Voltage buffer in power supply
The output voltage from the NPN transistor (TIP142) is 4.7 volts with no load attached and only decreases as the load increases. However, voltage at its base (from an LM7805) remains a stable 5V. How do I make the output voltage stable 5V as well?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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The output voltage from the NPN transistor (TIP142) is 4.7 volts with no load attached and only decreases as the load increases. However, voltage at its base (from an LM7805) remains a stable 5V. How do I make the output voltage stable 5V as well?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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The output voltage from the NPN transistor (TIP142) is 4.7 volts with no load attached and only decreases as the load increases. However, voltage at its base (from an LM7805) remains a stable 5V. How do I make the output voltage stable 5V as well?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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The output voltage from the NPN transistor (TIP142) is 4.7 volts with no load attached and only decreases as the load increases. However, voltage at its base (from an LM7805) remains a stable 5V. How do I make the output voltage stable 5V as well?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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You are doing it wrong. If you want to add a power transistor to a linear regulator, it has to be a PNP transistor for a positive regulator, and its base goes to the input. Not the output.
The reason why this is different from a simple Zener circuit is the Zener "steals" the base current from the NPN power transistor in its circuit when the voltage on its terminals is too high. An integrated voltage regulator will not do that. Instead, it "steals" the current on its input when the voltage on the output is too low.
See the following schematic. Q1, R1, ZD1 are a simplistic linear regulator, using a Zener. Q2 is the external power transistor you added.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
R1 and R2 seem very similar in function at first, but in reality, their function is very different. While R1 is providing a maximum base current for Q1 that ZD1 could "steal away" if the output voltage (+0,7V BE voltage of Q1) is too high, effectively steer Q1 closed in that event, R2 is providing an "idle current" to the linear regulator circuit. It does nothing to Q2, as it's bypassing BE, not connecting BC.
The collector current of Q2 follows that of Q1 as the collector current through Q1 is the base current through Q2.
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The schematic you show is using the 7805 simply as a base drive for the TIP142 operating in Emitter follower mode. As pointed out already this is NOT what you want.
You want a Current Amplifier to relieve the load on the 7805 or provide extra load current capability.
Typically these circuits are arranged as follows:
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
Things to note:
- R1 and R2 are actually handling most of the power dissipation in this example.
- The 7805 is operated with lower headroom (only 1V above the 2V minimum.
- It is essential there is a minimum load (5mA) and this is provided by R3.
- D1 provides protection for the 7805 if the input is lost and the output is still high.
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Moving the base of the Darlington TIP 142 to the input of U1 is needed.
The next step is to choose a series power resistor to feed U1 input while Vbe becomes active by the drop voltage just before U1 max current or gets too hot.
Vbe=3.0V max @ Ic=10A , Vce=4V
- Vce(sat)=2.0V (Ic = 5.0 A, Ib = 10 mA)
- Vce(sat)= 3.0V (Ib = 10 A, Ib = 40 mA)
Can you compute Rb now say for U1 out= 0.5A and Q1 out = 5 or 10A knowing Ib?
Since your input V is 12V or 7V above your 5V output the power dissipation is more than your load power.
Using a PNP single power transistor reduces the voltage and power dissipation in the base resistor but does not significantly reduce the overall 7V x 5A = 35 watt loss in this inefficient linear regulator yet its does dissipate 0.5A*Vbe=1.6V@ Ic=6A. ( see fig 5 in ON Spec. )
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You are doing it wrong. If you want to add a power transistor to a linear regulator, it has to be a PNP transistor for a positive regulator, and its base goes to the input. Not the output.
The reason why this is different from a simple Zener circuit is the Zener "steals" the base current from the NPN power transistor in its circuit when the voltage on its terminals is too high. An integrated voltage regulator will not do that. Instead, it "steals" the current on its input when the voltage on the output is too low.
See the following schematic. Q1, R1, ZD1 are a simplistic linear regulator, using a Zener. Q2 is the external power transistor you added.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
R1 and R2 seem very similar in function at first, but in reality, their function is very different. While R1 is providing a maximum base current for Q1 that ZD1 could "steal away" if the output voltage (+0,7V BE voltage of Q1) is too high, effectively steer Q1 closed in that event, R2 is providing an "idle current" to the linear regulator circuit. It does nothing to Q2, as it's bypassing BE, not connecting BC.
The collector current of Q2 follows that of Q1 as the collector current through Q1 is the base current through Q2.
