164,060
11 115,824 177,230
12 202,228 74,639
13 128,764 145,962
Note: One caveat is that the Republican representative for District 3 ran uncontested. That is, it would be more appropriate to say that the result is 9 vs 3, as the total numbers don't include the voters in 3rd district.
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According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
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@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
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It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
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@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
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@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
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This is a community wiki supplement to the other answer, which makes the columns easier to read and shows vote difference for each district. 3rd party or other votes are not included.
District D R Margin Total Votes Majority %
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1 188,074 81,486 (D) 106,588 269,560 (D) 69.8%
2 148,959 167,382 18,423 (R) 316,341 52.9% (R)
3 * * * (R) 186,353* 100%* (R)
4 242,002 80,546 (D) 161,456 322,548 (D) 75%
5 118,558 158,444 39,886 (R) 277,002 57.2% (R)
6 122,323 159,651 37,328 (R) 281,974 56.6% (R)
7 119,606 155,705 36,099 (R) 275,311 56.6% (R)
8 112,971 140,347 27,376 (R) 253,318 55.4% (R)
9 136,478 138,338 1,860 (R) 274,816 50.3% (R)
10 112,386 164,060 51,674 (R) 276,446 59.3% (R)
11 115,824 177,230 61,406 (R) 293,054 60.5% (R)
12 202,228 74,639 (D) 127,589 276,867 (D) 73%
13 128,764 145,962 17,198 (R) 274,726 53.1% (R)
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Total 1,748,173 1,643,790 (D) 104,383
* = uncontested, no votes are listed, same as Washington Post source.
Democrat candidates received 104,383 more votes than their Republican opponents. However, Republicans received 81,970 more votes overall (1,830,143 total), when including districts they were unopposed in. (Since the there was no challenger for district 3 it is impossible to calculate a meaningful Democrat-to-Republican margin for the total count. More or fewer people may have voted, some of the cast ballots may have gone to a different party, etc.)
Data from Washington Post.
Raleigh is in district 4.
Charlotte is in district 12.
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Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
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@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
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I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
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According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections & Ethics Enforcement, the results of the 2018 election are as follows. (Parties are ordered by number of votes):
District 1
Democratic Candidate: 188,074
Republican Candidate: 81,486
District 2
Republican Candidate: 167,382
Democratic Candidate: 148,959
Libertarian Candidate: 9,427
District 3
Republican Candidate: 186,353
District 4
Democratic Candidate: 242,002
Republican Candidate: 80,546
Libertarian Candidate: 11,947
District 5
Republican Candidate: 158,495
Democratic Candidate: 118,593
District 6
Republican Candidate: 159,651
Democratic Candidate: 122,323
District 7
Republican Candidate: 155,705
Democratic Candidate: 119,606
Constitution Candidate: 4,599
District 8
Republican Candidate: 140,352
Democratic Candidate: 112,736
District 9
Republican Candidate: 138,381
Democratic Candidate: 136,591
Libertarian Candidate: 5,048
District 10
Republican Candidate: 164,074
Democratic Candidate: 112,396
District 11
Republican Candidate: 177,352
Democratic Candidate: 115,889
Libertarian Candidate: 6,078
District 12
Democratic Candidate: 202,228
Republican Candidate: 74,639
District 13
Republican Candidate: 146,062
Democratic Candidate: 128,830
Libertarian Candidate: 5,443
Green Candidate: 2,795
Total
Republicans: 1,830,478
Democrats: 1,748,227
Libertarians: 37,943
Constitution: 4,599
Green: 2,795
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This graphic from the question leaves off the results from district 3. District 3 cast 186,353 votes for the Republican candidate and none for a Democrat (the Republican was unopposed). That flips the total to 1,830,219 Republican votes to 1,748,018 Democratic votes (a margin of 82,201). That's 50.5% to 48.2%. Presumably the other 1.3% went to third party candidates.
Source: Wikipedia.
Original citation for district 3. As that is the official source, someone could get the rest of the districts from there as well. Javascript required to change districts and view results.
