US citizen previously refused entry into the UK and been refused for visa. What to do now?











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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.



I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:




  • I quit my job that same month.

  • I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.

  • I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.


When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...



After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.



Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.



They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.



So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.



They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.



So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???



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    "I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:11






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    I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:22






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    I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    Dec 6 at 21:15








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    @phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
    – JonathanReez
    Dec 6 at 22:56






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    As soon as I saw "I quit my job that same month", I knew why you'd have trouble: they thought you wanted to stay in Britain with your girlfriend.
    – RonJohn
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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.



I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:




  • I quit my job that same month.

  • I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.

  • I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.


When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...



After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.



Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.



They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.



So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.



They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.



So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???



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    "I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:11






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    I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:22






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    I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    Dec 6 at 21:15








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    @phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
    – JonathanReez
    Dec 6 at 22:56






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    As soon as I saw "I quit my job that same month", I knew why you'd have trouble: they thought you wanted to stay in Britain with your girlfriend.
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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.



I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:




  • I quit my job that same month.

  • I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.

  • I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.


When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...



After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.



Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.



They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.



So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.



They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.



So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???



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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.



I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:




  • I quit my job that same month.

  • I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.

  • I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.


When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...



After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.



Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.



They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.



So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.



They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.



So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???



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    "I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:11






  • 13




    I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:22






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    I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    Dec 6 at 21:15








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    @phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
    – JonathanReez
    Dec 6 at 22:56






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    As soon as I saw "I quit my job that same month", I knew why you'd have trouble: they thought you wanted to stay in Britain with your girlfriend.
    – RonJohn
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    "I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:11






  • 13




    I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
    – phoog
    Dec 6 at 19:22






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    I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    Dec 6 at 21:15








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    @phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
    – JonathanReez
    Dec 6 at 22:56






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    As soon as I saw "I quit my job that same month", I knew why you'd have trouble: they thought you wanted to stay in Britain with your girlfriend.
    – RonJohn
    2 days ago








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"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
Dec 6 at 19:11




"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
Dec 6 at 19:11




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I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
Dec 6 at 19:22




I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
Dec 6 at 19:22




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I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
Dec 6 at 21:15






I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
Dec 6 at 21:15






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@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez
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@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez
Dec 6 at 22:56




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As soon as I saw "I quit my job that same month", I knew why you'd have trouble: they thought you wanted to stay in Britain with your girlfriend.
– RonJohn
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As soon as I saw "I quit my job that same month", I knew why you'd have trouble: they thought you wanted to stay in Britain with your girlfriend.
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Do anybody have any clue what I should do???




Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.



If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.






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    +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
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At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.



Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.






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    I completely agree this is likely a 42(a)/(c) refusal. Here's what's going on.



    You have no right to enter their country (that would be citizenship). You are asking for permission to enter ("leave to enter" is the British expression).



    Britain has several categories of visa, allowing different activities: tourism and misc. activities, employment, student (allowing limited employment), transit, etc. Americans get a visa waiver only for certain activities and employment is not one of them.



    Immigration's job is to screen out (“refuse") visitors who are likely to violate the terms of their visa. Top of the hitlist are:




    • seeking employment without an appropriate work visa. UK has some of the toughest rules on "employment", you can't even telecommute, do work for your USA employer for USA customers whilst being paid in USD to a US bank.

    • abusing public assistance/welfare ("going on the dole"), such as government provided housing, food assistance or health care

    • over-staying your visa, e.g. If you are allowed 6 months on visa waiver, staying a year.


    You present as a young person who's unemployed and with nowhere near enough money for the stay in Britain you have planned. By your choice of visa (Visa Waiver Program) you are swearing that you won't seek employ or go on the dole. But since you have no money, you inevitably must do one or the other... or go home early. That's an immutable law of financial reality. You're ignoring it... but they're not. The fact that you're spending the last of your money to make it to UK is also something they see a lot of.



    You also present (again as young people often do) as someone who is "adrift" or "footloose and fancy free", and doesn't have significant ties that would drag you back to the USA. In fact, your most significant tie is in Britain: your girlfriend. So the bulk of your facts show a greater likelihood to stay in the UK indefinitely, rather than ever return to the USA. So this, too, pops all the red flags for "overstayer".



    Lastly, repeated attempts to get into the UK (and not other countries) undercuts any claim of tourism. There are 185 other cool countries! So to UKVI, desperation to get in to the UK specifically, implies you know someone in the UK who has a job or situation waiting for you. And that rhymes with "overstay".