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You are doing it wrong. If you want to add a power transistor to a linear regulator, it has to be a PNP transistor for a positive regulator, and its base goes to the input. Not the output.
The reason why this is different from a simple Zener circuit is the Zener "steals" the base current from the NPN power transistor in its circuit when the voltage on its terminals is too high. An integrated voltage regulator will not do that. Instead, it "steals" the current on its input when the voltage on the output is too low.
See the following schematic. Q1, R1, ZD1 are a simplistic linear regulator, using a Zener. Q2 is the external power transistor you added.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
R1 and R2 seem very similar in function at first, but in reality, their function is very different. While R1 is providing a maximum base current for Q1 that ZD1 could "steal away" if the output voltage (+0,7V BE voltage of Q1) is too high, effectively steer Q1 closed in that event, R2 is providing an "idle current" to the linear regulator circuit. It does nothing to Q2, as it's bypassing BE, not connecting BC.
The collector current of Q2 follows that of Q1 as the collector current through Q1 is the base current through Q2.
add a comment |
You are doing it wrong. If you want to add a power transistor to a linear regulator, it has to be a PNP transistor for a positive regulator, and its base goes to the input. Not the output.
The reason why this is different from a simple Zener circuit is the Zener "steals" the base current from the NPN power transistor in its circuit when the voltage on its terminals is too high. An integrated voltage regulator will not do that. Instead, it "steals" the current on its input when the voltage on the output is too low.
See the following schematic. Q1, R1, ZD1 are a simplistic linear regulator, using a Zener. Q2 is the external power transistor you added.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
R1 and R2 seem very similar in function at first, but in reality, their function is very different. While R1 is providing a maximum base current for Q1 that ZD1 could "steal away" if the output voltage (+0,7V BE voltage of Q1) is too high, effectively steer Q1 closed in that event, R2 is providing an "idle current" to the linear regulator circuit. It does nothing to Q2, as it's bypassing BE, not connecting BC.
The collector current of Q2 follows that of Q1 as the collector current through Q1 is the base current through Q2.
You are doing it wrong. If you want to add a power transistor to a linear regulator, it has to be a PNP transistor for a positive regulator, and its base goes to the input. Not the output.
The reason why this is different from a simple Zener circuit is the Zener "steals" the base current from the NPN power transistor in its circuit when the voltage on its terminals is too high. An integrated voltage regulator will not do that. Instead, it "steals" the current on its input when the voltage on the output is too low.
See the following schematic. Q1, R1, ZD1 are a simplistic linear regulator, using a Zener. Q2 is the external power transistor you added.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
R1 and R2 seem very similar in function at first, but in reality, their function is very different. While R1 is providing a maximum base current for Q1 that ZD1 could "steal away" if the output voltage (+0,7V BE voltage of Q1) is too high, effectively steer Q1 closed in that event, R2 is providing an "idle current" to the linear regulator circuit. It does nothing to Q2, as it's bypassing BE, not connecting BC.
The collector current of Q2 follows that of Q1 as the collector current through Q1 is the base current through Q2.
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The schematic you show is using the 7805 simply as a base drive for the TIP142 operating in Emitter follower mode. As pointed out already this is NOT what you want.
You want a Current Amplifier to relieve the load on the 7805 or provide extra load current capability.
Typically these circuits are arranged as follows:
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
Things to note:
- R1 and R2 are actually handling most of the power dissipation in this example.
- The 7805 is operated with lower headroom (only 1V above the 2V minimum.
- It is essential there is a minimum load (5mA) and this is provided by R3.
- D1 provides protection for the 7805 if the input is lost and the output is still high.
add a comment |
The schematic you show is using the 7805 simply as a base drive for the TIP142 operating in Emitter follower mode. As pointed out already this is NOT what you want.
You want a Current Amplifier to relieve the load on the 7805 or provide extra load current capability.
Typically these circuits are arranged as follows:
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
Things to note:
- R1 and R2 are actually handling most of the power dissipation in this example.
- The 7805 is operated with lower headroom (only 1V above the 2V minimum.
- It is essential there is a minimum load (5mA) and this is provided by R3.
- D1 provides protection for the 7805 if the input is lost and the output is still high.
add a comment |
The schematic you show is using the 7805 simply as a base drive for the TIP142 operating in Emitter follower mode. As pointed out already this is NOT what you want.
You want a Current Amplifier to relieve the load on the 7805 or provide extra load current capability.
Typically these circuits are arranged as follows:
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
Things to note:
- R1 and R2 are actually handling most of the power dissipation in this example.