Remember that the original claim was that Republicans won ten of thirteen races with fewer votes. That's demonstrably untrue, as the graphic only includes the votes from twelve of the districts. If it were leaving off the uncontested races, it should only have been nine of twelve contested races.
If the claim is instead adjusted so that it only compares the seat proportion to the vote proportion, there are several other states where it's the Democrats who won a higher seat share than their vote share. E.g. three out of four in Iowa with only 50.38% of the vote; five of five in Connecticut with at most 64.4% of the vote; nine of nine in Massachusetts; or California, where Republicans won more than a third of the vote but no more than half as many seats (two still undecided).
It also may be worth noting that in North Carolina in 2016 and 2014, the Republicans won by about 300,000 rather than less than 100,000. In 2010, Republicans had over 236,000 votes more than the Democrats but only won six of thirteen seats.
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Yes, the numbers are correct (within an error margin - probably due to different sources and time of capture).
According to the 2018 House election results (I used this handy Washington Post page), adding up numbers for NC, will give you the total of 1,748,173 votes for Democrats and 1,643,790 for Republicans - very close to the claim.
Ten of the seats went to Republicans and three to Democrats (Districts 1, 4, and 12), with most Republican wins being quite narrow and Democrats wins overwhelming.
district D R
1 188,074 81,486
2 148,959 167,382
4 242,002 80,546
5 118,558 158,444
6 122,323 159,651
7 119,606 155,705
8 112,971 140,347
9 136,478 138,338
10 112,386 164,060
11 115,824 177,230
12 202,228 74,639
13 128,764 145,962
Note: One caveat is that the Republican representative for District 3 ran uncontested. That is, it would be more appropriate to say that the result is 9 vs 3, as the total numbers don't include the voters in 3rd district.
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According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
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@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
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It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
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@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
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@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
2 days ago
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Yes, the numbers are correct (within an error margin - probably due to different sources and time of capture).
According to the 2018 House election results (I used this handy Washington Post page), adding up numbers for NC, will give you the total of 1,748,173 votes for Democrats and 1,643,790 for Republicans - very close to the claim.
Ten of the seats went to Republicans and three to Democrats (Districts 1, 4, and 12), with most Republican wins being quite narrow and Democrats wins overwhelming.
district D R
1 188,074 81,486
2 148,959 167,382
4 242,002 80,546
5 118,558 158,444
6 122,323 159,651
7 119,606 155,705
8 112,971 140,347
9 136,478 138,338
10 112,386 164,060
11 115,824 177,230
12 202,228 74,639
13 128,764 145,962
Note: One caveat is that the Republican representative for District 3 ran uncontested. That is, it would be more appropriate to say that the result is 9 vs 3, as the total numbers don't include the voters in 3rd district.
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According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
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@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
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It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
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@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
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@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
2 days ago
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Yes, the numbers are correct (within an error margin - probably due to different sources and time of capture).
According to the 2018 House election results (I used this handy Washington Post page), adding up numbers for NC, will give you the total of 1,748,173 votes for Democrats and 1,643,790 for Republicans - very close to the claim.
Ten of the seats went to Republicans and three to Democrats (Districts 1, 4, and 12), with most Republican wins being quite narrow and Democrats wins overwhelming.
district D R
1 188,074 81,486
2 148,959 167,382
4 242,002 80,546
5 118,558 158,444
6 122,323 159,651
7 119,606 155,705
8 112,971 140,347
9 136,478 138,338
10 112,386 164,060
11 115,824 177,230
12 202,228 74,639
13 128,764 145,962
Note: One caveat is that the Republican representative for District 3 ran uncontested. That is, it would be more appropriate to say that the result is 9 vs 3, as the total numbers don't include the voters in 3rd district.
Yes, the numbers are correct (within an error margin - probably due to different sources and time of capture).
According to the 2018 House election results (I used this handy Washington Post page), adding up numbers for NC, will give you the total of 1,748,173 votes for Democrats and 1,643,790 for Republicans - very close to the claim.