    How do you correct that? First, show that your life has financial solvency outside the UK. (Remember: no telecommuting). For instance if you own a bunch of rental properties that produce income, or a reasonable purpose for a time-limited UK visit, and more than plenty of funds to cary you through that. (Remember they really hate to see you spend your every last dollar on a UK visit).



    Second, have ties back in the US. Own a home. Have a good job. Have a hard-won, licensed profession that doesn't transfer easily to other jurisdictions (teacher, electrician, lawyer, lobbyist, etc.) Have a business that can't run forever on autopilot. Have a cultural or political role (nonprofit Board member, political activist, National Guard reservist.) Anything to show that you have something to go back to.



    Lastly, don't be desperate. In this case, you'd want to establish the above, and successfully tourist in other countries, before attempting UK again.






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    From what I read so far there is nothing wrong with you apart from the desperation the border officers see in you. You were just visiting the UK without concrete reason: to them, you were planning to move there illegally; US and Canadian immigration officers see the same and make the same judgments all the time. Just as Zach said, arrange for your girlfriend to visit. Another suggestion will be to allow for a reasonable time(6 months) before you try and visit again plus you better have a stable job then.






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    • I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
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    • Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
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    • "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
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    • @ David so what is a good idea?
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    Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.



    If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.






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      +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
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    Do anybody have any clue what I should do???




    Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.



    If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.






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      +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
      – Honorary World Citizen
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    Do anybody have any clue what I should do???




    Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.



    If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.






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    Do anybody have any clue what I should do???




    Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.



    If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.







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      +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
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      +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
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    +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
    – Honorary World Citizen
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    +1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
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    At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.



    Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.






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      At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.



      Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.






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        up vote
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        At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.



        Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.






        share|improve this answer












        At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.



        Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.







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        Zach Lipton

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            I completely agree this is likely a 42(a)/(c) refusal. Here's what's going on.



            You have no right to enter their country (that would be citizenship). You are asking for permission to enter ("leave to enter" is the British expression).



            Britain has several categories of visa, allowing different activities: tourism and misc. activities, employment, student (allowing limited employment), transit, etc. Americans get a visa waiver only for certain activities and employment is not one of them.



            Immigration's job is to screen out (“refuse") visitors who are likely to violate the terms of their visa. Top of the hitlist are:




            • seeking employment without an appropriate work visa. UK has some of the toughest rules on "employment", you can't even telecommute, do work for your USA employer for USA customers whilst being paid in USD to a US bank.

            • abusing public assistance/welfare ("going on the dole"), such as government provided housing, food assistance or health care

            • over-staying your visa, e.g. If you are allowed 6 months on visa waiver, staying a year.


            You present as a young person who's unemployed and with nowhere near enough money for the stay in Britain you have planned. By your choice of visa (Visa Waiver Program) you are swearing that you won't seek employ or go on the dole. But since you have no money, you inevitably must do one or the other... or go home early. That's an immutable law of financial reality. You're ignoring it... but they're not. The fact that you're spending the last of your money to make it to UK is also something they see a lot of.



            You also present (again as young people often do) as someone who is "adrift" or "footloose and fancy free", and doesn't have significant ties that would drag you back to the USA. In fact, your most significant tie is in Britain: your girlfriend. So the bulk of your facts show a greater likelihood to stay in the UK indefinitely, rather than ever return to the USA. So this, too, pops all the red flags for "overstayer".



            Lastly, repeated attempts to get into the UK (and not other countries) undercuts any claim of tourism. There are 185 other cool countries! So to UKVI, desperation to get in to the UK specifically, implies you know someone in the UK who has a job or situation waiting for you. And that rhymes with "overstay".



            How do you correct that? First, show that your life has financial solvency outside the UK. (Remember: no telecommuting). For instance if you own a bunch of rental properties that produce income, or a reasonable purpose for a time-limited UK visit, and more than plenty of funds to cary you through that. (Remember they really hate to see you spend your every last dollar on a UK visit).



            Second, have ties back in the US. Own a home. Have a good job. Have a hard-won, licensed profession that doesn't transfer easily to other jurisdictions (teacher, electrician, lawyer, lobbyist, etc.) Have a business that can't run forever on autopilot. Have a cultural or political role (nonprofit Board member, political activist, National Guard reservist.) Anything to show that you have something to go back to.