- The 7805 is operated with lower headroom (only 1V above the 2V minimum.
- It is essential there is a minimum load (5mA) and this is provided by R3.
- D1 provides protection for the 7805 if the input is lost and the output is still high.
The schematic you show is using the 7805 simply as a base drive for the TIP142 operating in Emitter follower mode. As pointed out already this is NOT what you want.
You want a Current Amplifier to relieve the load on the 7805 or provide extra load current capability.
Typically these circuits are arranged as follows:
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
Things to note:
- R1 and R2 are actually handling most of the power dissipation in this example.
- The 7805 is operated with lower headroom (only 1V above the 2V minimum.
- It is essential there is a minimum load (5mA) and this is provided by R3.
- D1 provides protection for the 7805 if the input is lost and the output is still high.
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Moving the base of the Darlington TIP 142 to the input of U1 is needed.
The next step is to choose a series power resistor to feed U1 input while Vbe becomes active by the drop voltage just before U1 max current or gets too hot.
Vbe=3.0V max @ Ic=10A , Vce=4V
- Vce(sat)=2.0V (Ic = 5.0 A, Ib = 10 mA)
- Vce(sat)= 3.0V (Ib = 10 A, Ib = 40 mA)
Can you compute Rb now say for U1 out= 0.5A and Q1 out = 5 or 10A knowing Ib?
Since your input V is 12V or 7V above your 5V output the power dissipation is more than your load power.
Using a PNP single power transistor reduces the voltage and power dissipation in the base resistor but does not significantly reduce the overall 7V x 5A = 35 watt loss in this inefficient linear regulator yet its does dissipate 0.5A*Vbe=1.6V@ Ic=6A. ( see fig 5 in ON Spec. )
add a comment |
Moving the base of the Darlington TIP 142 to the input of U1 is needed.
The next step is to choose a series power resistor to feed U1 input while Vbe becomes active by the drop voltage just before U1 max current or gets too hot.
Vbe=3.0V max @ Ic=10A , Vce=4V
- Vce(sat)=2.0V (Ic = 5.0 A, Ib = 10 mA)
- Vce(sat)= 3.0V (Ib = 10 A, Ib = 40 mA)
Can you compute Rb now say for U1 out= 0.5A and Q1 out = 5 or 10A knowing Ib?
Since your input V is 12V or 7V above your 5V output the power dissipation is more than your load power.
Using a PNP single power transistor reduces the voltage and power dissipation in the base resistor but does not significantly reduce the overall 7V x 5A = 35 watt loss in this inefficient linear regulator yet its does dissipate 0.5A*Vbe=1.6V@ Ic=6A. ( see fig 5 in ON Spec. )
add a comment |
Moving the base of the Darlington TIP 142 to the input of U1 is needed.
The next step is to choose a series power resistor to feed U1 input while Vbe becomes active by the drop voltage just before U1 max current or gets too hot.
Vbe=3.0V max @ Ic=10A , Vce=4V
- Vce(sat)=2.0V (Ic = 5.0 A, Ib = 10 mA)
- Vce(sat)= 3.0V (Ib = 10 A, Ib = 40 mA)
Can you compute Rb now say for U1 out= 0.5A and Q1 out = 5 or 10A knowing Ib?
Since your input V is 12V or 7V above your 5V output the power dissipation is more than your load power.
Using a PNP single power transistor reduces the voltage and power dissipation in the base resistor but does not significantly reduce the overall 7V x 5A = 35 watt loss in this inefficient linear regulator yet its does dissipate 0.5A*Vbe=1.6V@ Ic=6A. ( see fig 5 in ON Spec. )
Moving the base of the Darlington TIP 142 to the input of U1 is needed.
The next step is to choose a series power resistor to feed U1 input while Vbe becomes active by the drop voltage just before U1 max current or gets too hot.
Vbe=3.0V max @ Ic=10A , Vce=4V
- Vce(sat)=2.0V (Ic = 5.0 A, Ib = 10 mA)
- Vce(sat)= 3.0V (Ib = 10 A, Ib = 40 mA)
Can you compute Rb now say for U1 out= 0.5A and Q1 out = 5 or 10A knowing Ib?
Since your input V is 12V or 7V above your 5V output the power dissipation is more than your load power.
Using a PNP single power transistor reduces the voltage and power dissipation in the base resistor but does not significantly reduce the overall 7V x 5A = 35 watt loss in this inefficient linear regulator yet its does dissipate 0.5A*Vbe=1.6V@ Ic=6A. ( see fig 5 in ON Spec. )
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