Ten of the seats went to Republicans and three to Democrats (Districts 1, 4, and 12), with most Republican wins being quite narrow and Democrats wins overwhelming.
district D R
1 188,074 81,486
2 148,959 167,382
4 242,002 80,546
5 118,558 158,444
6 122,323 159,651
7 119,606 155,705
8 112,971 140,347
9 136,478 138,338
10 112,386 164,060
11 115,824 177,230
12 202,228 74,639
13 128,764 145,962
Note: One caveat is that the Republican representative for District 3 ran uncontested. That is, it would be more appropriate to say that the result is 9 vs 3, as the total numbers don't include the voters in 3rd district.
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According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
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@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
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It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
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@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
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@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
2 days ago
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According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
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@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
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It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
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@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
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@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
2 days ago
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According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
According to ncsbe.gov/ncsbe, the unopposed Republican candidate in District 3 (Walter Jones) received 186,353 votes. So perhaps one ought to say that the total was 1748173 votes for Democrats and 1830143 for Republicans. Excluding the unopposed seat and calling the total 9 vs 3 seems a little bit like cherry picking.
– Nate Eldredge
Nov 12 at 5:30
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@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
@NateEldredge I don't see it as cherry picking - "unopposed" means we can't really compare numbers properly, as we have no reference to what would a Dem candidate get there. In ideal world, in a randomly split 50/50 territory, we'd expect to get an equal number of representatives for each party. We just select a smaller territory, excl. district 3. Nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to introduce an edit with a possible alternative take on this, it doesn't change the answer in essence really, I don't mind...
– sashkello
Nov 12 at 5:38
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It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
It's more than just size. The Democrat-held districts all had massive majorities, with almost all the votes going Democrat. The Republican held districts had comfortable but much smaller majorities. That's exactly the sort of textbook distribution you try for in a Gerrymandering scheme. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
– DJClayworth
2 days ago
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@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
@fredsbend: There's nothing to prove. They openly admit to gerrymandering, and even made it part of their public election strategy. It's not illegal, despite nearly everyone on both sides agreeing it should be, because the people who vote on the laws are the ones who directly benefit from it.
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
2 days ago
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@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
2 days ago
@hobbs I think you came to almost the exact opposite view as me based on the FiveThirtyEight data. Their simulator shows that this is literally as inequitable of a split as it is possible to make--the current districts represent a more-or-less perfect Republican gerrymander. There is no way to split the districts in a way that gives the Republicans more seats, and literally every way they tested that wasn't an explicit Republican gerrymander gives them fewer seats.
– Toast
2 days ago
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This is a community wiki supplement to the other answer, which makes the columns easier to read and shows vote difference for each district. 3rd party or other votes are not included.
District D R Margin Total Votes Majority %
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1 188,074 81,486 (D) 106,588 269,560 (D) 69.8%
2 148,959 167,382 18,423 (R) 316,341 52.9% (R)
3 * * * (R) 186,353* 100%* (R)
4 242,002 80,546 (D) 161,456 322,548 (D) 75%
5 118,558 158,444 39,886 (R) 277,002 57.2% (R)
6 122,323 159,651 37,328 (R) 281,974 56.6% (R)
7 119,606 155,705 36,099 (R) 275,311 56.6% (R)
8 112,971 140,347 27,376 (R) 253,318 55.4% (R)
9 136,478 138,338 1,860 (R) 274,816 50.3% (R)
10 112,386 164,060 51,674 (R) 276,446 59.3% (R)
11 115,824 177,230 61,406 (R) 293,054 60.5% (R)
12 202,228 74,639 (D) 127,589 276,867 (D) 73%
13 128,764 145,962 17,198 (R) 274,726 53.1% (R)
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Total 1,748,173 1,643,790 (D) 104,383
* = uncontested, no votes are listed, same as Washington Post source.
Democrat candidates received 104,383 more votes than their Republican opponents. However, Republicans received 81,970 more votes overall (1,830,143 total), when including districts they were unopposed in. (Since the there was no challenger for district 3 it is impossible to calculate a meaningful Democrat-to-Republican margin for the total count. More or fewer people may have voted, some of the cast ballots may have gone to a different party, etc.)