            Lastly, don't be desperate. In this case, you'd want to establish the above, and successfully tourist in other countries, before attempting UK again.






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              "Say you own...": Note to the OP: This does not mean lie. It means actually own those things.
              – Kevin
              52 mins ago










            • @Kevin good point. Edited.
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              25 mins ago















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            I completely agree this is likely a 42(a)/(c) refusal. Here's what's going on.



            You have no right to enter their country (that would be citizenship). You are asking for permission to enter ("leave to enter" is the British expression).



            Britain has several categories of visa, allowing different activities: tourism and misc. activities, employment, student (allowing limited employment), transit, etc. Americans get a visa waiver only for certain activities and employment is not one of them.



            Immigration's job is to screen out (“refuse") visitors who are likely to violate the terms of their visa. Top of the hitlist are:




            • seeking employment without an appropriate work visa. UK has some of the toughest rules on "employment", you can't even telecommute, do work for your USA employer for USA customers whilst being paid in USD to a US bank.

            • abusing public assistance/welfare ("going on the dole"), such as government provided housing, food assistance or health care

            • over-staying your visa, e.g. If you are allowed 6 months on visa waiver, staying a year.


            You present as a young person who's unemployed and with nowhere near enough money for the stay in Britain you have planned. By your choice of visa (Visa Waiver Program) you are swearing that you won't seek employ or go on the dole. But since you have no money, you inevitably must do one or the other... or go home early. That's an immutable law of financial reality. You're ignoring it... but they're not. The fact that you're spending the last of your money to make it to UK is also something they see a lot of.



            You also present (again as young people often do) as someone who is "adrift" or "footloose and fancy free", and doesn't have significant ties that would drag you back to the USA. In fact, your most significant tie is in Britain: your girlfriend. So the bulk of your facts show a greater likelihood to stay in the UK indefinitely, rather than ever return to the USA. So this, too, pops all the red flags for "overstayer".



            Lastly, repeated attempts to get into the UK (and not other countries) undercuts any claim of tourism. There are 185 other cool countries! So to UKVI, desperation to get in to the UK specifically, implies you know someone in the UK who has a job or situation waiting for you. And that rhymes with "overstay".



            How do you correct that? First, show that your life has financial solvency outside the UK. (Remember: no telecommuting). For instance if you own a bunch of rental properties that produce income, or a reasonable purpose for a time-limited UK visit, and more than plenty of funds to cary you through that. (Remember they really hate to see you spend your every last dollar on a UK visit).



            Second, have ties back in the US. Own a home. Have a good job. Have a hard-won, licensed profession that doesn't transfer easily to other jurisdictions (teacher, electrician, lawyer, lobbyist, etc.) Have a business that can't run forever on autopilot. Have a cultural or political role (nonprofit Board member, political activist, National Guard reservist.) Anything to show that you have something to go back to.



            Lastly, don't be desperate. In this case, you'd want to establish the above, and successfully tourist in other countries, before attempting UK again.






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              "Say you own...": Note to the OP: This does not mean lie. It means actually own those things.
              – Kevin
              52 mins ago










            • @Kevin good point. Edited.
              – Harper
              25 mins ago













            up vote
            4
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            up vote
            4
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            I completely agree this is likely a 42(a)/(c) refusal. Here's what's going on.



            You have no right to enter their country (that would be citizenship). You are asking for permission to enter ("leave to enter" is the British expression).



            Britain has several categories of visa, allowing different activities: tourism and misc. activities, employment, student (allowing limited employment), transit, etc. Americans get a visa waiver only for certain activities and employment is not one of them.



            Immigration's job is to screen out (“refuse") visitors who are likely to violate the terms of their visa. Top of the hitlist are:




            • seeking employment without an appropriate work visa. UK has some of the toughest rules on "employment", you can't even telecommute, do work for your USA employer for USA customers whilst being paid in USD to a US bank.

            • abusing public assistance/welfare ("going on the dole"), such as government provided housing, food assistance or health care

            • over-staying your visa, e.g. If you are allowed 6 months on visa waiver, staying a year.


            You present as a young person who's unemployed and with nowhere near enough money for the stay in Britain you have planned. By your choice of visa (Visa Waiver Program) you are swearing that you won't seek employ or go on the dole. But since you have no money, you inevitably must do one or the other... or go home early. That's an immutable law of financial reality. You're ignoring it... but they're not. The fact that you're spending the last of your money to make it to UK is also something they see a lot of.