Data from Washington Post.
Raleigh is in district 4.
Charlotte is in district 12.
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Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
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@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
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I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
yesterday
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This is a community wiki supplement to the other answer, which makes the columns easier to read and shows vote difference for each district. 3rd party or other votes are not included.
District D R Margin Total Votes Majority %
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1 188,074 81,486 (D) 106,588 269,560 (D) 69.8%
2 148,959 167,382 18,423 (R) 316,341 52.9% (R)
3 * * * (R) 186,353* 100%* (R)
4 242,002 80,546 (D) 161,456 322,548 (D) 75%
5 118,558 158,444 39,886 (R) 277,002 57.2% (R)
6 122,323 159,651 37,328 (R) 281,974 56.6% (R)
7 119,606 155,705 36,099 (R) 275,311 56.6% (R)
8 112,971 140,347 27,376 (R) 253,318 55.4% (R)
9 136,478 138,338 1,860 (R) 274,816 50.3% (R)
10 112,386 164,060 51,674 (R) 276,446 59.3% (R)
11 115,824 177,230 61,406 (R) 293,054 60.5% (R)
12 202,228 74,639 (D) 127,589 276,867 (D) 73%
13 128,764 145,962 17,198 (R) 274,726 53.1% (R)
------------------------------------------------
Total 1,748,173 1,643,790 (D) 104,383
* = uncontested, no votes are listed, same as Washington Post source.
Democrat candidates received 104,383 more votes than their Republican opponents. However, Republicans received 81,970 more votes overall (1,830,143 total), when including districts they were unopposed in. (Since the there was no challenger for district 3 it is impossible to calculate a meaningful Democrat-to-Republican margin for the total count. More or fewer people may have voted, some of the cast ballots may have gone to a different party, etc.)
Data from Washington Post.
Raleigh is in district 4.
Charlotte is in district 12.
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Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
1
@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
3
Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
4
I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
yesterday
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This is a community wiki supplement to the other answer, which makes the columns easier to read and shows vote difference for each district. 3rd party or other votes are not included.
District D R Margin Total Votes Majority %
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1 188,074 81,486 (D) 106,588 269,560 (D) 69.8%
2 148,959 167,382 18,423 (R) 316,341 52.9% (R)
3 * * * (R) 186,353* 100%* (R)
4 242,002 80,546 (D) 161,456 322,548 (D) 75%
5 118,558 158,444 39,886 (R) 277,002 57.2% (R)
6 122,323 159,651 37,328 (R) 281,974 56.6% (R)
7 119,606 155,705 36,099 (R) 275,311 56.6% (R)
8 112,971 140,347 27,376 (R) 253,318 55.4% (R)
9 136,478 138,338 1,860 (R) 274,816 50.3% (R)
10 112,386 164,060 51,674 (R) 276,446 59.3% (R)
11 115,824 177,230 61,406 (R) 293,054 60.5% (R)
12 202,228 74,639 (D) 127,589 276,867 (D) 73%
13 128,764 145,962 17,198 (R) 274,726 53.1% (R)
------------------------------------------------
Total 1,748,173 1,643,790 (D) 104,383
* = uncontested, no votes are listed, same as Washington Post source.
Democrat candidates received 104,383 more votes than their Republican opponents. However, Republicans received 81,970 more votes overall (1,830,143 total), when including districts they were unopposed in. (Since the there was no challenger for district 3 it is impossible to calculate a meaningful Democrat-to-Republican margin for the total count. More or fewer people may have voted, some of the cast ballots may have gone to a different party, etc.)
Data from Washington Post.
Raleigh is in district 4.
Charlotte is in district 12.
This is a community wiki supplement to the other answer, which makes the columns easier to read and shows vote difference for each district. 3rd party or other votes are not included.