            You also present (again as young people often do) as someone who is "adrift" or "footloose and fancy free", and doesn't have significant ties that would drag you back to the USA. In fact, your most significant tie is in Britain: your girlfriend. So the bulk of your facts show a greater likelihood to stay in the UK indefinitely, rather than ever return to the USA. So this, too, pops all the red flags for "overstayer".



            Lastly, repeated attempts to get into the UK (and not other countries) undercuts any claim of tourism. There are 185 other cool countries! So to UKVI, desperation to get in to the UK specifically, implies you know someone in the UK who has a job or situation waiting for you. And that rhymes with "overstay".



            How do you correct that? First, show that your life has financial solvency outside the UK. (Remember: no telecommuting). For instance if you own a bunch of rental properties that produce income, or a reasonable purpose for a time-limited UK visit, and more than plenty of funds to cary you through that. (Remember they really hate to see you spend your every last dollar on a UK visit).



            Second, have ties back in the US. Own a home. Have a good job. Have a hard-won, licensed profession that doesn't transfer easily to other jurisdictions (teacher, electrician, lawyer, lobbyist, etc.) Have a business that can't run forever on autopilot. Have a cultural or political role (nonprofit Board member, political activist, National Guard reservist.) Anything to show that you have something to go back to.



            Lastly, don't be desperate. In this case, you'd want to establish the above, and successfully tourist in other countries, before attempting UK again.






            share|improve this answer














            I completely agree this is likely a 42(a)/(c) refusal. Here's what's going on.



            You have no right to enter their country (that would be citizenship). You are asking for permission to enter ("leave to enter" is the British expression).



            Britain has several categories of visa, allowing different activities: tourism and misc. activities, employment, student (allowing limited employment), transit, etc. Americans get a visa waiver only for certain activities and employment is not one of them.



            Immigration's job is to screen out (“refuse") visitors who are likely to violate the terms of their visa. Top of the hitlist are:




            • seeking employment without an appropriate work visa. UK has some of the toughest rules on "employment", you can't even telecommute, do work for your USA employer for USA customers whilst being paid in USD to a US bank.

            • abusing public assistance/welfare ("going on the dole"), such as government provided housing, food assistance or health care

            • over-staying your visa, e.g. If you are allowed 6 months on visa waiver, staying a year.


            You present as a young person who's unemployed and with nowhere near enough money for the stay in Britain you have planned. By your choice of visa (Visa Waiver Program) you are swearing that you won't seek employ or go on the dole. But since you have no money, you inevitably must do one or the other... or go home early. That's an immutable law of financial reality. You're ignoring it... but they're not. The fact that you're spending the last of your money to make it to UK is also something they see a lot of.



            You also present (again as young people often do) as someone who is "adrift" or "footloose and fancy free", and doesn't have significant ties that would drag you back to the USA. In fact, your most significant tie is in Britain: your girlfriend. So the bulk of your facts show a greater likelihood to stay in the UK indefinitely, rather than ever return to the USA. So this, too, pops all the red flags for "overstayer".



            Lastly, repeated attempts to get into the UK (and not other countries) undercuts any claim of tourism. There are 185 other cool countries! So to UKVI, desperation to get in to the UK specifically, implies you know someone in the UK who has a job or situation waiting for you. And that rhymes with "overstay".



            How do you correct that? First, show that your life has financial solvency outside the UK. (Remember: no telecommuting). For instance if you own a bunch of rental properties that produce income, or a reasonable purpose for a time-limited UK visit, and more than plenty of funds to cary you through that. (Remember they really hate to see you spend your every last dollar on a UK visit).



            Second, have ties back in the US. Own a home. Have a good job. Have a hard-won, licensed profession that doesn't transfer easily to other jurisdictions (teacher, electrician, lawyer, lobbyist, etc.) Have a business that can't run forever on autopilot. Have a cultural or political role (nonprofit Board member, political activist, National Guard reservist.) Anything to show that you have something to go back to.



            Lastly, don't be desperate. In this case, you'd want to establish the above, and successfully tourist in other countries, before attempting UK again.







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              "Say you own...": Note to the OP: This does not mean lie. It means actually own those things.
              – Kevin
              52 mins ago










            • @Kevin good point. Edited.
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            • 1




              "Say you own...": Note to the OP: This does not mean lie. It means actually own those things.
              – Kevin
              52 mins ago










            • @Kevin good point. Edited.
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              25 mins ago








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            "Say you own...": Note to the OP: This does not mean lie. It means actually own those things.
            – Kevin
            52 mins ago




            "Say you own...": Note to the OP: This does not mean lie. It means actually own those things.
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            @Kevin good point. Edited.
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            @Kevin good point. Edited.
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            From what I read so far there is nothing wrong with you apart from the desperation the border officers see in you. You were just visiting the UK without concrete reason: to them, you were planning to move there illegally; US and Canadian immigration officers see the same and make the same judgments all the time. Just as Zach said, arrange for your girlfriend to visit. Another suggestion will be to allow for a reasonable time(6 months) before you try and visit again plus you better have a stable job then.






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            • I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
              – jealob
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            • "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
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              yesterday












            • @ David so what is a good idea?
              – jealob
              22 hours ago






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              As I write this, there are answers with 69 and 46 upvotes, respectively. They are the good ideas.
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              16 hours ago

















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            From what I read so far there is nothing wrong with you apart from the desperation the border officers see in you. You were just visiting the UK without concrete reason: to them, you were planning to move there illegally; US and Canadian immigration officers see the same and make the same judgments all the time. Just as Zach said, arrange for your girlfriend to visit. Another suggestion will be to allow for a reasonable time(6 months) before you try and visit again plus you better have a stable job then.






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            • I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
              – jealob
              yesterday










            • "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • @ David so what is a good idea?
              – jealob
              22 hours ago






            • 3




              As I write this, there are answers with 69 and 46 upvotes, respectively. They are the good ideas.
              – David Richerby
              16 hours ago















            up vote
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            up vote
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            From what I read so far there is nothing wrong with you apart from the desperation the border officers see in you. You were just visiting the UK without concrete reason: to them, you were planning to move there illegally; US and Canadian immigration officers see the same and make the same judgments all the time. Just as Zach said, arrange for your girlfriend to visit. Another suggestion will be to allow for a reasonable time(6 months) before you try and visit again plus you better have a stable job then.






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            From what I read so far there is nothing wrong with you apart from the desperation the border officers see in you. You were just visiting the UK without concrete reason: to them, you were planning to move there illegally; US and Canadian immigration officers see the same and make the same judgments all the time. Just as Zach said, arrange for your girlfriend to visit. Another suggestion will be to allow for a reasonable time(6 months) before you try and visit again plus you better have a stable job then.







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            • I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
              – jealob
              yesterday










            • "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • @ David so what is a good idea?
              – jealob
              22 hours ago






            • 3




              As I write this, there are answers with 69 and 46 upvotes, respectively. They are the good ideas.
              – David Richerby
              16 hours ago




















            • I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
              – jealob
              yesterday










            • "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
              – David Richerby
              yesterday












            • @ David so what is a good idea?
              – jealob
              22 hours ago






            • 3




              As I write this, there are answers with 69 and 46 upvotes, respectively. They are the good ideas.
              – David Richerby
              16 hours ago


















            I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
            – David Richerby
            yesterday






            I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting without concrete reason". Visiting his girlfriend seems pretty concrete to me. And what is "a reasonable time" before trying again?
            – David Richerby
            yesterday














            Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
            – jealob
            yesterday




            Those who travel to a country they are not resident in every couple of months either have strong ties to that country like family, business, or they study there. Using a tourist visa (or in this case VWP) to travel into a country (most especially western country) is frown upon. So when you say you going to visit your girlfriend you saw about 6 weeks ago is not viable("concrete") enough to gain entry. Reasonable time should be some around 6 months assume all other conditions are meant(finances, strong ties to your country of residence, like stable employ or steady source of income).
            – jealob
            yesterday












            "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
            – David Richerby
            yesterday






            "Concrete" means "definite", not "viable." And, after two refusals, trying again in six months sounds like a very bad idea.
            – David Richerby
            yesterday














            @ David so what is a good idea?
            – jealob
            22 hours ago




            @ David so what is a good idea?
            – jealob
            22 hours ago




            3




            3




            As I write this, there are answers with 69 and 46 upvotes, respectively. They are the good ideas.
            – David Richerby
            16 hours ago






            As I write this, there are answers with 69 and 46 upvotes, respectively. They are the good ideas.
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