District D R Margin Total Votes Majority %
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 188,074 81,486 (D) 106,588 269,560 (D) 69.8%
2 148,959 167,382 18,423 (R) 316,341 52.9% (R)
3 * * * (R) 186,353* 100%* (R)
4 242,002 80,546 (D) 161,456 322,548 (D) 75%
5 118,558 158,444 39,886 (R) 277,002 57.2% (R)
6 122,323 159,651 37,328 (R) 281,974 56.6% (R)
7 119,606 155,705 36,099 (R) 275,311 56.6% (R)
8 112,971 140,347 27,376 (R) 253,318 55.4% (R)
9 136,478 138,338 1,860 (R) 274,816 50.3% (R)
10 112,386 164,060 51,674 (R) 276,446 59.3% (R)
11 115,824 177,230 61,406 (R) 293,054 60.5% (R)
12 202,228 74,639 (D) 127,589 276,867 (D) 73%
13 128,764 145,962 17,198 (R) 274,726 53.1% (R)
------------------------------------------------
Total 1,748,173 1,643,790 (D) 104,383
* = uncontested, no votes are listed, same as Washington Post source.
Democrat candidates received 104,383 more votes than their Republican opponents. However, Republicans received 81,970 more votes overall (1,830,143 total), when including districts they were unopposed in. (Since the there was no challenger for district 3 it is impossible to calculate a meaningful Democrat-to-Republican margin for the total count. More or fewer people may have voted, some of the cast ballots may have gone to a different party, etc.)
Data from Washington Post.
Raleigh is in district 4.
Charlotte is in district 12.
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Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
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@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
4
I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
yesterday
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Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
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@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
4
I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
yesterday
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Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
Wow. That "margin" column paints more of a picture than the actual colored map.
– PoloHoleSet
2 days ago
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@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
@polo Percentages might illuminate more and would be more appropriate for comparing, if someone wants to do the math.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
Districts 4 and 12 suspiciously look like packing, while district one looks suspiciously like cracking.
– fredsbend
2 days ago
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@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
@fredsbend-Or if you had a clue about the makeup of NC you would say that the districts are divided into very similar regions of concerns. District 12 is the city of Charlotte. Splitting the city of charlotte into any of its surrounding regions would mean that the people in the rural surrounding areas would get zero representation for their particular needs. Region 4 combined Raleigh/Cary/Chapel Hill and then throw in region 1 and you have the research triangle. 5 & 11 covers the mountains...
– Dunk
yesterday
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I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
yesterday
I'd also add that if one were to split Charlotte which is surrounded by conservative regions then it is quite possible that nobody will end up getting elected to represent Charlotte (proper). And that is the problem that can't be solved without gerrymandering. How do you guarantee minority representation without it?
– Dunk
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According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections & Ethics Enforcement, the results of the 2018 election are as follows. (Parties are ordered by number of votes):
District 1
Democratic Candidate: 188,074
Republican Candidate: 81,486
District 2
Republican Candidate: 167,382
Democratic Candidate: 148,959
Libertarian Candidate: 9,427
District 3
Republican Candidate: 186,353
District 4
Democratic Candidate: 242,002
Republican Candidate: 80,546
Libertarian Candidate: 11,947
District 5
Republican Candidate: 158,495
Democratic Candidate: 118,593
District 6
Republican Candidate: 159,651
Democratic Candidate: 122,323
District 7
Republican Candidate: 155,705
Democratic Candidate: 119,606
Constitution Candidate: 4,599
District 8
Republican Candidate: 140,352
Democratic Candidate: 112,736
District 9
Republican Candidate: 138,381
Democratic Candidate: 136,591
Libertarian Candidate: 5,048
District 10
Republican Candidate: 164,074
Democratic Candidate: 112,396
District 11
Republican Candidate: 177,352
Democratic Candidate: 115,889
Libertarian Candidate: 6,078
District 12
Democratic Candidate: 202,228
Republican Candidate: 74,639
District 13
Republican Candidate: 146,062
Democratic Candidate: 128,830
Libertarian Candidate: 5,443
Green Candidate: 2,795
Total
Republicans: 1,830,478
Democrats: 1,748,227
Libertarians: 37,943
Constitution: 4,599
Green: 2,795
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According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections & Ethics Enforcement, the results of the 2018 election are as follows. (Parties are ordered by number of votes):
District 1
Democratic Candidate: 188,074
Republican Candidate: 81,486
District 2
Republican Candidate: 167,382
Democratic Candidate: 148,959
Libertarian Candidate: 9,427
District 3
Republican Candidate: 186,353
District 4
Democratic Candidate: 242,002
Republican Candidate: 80,546
Libertarian Candidate: 11,947
District 5
Republican Candidate: 158,495
Democratic Candidate: 118,593
District 6
Republican Candidate: 159,651
Democratic Candidate: 122,323
District 7
Republican Candidate: 155,705
Democratic Candidate: 119,606
Constitution Candidate: 4,599
District 8
Republican Candidate: 140,352
Democratic Candidate: 112,736
District 9
Republican Candidate: 138,381
Democratic Candidate: 136,591
Libertarian Candidate: 5,048
District 10
Republican Candidate: 164,074
Democratic Candidate: 112,396
District 11
Republican Candidate: 177,352
Democratic Candidate: 115,889
Libertarian Candidate: 6,078
District 12
Democratic Candidate: 202,228
Republican Candidate: 74,639
District 13
Republican Candidate: 146,062
Democratic Candidate: 128,830
Libertarian Candidate: 5,443
Green Candidate: 2,795
Total
Republicans: 1,830,478
Democrats: 1,748,227
Libertarians: 37,943
Constitution: 4,599
Green: 2,795
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According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections & Ethics Enforcement, the results of the 2018 election are as follows. (Parties are ordered by number of votes):
District 1
Democratic Candidate: 188,074
Republican Candidate: 81,486
District 2
Republican Candidate: 167,382
Democratic Candidate: 148,959
Libertarian Candidate: 9,427
District 3
Republican Candidate: 186,353
District 4
Democratic Candidate: 242,002
Republican Candidate: 80,546
Libertarian Candidate: 11,947
District 5
Republican Candidate: 158,495
Democratic Candidate: 118,593
District 6
Republican Candidate: 159,651
Democratic Candidate: 122,323
District 7
Republican Candidate: 155,705
Democratic Candidate: 119,606
Constitution Candidate: 4,599
District 8
Republican Candidate: 140,352
Democratic Candidate: 112,736
District 9
Republican Candidate: 138,381
Democratic Candidate: 136,591
Libertarian Candidate: 5,048
District 10
Republican Candidate: 164,074
Democratic Candidate: 112,396
District 11
Republican Candidate: 177,352
Democratic Candidate: 115,889
Libertarian Candidate: 6,078
District 12
Democratic Candidate: 202,228
Republican Candidate: 74,639
District 13
Republican Candidate: 146,062
Democratic Candidate: 128,830
Libertarian Candidate: 5,443
Green Candidate: 2,795
Total
Republicans: 1,830,478
Democrats: 1,748,227
Libertarians: 37,943
Constitution: 4,599
Green: 2,795
According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections & Ethics Enforcement, the results of the 2018 election are as follows. (Parties are ordered by number of votes):
District 1
Democratic Candidate: 188,074
Republican Candidate: 81,486
District 2
Republican Candidate: 167,382
Democratic Candidate: 148,959
Libertarian Candidate: 9,427
District 3
Republican Candidate: 186,353
District 4
Democratic Candidate: 242,002
Republican Candidate: 80,546
Libertarian Candidate: 11,947
District 5
Republican Candidate: 158,495
Democratic Candidate: 118,593
District 6
Republican Candidate: 159,651
Democratic Candidate: 122,323
District 7
Republican Candidate: 155,705
Democratic Candidate: 119,606
Constitution Candidate: 4,599
District 8
Republican Candidate: 140,352
Democratic Candidate: 112,736
District 9
Republican Candidate: 138,381
Democratic Candidate: 136,591
Libertarian Candidate: 5,048
District 10
Republican Candidate: 164,074
Democratic Candidate: 112,396
District 11
Republican Candidate: 177,352
Democratic Candidate: 115,889
Libertarian Candidate: 6,078
District 12
Democratic Candidate: 202,228
Republican Candidate: 74,639
District 13
Republican Candidate: 146,062
Democratic Candidate: 128,830
Libertarian Candidate: 5,443
Green Candidate: 2,795
Total
Republicans: 1,830,478
Democrats: 1,748,227
Libertarians: 37,943
Constitution: 4,599
Green: 2,795
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This graphic from the question leaves off the results from district 3. District 3 cast 186,353 votes for the Republican candidate and none for a Democrat (the Republican was unopposed). That flips the total to 1,830,219 Republican votes to 1,748,018 Democratic votes (a margin of 82,201). That's 50.5% to 48.2%. Presumably the other 1.3% went to third party candidates.
Source: Wikipedia.
Original citation for district 3. As that is the official source, someone could get the rest of the districts from there as well. Javascript required to change districts and view results.
Remember that the original claim was that Republicans won ten of thirteen races with fewer votes. That's demonstrably untrue, as the graphic only includes the votes from twelve of the districts. If it were leaving off the uncontested races, it should only have been nine of twelve contested races.
If the claim is instead adjusted so that it only compares the seat proportion to the vote proportion, there are several other states where it's the Democrats who won a higher seat share than their vote share. E.g. three out of four in Iowa with only 50.38% of the vote; five of five in Connecticut with at most 64.4% of the vote; nine of nine in Massachusetts; or California, where Republicans won more than a third of the vote but no more than half as many seats (two still undecided).
It also may be worth noting that in North Carolina in 2016 and 2014, the Republicans won by about 300,000 rather than less than 100,000. In 2010, Republicans had over 236,000 votes more than the Democrats but only won six of thirteen seats.
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Answers should stand alone, so the explanation that the Republican in District 3 ran unopposed is crucial and absent here. Whether or not, and how, the votes in District 3 should be counted for this comparison is debatable, but let’s give readers all of the information required to understand what is happening and make their own judgments.
– KRyan
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This graphic from the question leaves off the results from district 3. District 3 cast 186,353 votes for the Republican candidate and none for a Democrat (the Republican was unopposed). That flips the total to 1,830,219 Republican votes to 1,748,018 Democratic votes (a margin of 82,201). That's 50.5% to 48.2%. Presumably the other 1.3% went to third party candidates.
Source: Wikipedia.
Original citation for district 3. As that is the official source, someone could get the rest of the districts from there as well. Javascript required to change districts and view results.
Remember that the original claim was that Republicans won ten of thirteen races with fewer votes. That's demonstrably untrue, as the graphic only includes the votes from twelve of the districts. If it were leaving off the uncontested races, it should only have been nine of twelve contested races.
If the claim is instead adjusted so that it only compares the seat proportion to the vote proportion, there are several other states where it's the Democrats who won a higher seat share than their vote share. E.g. three out of four in Iowa with only 50.38% of the vote; five of five in Connecticut with at most 64.4% of the vote; nine of nine in Massachusetts; or California, where Republicans won more than a third of the vote but no more than half as many seats (two still undecided).
It also may be worth noting that in North Carolina in 2016 and 2014, the Republicans won by about 300,000 rather than less than 100,000. In 2010, Republicans had over 236,000 votes more than the Democrats but only won six of thirteen seats.
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Answers should stand alone, so the explanation that the Republican in District 3 ran unopposed is crucial and absent here. Whether or not, and how, the votes in District 3 should be counted for this comparison is debatable, but let’s give readers all of the information required to understand what is happening and make their own judgments.
– KRyan
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This graphic from the question leaves off the results from district 3. District 3 cast 186,353 votes for the Republican candidate and none for a Democrat (the Republican was unopposed). That flips the total to 1,830,219 Republican votes to 1,748,018 Democratic votes (a margin of 82,201). That's 50.5% to 48.2%. Presumably the other 1.3% went to third party candidates.
Source: Wikipedia.
Original citation for district 3. As that is the official source, someone could get the rest of the districts from there as well. Javascript required to change districts and view results.
Remember that the original claim was that Republicans won ten of thirteen races with fewer votes. That's demonstrably untrue, as the graphic only includes the votes from twelve of the districts. If it were leaving off the uncontested races, it should only have been nine of twelve contested races.
If the claim is instead adjusted so that it only compares the seat proportion to the vote proportion, there are several other states where it's the Democrats who won a higher seat share than their vote share. E.g. three out of four in Iowa with only 50.38% of the vote; five of five in Connecticut with at most 64.4% of the vote; nine of nine in Massachusetts; or California, where Republicans won more than a third of the vote but no more than half as many seats (two still undecided).
It also may be worth noting that in North Carolina in 2016 and 2014, the Republicans won by about 300,000 rather than less than 100,000. In 2010, Republicans had over 236,000 votes more than the Democrats but only won six of thirteen seats.
This graphic from the question leaves off the results from district 3. District 3 cast 186,353 votes for the Republican candidate and none for a Democrat (the Republican was unopposed). That flips the total to 1,830,219 Republican votes to 1,748,018 Democratic votes (a margin of 82,201). That's 50.5% to 48.2%. Presumably the other 1.3% went to third party candidates.
Source: Wikipedia.
Original citation for district 3. As that is the official source, someone could get the rest of the districts from there as well. Javascript required to change districts and view results.
Remember that the original claim was that Republicans won ten of thirteen races with fewer votes. That's demonstrably untrue, as the graphic only includes the votes from twelve of the districts. If it were leaving off the uncontested races, it should only have been nine of twelve contested races.
If the claim is instead adjusted so that it only compares the seat proportion to the vote proportion, there are several other states where it's the Democrats who won a higher seat share than their vote share. E.g. three out of four in Iowa with only 50.38% of the vote; five of five in Connecticut with at most 64.4% of the vote; nine of nine in Massachusetts; or California, where Republicans won more than a third of the vote but no more than half as many seats (two still undecided).
It also may be worth noting that in North Carolina in 2016 and 2014, the Republicans won by about 300,000 rather than less than 100,000. In 2010, Republicans had over 236,000 votes more than the Democrats but only won six of thirteen seats.
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Answers should stand alone, so the explanation that the Republican in District 3 ran unopposed is crucial and absent here. Whether or not, and how, the votes in District 3 should be counted for this comparison is debatable, but let’s give readers all of the information required to understand what is happening and make their own judgments.
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Answers should stand alone, so the explanation that the Republican in District 3 ran unopposed is crucial and absent here. Whether or not, and how, the votes in District 3 should be counted for this comparison is debatable, but let’s give readers all of the information required to understand what is happening and make their own judgments.
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Answers should stand alone, so the explanation that the Republican in District 3 ran unopposed is crucial and absent here. Whether or not, and how, the votes in District 3 should be counted for this comparison is debatable, but let’s give readers all of the information required to understand what is happening and make their own judgments.
– KRyan
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Answers should stand alone, so the explanation that the Republican in District 3 ran unopposed is crucial and absent here. Whether or not, and how, the votes in District 3 should be counted for this comparison is debatable, but let’s give readers all of the information required to understand what is happening and make their own judgments.
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Asking whether the numbers are correct is a legitimate question, but I'm tempted to ask another question about whether the seats in NC have been gerrymandered. It might be a duplicate of skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40256/… though.
– Andrew Grimm
9 hours ago
You call this "gerrymandered"? Son, you wouldn't know gerrymandering if if jumped up and kicked you in the behind. You want gerrymandered? Look at the Ohio congressional districts, in particular the Ohio 9th and 11th (my district). These are "designer districts", intended to capture many of the Democratic voters in two districts which between them span nearly the width of the state, and keep the surrounding districts "safe" for Republicans.
– Bob Jarvis
6 hours ago
Do you know the total popular vote for Ohio in the House elections?
– DJClayworth
5 hours ago
Maryland is at least as bad as Ohio. Look at almost any Maryland congressional district. Most are not even contiguous.
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